Muschamp Rumors Won't Go Away
With news that Texas Athletic Director Deloss Dodds will likely receive a contract extension in the midst of the turbulence surrounding possible conference realignment, speculation has started anew about the future of Will Muschamp at Texas.
The obvious ramification is that the extension will delay Mack Brown's possible move from head coach to athletic director, a move that Texas continues to deny.
The next step for football writers looking to find something to talk abut in the off-season is to start speculating about Muschamp becoming impatient and taking another job, speculation fueled in some measure by Brown not only refusing to give a timetable, but seemingly feeling more comfortable in his job than at any other point in his tenure at Texas.
So in wades the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Tony Barnhart, one of the most respected college football writers around, teasing that Muschamp "could be available for the 2011 season" and basically laying out the current situation as described above.
The point of all this is just that Texas fans needs to be prepared for this type of speculation several times a year until Mack Brown steps down as coach -- it's a fabric of the landscape now. And, hey, that's better than the alternative, which is watching Coach Boom from afar as he leads another team.
Oh yeah, and it's also a slow news day in the world of Texas sports (I'mjustasbadastheyareforusingthesameexcuse).
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let me save everyone some time. muschamp aint going anywhere. texas isnt going to the pac 10. this must be a really boring off season this year
“The next step for football writers looking to find something to talk abut in the off-season is to start speculating about Muschamp becoming impatient and taking another job, speculation fueled in some measure by Brown not only refusing to give a timetable, but seemingly feeling more comfortable in his job than at any other point in his tenure at Texas.”
adding fuel to the fire
ps – word on the street is that vince young is opening a steakhouse in austin. and thats the double truth, ruth
"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"
by greenspointexas on May 14, 2010 1:58 PM CDT reply actions
CAN I PLEASE ASK A QUESTION?
No where have I been able to read something precise like which school is interested, what contact has been made or anything.
Just because Dodds is being given an extension doesnt mean that Muschamp will automatically leave and SEC schools will make him HC.
It seems these ‘respected’ writers are the same that said it was 100% that there was no place for VY with the Titans and that he would definitely be traded.
I think its offseason, news channels need news, and if there is none, they want to make things when there is nothing real…
I guess my main question is give me some precise details about who said they have offered muschamp, and if muschamp showed interest or anything…
by vanterminatorhorn on May 15, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
There hasn't been any contact this off-season, most likely
The only reason Barnhart is talking about it is based on the assumption that Brown will continue coaching because of Dodds’ contract extension and that Muschamp will become impatient as a result and start looking around.
There are differing stories about whether Muschamp took a serious look at Tennessee — some reports had him seriously considering it, while others had him basically blow it off. Impossible to know. Don’t think that there have been any close calls yet, though.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 15, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Any Texas fan who wants Mack Brown
. . . to move “up” to AD or, heaven forbid, to resign just to keep Boom on the forty hasn’t really thought this thing through.
by jpsantini on May 14, 2010 1:59 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
True
But Mack is retiring at some point. The idea of Muschamp taking over keeps me rested at night. The defense under Boom is clearly better than anything we’ve seen under Brown and I’m convinced he’s head coaching material right now. Muschamp is the best Defensive Coordinator in college football right now and it’s not even close. The LSU/Georgia scenarios are not good. I think Les is in trouble and might do a Tubby Smith.
I’m also not convinced anymore that Mack wants the AD job. Dodds was retained further to help lead us during the realignment talks, not because of anything Mack has said to anyone.
Dude, you nailed it.
Dodds is being retained for longer to help us in the realignment talks. He’s obviously the best AD in the country and we need to make sure Texas comes out on top in all of this realignment business. Once this stuff is done, Dodds can ride into the sunset as a Texas legend and if Mack wants the gig, he’ll take it and Muschamp will take the Texas football head coaching gig.
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
Hey, maybe Mack wants to pull a Joe Paterno
That guy’ll be coaching 50 years from now, if we let corpses coach.
