Thoughts from the Spring Game
Today's spring game was a welcome dose of football during a long spring and summer. Evaluations are troublesome in spring games. Whenever a player succeeds another fails, which provides every viewer a different perspective on each play. It's challenging to assess a player in a game in which both players know their opponent and his schemes and there is often an imbalance between the quality of players facing each other. It is also necessary to keep in mind that this game is the conclusion of only a few weeks of practice.
With this in mind, some thoughts on who stood out after the jump...
Punt Returns
Jordan Shipley's replacements have big shoes to fill not only in the passing game but in special teams as well. Aaron Williams, Kirkendoll, and Hales all took turns receiving punts during the pregame practice. William's return skills are still a work in development. His drops were the result of him attacking the ball with outstretched arms and him failing to square his hips. After a couple of tries, Williams did catch a punt behind his back, so we know his coordination is there. Kirkendoll appeared hesitant, fielding punts off the bounce instead of take the risk to arrive under them. Hales looked like the most consistent of the three: reading, catching, and protecting the ball well despite his drop in the game. After a summer of practice, one or two of three should be prepared enough for the position.
Tight Ends/WR
Barrett Matthews made an impression today in a number of areas. Matthews handles his size much better than EBS, especially when motioning to full back. I was impressed with Barrett's blocking technique: he does a great job of lowering his hips and using force to strike upwards. He used this to successfully drive Okafor off the end on a number of running plays. I don't think Matthews is a step down from Smith as a blocker. As you all saw, Matthews is also an asset in the passing game, especially through play action. On a side note, according to last years football yearbook, Matthews "enjoys planting fruits and vegetables." I don't think I've ever seen that before...
Ahmard Howard, who is just under Smith's size, is athletic enough to contribute given the opportunity. Dominique Jones looked raw, which is understandable as he is a redshirt freshman.
The lack of Goodwin and Chiles gave Fitzhenry and Hales some limelight. Hales is fast and has football smarts. On one of his catches he saw the safeties dropping into a Cover-Two and separated himself by cutting underneath. Gilbert's connection with him is probably the result of them working together often in the second team throughtout last season. It's hard to judge where he fits in without having the whole receiver corp present but he has earned playing time.
Brock Fitzhenry could surprise people this year or the next. I know he's small, 5'9'' 171 lbs, but he is a great athlete. He was a three time All-State Quarterback and holds records for rushing touchdowns. His cuts are crisp every time, his hands are consistent, and he has speed for a smaller guy. Is he going to get a lot of catches this year? Probably not, but he should be given opportunities down the road because he's consistent and plays bigger than his size.
Didn't see too much from Monroe today and haven't heard the coaches say too much about him recently. Not sure if this is the result of him being hurt or if he has been passed by other receivers. Malcolm Williams didn't show much either, I did see him wiff while blocking. His size should allow blocking to come naturally. He was often covered by Aaron Williams, which helps to explain his lack of catches.
Offensive Line
As an experienced senior, Kyle Hix should be the leader of the offensive line and has stepped up to the position. I liked what I saw from him: his footwork, body position, and hands are all where they should be for a veteran senior. Britt Mitchell has the athleticism of a tight end, which he was, which is a valuable asset against pass rushers in the Big 12. Thomas Ashcraft, who took his reps with the second team, has great size but needs to work on his footwork, which he has plenty of time to develop. Mark Buchanan handled his blocks nicely. Not sure if the offensive line as a unit was dominate for any period during the scrimmage.
Safeties
I spent some time watching Kenny Vaccaro. Vaccaro is athletically gifted and has desire but IMO is still a work in progress. I'm not exactly sure how Muschamp intended on using him today. He played in front of two second-string safeties as deep as the linebackers but far outside of the tackle box. I'm uncertain if he had moved up repeatedly to blitz or was playing as a Nickel Back in a 4-2-5 look. The good: on his knockout of Newton, he took an excellent lateral read step, dropped back into position between the receiver behind him and the shallow route in front of him, and delivered a perfect tackle with great form. The bad: on a couple occasions he read the run but broke down too slowly and too deep into the backfield, which allowed Fozzy to accelerate past him. This problem was a direct result of his aggressiveness, which he can be taught to channel productively. The ugly: The kid is a tough SOB, which is great unless your playing yourself, which we were today. On kickoff coverage, Vaccaro practically tackled one of the non-scholarship players from behind absolutely needlessly. His hit on Newton was also excessive.
