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Shall we start a firerickbarnes.com website

It appears a number one ranking during the season is all we can expect from Rick.  Texas loses in the 2nd round this year.  Great talent and they look clueless.  Time for a change?  I don't know enough about why Texas is loosing but the coaching seems too lost.  Why didn't they get Bradley open to shoot and why couldnt Pitmann find an open player to throw out to when triple covered.  Why?




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4th and 5.

by BMC237 on Feb 8, 2010 10:44 PM CST reply actions  

As you can see, I doubt this thread will go very far. We're not there yet.

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by spinmonkey on Feb 8, 2010 10:56 PM CST reply actions  

NEVER!!!

come on what was Texas basketball before Rick came here? remember when we all wanted to fire Mack Brown because he lost like 5? straight to Zero U. The team is in a slump and College basketball is all about the Tournament!. How many sweet 16 have we made under Rick?

by j64_tizzle on Feb 8, 2010 11:02 PM CST reply actions  

No.

fail. Who would come to Austin after you fire Rick Barnes?

by Hobbes881 on Feb 8, 2010 11:31 PM CST reply actions  

Yes!

I just wanted to be different.

3/19/2009 & 12/15/2009 - Games Where Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.

by burrito on Feb 9, 2010 12:24 AM CST reply actions  

What exactly is Texas loosing?

"Texas played without its best player for nearly 56 minutes. There's an asterisk." -- Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com

by Hopkins Horn on Feb 9, 2010 12:44 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Not No but Hell No!!!

With that said I would not mind seeing Rick get himself a very good offensive minded assistant. As far as recruting, defense (most of the time) and building a program he has done a awesome job! Texas basketball under Rick has done things I never thought I would see in my lifetime. I am as down and disapointed with this team right now as anyone. All in all though I am atleast glad I have such high expectations. For the record I still think this team can and will get this thing turned around. Really who in their right mind would want to play us come March?

by IbleedBurntorange on Feb 9, 2010 12:46 AM CST reply actions  

This year is starting to look alot like Abe Lemon's final year

He opened the ‘81-’82 season with a 14-0 record and the Longhorn’s highest (#4) ranking ever….8 days after the season he was fired by brand new AD Deloss Dodds.

"Hell, No. I'm not going to candy this thing up. These are work clothes." -Darrell Royal

by ClassofEarl on Feb 9, 2010 12:47 AM CST reply actions  

Two words: Bob Weltlich . . .

. . . for those who want to fire a very successful coach after a poor seven-game stretch.

"Texas played without its best player for nearly 56 minutes. There's an asterisk." -- Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com

by Hopkins Horn on Feb 9, 2010 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Two more words: Mike Wacker

Lemons lost Wacker for the year, tantamount to losing Dexter Pittman or more like losing Damion James in terms of ability, then went into a public funk and threw in the towel as the team tanked the rest of the way. It was not that he lost, it was the way he lost. It was a controversial but necessary move by Dodds that began a string of bad hires including Weltlich and Tom Penders in basketball along with David McWilliams and John Mackovic in football. Lemons was immensely popular and funny, Dodds was not.

"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 9, 2010 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Firing Barnes would be incredibly stupid.

Yeah, it’s kinda weird that our basketball fans are acting like they’re Kentucky, Indiana, or UCLA fans, as if we have that kinda pedigree, but it’s pretty childish to want to get rid of a guy that is the reason why UT is now among the upper echelon of college basketball teams, talent producers, and tournament performers.

On another note, there’s no way Penders could be classified as a bad hire at UT. The dude brought ‘em back from the dead, went to the Sweet 16 almost every year, and recruited solidly during the same years as Arkansas’ great teams, among others. Just because he went a little arrogant & crazy his last year (the original Mike Leach), doesn’t mean he didn’t do the program wonders. One of the few ‘yankees’ I’ve ever liked.

by robthecob on Feb 9, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a bad hire

But you’re exaggerating his accomplishments. He was a slightly above average coach. A good get to get out us out of the Dark Ages, but a truly limited coach in the way we hear some people try to talk about Rick Barnes right now, as in, “Should we aim to do better?”

With Barnes the answer is no. With Penders, it was clearly yes, even before his Axtell issues.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Feb 10, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

You're comparing

two different eras. Penders coached during the slow demise of the SWC which was probably equivalent to the A-10 in hoops while he was there. Barnes is coaching during the golden age of Texas athletics when the Texas brand has probably never burned brighter.

