Spring Football Nuggets from the Texas Coordinators
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Mar 23, 2010 7:00 AM CDT
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PrintSpring practice may mostly be closed off to the public and a sign that football season is still off over the horizon, but the press conferences by the coaching staff contain more useful information than the weekly press conferences during the season when the great majority of what is worth talking about and evaluating happens on the field on Saturday.
Greg Davis and Will Muschamp both spoke with the media on Monday and had some revealing things to say about the current state of the team.
Offense
- Michael Huey has moved from the right side to the left side to pair with Kyle Hix, who is currently playing left tackle.
- Greg Smith is cross-training at H-back and Barrett Matthews is working at tight end to increase flexibility and prepare for any injuries that may occur.
- In 11 personnel, it looks like James Kirkendoll is the starting flanker, Malcolm Williams the split end, and John Chiles inside at slot receiver, a change from last season when he mostly worked at flanker.
- Davis says that the two running backs who have separated themselves are Tre' Newton and Fozzy Whittaker because they give the offense the most flexibility -- Davis says both can pick up the blitz (probably more questionable for Whittaker than Newton) and can also split out as wide receivers. Considering his penchant for wanting to bounce everything outside and a desire at times to avoid hits, it's remarkable that Whittaker has separated from most of the other running backs and it probably speaks to a greater desire to work between the tackles in what has become a downhill running scheme for the Longhorns.
- Playing running backs with the ability to pick up the blitz and split out wide is important for the Longhorns as they seek to be truly multiple offensively -- able to switch between using an H-back or fullback and then still be able to spread the field by flexing out the running back or H-back/fullback without changing personnel.
- There is no separation currently between Connor Wood and Sherrod Harris. Davis mentioned Case McCoy in that mix as well, but it was clear from watching the open practices that the youngest McCoy simply doesn't have the arm strength and ability to throw the football downfield or any type of out pattern to the sidelines at depth. The lack of separation probably says more about Harris than it does about Wood being exceptionally mature for a kid who should still in high school, although Wood does spin the football nicely and has a quick release, something that hasn't always been the case with him.
- David says that Garrett Gilbert is still working on his "synergy" with the wide receivers, but apparently the criteria is the McCoy/Shipley mindmeld, so the standard is high at Texas.
- The offensive line is adopting a much more nasty attitude as they continue to work almost exclusively downhill -- music to these ears.
Defense
- Coach Boom mentioned Kenny Vaccaro, Tevin Mims, and Alex Okafor as players who have not played a lot yet in their careers but have stood out during spring practice so far.
- The defense, particularly the defensive line, is working on cross-training at the moment, with Tevin Mims, Tyrell Higgins, Kheeston Randall, and Sam Acho all mentioned as guys along the line who are working at different positions. Acho is currently the starting three tech next to Randall as a zero/one tech, partly to challenge to younger players like Calvin Howell and Derek Johnson to step up their respective games, but also because Muschamp flat-out wants to put the best players on the field with an emphasis on speed and is willing to sacrifice some size to do so. Mims is likely working at defensive end in both the 4-3 and 3-4 alignments and probably at three tech as well, while Higgins works as a three tech and defensive end in the 3-4. Randall is seeing time as a three tech and nose tackle.
- The depth chart looks pretty shaky at linebacker without Emmanuel Acho and Jared Norton, but Muschamp says that he is confident about the depth at the position even without Jordan Hicks, Tevin Jackson, and Aaron Benson on campus yet, but is surely factoring the younger Acho and Norton into his current confidence level. Boom mentioned Tariq Allen and Patrick Nwkopara as two players who need to elevate their games this spring.
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Finally some news about Texas football have been found floating adrift in a Burnt Orange Sea of the abysmal end to the Texas Basketball season. Thank you GoBR.
On a side note, its heart-warming to hear news of the Mythical Fozzy Creature making progress as more of a downhill runner, and also making strides in blitz pick-up. I’ve heard nothing but great things out of what John Chiles has done this Spring at the slot, and its great to hear he’s making large strides compared to the end of last year. Then again, all we hear is how great Malcolm Williams has done in practice, yet not really seeing it consistently on Fall Saturdays.
After watching the Army All America Bowl, I have alot of high hopes for Connor Wood, replenishing what was lost at the beginning of his Senior year in my opinion. I know alot of that was attributed to the fact that he faced much stiffer competition in his non-con schedule, I was very hesitant about his ability to be a playmaking QB in the Big 12. The jury is still out, and hopefully we have a few more years until we get to find out his capabilities, but at least he is on the right track.
On the word “Synergy”: I’m going to pistol whip the next person who says it. I’ve been to 3 separate seminars for work about creating “synergy” in the emergency field (something that is nearly impossible to do) and I’ve realized that I will never get those 3 days back from my life.