Blake Gideon gets a bad rap because of a handful of plays. Blake is fundamentally sound and his hands are much improved. In his first two seasons he earned honorable-mention in the Big 12. He deserves recognition for that. On a side note, has anyone seen him smile?
Other Thoughts
Justin Tucker has swagger. You don't see many kickers rock the Oakley eyeshield and strut around with the full line of Nike socks and wristbands. Swagger is an asset to a kicker who needs to be able to brush off bad kicks, which are rare for Tucker anyway.
The kickoff team is a motely crew of walk-ons and third string players. I'm not sure if this team is finalized or are just role playing for practice. We are deep enough in the defensive backfield to lend a couple DBs as gunners. Cody Hill, who walked on as a DB and is about the same size as Fitzhenry, fought through blocks and got downfield fast enough to earn a spot on coverage.
After the National Championship, Gilbert is a household name. He's even on a first name basis with the scoreboard: "GARRETT pass to HALES for a touchdown"
The teams today were named "Texas" and "Fight". Can we go back to teams "Orange" and "White". Team Fight sounds like an a bad fifth grade soccer team...
The addition of '09 to the list of conference championships was a beautiful sight. Is it naturally to feel like I was part of that and earned it in some way? Probably not...
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This is crack for my football-malnourished soul
Thank you, sir. I need to watch it now. Damn work!
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground. I was bummin' in a hole-in-the-wall town in what is now called "Utah".
Ditto that
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 4, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we can contend in 2010......we really shouldn't lose more than 1 game....
but if 2009 was “OUR” year, 2011 is definitely shaping up to be our big big run.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
McNabb's not a pup
They could easily draft McCoy and groom him. It’s a long shot but anything is possible with Snyder
McCoy
The Titans are said to be looking for a backup for VY.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
There's better hunting and fishing in other parts of the country anyway...
by InDKR'sShadow on Apr 4, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Also means no Clausen at No. 4, most likely
I wonder where he will drop to.
by TheElusiveShadow on Apr 4, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know...
…you could do worse than have a second round QB pick sit for 2-3 years under a good vet. Hard to do with a first rounder because of the money, but a second rounder maybe. Like, say, Kevin Kolb?
Granted, I haven’t been following the draft much at all so maybe this really is definite based on the rumors circulating, but theoretically, I don’t think it precludes anything.
They had to trade the 2nd round pick to get McNabb
And don’t have a 3rd round pick. I guess they could trade back up, just doesn’t seem likely.
Oh, I thought those were next year.
Now that I actually read the story rather than merely skimming it, it’s the 2nd rounder this year and either a 3rd or 4th next year. Case closed.
usually the beginning of summer. nt
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground. I was bummin' in a hole-in-the-wall town in what is now called "Utah".
And I think a lot of those kids
Plus some of the injured people right now will make the majority of the special teams unit this year…
The worst part
of the “Texas” and “Fight” team names was that the announcer insisted on calling the 2nd team “Fighting”. Really awkward to here an -ing word used as a noun.
Additionally, I spent some (okay, a lot) of time evaluating the talent working the sidelines. As usual, we are stacked at the position.
forgot to mention
It seemed like Whaley played big early on, breaking off a couple long runs. Don’t know if that was a product of his improvement as a player or of his competition (he was working against the 2nd team).
Don't say things like that...
I’m the dumbass who said: “Garrett throws a great ball, but if we see him in this game we’ve got problems” about half an hour before THAT game started…
by InDKR'sShadow on Apr 4, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if whittaker has ever been fine...
he has either been injured or getting injured… praying for a healthy year for the kid
Shipley had a similar problem
So I’m pulling for a similar resolution.
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by burntorangehorn on Apr 5, 2010 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Priest Holmes and Selvin Young
had similar issues here staying healthy. Fozzy looked really good finishing runs yesterday. He actually ran over a (rookie) corner at one point.
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by SpiritOfTheFedora on Apr 5, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
whittakers always got a small ankle injury…
by Displaced Longhorn on Apr 5, 2010 8:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Great breakdown, man
I think Matthews is going to be a stud. Call me overreacting but I felt he was just very consistent and did very well. I think Whaley’s future is at RB, too.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
The ones who stood out to me:
Hales, Gilbert, Fozzy, and Whaley. Where was Chiles? Is he hurt? What about C. Scott?
