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The Big Roundup - May 28, 2010

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Dear Augie;
Please let our pitchers eat breakfast at the
Golden Dragon Chinese restaurant in downtown OKC.
Sincerely,
BDR

The Horns lost and have no chance to win the Big 12 tournament. But there are bigger issues. (Box score)

Right now Texas has bigger concerns.

The offense has struggled the first two games of the Big 12 Tournament, and regionals are right around the corner.

Texas also isn’t playing very good defense as they had multiple errors for the second consecutive game.


Deloss Dodds is confident that there is no ticket scandal in Austin.

Texas men’s athletics director DeLoss Dodds said Thursday he feels confident that the ticket scalping scandal at the University of Kansas did not reach his school.

Kansas officials revealed Wednesday that five former staff members and a consultant combined to scalp tickets valued at more than a total of $1 million to Jayhawks basketball and football games.

Texas tops merchandise sells for the conference.

Rush The Court has ten freshmen that should make an immediate impact on the basketball court.

Cory Joseph (Texas)- Joseph is everything a college coach wants in a point guard: lockdown defender, three-point marksman with the added quickness to penetrate and command of the position that makes his teammates better every single game. No longer will there be a revolving door at the position for Rick Barnes, and it’s possible Joseph is even more impressive than fellow Findlay Prep alum Avery Bradley was in burnt orange last season. Along with an innate passing ability and defense that isn’t extremely inferior  from Bradley (or even Dogus Balbay, who may be relegated to third guard duties), Joseph is a true point guard and can run the offense with the steadiness of a senior.

 

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Those 2 percenters, or whatever they call them...

Kyle Field and Texas A&M have an attendance problem, and the Aggies' dull non-conference schedule and mediocre play are the main culprits.

In 2009, Texas A&M opened its season at home against New Mexico, Utah State and the University of Alabama-Birmingham, before finishing the non-conference slate against Arkansas at Cowboys Stadium. In 2010, the Aggies are following a similar formula with FCS school Stephen F. Austin, Louisiana Tech and Florida International at home, leading into the annual Southwest Classic game with Arkansas. In their three home games last year, attendance hovered around 74,000, well below the Kyle Field capacity of approximately 83,000.

Mike Sherman visited the troops in Iraq.

"You don't make a trip like this and meet the people I met and not have some profound learning experience come out of it," Sherman said.

He's the third Big 12 Conference football coach to visit troops in the Middle East, joining Texas' Mack Brown and Texas Tech's Tommy Tuberville.

And he's the first Aggies coach of any sport to make such a goodwill journey.

Two Aggies were elected to the College Football Hall of Fame.

Al Davis will love him. Kellen Heard is trying out for the Oakland Raiders?

 

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Bob thinks a lot about life and, of course, the Sooners.

"I think a lot about life, very little stays the same forever," Stoops said before signing autographs and addressing more than 1,000 fans at the OU-Tulsa Schusterman Center during the second leg of the 2010 Sooner Caravan. "Nothing surprises me. Everybody's looking to improve in some way, improve their athletic department in one way or another. So it doesn't surprise me at all."

Two Sooners missed out on election to the College Football Hall of Fame.

Oklahoma linebackers Brian Bosworth and Rod Shoate and former Southeast High School quarterback Don Trull of Baylor were among the eligible candidates who were not elected.

Gosh Dru, maybe we feel the same way about OU getting the No. 1 nod from Phil Steele.

Dru in Oklahoma City, Okla. writes: Why are people giving Texas so much hype for next year? They have a quarterback who really hasn't proven anything, Texas lost most if not all of the major supporting cast for GG to throw to, and Texas has not had a running game since Jamaal Charles was in the backfield.

DU: The people giving Texas hype are the same ones looking at Mack Brown's track record, and not Texas' offensive depth chart. Nine consecutive 10-win seasons is tough to argue with, and he's had plenty of seasons with more turnover than the one he'll face in 2010. Part of the reason is how well (even if it's unfairly easy) Texas has recruited over the past decade. Texas doesn't have a lot of proven offensive talent, but they have guys you have to, at the very least, feel comfortable with, starting with Garrett Gilbert.

 

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Best thing to come out of The Commish's office in a long time. It is a great idea to have a bowl game in New York in an open stadium in the winter. (If it is anything like this...)

The best conferences? The SEC, the PAC 10 and then...The Big 12 is after the ACC?

