2011 Texas Big Board Update: Running Back
Needs: Two or three
| Name | School | JD invite? | Offer? |
Commitment/ odds |
Quick take |
| Brandon Williams | Brookshire-Royal | Feb. 27 -- did not attend |
Not offered |
Committed to Baylor (2/15/10) De-committed from Baylor, Committed to Oklahoma (4/19/10) |
2/10 -- Wow. Gimme, gimme. It doesn't take long for Williams to blow you away on film. Closest thing to Adrian Peterson since AD himself -- runs hard, has elite speed, but is probably an even more polished receiver than AD at the same age. Has the size to be effective in blitz pick up. No questions about size or speed. 3/1 -- After his commitment, the word was that Williams was not planning on taking visits, but will visit Oklahoma -- hard to call a kid who is committed and taking visits a "solid verbal." 3/17 -- Reportedly visited Austin for a practice last week. Safe to say now that his verbal to Baylor is a soft one. 3/28 -- May visit Austin for a second time for the spring game, though it looks like that trip won't happen now. 4/19 -- Supposedly ended his recruitment for good with Oklahoma commitment. Probably a pretty expected loss for Baylor fans, but devastating nonetheless. |
| Malcolm Brown | Cibolo Steele | Feb. 13 | Offered | 70% |
2/10 -- Extremely solidly built back who runs with a bulldozing mentality and has plenty of speed. Elite speed? No, but plenty of speed. The concern is that he isn't a perfect fit in the Texas scheme. 3/22 -- The change in scheme effectively eliminates any concerns about Brown as his balance, toughness, and speed become more apparent over increased film viewing. Film. Consider any and all doubt removed at this point. 4/19 -- Brown revealed this week ($) that he is looking seriously at Texas, 5/12 -- The update from Brown ($) this week is that Oklahoma is still pursuing him despite having limited numbers in the class, as well as Texas, Florida State, and Alabama. TCU appears to have dropped from the mix. |
| Aaron Green | San Antonio Madison | Feb. 13 |
Offered | 35% |
2/10 -- A late injury and an overall subpar junior season has dropped Green's stock a bit, but his sophomore success was not a fluke -- he's an elite talent. 3/28 -- Expected to visit for the spring game. Reportedly not interested in Oklahoma at this point. Film. 4/19 -- Spoke glowingly about his trip to Nebraska for the spring game, calling it a "10." Does, however, like the new changes in the Texas offense to a downhill running scheme. |
| Herschel Sims | Abilene | Feb. 27 -- did not attend |
Not offered |
Committed to Oklahoma State 4/29/2010 |
2/10 -- Excellent receiver and in the return game. Perhaps best pure burst of all the backs. At around 5-8 or 5-9, his size is a concern and he may not project to be an every-down back in college and his ability to pick up the blitz is questionable at best. 3/1 -- Watching him in the state championship left questions about his pure speed. Was basically told by the Texas coaching staff that he was not going to receive an offer at the second Junior Day and did not attend -- Mack Brown and company simply have Brown and Green ranked more highly. 3/17 -- Doesn't have elite burst/speed and is trapped in an undersized body. Even after a spectacular junior season in terms of production and a 5A state championship, Sims' stock is now falling amidst concerns that he doesn't have elite-level quickness. Film. 4/19 -- Rumored that OU has dropped their offer and TCU could now be in the lead. |
| Bradley Marquez | Odessa | Feb. 27 -- did not attend |
Not offered |
Committed to Texas Tech 5/7/2010 |
Big OU fan experienced as a blocker and receiver, but lacks the explosiveness and top-end speed of the top prospects in the class. Second tier. 4/20 -- OU reportedly done with recruiting at the running back position. 5/12 -- Will play football and baseball at Tech after opting to stay close to home when Oklahoma pulled his offer. |
| Daniel Lasco | The Woodlands | Feb. 27 -- did not attend |
Not offered |
N/A |
2/10 -- Burst onto the scene with a huge sophomore season and has excellent speed, but a little lanky and doesn't have a lot of shake in his hips. Questionable if he is a running back at the next level. Reportedly prefers the Florida schools. Second tier. 3/1 -- Looks extremely fast on film and has one-cut ability to fit the zone scheme and could even project as an athlete. Little chance of receiving an offer at this point. Film. |
| Joe Bergeron | North Mesquite | Feb. 13 | Offered |
Committed to Texas (2/13/10) |
2/10 -- Big kid with excellent feet for his size who could be the short-yardage replacement for Cody Johnson and also spend some time at fullback. Virtual lock for commitment. |
Outstanding offers: Malcolm Brown and Aaron Green
Timetable:
- Brown -- Right before or right after the start of football season. In other words, most likely late August or early September.