Chiles was held out because of injury
List of injured (from Statesman) also included E. Acho, Brewster, Norton, Walters, Kelley, Grant, couple of others.
Loved seeing Hales & Fitzhenry start to get some meaningful playing time
Hales looks like a Tony Jones clone to me. Fast, reliable, and sneaky in the defensive backfield. Fitzhenry looks like he can fill the Bret Robin role as long as he can hang onto the ball a little bit better. They’ll both contribute by Jr & Sr years.
I'm less high on Whaley than many
I thought he ran well, but where does he really separate himself? He showed some more burst than Cody has, but CJ is still probably the better short yardage runner and can move a pile better. He’s not not nearly as quick or fast as some of the other backs, nor is he as good a receiver. I’m just not sure where he separates himself from the pack. At this point, I’m fine with staying with Newton as the main back, Fozzy behind him, and with CJ being the short yardage and “closer” back. I never thought the real problem was our RB’s anyway.
He obviously should get carries early on in the season to see how he fares in live competition, but I’m still a bit skeptical about Whaley.
by TheElusiveShadow on Apr 4, 2010 9:18 PM CDT reply actions
I agree
Whaley’s stride seems overly choppy. It’s like he is trying to run through tires instead of remaining balanced and fast. Where I disagree with you is I do see a problem with our RBs.
Perhaps it’s the RB du jour that happened last season, or it could be the brittle Fozzy and the hamstrung Cody. I didn’t see anything from our RBs in the running game that warranted confidence in our new “down-hill” running game. Sure they looked great catching passes out of the backfield. I just assumed I could expect more than Whaley running over a kid that should be getting measured for a tux to his prom and Malcolm showing his wheels on a jet sweep.
You can have Fozzy, I’ll take Jeremy Hills to back up Tre’.
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by run Bevo run on Apr 5, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I brought the choppy stride up when watching the scouting film on Whaley a while back
He doesn’t bring his knees up at all, making his foot turnover kind of plodding. I think he could be a lot faster, but of course one of the worst things one can do with a talented back is make him become a long-strider. It kills change-of-direction, among other things, and it’s of course key for running backs to keep their feet moving instead of planting for the long stride. What would be awesome to be from Whaley would be if he could keep the choppy, short stride when he’s in traffic, making cuts, etc. and successfully integrate the more open stride when he has the angle advantage or has that clear hole that he should accelerate to hit.
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by burntorangehorn on Apr 5, 2010 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions
*awesome to see
not be
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by burntorangehorn on Apr 5, 2010 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, on the play where Whaley ran over a Safety(?), I felt he could have kept his feet better and not gone down
I thought that he was big enough to not get tripped up by that road-hump, but maybe he was just trying not to trample his teammate and fell over.
I think you mean Adrian White.
Whaley had two collisions with him along the sideline. The long run down the middle ended with a tackle by the cornerback Eryon Barnett.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Apr 5, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I think so
Credit to White for making the tackle after having his bell rung, but I thought Whaley could churn through it and break off into a footrace down the sideline
agreed,
not really sure why we haven’t seen more of Hills. It seems that when he has the stage he shows up to play.
I even named my son Kolt.
by vivalonghorns05 on Apr 5, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
Whaley doesn’t have a particular signature of his own at this point, nothing that stands out above the others. I’d like to see Tre run through a couple of the holes Whaley had. I’ll take Newton-Whittaker-Hills and CJ for short yardage.
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by SpiritOfTheFedora on Apr 5, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
crowd
I wonder who’s decision it was to have the Spring Game on Easter Sunday. It looked like the crowd was a lot smaller than in year’s past.
Yeah, Mack explained a little while back that today was truly the only day they could do it.
Don’t remember why that was the case, but they didn’t want to have the game clash with Texas Relays, for sure.
My thoughts...
I must of not got the memo that this was the “Texas-Fight” game, not “Orange-White.” They need to change that back ASAP, I don’t know what they were thinking…
And no comment on Tucker’s swag, please. I wish somebody would remind him that he is a kicker
I’m curious to see about Fozzy. I’m convinced that he will never be the guy, simply because he is always hurt. Also curious to see where Whaley fits into all of this. I’m a CJ fan, get him in the game more!
Look out for Fitzhenry, I hope he just gets his chance. He can make some good things happen
The Tucker Swag Defense
Arguments for:
Tucker is more ripped and more athletic than your average kicker.
He runs downfield on kickoffs to try to make a tackle rather than waiting back and praying someone else gets to the return-man.
