Muschamp Able to Recruit as an Assistant for One More Year | The Washington Post
According to a source with direct knowledge of the situation, the NCAA has granted the Universities of Maryland and Texas a one-year grace period with regard to a recently passed rule, which subjects "publicly designated" coaches-in-waiting to the same recruiting restrictions as current head coaches. The schools will use the year to pursue relief from the new rule through official NCAA procedures.
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Sounds like a decent window
I thought it was stupid that he had to literally sit in the car after making the drive out to see a recruit recently. The NCAA’s process should’ve given schools more of a heads-up about the rule under consideration long before it enacted it.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
Stupid rule
No matter how you look at it the rule makes no sense unless a date has been set for the change at the helm. This rule hurts the schools and the kids.
Seriously, how is additional stability bad for a kid’s life?
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 9, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I know...I was actually just adding another point to what he was saying
Or rather, describing how I agree with what he was saying. He says it hurts the kids, and I agree, because it reduces certainty/stability for kids who, in most cases, could use a whole lot more of that.
I guess my question rhetorical, in other words.
I have beat wholesale ass for a whole lot less.
by burntorangehorn on Mar 9, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I meant the original rule is stupid
Additionaly stability for the kids, and the school, is not a bad thing. Just ask the other UT.
The concept of HCIW is actually a great idea and to suggest that it is being misused for recruiting (as if Coach Brown isn’t really the head coach and we are just pretending so Coach Boom can get an unfair advantage and make visits) is crazy.
Because coaches never take advantage of loopholes to further their recruiting.
The rule about HCIW fixes a loophole that prevents head coaches from recruiting off campus in the spring. Now maybe you think rules preventing head coaches from being off campus in the spring is a poor one (and I would generally agree) and that’s one thing. But a rule fixing a loophole isn’t crazy. The HCIW isn’t a full-fledged head coach, but he’s clearly not a generic full-time assistant either.
FWIW, I think the NCAA is handling this well. It’s going to take some time for the NCAA to figure out how to legislate the HCIW title. A 1-year grace period to allow the schools affected to appeal and/or adjust their recruiting makes sense as well.
NCAA giving it a year is the first right move
But I’m not sure what you mean that this rule “fixes a loophole that prevents head coaches from recruiting off campus in the spring.”
Unless the HCIW becomes the actual head coach between this spring and this fall, it didn’t fix anything. There is only one head coach at any given moment, not two. Additionally, if an assistant visits a campus in the spring and then he (or she—let’s think into the distant future) becomes head coach, then they did the same thing. The rule targets a title and not a job function/description which is why it is so ill-conceived IMO.
I’m not sure why the NCAA implemented the rule so quickly and over the objection of the other committee when it only pertains to two schools. (Glad the USC issues aren’t taking up any of their time so they can do things like this). But sarcasm aside, it is the right decision to back off for this year, and then have a serious discussion of what should and shouldn’t be allowed with a HCIW.
To treat Coach Boom diffrently than all other Defensive Coordinators was just crazy.
But he's
not just a defensive coordinator. He’s the next head coach. And I disagree that it only targets a title. Do you really believe that his day-to-day job duties are the same as Greg Davis? He’s being groomed for the job.
Look at Florida State. It was apparent that by the end of the 2008 season Jimbo Fisher had some serious input into that program—above and beyond the coordinator position. By this season he was the de facto head coach in a lot of ways.
I’m not suggesting that this has happened, is happening, or will happen at Texas. But this is a new position that has responsibilities beyond just a title and it makes sense to me that the NCAA would want to legislate it.
I don't agree with the logic that being "groomed for the job" makes you HC
A lot of other DCs – and OCs for that matter- are being groomed to be head coaches. Most DCs and OCs probably want that as a professional goal. It doesn’t mean that they should be treated as if they are already in the position of head coach simply because they aspire to that position somteime in the future.
Jimbo Fisher is a perfect example of HCIW at its most powerful moment. FSU started putting pressure on Bowden to step down while increasing Jimbo Fisher’s control. It played out like everyone expected—once the pressure was applied and Fisher really started to become the real HC, Bowden had no choice but to resign. It didn’t really take that long for it to play out once FSU started to shift the power. I don’t see where it was a huge recruiting advantage to FSU over other teams during this past year. It was actually more awkward than anything else with the disjoinder starting to create problems. To me FSU showed that you can’t really have two head coaches at once, and when they started to have that it was action time to make the transition official.