All that said, the SEC remains top dog until proven otherwise by virtue of its ridiculous run of four straight BCS championships -- just as Alabama and Florida remain two of the most loaded teams in the country. But I don't see there being much difference, if any, between the SEC's next six teams and their equivalents in the Pac-10, which I'd rate a close No. 2, followed by the Big Ten, ACC, Big 12 and Big East. And to show you just how cyclical these things can be, note that as recently as two years ago, I would have had the Big 12 (at No. 2) and Pac-10 (No. 5) flipped.

Double T Nation wants everyone to think during the off-season.

Nebraska wants to expand their stadium.

Nebraska on Monday sent e-mails to an estimated 20,000 people alerting them of the possibility — and asking them to complete a survey that would help evaluate the interest level.

"What we hope is there is a large demand, and what we think is the case is reality," said Paul Meyers, NU's associate athletic director for development and ticketing. "We just felt it was important not to guess on something like this but get the facts."

An expended stadium, their own network...And a little more hate for UT.

The other thing Nebraska fans perhaps don’t appreciate? That, next to Texas, NU could be the Big 12 program to best start its own sports network, too.

The Red Raiders seem to be moving on from their break up with Mike Leach.

Texas Tech’s season ticket sales for the 2010 football season are already higher than last year’s total and are well on track to beat its all-time record before the first game this fall — and that’s about a month into sales.

Yes, Lubbock is fickle.

Both Welsh and Gerald Myers, Tech's athletic director, gave much of the credit to Tommy Tuberville, Leach's replacement.

"I think that Coach Tuberville has done a good job of getting everybody together and selling his plan for the program," Myers said. "I think our fans are excited about that. He's done a good job of promoting football and selling tickets."

Tommy Tuberville might get that title ring soon. (You thought I meant Tech would win a national championship? You have started celebrating Memorial Day early, haven't you?)

Jayhawk coach Turner Gil sees himself as a teacher.

The Jayhawk ticket scandal has OU connections.

A married couple who previously worked at the University of Oklahoma are at the center of a University of Kansas ticket scandal.

A KU report alleges Tom and Charlette Blubaugh, and two others with OU connections, "inappropriately" sold or used at least $1 million worth of men’s basketball tickets and football tickets for personal purposes.

Kansas alumni and fans are furious.

A 1976 KU graduate, along with his wife, Mary, Don Lamb is rethinking his commitment to buying season tickets and making the drives to Lawrence for games.

"Good tickets are getting harder and harder to get. That's what angers me," Lamb said. "I know it's about money. Every year they want you to give more and more, and even though you give more, your seats don't improve."

 

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If Martha can do it, anyone can dress up a cupcake and make it look great.

Why schedule cupcakes? It saves money.

Bottom line, Nebraska likely would have to pay an FCS opponent approximately half as much as it would have to pay a non-BCS team from the FBS. It should be noted non-BCS  teams from the FBS these days are getting mega-payouts — sometimes to the tune of $1 million — from schools in the SEC and Big Ten.

You can imagine Tom Osborne’s reluctance to pay a non-BCS team $1 million to come to Memorial Stadium.

Shocking. The BCS has a double standard.

There's a certain, credible strain of argument that the BCS power brokers shouldn't be under any obligation to provide small-conference teams with equal access to the postseason pie because the "Big Six" conferences that run the show are overwhelmingly responsible for making that pie; hence, the high double standard for entry favoring the teams that ultimately drive the revenue. But this is a different argument: Here, even after the WAC and Mountain West champions have overcome those barriers to entry, they've delivered higher TV ratings, better finishes in the final polls and better attendance in the big-money games themselves than the Big East or ACC ... only to leave with half the paycheck to split among not only their own conferences, but all the non-Big Six leagues, most of which have never even produced a contender for a BCS spot.

That's the business side of the equation. On the field, according to the the three-step criteria the BCS published for grading each conference's qualifications last month, the Mountain West ranked ahead of both the ACC and the Big East in two of the three criteria through 2008-09 – its highest-ranked team (Utah in 2008, TCU in 2009) has finished ahead of the highest-ranked team from the ACC and Big East, and it's placed a higher percentage of its teams in the top 25 of the final BCS standings. If the MWC manages to add Boise State in time for the 2011 season, it will be on par competitively with the East Coast leagues – at least by the BCS' standards – and not far behind the Big Ten and Pac-10.

Is the BCS supposed to be fair?

I’m serious.

What prompted the question was an email I received from Mr. Alan Fishel, whose law firm represents the fine people at the Mountain West Conference. In his email Mr. Fishel included a "BCS Revenue Discrimination Chart."

I did not make that up.

Mr. Fishel’s point was that over the past four years the Mountain West and the WAC, who do not have automatic qualifier status,  have outperformed the ACC and the Big East (who do get automatic bids) when it comes to BCS TV ratings, rankings, and attendance.