I digress…
On the D: I’ve always thought that Okafor will be a beast since Muschamp was raving in Fall practice about his ability, and the likely-hood of him seeing the field as a freshman. Fast-forward 9 months and 14 games later, and WOW. We have a true playmaker at the Buck position for the 3rd year in a row, and I couldn’t be happier with how Muschamp has made this position so desirable for recruits as a closing point to come to Texas. Who wouldn’t want an automatic 1st round draft projection after playing 2-4 years under Boom?
Secondly, we all know about Kenny Viccaro’ s mean streak on and off the field. I’m hoping he can channel that aggression a la Westbrook and have it pay dividends on the field on Saturdays. I’m not sure this is the Year of the Kenny at Safety, but next year and the year after looks great. If he can stay out of Gregory Gymnasium.
Thanks for the crack-fix GoBR, and yes, the O-Line becoming cut-throat-baby-eaters just makes my day.
Hook em!
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground.
"synergy" is yet another of those ridiculous throwaway terms in the business field
But it impresses some people. Other tricks to impressing people who majored in business:
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
i sent it to my boss, he told me he’d ping me back about it, i’m scared.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Ehhh
Hard to call Colt’s injury against A&M freshman year as embarassing. Maybe embarrassing because he came back from injury to early?
On the word "Synergy": I’m going to pistol whip the next person who says it. I’ve been to 3 separate seminars for work about creating "synergy" in the emergency field (something that is nearly impossible to do) and I’ve realized that I will never get those 3 days back from my life.
I swear to God I’m going to pistol whip the next guy who says “Shenanigans”.
Ya know
you kinda look like Farva. Without the stache.
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground.
Who wants a moustache ride?
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
License and Registration, Chicken Fucker!
Bockaaack!
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground.
Big Uglies
ESPN mentions the new attitude as well. But as you say in your comment on Malcolm – I’ll believe it when I see it on a Saturday. Preferably the RRS Saturday. And every one thereafter.
Still a Blaine Irby fan
by patienthornsfan on Mar 23, 2010 8:09 AM CDT reply actions
that’s awesome, I’m glad to hear about Tevin Mims, I was hesitant about him when we offered. while he was blowing up mid-way through his senior year, I always worry about the guys we never initially knew about, and was hoping he wasn’t a warm bodied reach.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions
Awesome!
My first hit in while! Any football talk is good football talk. I’m so excited about Okafor, and the D as a whole. I’m hoping he can get at least 7-9 sacks and be a disruptive force in the backfield this year. I’m a little concerned about safety after losing Earl, but I’m sure someone will step up. I’m still not sold on Gideon, hopefully Scott can supplant him.
Vince Young = Greatness
What else does Gideon have to do?
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
be a little faster, hit a little harder. he’s not exactly known as a hard hitter, but a sure tackler. he’s not known as a speed demon but his instincts have him making plays on the ball all the time.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Give Gideon a break
The kids has been an above average starter in the Big 12 for two years against some of the most prolific offenses in the NCAA. He’s a good kid who keeps his nose clean and he’s a decent play maker. Does he need to get a tan or grow dreads?
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Etch..
totally unnecessary pseudo racist comment. I didn’t hear too many people dumping on McCoy or Shipley the last two years. They didnt have a “tan” or have dreads. I’m talking about his play on the football field, nothing more nothing less. We don’t know these kids personally and its useless to make character judgments good or bad concerning them. I’m talking strictly about his football playing ability and I think that we could do better at the position.
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by PineypointG on Mar 23, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Lots of people have specifically pointed out that Gideon is a white boy playing defensive back
If you haven’t noticed it, I don’t know what to say. What Etch was pointing out was the racial element that has been involved.
As for whether Texas could do better, it’s doubtful that there’s going to be much improvement over a two-year starter at the position who was honorable mention all-conference as a true sophomore.
Get real.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Take your own advice.
You get real. I actually haven’t noticed anyone pointing out that he is a “white boy” playing defensive back. What in the hell does that have to do with anything?? I could care less what race he is. I think that’s the case for most if not all on this site. You are free to disagree with my take on his performance, it’s just one man’s opinion. But to bring the racial element into the conversation is inexcusable and chicken**** on Etch’s part, and for you to back him up is even worse.
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by PineypointG on Mar 23, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously, you've never seen it?
Need an example? And that’s just one obvious example. There are others, as well as some somewhat veiled statements to the same effect.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
To your point..
I’m not saying that those sentiments don’t or didn’t exist. And it is sad that in 2010 we can’t get past that. However, I am saying that my statements concerning Blake Gideon are purely based on what he does and does not do on the football field.
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by PineypointG on Mar 23, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
He's also not slow and unathletic
But just as with Shipley, those labels are attributed to him incorrectly all the time. Do you recall much criticism of, say, Greg Brown’s athleticism?
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said that he was.