TEXAS FIGHT
IF Coach Boom wanted to go
He would already be gone. Clearly he has had plenty of opportunities to leave and it is clear that he is having fun and enjoying his job in Austin.
I immediately thought about the rumormill starting when I read about Dodd’s contract extension. It is just a little bit of business details and it isn’t changing Coach Boom’s decision to stay or leave.
I generally agree
but I think he would have to think long and hard if Georgia fires Richt and comes calling. That could be a problem. LSU is a slight concern, but other than that, I think Muschamp is being honest when he says that Texas is the best job in the country. Because it probably is, although I guess you could make an argument for USC or Florida — all three are right there in the mix.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 14, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
This is how I imagine it:
Muschamp: Listen, DeLoss, UGA fired Richt and are offering me —
Dodds: I’ll double it.
Muschamp: But then I’d be making more than Mack.
Dodds: I’ll triple it.
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on May 14, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ha.
Could definitely see that happening. They would throw the bank at him to keep him, I bet.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 14, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Muschamp is making borderline HC money right now with about 1/8 the responsibilities and absolutely no pressure on him. Why not pad the bank account for a few more years before signing his big HC contract? Because when he does get his HC gig, yeah, he’ll get a big payout, but he’ll also stick his neck on the line and incur more risk.
If he jumps to Georgia next year, sure he’ll pocket several million dollars, but if he doesn’t turn the program around quickly, he may get canned, and if he does REALLY poorly, he may never find a HC job again, meaning that one-time big payout is all he gets. But if he rides his $1m per year plus bonuses for a while a Texas, then signs a huge contract, he probably more than doubles his “guaranteed” career earnings.
by BrooklynHorn on May 14, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's hard to extrapolate what other people would do
but a million a year ain’t bad while waiting for one of the top jobs in the country. He could stay and continue to build on the recruiting machine that is so critical to long term success. A guy and his family only need so many millions. Muschamp doesn’t strike me as requiring filthy lucre.
"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal
by SpiritOfTheFedora on May 14, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
The question with Georgia is can they afford a coaching shake-up?
They will still owe Mark Richt $8 million, and they just signed Todd Grantham to a $2.25 million deal as well.
These ridiculous salaries that head coaches and coordinators are getting these days are all well and good for programs like Texas that have money coming out their ears, but programs that have made bad coaching hires are really hurting because of it. Look what giving Franchione that absurd contract extension did to A&M’s finances. I know a couple of Georgia fans who don’t expect Richt to be fired anytime soon based solely on the amount of money that is tied up in his and his staff’s contracts.
Georgia and LSU are top 10 national jobs
What jobs has Muschamp turned down? Tennessee? Clemson? Are their others?
Look, all he’s proven is that he won’t leave Texas for a job like Tennessee. But UGA and LSU are much better programs.
Tennessee is a pretty goof job
probably better than Georgia, but Muschamp went to Georgia. LSU is top notch as well.
by Longhorns84 on May 15, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
One Question
Everyone’s worried about him going to an SEC school, mainly Georgia or LSU. Now given UGA is his alma mater, who’s to say he doesn’t go there, coach a couple years, Mack retires and we offer him the HC job then? Don’t you think he’d probably take it? Again, I know it’s his alma mater, but would you rather coach at Georgia or Texas? Maybe I haven’t thought this all the way through. Am I missing something?
'Til Gabriel blows his horn...
They'll put a clause in his contract
Especially after the Tennessee fiasco, they are not going to want a “rent a coach” situation knowing Texas wanted him as a coach.
if he goes gaga, don't expect to see him here again
we just witnessed the ugly spectacle of rich rod leaving his alma mater. yes, much of the ugliness was due to r-rod’s misbehavior, but the anger of the w virginians would have been intense regardless. because it was his alma mater, it was very personal.
if it never works out for a coach to return to his school, it isn’t that big a deal. but if he were to go there and then wanted to go elsewhere, it could be very unpleasant.
by rumplestiltsglenn on May 14, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Barnhart is getting as bad as Chris Low was about the Tennessee rumors
He wants so badly for Mark Richt to get fired and Muschamp to take his place that he just can’t help himself but to extrapolate the future of Texas football from a decision to give DeLoss Dodds a much-deserved extension.