His leg has serious distance.
Arguments against:
Tucker is a kicker.
by InDKR'sShadow on Apr 5, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but...
he’s a kicker. Thats awesome. I wanna see him clothesline some guy.
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground. I was bummin' in a hole-in-the-wall town in what is now called "Utah".
I have noticed
That in the NFL that the quirkier the kicker – the better he is. BTW – Cody Johnson, Fozzy, and DJ all tweaked a hammy while I was posting.
by realmccoy on Apr 5, 2010 6:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Because as a kicker you basically have the shittiest job on the team
No one respects you, but as much if not more than anyone else, everyone expects you to be perfect at your job.
It helps to be a little quirky to handle the mental aspect of being that guy.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Apr 5, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Kicker is a thankless job
Everyone blames the kicker for a missed 50yd. FG to lose at the end of the game, but not the crappy offense that couldn’t get the ball closer or score a touchdown.
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by burntorangehorn on Apr 5, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
But it's the only way for a lot of guys to make the team
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
So he's Greg Johnson redoux
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground. I was bummin' in a hole-in-the-wall town in what is now called "Utah".
To be fair
Tucker also played Safety in HS and was actually pretty good. He was just WAY better at kicking. His HS film had a few highlights of him at safety and he was definitely NOT afraid of contact. Also had a couple interceptions. If any other kicker had that amount of swagger, I’d be making fun of him. But I’ve seen Tucker hit and it was actually impressive.
Thought Matthews and Hales looked good. I thought Gilbert looked good, but I expected that after the BCS championship game.
I do think that putting him under center hinders his development, and that he does better out of the shotgun with four WRs unstead of under with an H-back.
He's a gunslinger who would excel with the better vision and protection that the shotgun offers...
But with as many talented running backs as we have and an inexperienced receiving core, its logical to go under center.
by InDKR'sShadow on Apr 4, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Great Point
But I think it is very possible that GG as a soph could be as successful as Colt as frosh. I hate to say it – but I am flip flopping. I thought downhill running was back – but now believe that by year end – it will be GG in the gun – throwing bout 40 times a game.
by realmccoy on Apr 5, 2010 7:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree and disagree
Gilbert’s mechanics are just beautiful to watch. He’s way ahead of Colt in that category at the same stage. The opportunities under center and the help from his teammates that affords will make him a better all-around quarterback sooner rather than later. Also more NFL-ready.
I do think they’ll stick with the downhill running game, the writing has been on the wall for some time.
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by SpiritOfTheFedora on Apr 5, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think GG looked great yesterday and as you noticed most of his big passes came off of play action. I think that is what Mack and Greg are hoping to aid in his development and look for it to make a smooth transition. While he may be relied upon more later on with the gun and spreading it out I think under center, down hill rushing matched with play action is what is going to aid his development the most this season.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
To the point of protection...
Sorry forgot to mention this in the initial post. I thought pass protection looked great yesterday. On the one play where it looked like GG might get sacked because of Britt getting beat GG ducked his shoulder, stepped up in the pocket and delivered a good ball. I thought pass protection was a bright spot yesterday.
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-Walter Payton
Maybe it as just me
But I found it extremely hard to get a read off the line.
If I saw a D-lineman bust through, Id back up the DVR and see it was a starter on D against a backup on O, or if Gilbert had plenty of time, it was a starter on O-line against a name I havent heard on D.
THe mixing and matching made it very hard to take anything away from this game, Line play especially for me, as so much of what you do on the line rests on what the guys on either side of you add.
The biggest takeaways I got were:
1) Gilbert looks great when he has time, though we knew that already. He looked to have more touch on the ball than in the MNC game, which is a good thing.
2) Matthews looks ready to play, loved his catch and runs, loved his tenacity on blocking.
3) Kenny is going to kill someone this year, possibly himself. Watch out, dudes a missile looking to blow up.
4) Fozzy hobbling off would have been somewhat humorous if it wasn’t so tragic. I get that its a minor injury, but dude, its not even real football and he can’t stay healthy. Sad to say, Im off the Fozzy wagon, lets go Newton, Hills, Whaley, and Johnson, the new Cerberus.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Apr 5, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
The line is definitely not a finished product
But I thought it was encouraging. Line play is the hardest thing to get together on a team. It takes time. I think the Spring Game was definitely a good sign. If I remember correctly, the play in which GG stepped up in the pocket and swung the ball out to Matthews in the flat was 1’s vs 1’s. To me that was such a great picture of building a pocket and GG’s sense of pocket presence.