My premise is simply based upon upgrading. I’m not saying he isn’t a good player, but I’m sure that you wouldn’t label him as elite? If Scott can prove himself to be the elite player that he was supposed to be, what is wrong with wanting an upgrade at the position??
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by PineypointG on Mar 23, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Who else do you have starting back there then?
Brewster? He couldn’t beat out Gideon! Vaccaro? He hasn’t been tested back there yet. My point is not to say you are racist by any means but rather to show you that you are unfairly dumping on Gideon.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
I didnt dump on him.
I said I wasnt sold on him. That’s a far cry from dumping.
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by PineypointG on Mar 23, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You want to place a player that hasn't
been able to beat him out in two years in as a starter over him! That is dumping on him.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
christian scott was ineligible last year.. and may just have gotten the start alongside thomas. so far scott is the #1 safety and gideon isn’t though itlooks like theylll both be on the field this year.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 1:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Scott is a student-athlete
If you don’t do the job in the classroom that will affect your ability to contribute on Saturdays. Whether he would have been able to supplant Gideon if he had been eligible is a negligible argument because it is pure speculation. He didn’t take care of everything that was required of him being a Longhorn in order to be a starter.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
whatever, I’m not getting into the grades situation, I’m talking who is the better football player. and we’ll find out this year, I think Christian Scott will be the better safety. just because Gideon started for 2 years doesn’t mean he can’t be a better athlete. scott derry says heyyyyyyyyyy.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
haha on Scott Derry
However, the point is that grades are relative to a players ability to play. This is not the NFL so it factors in. I think Christian Scott may be the better athlete but I have no proof to say he is the better safety.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
no definitely, i agree. and there is a little bit of the “he’s a whiteboy in the backfield” mentality amongst most everyone, whether they think they’re racist or not. but it’s been a knock on him since day 1, and I’ve seen a few very athletic plays out of him, but alot of times I’d see him closing on the WR and he’d be 2-3 steps out of position, and sometimes it’s hard to tell whether it’s because he was late reacting to the play or if it’s his speed, and considering he’s been known as, from the beginning an extremely cerebral player moreso than an athlete I typically assume it’s not his instincts to get to the ball that are slowing him down.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe i'm being naive..
but I really dont think his race has anything to do with how people feel about Gideon. Im sure “The Drop” has was more to do with it than his race. Maybe even what the RB from Kansas did to him, but his race? I think thats being over played here.
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Maybe not to you...
But the reality is, like someone else said, white players get categorized with other white players that played the same position. It’s never about their talent level.
Any white player that plays like Ronnie Lott will instead be compared to John Lynch. And any great white receiver will be compared to Don Beebe and other white receivers. Regardless of their skill, the skin color has to be a parallel for any and all comparisons*.
*note, this is not my view, just the overwhelming majority of comparisons with white players that play positions that are predominantly black players.
reply fail
That was meant to be a reply to PineypointG regarding race.
What makes you think Scott is better?
He could be, but what evidence has there been to support the position that he is better?
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
whats going on with gideon this spring? doesn’t sound like he’s been at any of the practices. but i also didn’t see anything about him injured. scott is getting absolutely glowing reviews at safety and I haven’t heard a peep about Gideon.
notice the “I think” part of my assertions, not “scott is better”. hopefully he’ll be more eric berry than taylor mays. and gideon is going to be our safety net.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
notice the "I think" part of my assertions, not "scott is better". hopefully he’ll be more eric berry than taylor mays. and gideon is going to be our safety net.
I get that, but what I wanted to know was what evidence there has been to support the position (specifically your position) that Scott is better.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
his greatest knock has always been the playbook, he’s been in the program for 3 years and is starting to excel, and I wish I could find the practice reports from last year. he’s physically superior to Gideon (prove it!) and can be the head hunter we’ve been looking for in the secondary. Gideon is the more accomplished player, but I think Scott outshines him this year.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's looking for a headhunter?
As I pointed out earlier, being a hard hitter isn’t as important as a lot of other characteristics in which Gideon is superior.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
we’ll see this year. I bet you $1 e-dollar Scott is the better safety for us and becomes the higher profile player. a head hunting safety can bring just as much to the table as a sure tackler. gideon’s instincts have kept him on the field, once scott gets the game mentally the sky is the limit.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
he must, I just haven’t heard anything about it.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
He wasn't listed as a starter before the academic ineligibility announcement
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
gideon and thomas were entrenched at starter, we have no idea how Scott had progressed except for his spring practice reports, which were good and many believed he and Thomas could start now that Thomas was reading the defense so well.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay then...
…he also wasn’t listed as a starter in 2008.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
he’s never been a starter, I get it, doesn’t mean he couldn’t have been.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right
Had Gideon not gone to UT, Scott very well could have had a shot at starting by now.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
uh, right. that was the point i was making.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 24, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
The Depth Chart had Scott and Thomas starting at safety..