- Green -- National Signing Day.
Last Update (following Brandon Williams' commitment to Oklahoma)
Moving forward: The only read news is a more firm timeline from Brown, as there doesn't seem to be any movement in terms of the four teams most in contact with him (Brown doesn't even use the term "favorites") and so any ranking of those four teams (Texas, Oklahoma, Florida State, and Alabama) remains purely speculative. Speculation that of course continues to have the Longhorns in a strong position as the coaching staff continues to be "all in" with Brown in regards to recruiting other running backs.
So there doesn't seem to be a back-up plan in place in case Brown commits to another school at the beginning of the football season. If the coaching staff chooses to pursue another running back at that point won't be known. It's possible that the recruitment of Aaron Green would pick up at that point and the football season would allow the coaches to scour the landscape for any other non-committed running backs or even inquire about the interest of a player committed elsewhere. It's even possible that they would send feelers out to Brandon Williams, most likely through his head coach.
In regards to Green, the best-case scenario in his recruitment is that Brown heads elsewhere and the Texas running game takes off during the fall, giving Green a look a more downhill scheme he seems to prefer and the Longhorns pick up a late commitment from the talented back.
As inconceivable as it may have seemed as the recruiting process heated up with the Junior Days back in February, there are enough running backs on the roster to preclude taking another in the class, especially if the interest from Austin Sefereian-Jenkins is legitimate, for instance, or the coaches decide that they need to take another defensive tackle.
In that case, the focus would turn again to 2012, where the Longhorns would have a better shot at landing a top prospect like Johnathan Gray or Spring Dekaney's Trey Williams, an undersized sparkplug of a back who has excellent speed and physicality and told the Rivals Aggie site that he's "really liking UT ($)." If Texas does lose out on both Brown and Green, expect the pressure to ratchet up on Major Applewhite, although the beloved former quarterback will surely remain in his current position at Texas until he decides to leave or Greg Davis retires.
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Thanks for the update GOBR.
It’s pretty simple to me, if Texas doesn’t land Brown, then Texas is failing at running back recruiting. I am getting sick and tired of the wait until next year approach. I think Brown said he really liked Texas as a sophomore – junior too , so I don’t put much stock into Trey Williams statement. Johnathan Gray will be a national recruit in my opinion. The USCs, Miamis, Alabamas, Notre Dames of the world should be very involved with Texas just in the mix. If Daddy played in the NFL, he’s going to be looking hard at schools that can get his son into the league as quickly as possible. Please Major reverse the trend. If not, move Major to another position on the staff. I’m thinking a Ken Norton Jr. kind of coach. Bring in a Texas running back legend to coach the position. Just a suggestion. Given the offensive coaching job security at Texas, I doubt seriously that will happen. I am hoping for the best, but fearing the worst.
by billfromlaketravis on May 12, 2010 7:58 AM CDT reply actions
the major is not to blame
I think more than anything it is the fault of a lack of feature back in the texas offense since jamal charles left that is to blame. I think these kids want to be a feature back like a mark ingram at alabama and they don’t see the opportunity to do so in the running back shuffle at texas with the use of so many different backs. I think if Tre Newton and maybe one other back like cody johnson or chris waley are given the majority of the carries this year and the running game is much improved then we will be fine. If we continue with the running back of the week strategy then we are not going to look attractive to recruits. Mack just needs to pick two guys and stick with them even if they have a bad game or two in terms of yards, now if blitz pick up is an issue that is different.
