NCAA Ignoring Huge Basketball Issues - Basically a Rant
This week will be a nice contrast on what NCAA Basketball is and what it could be. On one hand, we have just enjoyed another memorable "March Madness", among the best of a great event. On the other hand, we will now have the "one and dones" declaring for the draft, like our own Avery Bradley.
First of all, I want to wish Bradley all the success he can handle, and thank him for his efforts as a Longhorn. Second, I hate the NBA rule that creates this insipid "one and done" player. It is un- American not to let a kid who is good enough to be drafted out of high school to cash in on his talent. It is not fair that a player will risk injury before being able to cash in on his talent. But my concern is on the NCAA side of this issue - and would like to talk about it after the jump.
Here is my heartburn
- "One and Done" students can make a mockery of the educational institution. Often, the player knows he is going to the draft and will literally stop going to school in January. Technically, not even a student athlete at the time of the tourney.
- The "One and Done" student is potentially taking a schollie from a true "student athlete". The person that should be the focus of the NCAA. The person that the NCAA should be fostering for success.
- Often, this athlete knows they are just passing through, and has no real passion for his college choice. Thus helping spawn a cottage industry of seedy characters, and pay for play. When you don't care about the uni, when you don't care about the education, it is natural for less than wholesome factors to influence. This industry is growing by leaps and bounds and fortunately the NCAA has aggressively responded by doing nothing.
- Entire programs could care less about graduating players. Bob Huggins graduated zero players at Cincy. Bruce Pearl is on same track in Tennessee. Zero. Not even a token nerd at the end of the bench. The NCAA has new program here too - doing less than nothing.
Here is some good news
- The NCAA doesn't need these players at all. The wonderfully entertaining game between Butler and Duke was played essentially without a single player that will contribute in the NBA. So what happened? The teams played hard. The teamwork forged by years of working together was on display. The coaching and scheming was among the best performances I have seen. In a sense, the cohesiveness and experience trumped raw talent.
- Of the players I have enjoyed watching many are these mercurial talents like KD, TJ, and DJ. And in their defense - they truly did embrace the college game. But let me tell you - I enjoyed Wojo the human floor burn just as well.
Here is a proposed solution
- Raise the scholarship level in basketball to 16 players.
- Recognize that a student may need 5 years to graduate - and give the player a 5th year if needed to finish. When in 5th year - do not count his schollie against 16.
- When a coach recruits a player - if he doesn't graduate- he will be charged a schollie until his class graduates. So if Texas has Avery Bradley, and he leaves, we are charged his schollie against the 16 until 2013. It would not be open until 2014.
- When a school graduates players at an exemplary level - early departure exemptions are earned.
- GET A CODE OF ETHICS! A coach who conspires with street agents can no longer coach in the NCAA. He can be "one and done" and go to the NBA. None of this hand money in USC and go to UTEP. Or get Memphis on the death penalty and sign the richest deal in the history of the sport while slithering into Kentucky.
And finally - here is what the NCAA will do:
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I think part of the reason for the NBA "one-and-done" rule
was that kids going to the NBA straight from high school was hurting the professional game
I guess you can argue that a kid who wants to play pro ball out of high school should just go overseas or go to the NBADL, but I think having those kids in the college game is good for college basketball. I think being in college is so much more than just what you do in the classroom, and even if these kids are only there for one year (or really one semester, as in your example), I think the experience is worth it. Who is to say these kids won’t pull a Rolando Blackmon and decide years later that they want that degree, and go back and get it?
NBA is for the NBA
they have ruined the college game and basically the game of basketball as we knew and loved.
I"m with you on what the NCAA will do.They get thier money. Expand to 96 teams and get more money and do nothing to earn that money.
I guess they will do something like with Tiny Gallon when it is an open and shut case and requires no work on thier part.
They are still letting USC slide on thier pro players Mayo and Bush.
This is an interesting opinion
NBA is for the NBA… they have ruined the college game and basically the game of basketball as we knew and loved.