That was until Scott became academically ineligible. I think our top 2 safeties talent wise are Vacarro and Scott. Now, whether they can play up to their potential on the field is yet to be seen. Tackling wise, Gideon and Brewster are way behind those guys.
Elite? No, Gideon's not elite
But no one except Earl Thomas was elite in the Texas backfield in 2009. Yes, I said it: Aaron Williams was not elite in 2009. He is an elite talent, and showed inconsistently that he can play at an elite level, but he did not have the kind of season that could be described as elite.
Christian Scott has never played better football than Blake Gideon has.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I am saying that your sentiments are severely misguided
Blake Gideon is not slow and he is not unathletic. Is he the most athletic and fastest player we have had back there? No. However, to just call him slow an unathletic and say he is not capable of playing back there is ridiculous.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
When did I say say he was slow and unathletic??
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by PineypointG on Mar 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That was directed at Displaced
Sorry I got worked up and lumped you in with him on that one.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Others have in this thread
And I believe they were those toward whom Etch directed his comments.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
he doesn’t make tackles on his own and he doesn’t have great speed…. he has great instincts and takes great angles. how is saying he could get faster and hit harder inaccurate?
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 1:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Its not inaccurate
However, he has shown with his current physical gifts he is a capable player. ET can get faster too. Everyone can get faster. My point is that whatever current limitations you think he has certainly hasn’t impacted his ability to be a great player for us.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
That is just an asinine statement on your part
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Not anymore..
asinine than your “tan” and “dreads” comment.
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by PineypointG on Mar 23, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
No sir
All you are trumping for starting defensive backfield positions are african american players. I’m for the best player playing. I want to win. Gideon has shown himself to be the better player even over the likes of Christian Scott. On what grounds do you describe Scott as an elite player then and Gideon not as one?
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Ok, youre fighting a whole differnt battle here.
Just like I don’t give a crapt that Gideon is white, it matters not that Scott is African American. You introduced race into the conversation. I didn’t say Scott was elite, he hasn’t played enough to be classified as anything. I said Scott has the potential to be elite, a and if he can show that potential then I would like for him to play ahead of Gideon. If he doesn’t show the potential then I am fine with Gideon..
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by PineypointG on Mar 23, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, you introduced race
He just mentioned a slight that has been ongoing from Gideon’s first snap as a player. This racism thing you are playing is just doing a disservice to your own argument against racism.
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Reference "Tan" and "Dreads" above
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by PineypointG on Mar 23, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
White people don't get tan or have dreads?
news to me
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Perfect debate ending post.
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by PineypointG on Mar 23, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Please use your brain guy
You are saying the exact same thing as Etch! There is no difference in what you two are saying.
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually..
Etch is saying that if Gideon was black that I would view his playing ability differently. I am saying that I could care less what race he is I would still like an upgrade at the position, if possible.
Vince Young = Greatness
An upgrade over a two-year starter at the position
Good luck.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Etch wondered if it would take Gideon being tan and dreaded for him to receive the credibility he has earned. You just started buzzing about race because you don’t know when someone is being racist.
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
That being said...
I think it would actually be awesome if Gideon showed up this year tan and dreaded.
Wouldn’t hurt his rap career either… :)
I kid… I kid…
Are you this blind?
Dude, you said hopefully Scott can supplant Gideon. Why? I hope Scott comes along and does well and can gain a starting position but he has only shown glimpses of athleticism and hitting ability. Why would you hope a guy who has not been able to secure a starting position in two years would supplant a two year starter who was 8th in the nation in interceptions? That just makes no sense.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Simple
If Scott supplants Gideon that would mean that Scott proved himself to be a better player. (Are you following) If Scott is a better player, then UT is a better football team. If UT is a better football team then we have a better chance at the MNC. Get it?
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And if Scott doesn't supplant Gideon, it means Gideon's the better player.
And if Gideon’s the better player, then UT is a better football team. If UT is a better football team, UT has a better chance at the national title. Get it?
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually not.
Gideon is already the starter so if he is better than Scott, nothing will change. The talent level will stay the same. The team will not be better or worse. Staying stagnant at the position will actually represent the status quo.
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Unless he doesn't improve, that's incorrect
Seldom does a two-year starter not continue to progress in a third season of starting.
The situation is that either Scott (or another person whom Gideon beat out squarely the past two seasons) improves a lot more than Gideon and takes over, but it’s also possible that Gideon improves enough to hold off any such improvement by another player. The latter, considering Gideon’s the incumbent, is actually a lot more likely.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
burntorangehorn said it quite well
but how on earth do you come to this conclusion? Is it automatic that Gideon stays the same player he was last year? Did you not see improvement from his freshman year to soph year?
His freshman year he made a few mistakes, one of which being on the biggest stage any freshman could imagine.
His soph year he was NATIONALLY ranked in interceptions.