Do you really think recruiting is the problem?
Mack took the backs he wanted in 2009 and 2010. He has taken one back he already wanted for 2011, and has offers out to only two more. I think there’s a combination of factors holding back the Texas running game, and recruiting is probably smaller than any of them:
1. Scheme. I don’t doubt that Davis can dial up a strong rushing attack, as he did with Charles a few years back, and Cedric, Hodges Mitchell, and Ricky before him. But the pass-happy scheme Davis and Brown have heavily favored in the Colt McCoy era has only given way to one successful rushing year in the past four seasons, and that was actually the Longhorns’ least successful year of football. To me this indicates that the emphasis on the Colt-friendly scheme limited the effectiveness of the running game, and could also indicate that when running a spread, Texas is a better football team when not expending too much effort to establish the running game.
2. Coaching. Major isn’t Rucker. He’s never really coached a strong rushing attack, as far as I’m aware. I think he’ll be fine as an OC someday, and maybe even as a HC, but I don’t think he’s meant to be down in the weeds of running back development.
3. Line coordination. The line has had some great players, and some who aren’t as great, but generally there’s been some dysfunction even between the good players. It hasn’t really seemed like a coherent offensive line, which could have harmed both the passing and running games.
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by burntorangehorn on May 12, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Add one more
4. Evaluation. The backs we have favored recently have not performed at the same level of backs we have passed on or considered equals. The best examples are taking Whaley over C. Michael and making V. McGee/D. Robinson the same priority as M. Goodson.
by Horncasting on May 12, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
D Scott--everyone got that evaluation wrong
Even though we didn’t get him, he has hardly been the talent everyone thought. I wonder what would have happened if he came to Texas.
If you look at the Rodgers brothers at OSU you can see some talent we missed also. However, so many other factors come in to play (Academics) that it is sometimes hard to know why we didn’t go after a talent. Jermie Calhoun at OU was also a marginal student I think.
Evaluation may or may not be part of that
Because honestly, LaDainian Tomlinson was a lesser running back than some others when coming out of high school, but was obviously a superior back by the time he left TCU. A big part of that is development, part of it’s scheme, and part of it’s the line. Also, for Tomlinson, part of it was competition.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on May 12, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Priest Holmes comes to mind. He' still a young man with a wealth of knowledge to share. Not to mention a couple Pro Bowls under his belt.
by billfromlaketravis on May 12, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Does he have any coaching experience?
Being a star player doesn’t always predispose you to being the best coach.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
his style does
he was great because he played the game with a total understanding of it, he was a naturally great athlete but he worked hard and studied the position to an extent that he became great
Agreed
However, there is a difference between how you carry yourself and how hard you work and being able to communicate that information to others. I’m not saying he isn’t capable or qualified, I’m just hesitant to give the reigns to someone who has never coached before, especially at the Division 1 level.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
hey
everybody has to start somewhere, i say let him start here
Pretty high place to start
but to each his own.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
well
theres gotta be worse coaches then arguably the smartest back in UT history
Not saying there isn't
I’m just saying this is UT. If you could attract a high profile position coach why would you give the job to a guy who has never done the job before. You wouldn’t go to a first year med student for brain surgery.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
his experience level
is not analogous to a first year med student. at worst he’s a third year surgery resident.
I disagree
but that is neither here nor there
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
actually it is
Neurosurgery takes 4 years of medical school followed by six years of neurosurgery residency (one as general surgery intern). That’s a total of 10 years spent in the proposed field working under experts.
Priest Holmes worked under experts for four years in college and 10 years in the NFL. To suggest that this level of experience is equal to a first year medical student is either to underestimate Priest’s powers of observation or to overestimate the knowledge base of a first year medical student. Trust me, MS1’s know nothing of consequence.