The NCAA just breeds corruption.

The media-propagandized facade that capitalism creates corporate institutions — regardless of their level of corruption — too big to fail and too profitable to police extends to the American sports world as well.

How else do we explain tolerance of the NCAA’s culture of corruption and support for the organization’s outdated rules?

Goldman Sachs has nothing on the NCAA, an organization that invites, breeds and rewards the kind of malfeasance we’re learning took place at the University of Kansas in regard to basketball and football ticket scalping.

The Sporting News put out their preseason top 100 college football teams.

Is Michigan a repeat offender?

Michigan, in admitting to four of the five major football violations the NCAA alleged during 2008-09 under coach Rich Rodriguez, this week revealed self-imposed penalties, including two years of probation, reduction of 130 hours in practice and training time the next two years and reduction of quality-control staff from five to three.

When the university goes before the NCAA Committee on Infractions on Aug. 13-14 in Seattle, the committee could accept Michigan's self-imposed sanctions as punishment.

The committee, however, could deem Michigan a repeat violator under bylaw 19.5.2.3 because of the men's basketball case that concluded May 8, 2003.

College athletes are not guaranteed a four-year deal. The scholarship is a one-year renewable scholarship.

The NCAA says its rules are clear. Athletic scholarships are one-year, "merit-based" awards that require both demonstrated academic performance as well as "participation expectations" on the playing field.

College sport watchdogs — and, occasionally, athletes themselves — tell a different story. They see unkept promises and bottom-line decisions at odds with the definition of student-athlete.

Those discrepancies apparently have caught the attention of the U.S. Justice Department. Its antitrust division is investigating the one-year renewable scholarship, with agents interviewing NCAA officials and member schools. A Justice Department spokeswoman declined comment because the probe, announced on May 6, is ongoing.

Do we grow oranges in Texas? The Orange Bowl could end up in Dallas?

The Orange isn't going anywhere in the BCS bowl rotation. The BCS power brokers love tradition, and the Orange is part of the fabric of the bowl system – and, specifically, the BCS system. The loss of FedEx – the bowl's title sponsor for 21 years – underscores the difficulty of selling advertising right now and the need for other revenue streams.

One BCS administrator told me earlier this spring, "We have to start looking at the Cotton Bowl." In other words, Jerry World generates too much revenue for the BCS to continue to essentially ignore it. The Cotton was the big loser when the BCS structure was implemented in the 1990s, going from one of the game's marquee bowls to a postseason game that can't land the elite of the BCS conferences.

We are not officially crazy about football in Texas. No way, not our state.

This is Allen High School, home of the Eagles and a study in bigness: a 5,000-student campus, with a 650-member marching band, the nation’s largest, supporting a football team that draws 8,000 fans to away games. And now — the pinnacle of the community’s collection of suburban spoils — Allen will break ground on an 18,000-seat palace of a stadium. Though only the fifth-largest high school football stadium in Texas, it’s the largest that will be occupied by a single team. Of course, it carries a big price tag: $60 million, approved as part of a $120 million bond initiative that also includes new performing arts and transportation service centers. Voters approved the measure 63 percent to 37 percent in 2009, a year after the Eagles won their first state football championship.

The Kansas ticket scandal are forcing schools to look at their ticket policy. Barking Carnival looks at how far this scandal could go. (This is great research by srr50 at BC.)

Dr. Saturday wants to watch college football in the freezing cold.

The Big East Conference is thinking about their own network.

Should the Big East kick out the Irish?

Poppa Joe weighs in on 16-team conferences.

The recent Supreme Court ruling in the American Needle v. NFL case has implications for the BCS.

 

And finally...

The Roundup will take Memorial day off and be back up on Tuesday, June 1. Have a safe holiday and take a moment to remember why we celebrate the day.

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they can afford it

and the money couldn’t be spent on anything else except facilities

They’ve already built the new schools they needed in the district, so it isn’t like there was another physical plant need this money could go to.

If you are the only high school in an affluent town, and can afford to have the best high school football stadium money can buy, why not do it?

by Beergut on May 28, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

It isn't just the stadium.

And a lot of these programs have indoor practice facilities and weight rooms that rival any college.

by dimecoverage on May 28, 2010 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, HH

Even if they have the money, even if it’s earmarked for facilities, something just ain’t right. Allen High is Jerry World (a friggin’ monstrosity, in my book) writ smaller. I love football almost as much as anyone, but there’s got to be a limit, even in Texas. The money just gets disgusting after a while.

by NYCHorn on May 28, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps I am biased

being a football coach but why not? High school sports do make money in Texas and with that stadium they will rent it out for playoff games among many other things.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on May 28, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that is dependent upon that school districts

financial situation. If the tax payers in that community are willing to ante up then why not? Would you asked Deloss to put a cap on the expansion of DKR?