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by run Bevo run on Apr 8, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I think allowing prep and one-and-done players has certainly maimed the college game
Credit to the league for instituting a minimum age, though.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Apr 8, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I would disagree
Take Butler Vs. Duke or any 1st tier programs. Butler is always going to be a school that gets a 4 year player and the other schools get the guys coming in for a year. So it levels the playing field for smaller schools to keep the experienced guys and the bigger schools to get the talent. When it comes tourney time, it’s not out of the realm of possibility for the smaller schools to play with the big boys. Which makes people like me watch more basketball to see the St. Mary’s of the world or the Creighton’s so when it comes tourney time, watching the tourney and filling a bracket is more fun.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
I can see your point
But that parity comes at the expense of player quality. I suppose it’s a matter of taste, whether one prefers to have the stars develop and play multiple seasons at the college level or have more parity. I can see both sides of that discussion.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Apr 8, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
The NBA, not the NCAA, set the one-and-done rule, correct?
I think the NCAA could certainly complement the one-and-done rule by implementing some of these suggestions, particularly the idea about counting scholarships as occupied until a player would normally have graduated (exceptions could be refined to that, though). But I hate that players can go to the pro game so early. A similar problem is one that the NCAA, not the pro leagues, baked: the one-and-done and prep-to-pro nature of college baseball. Some guys jump straight to the minors from high school or after just a year or two of college. I think a big part of that is that college baseball scholarship restrictions and certain parts of the college game (metal bats?) push players to the minors for development, rather than producing players who are MLB-ready right out of college. Heck, even Strasburg’s going to the minors.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
"Heck, even Strasburg’s going to the minors."
But that has way more to do with the Nationals trying to save money and lock Strasburg up for an extra year than how ready he is for the majors. He would easily make their starting rotation, but if they send him to the minors until June, they will get him locked up for an additional year before he becomes a free agent.
You seem to be confused about how the MLB draft works. If kids attend college, they are not eligible for the draft until they have been in school for three years. That is a MLB rule. Thus, there are no players that jump straight to the minors after a year or two of college (unless the minors are not affiliated with MLB).
I guess I was confused. I think I was mixing up the rules for juco and four-year schools, because they’re different. Ah well; I think it’d be a big help if scholarship restrictions weren’t so ridiculously limited. Shouldn’t teams be able to field at least a full field, DH, four-man pitching rotation, and two relievers without having to resort to partial-scholarships and walk-ons? As I recall, much of that is due to the Big Ten’s lobby, although it doesn’t seem to have helped the conference stop sucking at baseball.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Apr 8, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Elible
After Freshman OR Junior years, right?
by DaGoose on Apr 8, 2010 10:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
MLB Draft Rules
- High school players, if they have graduated from high school and have not yet attended college or junior college;
- College players, from four-year colleges who have either completed their junior or senior years or are at least 21 years old; and
- Junior college players, regardless of how many years of school they have completed
I Blame the NBA for the Rule
But the NCAA for letting their institutions get used as a “minor league” for the NBA. Sticking with entrance requirements and getting the coaches to think longer term would be a good start. Did you see the entire starting Kentucky basketball team declared for the draft yesterday? They will still be Kentucky next year with awesome talent, but the teamwork will not be there and I think they will stub their toe continuously with Calipari. Great record – no rings.
It's their rule
It was instituted by the NBA for the blood sucking NBA so they would have the opportunity to evaluate a guy in the ‘minor leagues’ for one year before dishing out big contract bucks. I’m hoping the ‘one-and-dones’ burn them in the same fashion as the kids coming straight out of high school did. Also hope that the whole thing comes crashing down on the NBA next year when they lockout.
Kentucky had better watch out for Butler again next year, Butler returns 5 of their top 6 scorers while Kentucky rebuilds with future NBA picks.
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by SpiritOfTheFedora on Apr 8, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Your ideas seem logical, but.....
You and I both know that the NCAA would never institute all of that stuff. Like burntorangehorn said, the NBA sets the age restrictions on when a prospect can enter the draft, not the NCAA. Therefore, the NCAA is at the NBA’s mercy here. Unless they work together (which I don’t see happening) things will not really get that much better.