Oh brother
It wasn’t meant as literal as you are taking it. There is a difference still between playing experience and coaching experience and that is where I took the 1st year med student analogy from.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Priest Holmes was definitely one of the NFL greats ...
… but there’s no way it would be a good idea to break him in as UT’s RB coach as his first coaching gig. There’s gotta be atleast 50 TX HS coaches who would be more effective in this role. If there’s merit there with Priest or any other former great RB, let him start out as an intern to see how he’ll do. Major is still a top assistant, IMO.
Can you imagine Ricky Williams as the RB coach
Dude!
Not saying Holmes couldn’t be good, but being a talented RB doesn’t make you coach material. However, big named guys being assistants is a great recruiting tool.
Yeah, Ricky would be a pretty bad pick IMO
I love the heck out of that guy, but I don’t think he relates well with people in the way a coach should.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on May 12, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The 30 for 30 show on him was really different than I expected.
Hands down, greatest RB I ever saw … but dude’s a little loopy.
I actually share a lot of personality traits with him
And combined with PTSD from Iraq, it has manifested itself badly at times. In his case it’s not PTSD, but rather being in the spotlight all the time. I definitely felt for the guy, and I’m thrilled he seems to be dealing with things much better these days. He definitely went through some dark times.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on May 12, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks for the update
you guys do a great service for the longhorn community.
it is not surprising to me that attracting a franchise running back is difficult right now. had we been giving out the message the past few years that we don’t give a hoot for running the ball right now, i think we would be better off. but since we have said every year that we were going to ‘fix’ the running game and then have done nothing about it, we have painted ourselves into a corner that it will not be easy to paint ourselves out of.
tre newton, for example, is a fine running back. when he has nowhere to go, it isn’t his fault or his position coach’s fault. the running game problems have been systemic and getting them to go away is going to prove to be a gut-wrench effort that i don’t know if we are willing to take. i don’t blame an excellent running back for having a missouri attitude.
by rumplestiltsglenn on May 12, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions
Interesting that OU is still after Brown
If they got Brown to add to the pretty good catch they made last year with Finch and Clay, then don’t you think B Williams would have to serious think about talking to Texas?
I think OU is after Brown more to keep him away from us than to think they will get Williams and Brown to keep commits. It would suck if they did get both though.
If I were them, I'd try to get him just so he doesn't come to Texas!!
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
Darrell Scott
Just a reminder that “highly rated” out of HS does not always translate to game day talent. And, also a reminder of how wicked Mack Brown’s curse can be. Wonder what he thinks of his decision these days.
I think you're reaching on this...
It’s even possible that they would send feelers out to Brandon Williams…
Are you developing Have you developed a full on mancrush?!
Thanks for the updates GoBR. I really hope we land Brown so the handwringing is held in check.
If he hasn't, I have.
I don’t relish the day that we have to stop Brandon Williams
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Yes
I am completely and totally smitten.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 12, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I so agree with you and "Chetch"
He’s got “it” and an abundance of “it”.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on May 12, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too GoBR
B Williams has been my favorite from the first time you posted his film. I admittedly know nothing of evaluation, but even I could tell that kid is special.
If he stays north of the Red river however, I will hope I am wrong – or that he gets food poisoning or flu-like symptoms every October.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
multiple RB's playing
I keep seeing people complaining about Texas playing so many RB’s. Most teams in college and pro play several RB’s each game. Its more rare to find teams that just use one RB. I don’t see a problem with Texas playing several RB’s each game. The running game will improve with the new blocking schemes. The RB’s Texas has now are fine and if they get M. Brown it will be great.
i think 84 is right . . .
. . . but i want to see it.
by rumplestiltsglenn on May 12, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not like playing multiple RB's is by design for UT
It is because all of them have been given a legitimate chance to be “the” guy and all of them have either not produced, been constantly hurt, been out of shape, or a combination of those.
by Horncasting on May 12, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
No consistency at the position
absolutely right.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
The position of RB
The OL has been consistent…even if its consistently mediocre.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
multiple guys playing
because of situation or injury is fine, but I’d like to see the first three games of the season be an audition. Each back with a legit chance to be the guy gets one half where they play nearly every snap. After those three games you pick one. After that he plays until injury or scoreboard dictates that the second string guy comes in.