If Penders had coached in the prime of his career (85-95) with the resources and support Texas basketball has now in a conference like the Big XII, I firmly believe his accomplishments would be similar to Barnes.

by DoubleB on Feb 10, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

you mean Bob Butlich?

don’t you?

"Hell, No. I'm not going to candy this thing up. These are work clothes." -Darrell Royal

by ClassofEarl on Feb 9, 2010 12:50 AM CST reply actions  

Was that a reply to me?

If so, I did mean Bob Weltlich — the coach who led us into the wastelands of mediocrity after Lemons was canned.

"Texas played without its best player for nearly 56 minutes. There's an asterisk." -- Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com

by Hopkins Horn on Feb 9, 2010 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah, I get it now . . .

"Texas played without its best player for nearly 56 minutes. There's an asterisk." -- Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com

by Hopkins Horn on Feb 9, 2010 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Not in the slightest

What should be started is a “HireBarnesanOC” site

TEXAS FIGHT

by Darklust on Feb 9, 2010 12:51 AM CST reply actions  

Can we start a BanJrusso72.com website?

"Texas played without its best player for nearly 56 minutes. There's an asterisk." -- Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com

by Hopkins Horn on Feb 9, 2010 12:57 AM CST reply actions  

new proposal

www.jordanhamiltonshouldpasstheball.com or www.votetoremovefreethrowsfromcollegebasketball.com

i think both of these causes would serve us better than firing our esteemed Rick Barnes. Proud of the 2nd half effort tonight, got in a hole early but didn’t give up.

by Lothor on Feb 9, 2010 2:41 AM CST reply actions  

Thank you Lothor!

That gave me a good laugh this morning. Couldn’t of said it any better myself.

The next up and coming Longhorns QB!

by HornsRiverine on Feb 9, 2010 7:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Your links don't work

I was going to sign the petition.
Watching Kansas run their offense was a thing of beauty. Only if Barnes can copy some of the plays. We just need to be more active without the ball.

by seattlehorn on Feb 9, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Crazy

It’s the same answer I gave to those that wanted to fire Mack. Who are you going to replace them with? Be careful what you wish for. I’m 32 years old. The first 20 years of my life Texas was not very good at football or basketball. Each team had some good years but nothing like the excellence we enjoy now. So I am not interested in changing anything.

"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."

by SoonerSlayer on Feb 9, 2010 7:05 AM CST reply actions  

Do Not Fire Rick Barnes

Is it possible he has become a victim of his own success? Insane fan base expectations aside, Coach Barnes has to deal with a team of players who almost all have (realistic) NBA aspirations and have been treated like superstars since junior high age (or younger). That is a lot of egotistical/talented youngsters gathered together in cooler-than-thou, act-like-you’ve-been-here-before Austin for Coach Barnes to coalesce into a team. I am not excusing what appears to be questionable coaching decisions at times and his apparent lack of ability to motivate his charges when necessary; I am saying that being an amazingly successful recruiter for arguably the highest profile sports university in the nation equals really super-hard difficult job where anything less than an undefeated national championship team every single year is perceived as sucking. Would y’all rather we hire a lesser coach so we could all mellow out and lower our expectations?

Free Throw? Right On!

by bfaut86 on Feb 9, 2010 7:52 AM CST reply actions  

Bad idea

I say it’s the Drum. Tear it down!

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Feb 9, 2010 8:05 AM CST reply actions  

No.

I think going to #1 set the bar way too high too early.

by longhorn1997 on Feb 9, 2010 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

2nd round

NIT bound and 1 and done maybe.

by Longhorns84 on Feb 9, 2010 8:28 AM CST reply actions  

Wonderful suggestion

I don’t know enough about why Texas is loosing.

This is a good start. We all know exactly where we stand. Now I think I’ll go watch Oprah.