And I agree on Eskimohorn’s point about Mack’s interest in the AD job. People have taken these assumptions and run wild with them all because Mack’s contract says “hey, if you decide to stop coaching before 2016, we’ll still pay you your $5 million a year to show your face around Bellmont every once in a while.”
If anything, Mack’s pay raise and DeLoss’s extension should leave Will Muschamp feeling pretty damned good about the fact if he does his job, he’s going to be rewarded handsomely for it, both in dollars and in support from the university.
I don't see Mack moving into the AD chair.
by the other Andrew on May 14, 2010 3:16 PM CDT reply actions
agree
Deloss Dodds makes $700M a year and he has to manage every administrative facet of Texas’ major sports and gets 1/20th the perks that Mack currently gets as Head Coach of football. At TX, the AD job is a big step down from being the head coach of the football team. Mack is not going to be AD at TX…ever.
$700k not $M
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Yeah that $700M would certainly make up
for the 1/20th perks Mack would lose out on.
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground. I was bummin' in a hole-in-the-wall town in what is now called "Utah".
ah yes in some business circles
M = thousand and MM = million. but yeah 700K.
I'm pretty sure Mack would still get the perks
Just like I’m pretty sure DKR can say he wants anything and there are 5-10 people that would be at his front door in 4 minutes to oblige.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on May 15, 2010 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions
you're bad, gobr
you’re just bad.
i don’t know why we should think the boom rumors will go away when he ascends. remember the yearly wail that bob stoops used to milk?
regarding plans for mack: i’ve heard on-the-street gossip that mack has no desire to oversee all of men’s athletics, and that we have given some thought to splitting off the football oversight into a subsidiary role reporting to deloss. that would relieve deloss of one of the most demanding parts of his job without his losing control and would put one of the best administrators i’ve ever seen in a supervisory situation over the one game he knows and really cares for. we know mack and deloss are simpatico. seems like a fixus nolo braino to me.
if so, sorry, tony.
and regarding boom: he is young and time is on his side. the extent to which he can internalize what mack is doing and meld it with his own personality and strengths will likely be a huge factor in his success in the next role, particularly early on. my great hope is that he is patient and will assimilate lots. there is no better head man in the game than mack brown. especially when you consider what he means to the ongoing lives of his charges. that’s the kind of of coach and man i hope we have in will muschamp.
by rumplestiltsglenn on May 14, 2010 5:26 PM CDT reply actions
May I add
that Dodds is 72…..I’m not wishing any health problems on him or anything of the sort. He seems to be in great health and obviously loves his job….but I’m just being realistic.
Plus, who’s to say he will want to remain AD for the remainder of his contract?!? You see pro athletes, coaches, and anyone else under “contract” retire early and not fulfill their contract because of health issues or they just want to relax or try something else. And like mentioned previously by “Eskimohorn” – maybe this is just to get Texas through any conference realignment period if that comes to fruition (or the discussion talks).
I’m not going to start losing any sleep just yet.
Replacement for Dodds
I tend to agree with the opinions expressed here that Muschamp is more likely than not going to wait Mack out to coach here and that Mack will not be our next AD. And, if Muschamp were to leave first, I’ll wish him all the best, but I think we’ll be OK.
But one think I’ve realized while reading this thread is how little speculation there’s been on BON (or if it’s been here, I’ve missed it) over who might be replacing Dodds in, say, three years when he might be done. As pointed out, at 72, it’s something to contemplate despite the extension being negotiated.
Assuming Brown isn’t in play, are there any internal candidates being groomed for the top spot, or is Texas likely to turn to the outside? And if looking outside, who might come under consideration?
Now, if you excuse me, I need to wear the Hopkins half of my name this morning for a couple of house. Beat Duke!
by Hopkins Horn on May 15, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
A little perspective . . .