Running game this year
It has the chance to be really good. The secondaries are going to have to play pretty honestly because we have some serious speed with Goodwin on the field and if he gets a step on them he’s gone. So, maybe the deep threat with GG and co. will open up some more running opportunities.
Since when did a position coach . . .
. . . at Texas assume full responsibility for the recruitment of players at the position he coaches? Since when did a position coach become responsible for the lack of talent of players who were already in the program when he was hired?
If Whaley and Shead fail and if Brown, Green, and Williams all sign elsewhere, then some criticism of Major (and frankly the entire offensive staff along with the head coach) will be in order. But unless that happens all the Major criticism related to our RB situation needs to be recognized for the ignorance and/or lingering bitterness over the Applewhite/Simms controversy that it is.
by jpsantini on May 12, 2010 1:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Akina is the area recruiter for the San Antonio area
but Applewhite has been handling the recruitments of Brown and Green.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 12, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
And if Applewhite gets Brown who is one of the best RB's in the country...
I hope that everyone who has been complaining gives props accordingly.
by BeeCaveHornFan on May 12, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, it's not just about getting the player
A coach can be a really good recruiter without actually being very good at developing the talent he recruits. Charlie Weis comes to mind.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on May 13, 2010 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I loved Applewhite as a player at Texas
Coaching, hmmm… The young man has to prove himself. Texas is trying to demonstrate running back recruits that they are more than a quarterback centered offense, by having a former star quarterback coach the running backs. Perception is important. Bottom line is we need to draw that line in the stand and get a commitment from Brown to show we can attract a national running back recruit.
by billfromlaketravis on May 12, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
“It’s not like playing multiple RB’s is by design for UT It is because all of them have been given a legitimate chance to be "the" guy and all of them have either not produced, been constantly hurt, been out of shape, or a combination of those.” — Horncasting
. . . or simply lacked the ability to produce, which imo is the real problem — and a problem that surprisingly few Horns fans seem to understand.
Ricky Williams, Cedric Benson, and Jammal Charles were all NFL first rounders. Not only will Tre, Vondrell, Fozzy, or CJ fail to be drafted in the first round but none of the four will be drafted period.
by jpsantini on May 12, 2010 2:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think Jammal was a 3rd rounder
but point made.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
He left after his Junior year
not sure if he left for that reason or the riches. If he has another year like this year, though, he will get a big time contract.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
The recent story
was that the coaches wanted him to stop running track to concentrate on football and he didn’t want to do that.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 12, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the implication was he needed to spend more effort in football.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on May 13, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure, but I got the feeling he felt like it was a bait-and-switch
He was told he could do both, and then was told to stop. I sure wouldn’t have liked that.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on May 13, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
“Akina is the area recruiter for the San Antonio area but Applewhite has been handling the recruitments of Brown and Green.” — GBR
No, not solely. It is extremely rare if it ever occurs that a position coach is solely responsible for the recuitment of such high profile players.
And what’s more even if that were to be the case then that would represent a serious, serious flaw in Texas’ recruiting process.
But, as I say, that is not the way it works.
by jpsantini on May 12, 2010 2:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
"I loved Applewhite as a player at Texas Coaching, hmmm…
. . . The young man has to prove himself." — billfromlaketravis
Applewhite is a fairly proven commodity in college coaching ranks at this point.
Let me suggest this to you: If the RB coach at Texas was named Harold Smith instead of Major Applewhite he would seldom if ever get mentioned in the recruiting saga of Malcolm Brown.
by jpsantini on May 12, 2010 2:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I still consider Major to be one of the top rising assistants in the college game ...
… but him being a former QB is still a very valid point that can be debated when talking RB recruiting.
Great Coaches bring out the Best in their players
I am not a Major basher, but I haven’t seen anything to validate his coaching skills. That said, I also think G. Davis is more responsible for the lack of running game and it is something that they either fix together this year, or else.