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on May 28, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

this has to be a historical moment

I think this is the first time you and I have agreed on something here on this blog.

The Apocalypse is surely upon us.

I think peole who think $60 million is too much for Allen’s new stadium haven’t researched this very much, and.or know little about the reality of the football program at Allen.

by Beergut on May 28, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, but...

I have friends that live in a certain school district right outside of Austin. Their kids do now participate in the athletic programs, but are involved in other things. The school does not put as much time or money in any other school programs but football.

I love football (no surprise) and my male relatives have all played so I see the benefits of strong programs. Sometimes the arms race causes problems among parents.

by dimecoverage on May 28, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Comparing Apples and Oranges

Football requires a much larger budget than any other sport or activity. I think as long as a school district is willing to financially support activities that have a school sponsor and strong student participation I don’t see the problem. Now, if the school starts cutting women’s basketball and the debate team but football isn’t taking a cut that present a problem.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on May 28, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

It isn’t budget cuts that happens, it is just overall less support. It will always be a point of contention with some parents. You just have to accept that if you stay in coaching. You will have to straddle that political mine field. :-)

by dimecoverage on May 28, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I understand that well already. Some parents will never appreciate football and that is ok. Not everyone will love us. However, they do want to see their kids perform in the band and their daughters perform in cheerleading and drill team. It makes it somewhat of a necessary evil for them. Fortunately, this is Texas and football owns the majority here.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on May 28, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

As an ex-athlete and academic,

I can safely say that the number of parents that appreciate football vastly outnumbers the number of parents that appreciate things like drama, language clubs, and the debate team. I know what you’re getting at, but lets not lose our minds — high school football (and sports in general) is plenty appreciated in this country.

Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma

by pleaseplaykindle on May 28, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying woe is me by any means

I was just making a point. Sports are well appreciated in this country and I am very thankful for that.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on May 28, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does Martha make UT cupcakes?

Cuz my 5 y.o. neice and nephew made me some for my birthday and I loved them!

by Wrangler86 on May 28, 2010 12:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I really liked the ice cream cone cupcakes. If I ate stuff like that, I might make those.

by dimecoverage on May 28, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

UT baseball

I hope the UT baseball team doesn’t go down the road that the women’s b-ball and softball teams went.

I sure hope Cory Joseph is better than Avery Bradley, because they need a good PG.

by Longhorns84 on May 28, 2010 3:47 AM CDT reply actions  

So we have to go ahead with a meaningless game...

… against the Ags tomorrow? On second thought, I can’t imagine going into regionals on a three-game skid, so I guess it’s a must-win.

by NYCHorn on May 28, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Rice probably knows. They know everything."

Interesting quote at the very end of the video of the press conference. I wonder whats going on with Augie and Graham?

by stllonghorn on May 28, 2010 6:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Augie's correct

Rice does know everything.

Do you know what would happen if you typed 'google' into Google? You'd break the internet!
The IT Crowd

by beast in bama on May 28, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is anyone else having problems with the green lettering? It goes off the screen for me. I can’t read part of Dime’s post or part of several posts above.

by UT_BKC on May 28, 2010 8:36 AM CDT reply actions  

I found the green tag (it is always the Dallas Morning News articles) but haven’t figured out the wrap-around issue. What browser and operating system are you using?

by dimecoverage on May 28, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

winxdows IE

The problem is gone now, and I havent changed anything.

by UT_BKC on May 28, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

What about the wrap issue?

by dimecoverage on May 28, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dime I don’t know if this is your own personal site or if someone is ripping off your content but this:

http://goutlonghorns.com/uncategorized/the-big-roundup-may-28-2010/335/

appears to be a direct copy of your post above.

by hodad on May 28, 2010 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Not just DC, but all of BON, it seems

Here’s the whois result for that site:

Domain Name: GOUTLONGHORNS.COM
   Registrar: ENOM, INC.
   Whois Server: whois.enom.com
   Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
   Name Server: NS2209.HOSTGATOR.COM
   Name Server: NS2210.HOSTGATOR.COM
   Status: clientTransferProhibited
   Updated Date: 18-mar-2010
   Creation Date: 18-mar-2010
   Expiration Date: 18-mar-2011

by Hopkins Horn on May 28, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Another member of the BON legal team… :-)

by dimecoverage on May 28, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

My suggestion for Bean and Associates, Esq. . .