I don’t quite agree with your statement that “Often, the player knows he is going to the draft and will literally stop going to school in January.” Yes it happened with Greg Oden and Mike Conley, but who else? Bob Knight has drilled it into our heads that none of these one-and-dones give a crap about school. I disagree. Did you watch Xavier Henry’s emotional press conference yesterday? Does Kevin Durant not go to school anymore? Yes, these kids make a stop for one year, but does that all of a sudden mean that they don’t care about school? Some kids don’t care about school, I get that. However, it seems to me like you are lumping them with the kids who do genuinely care about school, but they have a better opportunity in front of them. The kids who do genuinely care about school could choose to stay in school but they run the risk of ending up like DeSean Butler (going from late 1st round to Undrafted).
I like your idea with coaches and agree with it completely. They should get rid of these coaches that conspire with runners and agents. Not that this really matters, but Memphis didn’t get the death penalty—not even close to it. The had a banner removed and were order to repay the money they recieved for advancing to the championship game. If they got the death penalty they wouldn’t have the #1 ranked recruiting class for 2010, wouldn’t be allowed to participate in postseason tournaments and would have lost some scholarships.
The rule was set by the NBA, not by the NCAA
Are you really expecting the NCAA to say “Gee, based on moral principles, we’re going to turn down the opportunities to get Kevin Durant/Greg Oden/John Wall. We don’t want the extra eyeballs, better caliber of athlete, additional marketing opportunities, or substantial amount of money that goes along with these guys.”
By the way, there’s a non-basketball flipside to this, too. Players like Kevin Durant are exposed to college life, something that I think many of us would agree was good for life and maturity development. That’s something they would miss out on without the one-and-done. Durant now bleeds burnt orange for life, and has seen the opportunity to further his mind by continuing to come back to Austin to finish his degree. Just because he’s damn good and can play professional basketball, you want to DOCK Barnes a scholarship for giving him this eye-opening opportunity?
Make it combination of the rule in college baseball and football
You can be drafted out of high school, you don’t have to sign (anybody drafted will sign), if you don’t get drafted go to college. Can’t be drafted until 3 years removed from highschool. Stay in college for those three years and work on your game
Different scenarios
The football rule is in place due to the idea that high school through sophomore players are not physically ready to meet the demands of the NFL. Amobi Okoye is an interesting case; he started college early and was thus eligible for the draft at a younger age (he was drafted ate age 19). He hasn’t exactly panned out yet, but he hasn’t flamed out either. Either way, thanks to Maurice Clarett, this rule ain’t changing anytime soon.
In baseball, because a major league franchise has to field so many players (including all minor league teams), the rule was instituted to limit the number of players front offices would have to scout. It’s also helpful for colleges, which are on severe scholarship restrictions when compared to football and basketball. Finally, I would think percentage-wise, it’s rare to see the college freshman or sophomore (such as Taylor Jungmann) who takes such a leap from HS that he’s significantly better and ready for the draft before his junior year.
Basketball’s scenario is a lot different. It’s obviously much easier to scout a select number of individuals; the NBA front offices has little problems trying to scout HS seniors through college seniors. The first year of college often serves as a barometer for NBA scouts to evaluate. For example, going into this season, Bradley and Wall might have been lottery locks going into last year’s draft. Their freshmen years pretty clearly differentiated the two: Wall is a pure point with NBA-ready quickness and scoring ability; Bradley is a small 2 with lockdown defense but limited offensive game. Wall will go #1 or #2 with a bullet; Bradley will be lucky to sniff the lottery. See the 2009 draft. Tyreke Evans had a phenomenal freshman year and went #4; Jrue Holiday had a questionable freshman year and went #17 (as an aside, Holiday is a great argument as to why Bradley should leave after this year—he wasn’t fitting in the Howland’s system and has actually been a quasi-success story with Philly). BJ Mullens, who on size potential alone might have gotten picked in the lottery, was exposed at Ohio State and went #24.
Always wondered this
Why football gets a pass and basketball is maligned?
Granted 99% of athletes don’t have the body to survive in the NFL, but if a GM is dumb enough to draft a kid and work him up for a few years why are we stopping it?
Or if a Lebron comes out who does have a man’s body at 18, why can’t he come out? Just because that’s the way it’s always been and basketball is tinkering with their rules at the current time?
Like the steroids argument
Football looks like a bunch of overgrown men trying to kill each other. Baseball/basketball looks more finesse.