Why are you so down on Gideon when he’s made marked improvement from his 1st and 2nd year? He’s more than earned his right to be the starter.
He's down on him
because he has a double digit number. He would look so much faster in a single digit. Haha.
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-Walter Payton
You lost
It’s time to let your argument go
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Please don't start this "racist accusations" crap.
Unless CoachEtch is black, it wasn’t a racist comment at all. It was more derogatory against whites, if anything. Pull your soapbox outta the gutter.
Its not a pseduo racist comment
It is actually a sociological sports phenomonen which the name of escapse me at the time. However, the premise of it is that players are placed in certain positions based off of their skin color. That is why it took so long to see black quarterbacks. Sadly, the same thing happens today. When you see a white receiver or a white defensive back it is assumed that he is either not as athletic of not as fast. My argument stems from the fact that I think Gideon is fast enough and athletic enough to be a good defensive back and his playing resume thus far is evidence for my assertion.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Gehart (guy from Stanford) being a “traditional back” and pretty much only compared to every other white back over the last 30 years.
Shipley being a possession reciever and the next Wes Welker.
I happens frequently.
That's another thing
People make comparisons, but they never make cross-racial comparisons. JaMarcus Russell was a lot more like Ben Roethlisberger than like Steve McNair or someone like that, yet the comparisons to Roethlisberger were few and far between. Heck, I still know a lot of people who think Byron Leftwich is a mobile quarterback.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe the hidden nomenclature used with Shipley was
if anyone said he had ‘deceptive speed’
They always say that about Caucasian wide receivers, but never about Black wide receivers.
It was something announcers would say about Shipley before they realized he was just freaking awesome, and not just another good wide receiver.
They also used to say the same thing about Chad Schroeder when he played for A&M, and he ran a 4.4 before breakling his leg.
My complaint would be that he's always at the ball...
…albeit a few tics too late. If he made it to the ball a bit earlier, he’d be making a lot more big-time plays.
I think Gideon's problem is that he thinks too much, which makes him take longer to get there
I’ve got my money on him having his year this year. He’s needed more time to develop than Thomas did, but if he improves this year as much as he did last year… we’ll be very happy to have him in the backfield.
thinks too much cause he’s white, and black’s dont think as much. dat’s racist!
i actually think he reads the offense and is in the vicinity based on his ability to think and predict rather than his athletic gifts.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
This reminds me of the Major vs. Simms time
They were both being interviewed, and they talked about how the two of them could make the exact same throw, yet the announcers would say that it was a great read by Major, or a laserbeam by Simms.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, did ET develop faster? ET just finished his 3rd year in the program, 1 redshirting. Gideon is just finishing his 2nd. He did not have the benefit of a redshirt year. And make no mistake, there is still a lot of serious physical and mental development going on from 18-19, 19-20, and 20-21.
If Gideon had redshirted his freshman year and stepped in and had the same last year, we’d be talking about how stacked we are with such an awesome freshman who we’d be worried about losing after their RS-Soph year.
I'm not sure I'd be terribly worried about an early entry into the NFL by Gideon...
…but yeah, I think we’d all be pretty thrilled with his play.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Hitting harder?
Hard-hitting is one of the most overrated characteristics in defensive backs. Sure tackling is far, far more important than hitting hard, as is anything having to do with coverage, knowing the playbook, etc.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 23, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
safeties… the only position where we hug you to the ground.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously...
Gideon has been solid back there and all he gets is dumped on. No, he hasn’t been perfect. Name someone who has. I’ll wait…
btw, that wasn’t directed at you, burntorangehorn. I’m in total agreement with you.
That dropped INT against TTech in '08 sure has a long shelf life.
This kid started, as a true freshman, on the best team in college football in ‘08. He’s plenty talented. Yeah, he’s not Ronnie Lott, Everson Walls, & Lester Hayes all rolled into one DB but he still is a very solid player. He’s always in the right coverage. The dropped INT was a fluke misfortune we’ll always remember but he was atleast in perfect position in coverage to even be there. And defending the fake punt against Alabama more than made up for it as a huge game-changing play. Very smart & athletic player with a ton of experience already. If he & Christian Scott end up being on the field together, we’re gonna have the middle of the field nailed down for the next couple of years.
Everyone seems to over look that fact that he had the 2nd most interceptions on the team this year AND in the conference, only behind Earl. He was tied for 8th in the nation with 6. He makes plenty of plays and gets to the ball.
Can he improve? Of course. He needs to do a better job in run support. Who on our team gets as much hell for equal or greater flaws, and as little praise for good results?
by UT_BKC on Mar 23, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
It’ll be interesting to see how much recognition he gets after Earl’s gone. IMO, he’s been one of the very best in the conference for some time now and a perfect fit for the UT defense. We’re all pretty worried about who’ll man the corners after 2010 but with Gideon, Scott, & Brewster (others?) manning the middle, we’re VERY solid. If we had a good defensive coordinator (an obvious pun), I think he’d be able to figure out how to call a defense. All three of those guys are smart, athletic, fast, have ball skills, and can hit a ton when needed. And I guarantee that Gideon’s gonna be the leader of the DB pack over the next couple of years. He’s a coach’s son and we’ll never have enough of those.