When Will Muschamp leaves (not if) we’ll be losing a great DC, not a great head coach. Everyone needs to realize this.
Mack will coach another 5 to 10 years if we’re lucky — and fwiw I think we will be. By then Muschamp will be long gone, but that’s OK.
Relatively OK, I mean. OK in the sense that Will Muschamp was never going to be the head coach at Texas. OK in the sense that the ingenious use of the head-coach-in-waiting strategy will have served its purpose.
You might at this point ask, “Served its purpose? But how will the HC-I-W strategy have served its purpose if Muschamp doesn’t become the head coach at UT?”
Fair question and here’s the answer:
There is a widespread misconception about just exactly what Texas wanted to accomplish by naming Will Muschamp the HC-I-W. Well, first you have to understand that it was never about lining up Mack Brown’s successor. Let me repeat that since so many seem to think that this emphatically was the reason for the addition of the HC-I-W clause to Boom’s contract.
The HC-I-W thing at Texas was never about lining up Brown’s successor at Texas.
At least not primarily about that. Were Boom to actually succeed Brown it would have to be regarded as a fortuitous bonus from Texas’ perspective because it was never Texas’ motivation for offering Muschamp this deal.
Texas made Boom the HC-I-W to secure his services as DC for as long as possible.
Mack, whose idea this was in the first place, obviously understands this better than anybody; Dodds, who went along with the idea but (and this is crucial to understanding what Texas’ motivation in doing this deal was) [i]did not initiate it[/i], knows it as well; and so does Coach Boom, who of course is no one’s fool.
About the only people who are interested in this who don’t seem to understand what’s going on here are the Texas fans.
by jpsantini on May 15, 2010 1:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
So you’re saying the main reason we made him HCIW was to fool him into staying as DC with no real intention to make him head coach unless Mack happened to retire in the next couple of years?
I highly doubt that.
i double the doubt.... no one is here to fool anyone
there are obviously some plans that are not disclosed, and for some good reason
by vanterminatorhorn on May 15, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t see how your logic is premised in anything but speculation about what goes on behind the scenes of Texas football negotiations. I certainly credit the possibility that your reasoning is grounded in some truth (and by that i mean it’s to milk more DC time out of coach Boom than might have been reasonable had we not offered him HC-IW), but to so adamantly suggest that we are naive or don’t understand the “truth” of what’s going on, or that your position is that much more relevant is complete hypocrisy.
Don’t get me wrong – I think your argument is cogent and grounded in the logic of the real world of business so I am not attacking that. But why would Boom come to Texas in the first place with only the intentions of being the DC with probably no relatively short-term upward mobility (and you are suggesting Boom knows this too), and leave the SEC with which he is so familiar with, not to mention so highly coveted. Sure, Texas is a top-notch elite program, and right now better than most SEC gigs. But come on, look at how fickle head coaching positions are. Boom could easily land one if he wants. Why sign a contract with Texas to become DC, if many in the SEC are willing to offer him HC positions? It’s not like the SEC is lacking talent anyway. Look at what Boom has done to the D in the last 2 1/2 years. He’s recruiting elite, national, defensive talent that we only used to dream about. You don’t think he’d be able to do that in the SEC right now? My bet is that his name would bring in the stars to his program. The possibility that he never becomes Texas HC is really low in my opinion. Your argument is compelling, but the situation weighs too heavily against what you’re suggesting.
by LonghornHoosier on May 15, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
He left Auburn
because a) Texas is a better program (i.e. a promotion), b) he had inner workings of the Auburn situation and knew it was a shitstorm. He took a better job (that I assume paid him more) and got himself out of the looming problem at Auburn. That was an easy decision to make.
Muschamp wasn’t getting SEC head coaching offers when he was the DC at Auburn. He’s getting them because of the work he’s doing at Texas.