To your point, though, you are correct. Hard to get a firm read but I thought there were some encouraging things, there.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Line play is going to be huge
If GG gets time in the pocket, he’s going to annihilate.
I think w/ Colt we were trying to do a Texas Tech style pass protection, where we move back in the shotgun to give the QB time, while w/ GG this year it looks like we’ll try to give him time off the play action.
Even losing Robo-Colt, it’s hard for me to picture this offense being much less productive than last year’s. We were plagued by line issues and turnovers for much of the early part of the year, and it can’t be worse… can it?
FYI
Didn’t see too much from Monroe today and haven’t heard the coaches say too much about him recently. Not sure if this is the result of him being hurt or if he has been passed by other receivers.
This says this:
D.J. Monroe again pulled a hamstring on the first kickoff so he didn’t play any more today. We’ve got to figure out where D.J. fits in all this stuff.
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Not So Suble Message
Staying healthy is a skill. I really enjoy watching DJ play, and just love his explosiveness. He has been thru so much – I will keep hoping for his success.
by realmccoy on Apr 5, 2010 7:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Was This a "Staged" Game?
Muschamp D looked very mediocre. Okafor a non-factor. Fozzy steamrolling people (before the obligatory injury)? Garret looked great – but it had almost a contrived feel to it.
by realmccoy on Apr 5, 2010 5:08 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
the opening kickoff return did look staged
like they wanted it to be returned for a TD to get the crowd excited
I remember somoene saying ocn ethat they do that every year with the kickoff.
On another note, I really didn’t pay enough attention to who was on defenseto notice this, but was it 1s vs 1s and 2s vs 2s?
I thought it was interesting that when the 1 offense was out there, they faced a 3-4 defense, and when the 2 offense was out there, they faced a 4-2-5 defense. Just something I noticed, could be simply b/c Muschamp wants to get a look at the starters in that alignment, and it was done to combat offense’s rushing-intensive effort today.
Throughout the game
both offenses and defenses mixed and matched the personnel groupings. Mostly it was the first-team offense against the first-team defense to start out. At one point, one of the freshman quarterbacks was in with one scholarship receiver and two walk ons going against the first-team secondary.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Apr 5, 2010 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought they played 1s against 1s for the first "quarter"
And then it was 1s against 2s on both sides of the ball for the rest of the game until the 4th “quarter” when they even started to sub out the 1s and it was just 2s against 2s and 3s against 2s.
I think most of the game was 1s vs 2s
Which would make it feel staged. It’s why the final score was like 30ish to 3.
No mention of Hicks..
Did he play at all?
I mean, I would like to know, seeing as you longhorns stole him from us =P
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Apr 5, 2010 7:01 AM CDT reply actions
He doesn't show up until summer.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Well.
Same thing, really..errr, maybe not.
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Apr 6, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Re: Worrying about the running game
1) As has been pointed out, remember that they’ve only had 15 practices to install a new system with a new QB and many new linemen after having run the spread with Colt for 4 years. We are only 4 months removed from the NC game.
2) One of the biggest advantages of downhill power running game is the later 3rd and 4th quarter when you have hopefully beaten the D down a bit and you get into a rythm. You can’t do that in a spring game rotating in 1st through 4th string on both sides of the ball.
Overall, Gilbert and Matthews looked good. I don’t think we’d be at a Balbay+Mason-on the-court disadvantage with Matthews and EBS on the field at the same time. I think that would make us very versatile/multiple, which is the goal.
I’m not sold on Whaley yet because he was running against non first stringers so much. I did find his play ecouraging, and with 5 months before the first game, I will hope that A) EBS will become more of a threat in the passing game (this makes me think of the saying about the definition of insanity), or B) that Matthews can take over the role of the tight end and Whaley can play the role of the fullback/motion H-back/occasional TE.
Tow thoughts on the DB's
one bad and one good.
The good – The Horns do an excellent job of getting good DBs and preparing them for the NFL
The bad – The Horns do an extremely bad job of getting DB’s prepared for a broadcasting career. Brutal, just brutal.
Re: Analysis of Spring Game
Haven’t gotten the chance to see much of the game yet (1 series by both teams), so I appreciate your info.