Our defense is going to be crushing this season
I don’t have any doubt. Let’s just pray our offense has a pulse. :)
Couldn't agree more
Especially on the coach’s sons. Usually it is second nature to them on instincts and also on work ethic. You gotta love it. See Colt and Ship.
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-Walter Payton
Talent is big but instincts are just huge for a DB.
I’ve NEVER seen a DB with instincts as good as Earl Thomas. & I’ve seen Jerry Gray, Mossy Cade, Westbrook, Jammer, Huff, Ross, etc… at their primes. He was pretty amazing. When you’d watch replays, he’d have already come out of his backpedal and taken a step in front of the receiver before the receiver had made his cut and the QB had released the ball. OCoordinators should have just stayed away from him. I’d say Gideon is more of a “heady” player, meaning, he just recognizes quickly where he needs to be and gets there early. Didn’t realize it til I just looked it up but he runs a 4.5 forty.
Oh yea man
Earl definitely had the instincts but that comes from watching film, too. He obviously had a great mind for the game and, IMHO, was able to dissect plays quickly based off of formations and route combinations that put him in the position he needed to be in to be successful. I think Gideon is of the same way in that he is well prepared for whats coming in order to get there early or on time.
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Speaking of football porn - Spring Game on TV?
We’re two weeks away, but I haven’t heard anything about the game being picked up by any national carriers. The only thing I’ve read is that Fox Sports Network, the carrier we love to hate, will cover the game. I hope that isn’t so; I enjoyed watching the game last year on ESPN.
MB-TF says its presented by TW cable.
On Fox College Sports, so take that with a grain of salt and the other cable company. I’m sure there will be a online link to it. I’m not going to watch it, but will catch the replay on FSN a few days after that. I’ve got plans on Easter.
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground.
Nueve Uno Randall...doesn't quite have the same ring as Ocho Uno Acho.
Not sure you should write the words “injuries” and “tight end” in the same sentence. Bad karma.
Greg Smith is cross-training at H-back and Barrett Matthews is working at tight end to increase flexibility and prepare for any injuries that may occur.
speaking of which...
Is Irby’s career at Texas done for?
by lazylonghorn on Mar 23, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
If he's done, it's a tragedy.
I hate to see this happen to kids in HS or college. You can add Matt Nader to this list as well.
Every time he's asked,
Mack Brown says, “No change,” referring to a possible Irby return. It’s been 18 months since his surgery . . . I would think he either returns to practice by July, or his career is over. I’d go 80-20 on the latter. Sadly.
Thanks, Big Roy
I had a feeling one of the DEs (SAcho was the more logical) would see a lot of time at tackle this spring. Behind Acho, Eddie Jones and Randall, it’s likely the next best defensive lineman is Okafor. This makes three ends and one tackle, so . . .
Linebacker doesn’t concern me at all. Quality, depth (granted, five of those LBers will be freshmen), top-level position coach. I wonder how likely it is that Norton can make a complete return after two surgeries and so much time missed.
Wide receiver does concern me. Likewise, the offensive line. Interesting switch on Huey. Wonder if this says more about him, about wanting to keep the experience of Hix and Huey together . . . or some kind of demotion for Tray Allen. I’m getting the sense that one of the RS freshmen will have to step up big time if this O-line is to be even as competent as last year’s.
I think it says more about Hix and Huey
If I were Davis I would want my most experienced players on the blind side as well, not two guys who have either never made a start or not played extensively.
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-Walter Payton
Worried about Norton
Not sure that I would count on him this season — anything he provides is a bonus.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Mar 23, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
After reading this I feel refreshed, synergized
Thanks for the update GoBR. Tevin Mims, huh? That’s a name we haven’t heard since he was recruited and signed. Nice to see.
I like Acho working at the 3
I think it only helps his draft status and it only helps him as well. Acho is disruptive and has a nose for the ball. Why would it hurt to move him closer to the ball?
Lb I am not worried about either. You still have Keenan and I heard Ryan Roberson has had a great spring as well. Not to mention Acho will come back fine and the calvary shows up in the summer.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Really like Roberson's feet and toughness
Think that he will be a good contributor. There has been some buzz around Dustin Earnest as well, who should be an effective sub at times.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Mar 23, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Roberson, too
Forgot about Earnest, though. Prolly cause he’s a white guy playing LBer ;-) haha.
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Fozzy Hype?
I’m not sure what to make of the Fozzy hype. Part of me thinks that this was just coach speak meant to light a fire under Chris Whaley’s ass (assuming he is still a RB). Still another strong possibility is that the Mythical Fozzy Creature is at his best without full contact.