How long do you think Muschamp will wait? I don’t think there’s any chance he waits till the end of Brown’s current extension in 2016. My gut tells me that there would need to be some sort of succession plan for him by the end of 2011 season, at the latest.
The question boils down to
how long you see Muschamp being content in only the DC role?—a question I believe that is open to a fair amount of date.
Does anybody really believe Muschamp will stay here until Brown completes his contract in 2016?
Where are you getting a lot of this information?
You state some pretty speculative things as fact, so I assume you somehow know some things that we don’t.
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on May 16, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Will
Doesn’t anybody remember not six months ago or less when Will came out and said he did not know where the rumors about him leaving for tenn. Well it is just another rumor to get everyones bloodboiling. Will is not going anywhere. He is settled in at Austin and his wife and kids would murder him if he even had any inkling of leaving. Now everybody just let this BS die a natural death and get back to studing for finals and for the alums to go back to work. Will is staying right here.
Lets be real guys.......
if Richt gets canned Muschamp is most likely gone. Would you blame him? I wouldnt be upset with him at all. Obviously I dont want that to happen, but its a top shelf job in the SEC at his alma mater. Lets all root hard for UGA this season.
Vince Young = Greatness
Seriously Texas fans....
Quit whining like you did after the Alabama loss. If Muschamp leaves, he leaves. Can you really blame him? He’s the best D coordinator in the game today. I feared the fact when I first found out that he was going to Tejas. And well, there was reason for me to fear……..Anyhow, how long do you delusional Tejas fans believe that he will stay around? Is it because his wife loves Austin? Come on now. If you’re Will Muschamp and Georgia comes calling, your alma matter, why stay in Austin? Is it because the recruiting argument? I’d leave in a heartbeat. I’m all for raises and promotions and Muschamp deserves one. But then again, with Deloss turning 72, Mack might be gone Sooner than we think and you all would get your wish, there’s absolutely no telling. The fact that he stayed true to his word by not leaving showed when Tennessee was looking for a new head poncho. However, I just can’t see him hanging around too much longer in Mack’s shadow. JoePa is in his freaking 80’s and is still doing great things. Mack Brown is not near as old as JoePa and is the head poncho (regarding college football) in the lone star state, so why would he retire anytime soon? Muschamp is a great assistant and is by far ready for the HCing gig in my opinion…… I hope your fear continues to increase in regards to this years mean OU squad. Revenge will be sweet this October …….BOOMER!
dude, seriously
go fuck yourself. who the fuck cares what sooners think. fuck em, up the ass (im sure you guys like that too)
by vanterminatorhorn on May 15, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Highly inappropriate
No reason to stoop to his level.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 15, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is whining?
I don’t think you understand the definition of the word.
Why stay in Austin? Because it’s a far better job than Georgia.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 15, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
BOOMER
What, you have nothing better to do than comment on UT blog site? If Muschamp leaves, he leaves. At least he gets consideration for HC jobs unlike your DC. Anyway, go back to norman and do something productive like dig a tornado shelter – you douche.
Texas fans should not really be surprised
as he will eventually take a job as HC
It will occur before Brown leaves
Especially if UGA comes open…he is gone in a heartbeat
There's no way to know that
Muschamp would absolutely leave for Georgia.
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on May 15, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
While I wouldn't be surprised if Muschamp leaves if Brown intends to stay for several more years
I doubt UGA will look overly appealing if they fire a coach with a 70% winning percentage in the SEC and 77% overall.
It was a different era of college football when Bear Bryant’s momma called.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on May 15, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
While it wouldnt surprise me if Muschamp left for another school
I dont think it will happen. He has too much to gain here.
Muschamp’s stock has been rising every year. If he has a bad year or two, he could lose some steam. The truth is, within the next year or two he will have reached the ceiling on quality job offers, jobs equal to the Texas HC position.
recruiting is to be considered
I think that one crucial factor that Texas has over any of the SEC teams right now is that UT basically has the majority of its pick of the litter in Texas high school football – What does that mean? A lot. You know how we say at Texas, we don’t rebuild, we reload? That’s pretty darn appealing to a head coach.