One thing that always gets me is putting too much stock into the Spring Game. It’s great to look at the future of the program, but I don’t have a keen enough eye to catch the nuances of how each player is developing. How some of you do this without watching each play 15 times amazes me.
My point: For me, this is just a hit to fill the void until fall. Thanks for the info that you were able to share.
Tip of the Hat, Wag of the Finger
Tip of the Hat:
Gilbert
Hales
Kirkendoll
Whaley
Hills
Vaccaro
Wag of the Finger:
Back-up QB’s
Punt/Kick Returns
Vaccaro
It didn’t seem like anyone threw much into the 1st team defense, but when Gilbert had time to make his reads off a playaction, he was torching the 2nd team defense. If we can establish a respectible run game w/ Newton and Fozzy or Whaley, then our PA game will break huge plays.
Vaccaro nearly pulled in Garrett’s only pick, and looked like the best guy out there on the second team, and he also nearly killed one of his teammates. The guy likes to hit.
Our Backup QB situation isn’t great. Gilbert has to be healthy.
Losing Shipley and Thomas will hurt us on special team returns… But then again, that might be Goodwin’s role, and he wasn’t out to show off his skills.
"Our Backup QB situation isn’t great. Gilbert has to be healthy."
That sounds familiar…
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 5, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This gets so much play
And even more so given our recent MNC game.
But please tell me, who in college sports has an excellent backup QB?
Hell what pro team has an excellent backup QB?
Every team is up shit creek if they lose their starting QB. Maybe it matters more in college due to the amplified importance of the regular season, but its not like we are the only noobs out there without a world beater warming our bench. Id much rather have our world beater in the game at QB, then waiting to get his chance.
And I know, theres plenty of examples from history, about how Applewhite got his shot, or what have you. But before anyone comes back with that, just consider how many hundreds, maybe thousands of good quarterbacks on excellent teams didn’t have shit sitting behind them and it didn’t matter.
We have what all signs point to as a fantastic starting quarterback. We will rise and fall with him, and we arent really alone across the nation with that, or does anyone really think Landry was the best QB in the big 12? If we lose Gilbert for the season, I imagine we’d have a season much like OU’s last year. As would most programs with a marquee player at QB.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Apr 5, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I know.
I made this same argument myself post-MNC. Its not even fair to criticize Mack for not recruiting a program QB every year — players like that don’t want to come and sit behind established starters for three years until they get their shot in their senior year (Texas Tech excepted).
That said, we rely so heavily on our QB (post 2005) that any injury to the QB and we’re toast. This is true of a lot of Big 12 schools. I mean, any team is going to have irreplaceable players, but the things we’ve asked QBs to do here at Texas since Vince Young is to be otherworldly. A game-manager QB at Texas = Texas loses several games.
Since Muschamp got here, we’ve been given a margin of error on offense (that we’ve happily used; look at you Greg) that eases this burden somewhat, but I would still prefer to see the scheme supporting the players rather than the other way around.
That said, we’re Texas, and so we can generally get a starting QB that will carry the offense through 14 weeks of football, but fleshing out an entire depth chart of stud QBs is not going to happen. I’d like to see a more forgiving offensive attack, where the loss of one player doesn’t decimate the offense. To his credit, Mack talked about this in the offseason; we’ll see where that goes.
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by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 5, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
"But please tell me, who in college sports has an excellent backup QB?"
I would argue Texas 2009-10 did.
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by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 5, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I think mostly what I meant was that I wish Sherrod, Woods or McCoy would have stood out as a clear successor
In any other game besides OU/Neb/Bama last year, I think GG brings out the win if McCoy goes down like he did against Bama.
I want to feel that way this year too, if GG gets a stinger while we’re starting the game against UCLA or Tech, are we going to put ANY points on the board?
Meh, do you honestly think Bama or LSU would be much different if their starting QB went down? Brian Kelly won at Cincinatti with his 3rd and 4th string QB. Losing your starter would affect you more than most b/c of your absence of a running game (see MNC game).
Did the defense ever blitz Gilbert? Seemed to me that the gameplan on defense was very vanilla. The bright side is that Gilbert obviously has a stronger arm than McCoy and is very accurate. I’m gonna go out on a big limp and predict he is drafted higher than McCoy will be. ;)
That limb needs to hold a bunch of us.
The bright side is that Gilbert obviously has a stronger arm than McCoy and is very accurate. I’m gonna go out on a big limp and predict he is drafted higher than McCoy will be. ;)

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