I'm a Major apologist
so I’ll give that away up front. However, being a former college quarterback gives him a lot of insight into coaching running backs. Think about the things they coach:
Ball Security – important for the quarterback to know
Steps – quarterback knows steps the runninback takes on a play (counter, draw etc)
Vision – quarterback reading the defense
Blocking – Quarterback always know blocking schemes and often adjusts it
I realize this is just a small picture but the point is with him having been an offensive coordinator and his playing experience I think that translates to the RB position. Does he have the obvious experience? No. But he has other experiences and the knowledge of the position in order to coach it effectively in my opinion
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
You're preachin' to the choir. I said it's a valid point - not that I necessarily agree with it.
I’m with you. Major is a stud – as a player & as one of the best young coaches in the game. I’ve got absolutely no problem w/ him as RB coach. Don’t understand why others are so critical. Like you said, I think a former QB could probably see all those RB skills even better than a young RB himself.
However, I’m lookin’ at it from a recruit’s perspective. I sure as heck can’t guess the strange inner workings in the minds of these 18-yr old recruits but I’ve heard several times that Major not being a former RB is some kind of negative to them. I definitely don’t agree but I think it’s still a valid debate, nonetheless. I don’t think it has anything to do with the way Major recruits, rather, it has to do with the recruit’s guesses at how he’ll be coached once in Austin.
Its a completely subjective point
But I see the validity in it as well. I guess my point is that I’m not willing to give up on a great young coach because of something we don’t know or can prove.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Nor am I. Major is just one cog right now of an incredible UT staff.
Questioning his recruiting abilities vs. the whims of 18-yr-old kids is just ridiculous. I’ll defend his abilities to anyone & I hope he’s our OC & eventual HC one day.
". . . but him being a former QB
. . . is still a very valid point that can be debated when talking RB recruiting." — robthecob
It is about as valid as saying that since Muschamp played safety in college he should leave the recruiting of LBs like Jordan Hicks to recruiters who actually played LB in college.
by jpsantini on May 12, 2010 4:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
1st you dispute GoBR's recruiting accuracy, then you bark at me. I'm honored!
I won’t waste time nitpicking for other references but I recall a small handful of RBs, their parents, some media, & even several BONers actually questioning former QB Applewhite’s skill & credentials in recruiting & coaching RBs. I totally disagree with ‘em … but it still doesn’t mean it’s an invalid debate. Recruits voice legit personal concerns all the time.
So, to play off your inane Muschamp reference, you’re of the opinion that Ken Norton, Jr. gains no advantage coaching & recruiting LBs because of his experience as a great LB? He’s a LB-recruiting machine! In turn, I think a RB coach could benefit from having been a RB but, just like CoachEtch said, Major has some other lucrative experience in being a former QB that a former RB may not have. Major, particularly, has the talent & acumen to coach any offensive position.
I think defense is much different from offense
Key in this case is the fact that QB and RB are significantly farther apart in what needs to be coached than are safety and linebacker, at least in any defense I ever played.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on May 13, 2010 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions
okay...
…after scrolling down this entire post, I thought I might help you out. Here’s how to reply. Also, learn how to use block quotes after you reply to the certain person (it’s much easier to follow your point). It’s pretty simple; all you have to do is highlight their text, and then hit the 4th icon ("), and
then your post will look like this.Just helping.
by vy til i die on May 13, 2010 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyway, why are we pretending
. . . that Mack Brown is not the chief recruiter for Malcolm Brown just as he’s been the chief recruiter for virtually every other difference-maker signed in the Mack Brown era, especially in the pre-Boom era?
Why the obsession in this case with the recruiting ability of the position coach when that has hardly ever been the case in the recuitment of highly regarded prospects in the past?
In the past it’s always been, “Reel him in, Mack!”
Now for some reason a few Texas fans are saying, “Don’t lose him, Major!” which is very, very strange.