I’m not saying that Texas > SEC recruiting overall. I’m saying that Texas > recruiting than any single SEC state, with Florida perhaps being an exception, but probably an equal. Given that Texas football in the last 10 years under Mack has gained lots of respect and connections with elite high school programs, I find it compelling enough that the talent potential we have here is enough to keep Boom from accepting a HC job in the SEC, with exception to UF probably. Georgia talent pool? Eh. Georgia in the last few years? Eh. It’s all talk. Texas high school football (not to mention the top tier salary he would be receiving as HC) is a big big reason why a coach would want to stay here.
by LonghornHoosier on May 16, 2010 2:53 AM CDT reply actions
Those recruiting connections
are to Mack Brown as much as they are to the University of Texas. It’s not like you can plug anybody into the head coaching position and be guaranteed Top 5 recruiting classes.
And who do you think is
making the connections with the appropriate programs and learning the ins and outs of Texas HS football recruiting from none other than Mack Brown, the king of TX recruiting? I certainly agree that it’s because of Mack Brown that we have the awesome in-state recruiting that we enjoy at UT, but Boom is hot shit right now. Sure we can’t “plug-in” any coach and expect a great, consistent recruiting class. But we aren’t “plugging in” Muschamp, nor is he just any coach. He’s learning our system and will continue the stability that Mack has developed. In 2 1/2 years, our D has gone from mediocre-above average (relative to who we are at TX, of course) to stellar. If Boom already has this much pull and attraction just on D, and after only 2 years… well I think that’s a pretty good indicator that he’s no mickey mouse.
No, Texas won’t always be guaranteed a top 5 recruiting class – but come on DoubleB, what more can you ask for in terms of recruiting? Mack did the work, and sure he’s the one that made the connections. But don’t you think Mack is endorsing Muschamp as the future of Texas… don’t you think he’s instilling confidence in high school programs about Texas’ stability, Texas’ consistency with staff, and the big names we bring in? It’s not like we’re bringing in Skip Holtz, lol. Muschamp’s name is likely going to be around for a long time, and I don’t think that the recruiting is likely to fall, just because Muschamp isn’t Mack.
1) Texas HS football is always going to be insanely good due to the sheer population, the deeply rooted culture of football, the warm weather year round, etc… we’ll always have a sick talent pool here, as will CA and FL.
2) UT is always going to be at the top of the state of Texas football. Only the slightest of marginal threats exist from A&M, Baylor, or Tech in terms of getting our hands on the Texas talent we want.
3) It’s a strong incentive to keep an A-List coach such as Muschamp in the program.
by LonghornHoosier on May 17, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I have no doubt
that Mack Brown is helping Muschamp learn the ins and outs of Texas recruiting, but I disagree with your last sentence: “I don’t think that the recruiting is likely to fall, just because Muschamp isn’t Mack.”
Now maybe recruiting won’t decline, but they are two different people with two different viewpoints of how the program should be run. There will be staff and administrative changes should Muschamp get the head coaching position. To assume recruiting won’t be affected in some way seems naive.
you're assuming that
unless one believes that recruiting will decline (saying that recruiting won’t be affected in some ways, whether positive or negative, is about as vague as a statement could be) with Mack gone, that one is naive. Will there be a hiccup in the first year or two of transition? Eh, probably, and if that’s what you mean by “affected in some ways”, then OK. But given the only evidence that we have, which is Boom’s performance on D in the last 2 seasons… well I don’t really have too much doubt in my mind that the recruiting momentum will continue, especially given that Muschamp will already have been in the system and the state for a few years by the time he takes over.
If Muschamp wasn’t DC with Texas when Mack retired, and he came over from whatever SEC school to be our HC, then I would completely agree with you about Texas taking a hit in recruiting. The landscape is different when you’re a big name like Muschamp at a big school like Texas for a few years. He’ll be in the news, he’ll be on sportscenter, and he’ll probably get more coverage than any other defensive coordinator.
by LonghornHoosier on May 17, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions
“But given the only evidence that we have, which is Boom’s performance on D in the last 2 seasons… well I don’t really have too much doubt in my mind that the recruiting momentum will continue . . .”