Maybe that’s not the case, but that’s just how it’s perceived.
"Either way, thanks to Maurice Clarett, this rule ain’t changing anytime soon."
Umm. Not exactly thanks to Clarett. More like, in spite of Clarett. He tried and got as close as anyone has (won in district court).
“Finally, I would think percentage-wise, it’s rare to see the college freshman or sophomore (such as Taylor Jungmann) who takes such a leap from HS that he’s significantly better and ready for the draft before his junior year.”
Of course, this is probably because the best baseball players generally sign out of high school. If the best basketball players were to sign out of high school, it would be rare for freshmen and sophmores to dominate that sport as well.
Thanks for the reply
When I said thanks to, I meant it sarcastically. So yeah, in spite of.
You’re probably right on that second point, although if you look at 2005 drafts and earlier (before the one and done rule), you still had names like Marvin Williams (Fr), Chris Paul (So), Andrew Bogut (So), Luol Deng (Fr), Andre Iguodala (So), Carmelo (Fr), Bosh (Fr), TJ Ford (So), etc. I’d research further but I’m ready to peace out.
Although Marvin Williams didn't really take a leap at all
He was a bench player for UNC. He would have been a top pick out of high school if he had chosen to go then.
Interesting post
However, I think the arguments are problematic.
“One and Done” students can make a mockery of the educational institution. Often, the player knows he is going to the draft and will literally stop going to school in January. Technically, not even a student athlete at the time of the tourney.
So can any other student athlete. Many athletes who stay longer than a year make a mockery out of school in the major sports because they are banking on a professional career. This is unfortunate, but hardly unique to one-and-dones.
The “One and Done” student is potentially taking a schollie from a true “student athlete”. The person that should be the focus of the NCAA. The person that the NCAA should be fostering for success.
What’s a true student athlete, then? Is it a student who intends to stay all four years? Two? Three? Must he graduate before going pro? What about those athletes with what many consider “joke” degree plans? What about those who stick around and take ballroom dancing for a semester to play one more year? You have to state what you mean by “student-athlete” before claiming that one-and-dones are not true ones.
Often, this athlete knows they are just passing through, and has no real passion for his college choice. Thus helping spawn a cottage industry of seedy characters, and pay for play. When you don’t care about the uni, when you don’t care about the education, it is natural for less than wholesome factors to influence. This industry is growing by leaps and bounds and fortunately the NCAA has aggressively responded by doing nothing.
I kind of agree, but again, this is not unique to one-and-dones, nor should we insinuate that all one and done players are like this. Chris Webber got the Fab 5 erased from the record books and he left as a sophomore.
Entire programs could care less about graduating players. Bob Huggins graduated zero players at Cincy. Bruce Pearl is on same track in Tennessee. Zero. Not even a token nerd at the end of the bench. The NCAA has new program here too – doing less than nothing.
I’m not sure what the NCAA could reasonably do about this. Any other student is free to drop out at any time and not get their degree, so why can they then impose stricter guidelines on those who happen to be athletes? It may not be the coach’s fault that people aren’t graduating. If we eliminate the one and done (which only the NBA can), that doesn’t guarantee a higher graduation rate either.
The NCAA doesn’t need these players at all. The wonderfully entertaining game between Butler and Duke was played essentially without a single player that will contribute in the NBA.
It is worth mentioning that this was considered one of the weakest fields in years. Butler and Duke played a great game. We also saw a great game (and arguably better one, although it didn’t have the “Cinderella” story) between Memphis and Kansas in 2007. And let’s not sell these players short. Some may have a shot at the NBA, and I think Butler’s Gordon Hayward has gotten attention. It’s the coach’s job to recruit talent, and if that player leaves early, it’s not always accurate to fault the coach for recruiting him. I don’t think there’s a single Longhorn fan who thinks Rick Barnes made a mistake getting KD here. Both Magic Johnson and Larry Bird left early to the NBA. You sure the NCAA didn’t “need” those guys? In one sense, of course basketball would go on, but that sure helped raise the level of play.