Either way, we’re in a better position of one of the bigger backs (Whaley or Shead) eventually emerges as the 2nd back behind Newton.
RB Flexibility
I would rather have a running back that gets 4.5 ypc than a running back that can run a clearing route. It’s a sign to me that a downhill running game is not going to happen.
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Yeah
I take from that comment that the “downhill” running game is this year’s Q package. We’ll see it when we don’t want it, it’ll fail, and be abandoned by the RRS.
Oh hey look, Cody/Whaley is in! Guys, stack the box!…. .
I can see this work
If you are motioning the RB out of the backfield. But they don’t, so why not just line up another receiver out there instead.
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree, but God only knows what's going through GD's head
It’s far beyond my understanding of the game
It's about putting pressure on the defense.
If they have three lilnebackers on the field and the H-back and/or running back are effective receivers, Davis can then split them out and get a mismatch on the perimeter or inside. Otherwise, the defense would simply substitute a defensive back and there’s no mismatch.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Mar 23, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure in that scenario
the safety would cover the RB. Additionally, don’t most of the defenses in the Big XII have LBs that can cover versus spread offenses? So it’s not like the LBs are going to be sweating when one rolls out there anyway.
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
We are banking on Texas players being better athletes than theirs in this
scenario
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
In 21 personnel, which Texas has been using (H-back, running back, tight end)
the defense would likely respond with three linebackers on the field, meaning that if the Longhorns go empty in that formation the defense would either have to play at least one linebacker on the H-back or running back unless they wanted to bring both safeties up to the line of scrimmage and still have three backers in the box with little chance of a running play.
Some of the teams have good spread linebackers, but if teams are going to be playing a bunch of undersized guys this season, the Longhorns appear willing to try to run it down their throat as much as possible.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Mar 23, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you're right
I hope this leads to something new and imaginative that keeps defenses on their toes. I’ll just put myself in the category of sceptically optimistic. Like Tebow’s throwing motion, I just can’t wrap my head around things changing all that much.
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
If he becomes a first round pick after that mediocre showing
I’ll throw up in my mouth.
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-Walter Payton
Brown has wanted to change things for several years
and took some steps before eventually realizing that the best bet was just to let Colt throw the ball almost all the time because he could complete passes at an unprecedented rate.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Mar 24, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I Believe It - Much Different than Q Package
First – the Q package was basically an attempt to use the athletic abilities of John Chiles, which certainly could have been overrated. To me, it was a nice try that did not materially impact the season in an adverse fashion.
The return to the downhill running game is born out of necessity and to correct a huge problem. It seems that we had a disconnect in bringing in the right type of OL to meet the scheme. Therefore – we have 1 huge opportunity of turning a weakness into a strength.
IMHO – this is real, and it will happen, and it will help
Why wouldn't Vondrell be a better option as a downhill runner
Sure he doesn’t have the quicks, but isn’t his size better suited run between the tackles?
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
That’s why I think this running downhill thing is bullsh
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
they’re wasting an awful lot of time on a proven formation that better fits our recruited RBs…. as opposed to inventing a system for a kid who was promised more than he could deliver.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 23, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I truly hope it works out like I'm being told
How many other “power running” teams are concerned with taking their RBs out of the backfield so they can line up as WRs. For what reason, so Waley can run a pass pattern while Timmons sits on the sidelines?
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you need a diagram to tie your shoes?
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
A downhill running game is going to happen
It’s basically all they’ve worked on in practice so far — Davis mentioned that they haven’t even installed the zone read yet this spring and there has been little from the shotgun in the two open practices.
At this point, Greg Smith and Barrett Matthews will start the season at tight end and H-back and should open with the ones against Rice.
I haven’t had a chance to watch much of Boise State, but from what I have seen, there are multiple in being able to use the same personnel to switch between power running formations and spread formations. I think that as much as incorporating some of their trick plays, the Boise State coaches can to talk about being multiple offensively.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Mar 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you're right
I hope it’s successful.
A ground game threat would go a long way towards wins in Lincoln and Dallas
Maybe you need to give me an example of "multiple"
Because in my mind, that is running CoJo, Waley out there for power game when we are pinned inside our 6 inch line, then running Tre out there for the spread for the rest of the time. Otherwise, you have a 245 RB you recruited last year lining up as a receiver when you could throw Davis/White/Timmons out there and actually have a true threat at wideout.
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by run Bevo run on Mar 23, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Multiple
in this case means using the same group of personnel — running back, H-back, tight end, two receivers — and being able to go empty or run I formation with the same players. It means you can speed up the tempo at times if necessary, but mostly make it hard for the defense to decide if they want to play 4-3 or go to a nickel and, ideally, neither decision would ever be correct because of the versatility with the offense. Power running against the nickel and spreading the field against a base 4-3 to put defenders in positions in which they aren’t comfortable.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Mar 23, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope multiple also includes more options out of the backfield ie...