Betcha those few fans will be the first to give full credit to Mack if Brown signs with Texas and full blame to Applewhite if he doesn’t.
by jpsantini on May 12, 2010 5:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Because Brown is limited in his ability to have contact with the recruits
and especially limited in the time that he can spend at a school talking with them. Mack offers them in his office and sometimes closes with them when he takes in-home visits. Otherwise, he is pretty removed from the day-to-day recruiting of every player.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 12, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
This is ridiculous
No, not that you can’t use blockquotes…… that you are so sensitive to present and possible future criticism of Major.
Anytime a name (like Major is at UT) gets hired as a coach at his alma mater he is going to have more eyes on him than many of the other coaches.
Also, when he gets hired to coach a position that he didn’t play, and then that position struggles, or continues to struggle, of course he is going to be put under scrutiny.
And when he is heavily (and GoBR – or anyone else for that matter – never used the words completely or solely) involved in the recruitment of a National top 5 player at that position – yes his name will be mentioned on this site.
He will get plenty of credit if M. Brown comes aboard, and yes, he will get plenty of blame if not.
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So Mack's rep as a great recruiter
. . . is more myth than reality?
by jpsantini on May 12, 2010 9:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
No.
But the assistant coaches deserve a lot of credit for all the hard work that they do because they are the ones on the road all the time traveling to high schools. The assistant coaches identify the prospects and move the information up the ladder.
Brown deserves credit for establishing the climate that helps the prospects feel comfortable and for going through the tough task of deciding which of the many diehard Texas fans who play high school football are going to get the offers. Brown has put together the staff that does such a good job out on the road and his ability to put kids into the league has helped sustain recruiting momentum, as well as the success that he has orchestrated on the field.
There is plenty of credit to go around.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 12, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I never thought I'd see the day...
…that everyone would be jumping all over Major. Major is a gamer…he’s going to come through and pull Malcolm Brown and everyone will forget that they complained about him on this thread.
What Irritates Me
Is that when we don’t get the top back – we often take a mediocre one. Now, we feel we still have a major need at RB and yet have like 7-8 on the roster. If we don’t get Brown/Green – lets move on to 2012. The last thing we need is to go to say Lasco.
I don't think many mediocre backs have been taken
2010: Traylon Shead, four stars
2009: Chris Whaley (athlete), four stars
2008 was a little different, because it had a several projection RBs. Hales was a four-star sort of RB/WR, and Fitzhenry had three stars even as projected from a quarterbacking background. Jeremy Hills was four stars. Tre Newton, three. Turns out the most impactful of any of the RBs over the past three classes has been a three-star player. Kind of like Colt McCoy at QB.
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by burntorangehorn on May 13, 2010 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
i still wish
Fitzhenry had been given a shot at RB.
There's plenty of RB talent there but youth & injuries have just held back their performance so far.
I can see value in pretty much every back Texas has signed recently and many are contributing. Since Brown or Green could conceivably wait ‘til NSD to commit, I don’t see a scenario where Lasco or others will get an offer.
I agree
And Bergeron is no slouch and should be helping to fill holes. I’d rather save our precious few spots for 5 star talents like Austin S-F than to just take another RB that won’t likely see the field.
Marquis Anderson is a sooner, Malcolm Brown to follow?
I wonder how close these two are and if Anderson’s decision to be a sooner, could influence Browns decision.
Don't think so.
I think Brandon Williams already having committed there will factor more largely into the decision and I think I saw that the Oklahoma coaches are going to sit down and figure out where they are with scholarships too, so I don’t know how long that offer will still be on the table for Brown.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 13, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
What about Bergeron?
this kid is no slouch. If we miss the boat on Brown and Green do you think he could be a every down back for us or are they dead set on him being a FB.
I think he could be a good short-yardage back
and he has some upside as a guy who could carry the ball more. I think he’s kind of a taller, slightly lighter version of Cody Johnson, complete with the solid speed and good feet for his size. The coaches at times have wanted Johnson to earn more carries, so, no, I don’t think Bergeron can completely be pegged as a fullback.
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