As for your solutions, I’m not sure how they can work. Why doesn’t a fifth year player not count against the scholarship limit? Most importantly, what kind of justification could there be for eliminating a scholarship for a program that has players leave early? Let’s say a coach recruits a bunch of players and does a great job coaching them up to be great. Four are gone by their sophomore years because they developed to the point that the NBA gave them favorable grades. Are you really saying that that school should be docked FOUR scholarships simply because the coach did his job well? Do you propose this for other sports too?
I’m not exactly sure why we are treating this as a new issue. Players have been leaving early for a long time for a variety of reasons. What happened was that the NBA noticed that teams were increasingly gambling on 18 year olds to find the next Lebron or Kobe, and they decided it was better for their league as a whole to institute an age limit (just like the NFL has one). I don’t see that as un-American; after all, it is within the league’s rights to try to protect the overall quality of their game. They might be WRONG that this helps, but it’s their right to do so.
I’d love to see more aggressiveness on the NCAA’s part to sniff out and punish cheating. However, I’m not sure what they can do about the one and done situation that makes a whole lot of sense.
by TheElusiveShadow on Apr 8, 2010 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Very Valid Counter Points
and I think I may have clouded the issue with too many details – but here is my overwhelming concerns:
1. This is a serious issue for NCAA basketball. Basketball is somwhat unique in the fact that it is the only major sport with players who come in for just a half of a year or a year. Baseball and Football have limitations on draft entrance and the other sports do not have the big payday.
2. I really believe the NCAA is not doing a thing to address the seediness of these situations. I do not think it is a coincidence that OJ Mayo got clumsily handed cold cash and Derrick Rose/Calipari embarrassed Memphis University – and then were “one and done”. Maybe they are so sleazy t hey cannot be embarrassed. For God’s sake a player was murdered at Baylor and the coach was sweating out the illegal payments! At Baylor – before they were good.
3. There are actions they can take. Make coaches responsible for these shenanigans. Make sure the Universities are making some progress on graduating these kids. Make sure the kids have the make up to succeed as a student. Don’t let NBAers take schollies from kids that could use a degree as a critical platform to his/her success.
I agree with a lot of the original post but also see a lot of flaws.
Bottom line, you’re frustrated with college basketball losing the character of having upperclassmen represent the teams & schools that have given them a free education – and worse, mocking that blessing by jumping ship. And also, just imagine how good college bball would be if all those huge talents like KD, Carmelo, Lebron, Beasley, etc… would stay for a few years. I couldn’t agree more.
I couldn’t agree with you more but I honestly don’t think there is a solution. A close solution would be to get the NBA & NCAA to work together to solve it but then Clarett or someone will sue for their own right to do what they want.
As much as I loved having Durant for that one year, I really wish that these one-and-dones would just go to the NBA or a development league, ala minor league baseball. This could be accomplished utilizing US teams and foreign venues. Then, if a kid signs with a college team & takes a scholarship, make ‘em stay ’til they’re Jrs, Srs, 21 years old, whatever. That’s atleast something good about college baseball. Football is pretty much taken care of just because of the A – physical immaturity of underclassmen and B – the draw of college football. Sad thing is, for every Lebron that takes the NBA by storm, there’s probably 20 guys that come in too early physically & maturity-wise that flame out & miss out on a free college education and a nice 15-minutes of fame (4 years) playing for a good college program.
Good post & a tough quandry for any college basketball purist. Give me 20 Royal Ivey’s & Damion James for every one-and-done (unless it’s Carmelo & they win it all!).
Great proposal
I’d be happy to see all of your measures adopted. However, I think the ultimate solution is to drop the hypocrisy and pay the players. Each kid gets a contract and a compensation package that includes a scholarship, living stipend, and trust fund contributions. Based on contract terms, students could transfer, become free agents, or go pro. Schools would operate under salary caps and receive compensation for players lost. Hell, let’s even bring in farm teams and corporate sponsors. If it’s minor league ball they want, let’s do it right.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
I think...
That if a one and done has not completed 24 credit hours when he leaves, that should be a strike against the school under those new graduation regulations (which have no teeth in them) that came out a few years ago. Sure, Calipari can grab one and dones every year, but if they stop going to class in January, his program gets reduced schollies, and whatever other sanctions are supposed to be imposed.

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