Monroe, Goodwin and Hales. I just have a hunch one or two of these guys will really breakout this year a be that homerun hitter.
Muschamp masters the art of coach-speak
Tevin Mims and Alex Okafor again are guys(???), but you’ve got to continue to press forward.
Was it ever in doubt?
I think it’s all relative to where they are in their career. They’ve certainly improved. Their production will be a telltale in how they play.
That’s usually how it works, I believe…
(granted, this could be an artifact of the transcription process. and I don’t mean to diss Muschamp, obviously he is the man. Seems like he sees room for improvement from everybody, which is a good sign.)
I’m glad to read some good talk about Texas,I gotta say I’m pretty excited to see where were going to be headed also I like to hear -The offensive line is adopting a much more nasty attitude as they continue to work almost exclusively downhill !!!!!
Thank god
O ya as far as Gideon, he’s like a coach back there.Barking at players to get where they need get..The guy broke his back and KEPT PLAYING in high school, he’s a starter and every time I hear synergy I think of the movie In Good Company (Teddy K) haha stupid word
Gideon is like Colt
He’s not the biggest, fastest or the strongest but he’s a quality player. The NFL might frown more on Gideon’s athletic ability than they would a QB’s.
they both had embarrassing injuries as freshman
Gideon= KO’d against Kansas
Colt= The a&m game
well..
Gideon got knocked out while being ran over, and Colt got carried out on a stretcher against a rival.
I'm siding with you on this
Football is a collision sport. People get hurt.
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-Walter Payton
Who cares what aggies say?
They have never had a QB the caliber of Colt. You are talking about something completely subjective. I don’t consider getting injured embarrassing, even if its by getting your clock cleaned. I got mine cleaned a few times and I laid some guys out, too. Its all about timing and angles. Getting embarrassed over getting hurt to me is just a check on the male ego.
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-Walter Payton
I'm sorry
An “embarrassing” injury to me is burning your chest because you iron your shirt while you are still wearing it. Or throwing your back out while sneezing.
An injury incurred while playing football, no matter the kind, is not, and can not be “embarrassing”.
It's unfortunate that this article makes no mention of Brian Griese and his driveway
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 25, 2010 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions
There are a lot of incidents that didn’t make this list that are disappointing. But this is just one of many lists like this out there.
Yeah, but when a guy is drunk and lets his driveway knock him unconscious...
…it’s just plain hilarious, at least until someone loses an eye or testicle.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 25, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah
from 4th grade until I was a senior. I would say those are tough ways to get hurt.
If I tried to tackle Ricky Williams...
…and he bowled me over and my clavicles were sticking into the field, I’ll have been embarrassed by Ricky Williams, not the injury.
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 25, 2010 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Gideon doesn't have a prayer of even sniffing the NFL.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Mar 23, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
No "sniffing"?! Wow.
Pretty big ultimatum statement for a kid with 2 years of eligibility & improvement left on an already effective career. Saw somewhere that he ran several 4.5 40s and he already has a good-size frame. There are plenty of Bill Bates, John Lynch, Kenny Gant, Steve Tasker types who make it to the NFL. He might not have a 15-year career as a starter but I bet he does some “sniffing”. We’ll see.
I disagree as well
I think Gideon has adequate physical tools and a good resume as well in order for him to get a shot at pro ball. Now, of course, there are always players who are 4 year starters who just don’t cut it but I think Gideon, with 2 more years to go, will at least get a shot.
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He has no change of direction ability
and takes bad angles all the time. None of his measurables are going to be enough to convince NFL scouts. He seems to be a student of the game, so he has that going for him, but I think his shoulders are increasingly going to be a problem for him. A solid-to-good college player with athletic limitations is not the recipe for catching the attention of NFL folks. I guess he could receive an invite to camp for a bit like Bobino did, but I just don’t see anything more than that from him. Nothing personal against Gideon, who seems like a good kid — I’m not someone who continues to hold the play in Lubbock against him.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Mar 25, 2010 5:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Could be the safety equivalent of Major Applewhite
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 25, 2010 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh yea don't mistake me
I’m not saying he’s going to be a world beater in the NFL. Players like him seem to find a place, though. Physically I agree with you. He is not overwhelming. However, hard working guys can sometimes find their niche. I’ll admit to being a bit biased because he is a Longhorn and because he seems like a good kid but I think he has a shot, too.
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Any back-up frosh that can lead his team to a tie
After being down by 14, has my respect. In the MNC, no less! You guys have a pretty good QB as it is, injury in spring will hurt, but if he’s truly good, he will fight through it, and lead his team to victories.
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Mar 23, 2010 6:49 PM CDT reply actions
we never tied them, we got to within 3.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 24, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Sort of a moot point if you ask me.
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