I really don’t have a problem with the NCAA coming up with some fair rules to address this new position, but the rules should not retroactively punish a school for good planning as that is something that should actually be encouraged. It is everyone’s interest (schools and kids) to continue the HCIW concept, and also work with the schools to agree upon what that means for recruiting rules. I really have a problem with treating a sitting DC or OC that is a HCIW diffrently from his peers UNLESS he has a clear date at which time he is taking over. If a date is set, then I definitely think the HCIW should be under some other restrictions as it would allow that person an unfair jump start that other head coaches wouldn’t have.
I may even be persuaded that a HCIW is treated as a Head Coach after 3? or 5? years or something like that. If something like this were implemented then it would make schools also a bit more committed when they name a person HCIW.
“I don’t see where it was a huge recruiting advantage to FSU over other teams during this past year.”
That’s the money quote right there. The fact that the de facto head coach for FSU is on the road recruiting in the spring while Randy Shannon and Urban Meyer have to sit at home would seem to be a big advantage to me. Enough people much more involved with this than you or I seem to think so as well or there wouldn’t have been this rule in the first place.
I agree with you about the retroactive punishment which is why I think the NCAA is actually doing a good job with this.
I disagree that the HCIW concept is a “good thing.” I’ll be very interested to see how it develops over the next 10 or so years.
Regarding being groomed for the job, I’d be curious how many meetings and events with alumni, boosters, donors, and other high-level UT staff Muschamp is involved with that Greg Davis isn’t? I bet the answer isn’t zero.
It would be that way anyway
Regarding being groomed for the job, I’d be curious how many meetings and events with alumni, boosters, donors, and other high-level UT staff Muschamp is involved with that Greg Davis isn’t? I bet the answer isn’t zero.
I bet if you sub in Major Applewhite for Muschamp the answer would not be zero either. That is like betting that the engineers are kept away from the customers while the marketing people are constantly interfacing with them, it is just a no brainer.
I have people skills!
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by burntorangehorn on Mar 10, 2010 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
I agree it creates a recruiting advantage
But lots of innovations have created recruiting advantages. Junior days is a great example. Why would you want to fix the loophole is the question I am asking.
If a school is willing to designate a HCIW, then they reap the benefits of that. Every other school has the ability to do the same thing if they choose to. Just because they don’t make that choice doesn’t mean they should create a rule to punish those who do.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
Don't you think sometime by the end of the year they let the media know that Muschamp is no longer the HCIW
but behind closed doors Brown lets Champ know your still the guy for the job, we just have to kill the whole HCIW from your name cuz the NCAA is crippling us aswell as you from our recruiting!
Yea I would agree with doubtful
Can’t see Mack leaving before he’s ready, and especially not for some NCAA rule.
My money is that the rule goes away or is amended
I think the HCIW concept is a good one, especially after watching the turmoil this year with USC/UT etc. So, I am more inclined to think that the NCAA will revisit this rule in total and may decide to amend it to make it more logical.
For instance, if announcement date is set for the HCIW to take charge, then that person may be subject to the “head coach” recruiting limitations for the year prior to assumption or something like that.
I just don’t see any sense to punish a succession plan that has no set date. We all know that Coach Boom could have left for Tennessee if he wanted to, so to suggest that he is somehow really our “Head Coach” makes no sense. It is actually insluting to Coach Brown to suggest he isn’t really the head coach.
What is so silly is that I don’t think any school has ever misused the HCIW position. I’m not even sure why or how a school could effectively pull that off. This really does seem to be just a lower tiered conference trying to blame their lack of success on something.
Mack promised the 2010 kids he’d be here their 4 years.
by Displaced Longhorn on Mar 9, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
loop hole
This has nothing to do with fixing a loop hole. HCIW was not created for recruiting purposes.
All this does is make schools in the future not announce deals they may have with their HCIW. This was dumb and unenforceable, except to Maryland and Texas who had already announced.
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