"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 9, 2010 9:06 AM CST reply actions  

It was a question, not a statement

I’m surprised that asking a question about looking at the leadership of the program brought such harsh sentiments. I admittedly no less about basketball then 99% of the writers on this blog. The reason I posed the question is there have been so many improvements funded for the program along with him bringing in marquee players each year makes me wonder why we are losing. (Losing to KU is understandable – but not to BU, OU, and an unranked UConn) Clearly, making a change at the top of the program seems to be against the sentiments of everyone. But with mostly conclusionary answers, I still don’t have an idea why the heat shouldn’t be on Rick. The comparison’s to Mack are interesting. Remember, Mack fired his defensive coordinator and brought in Robinson and Toomey that he admittedly learned from. Can you do something like that in basketball? One previous writer mentioned a offense coach. My final thought: why has Calipari been so successful in one year at Kansas with an equivalent recruiting class and fewer leftovers?

by Jrusso72 on Feb 9, 2010 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

I'm assuming you meant Kentucky...

and there are several reasons why. He has 4 potential top 15 picks, in this year’s draft, two of which are point guards, and another being one of the best centers in the country. We all know how important PG’s are in college, and he has two of the best.
Also, he’s playing in the SEC, which is no where near as good or deep as the Big12 this year.

by hayzer13 on Feb 9, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

You are correct I meant Kentucky

Thoughtful analysis. Any thoughts on why we can’t get Brown or Lucas to step up their game? Or, why Hamilton is not progressing(OSU excluded)?

by Jrusso72 on Feb 9, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

To be fair

the title ‘Shall we start a firerickbarnes.com website’ seems to imply starting a movement to remove Barnes. We’ve experienced times much worse than those we’re experiencing with Rick Barnes right now. We’ve been in one final 4, two elite 8’s and two sweet 16’s in the last eight years. The current team is 19-5 without a true point guard or a center that isn’t still a ‘project’.

Abe Lemons once began his weekly tv show by rising out of a casket dressed in black holding a flower and proclaiming ’We’re not dead yet’ after a conference loss that seemingly made the title hopeless. Texas went on to share the conference title with Arkansas that year. Not saying that will happen this year, the weaknesses at point and center are glaring. Barnes may have to coin another Lemons adage, “Doctors bury their mistakes, but mine are still on scholarship.”

"If worms carried pistols, birds wouldn't eat 'em"- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 9, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

NO!

Vince Young = Greatness

by PineypointG on Feb 9, 2010 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

No.

The fact that there are this many fans in full meltdown mode because of a ranked Texas is a testament to what Rick Barnes has done.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Feb 9, 2010 12:51 PM CST reply actions  

Good to see that rationality is still “optional”.

by GoHorns on Feb 9, 2010 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

Let me see if I can explain

Around BON land, we have a lot of folks who were previously high on football team and then crushed by the Rose Bowl loss. So they moved over to basketball to get their fix. And now they are crashing and starting to go into withdrawal.

All I can say is hang in there, guys, baseball is almost here.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Feb 9, 2010 6:40 PM CST reply actions  

Jrusso72, we should definitely

not fire Rick Barnes. But let me give you 2 recommendations:

1. Buy the domain name and keep it in a drawer. It’s a good business decision.

2. Make a list of names of all the previous posters on this thread for future use…trust me.

by kellen on Feb 9, 2010 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

future use

such a list won’t be useful other than to say we were right because the Horns will never win a championship under coach Barnes.

Rick Barnes Sucks

My blogs and sites:
http://barnessucks.blogspot.com

by BigDD on Feb 10, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

We've won three conference titles under Barnes

Now go away. Post on your site. Leave the grown ups alone.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Feb 10, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

3 conf titles with that kind of talent?

How many big 12 tournaments did the horns win under barnes? Let me help you none. And oh, yeah, he got them to the second round when he had DJ Augustine and Kevin Durant… Barnes is like 18-16 lifetime. oh well, he Rick Barnes Sucks. We all know that.

My blogs and sites:
http://barnessucks.blogspot.com

by BigDD on Feb 14, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

We all know that.

i don’t think you know what that means.

by vy til i die on Feb 15, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell NO!!

Thats crazy talk. We’re lucky to have Barnes!

by LonghornForLife on Feb 10, 2010 1:10 AM CST reply actions  

LonghornForLife

IT is the other teams in the big 12 that are luck we have Barnes.
Rick Barnes Sucks

My blogs and sites:
http://barnessucks.blogspot.com

by BigDD on Feb 10, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Have fun on your playground

"Texas played without its best player for nearly 56 minutes. There's an asterisk." -- Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com

by Hopkins Horn on Feb 10, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I, for one

am glad you’ve found another home.

by hayzer13 on Feb 10, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

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