Those are two unrelated skill sets. Muschamp being a good defensive coordinator doesn’t have much do with his recruiting ability. There are a lot of very good recruiters who are average coaches and vice versa, just as there are a lot of very successful coordinators who fail at the head coaching level—it’s a different job.
It's really quite simple
how they’re related. Defensive Coordinator performs at an elite level and plays for major bowls on national TV. HS kids see this. HS kids want to play for UT… more talent to pick from, more leverage in offers… If Boom’s (and let’s say DC for the sake of his situation specifically) players and unit are playing really well and consistently do so, do you think that it will be easier to attract top-level talent? I do. Does that mean recruiting will be more successful if we are more easily able to attract that talent? Yeah, probably. Now while Boom is DC, it’s hard for him to affect the offense – so if you’re concerned about offensive recruiting when Mack is done, I’ll give you a little credit there only because we know nothing about how Muschamp will go about that part of the team. However, I think the only evidence we have as to his recruiting abilities is to extrapolate what he has done on defense. You can’t ignore past performance when evaluating recruiting potential. They are undoubtedly intertwined. Think counter-factually. If Boom was a horrible DC and flubbed these past 2 years, do you think we would have gotten Jordan Hicks or Jackson Jeffcoat? Do you think we would have the awesome 2010 defensive class we have lined up if Boom didn’t perform these past 2 years? Heeeeell no. His unit’s recruiting was spectacular this year – and of course I’m not saying it’s all Boom because a lot of it is probably Mack’s influence as well. But saying they are “unrelated” is what’s naive. Recruiting is not solely a function of a coach’s prowess or acumen in that task. If he coaches his unit to perform well on the field, kids want to go there. It’s simple man – you don’t have to twist their arm to get them to come to UT.
Now I’m not sure if you’re taking the position that Texas recruiting will suffer when/if Muschamp takes over, but you’re certainly providing 0 evidence for any particular position, other than the fact that muschamp =/= mack, which is an obvious tautology. I am not saying either that Muschamp IS or WILL BE a better recruiter than Mack. Not saying that at all. However, I AM saying that recruiting deficiencies (in the form of not-so great connections or relationships with coaches) can be over come by performing on the field. It makes the gravity of your program that much stronger if you just tear the field up, even if the coach’s suck at making HS coaches feel all warm and cozy.
by LonghornHoosier on May 17, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
“If Boom was a horrible DC and flubbed these past 2 years, do you think we would have gotten Jordan Hicks or Jackson Jeffcoat? Do you think we would have the awesome 2010 defensive class we have lined up if Boom didn’t perform these past 2 years? Heeeeell no.”
How do you know that? You state that as fact, but in all seriousness how do you know that? You’re telling me those guys wouldn’t have come if Reese, Chizik, or Robinson were still the DC. All of those guys have DC chops and were involved with great recruiting classes while here—and we’ve seen both Robinson’s and Chizik’s recruiting abilities as head coach. The one constant is Mack Brown.
well we can agree to disagree
But I must say that Chizik, Robinson, and Reese never had the privilege of being HC at Texas, which, in my opinion is a crucial flaw in the parallel.
by LonghornHoosier on May 17, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Texas has their state almost locked down.
Miami and FSU are more of a threat to UF in Florida than any school is to ut in texas.
by KratosWasASooner on May 16, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet
it hasn’t prevented all 3 of those schools from being unbelievably successful over the past 27 years (10 national championships, played for 7 others) compared to the state of Texas (1 and 1 respectively)
Coaching
Mack is basically the only good head coach at ut since Royal. Also, you can put some blame on OU for sapping talent and NC game appearances away from texas.
by KratosWasASooner on May 17, 2010 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Barnhart is an SEC propganda artist
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