. . . would be to contact the site’s hoster, HostGator (never heard of them but seems to be a GoDaddy equivalent) at this link and to point out what a site it is hosting is up to. The actual domain has been registered anonymously, since no doubt whoever created it knew of the illegal activities in which it would be partaking. “Fair use” my ass…

by Hopkins Horn on May 28, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hostgator is the site that allowed a hacker to post hundreds (thousands?) of poeple’s credit card numbers and info

by UT_BKC on May 28, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe it was unkowningly af first, and then it took them a little while to take the site down when they found out. It has been a while since I saw it on the news. I see the signs for the company frequently in houston.

by UT_BKC on May 28, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

The sad thing about this is that the guy who’s doing it is so clueless that he left a trackback in the BarkingCarnival comments, which is how I found his site to begin with.

by hodad on May 28, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also it appears that the green text is coming from the element with this style definition:

style=“color: darkgreen; font-weight: normal; font-size: 100%;”

there’s also a white-space: nowrap somewhere that’s causing the word wrap issue.

by hodad on May 28, 2010 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

To continue my string of self-replies I’m pretty sure they grow oranges wow down south along the Rio Grande.

by hodad on May 28, 2010 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

You are right. Well, I guess we can host the Orange Bowl in Texas and be legit.

I found the green, but I’m still looking for that wrap issue. I’m beginning to hate the DMN.

It looks like someone is ripping off BON content in general on that site. Thanks for finding that. I sent it to the BON legal team. (That would be Peter. He has graduated so he is a real lawyer now.)

by dimecoverage on May 28, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

But still unlicensed :)

I actually spent a few hours a couple of weeks ago tracking down people who had been ripping off and using for free content from my real-life business site. I actually got someone to pay up with just one quasi-threatening email, but it was fun to see how quickly everything else seemed to disappear once it was known a blatant copyright violation (which can be costly) had been noted.

by Hopkins Horn on May 28, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

FWIW I’m not showing the green or word wrap problems on Chrome at the moment.

by hodad on May 28, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Neither am I

Firefox 3.6.3 on SnowLeopard.

by Hopkins Horn on May 28, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Another MAC user

I found it in Safari but Firefox is good.

by dimecoverage on May 28, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Think of all the fun.

We should really try to play in that Pinstripe Bowl in NYC.

This was posted on EDSBS earlier.

by dimecoverage on May 28, 2010 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I think you are a little biased coach

There is now way that a HS progam will make enough money in 5-6 home dates to justify a return on $60 million. I would say though, that if the intent of the money was clearly communicated in a bond issue and the community voted for it – then I have no complaints. If it was poorly worded or stretched – I would suggest the community vote out the entire board and fire the superintendent.

by realmccoy on May 28, 2010 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

It is not just a football stadium. As mentioned in the article, it also contains locker rooms (for other sports) and training facilites. Home games for the HS are not the only rev source or use or the football field. They can do HS play off games in the stadium for instance. Also, there are many schools that do graduation at the football field because they need the seeting.

by UT_BKC on May 28, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just curious...

…how much would it cost to rent a stadium like this for a playoff game? I have no clue what the going rate would be.

by Hopkins Horn on May 28, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

It depends on what level

But you are talking anywhere from $10k – $30k per game plus concessions. I know in Mansfield ISD where I coached last year they pulled in $30k for the state game that Traylon Shead and Cayuga played at Newsom Stadium.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on May 28, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at it this way

In the business world – you would have to clear an after tax profit in the neighborhood of $10-12 million per year to justify that kind of investment. If you were a healthy normal business that would require an annual revenue stream of $75 million annually.

by realmccoy on May 29, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well you are right

In one year it would be impossible to recoup that money off of 5-6 home games. However, that facility will last them at least 30 years if not more. Not to mention, this facility is multi-purpose.

On top of all this, this money was already designated for facilities. Being that it is part of a bond package it could not be used for anything else.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on May 28, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget soccer and track.

Those sports generally used the same facility. Granted, those don’t make the bucks of football, but they do increase the utility of the field. We just upgraded our field with a new stadium here in Marble Falls to the tune of $8 M or so and there is some grumbling among the non-football people. But they did get several playoff football game and the regional 4A track meet in their first year. Seating only about 6-8k, it is fine for small 4A (which we are) and lower football classes as a football and soccer play-off site. Being in a central geographic location and having an all-weather field made for great selling points. Now they have to develop a team to live up to the stadium. Being in Lake Travis’ district is tough.

by whills on May 28, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone remember how much Westlake's stadium cost a few years back?

That seemed to be the big hooplah then. I’m not sure if it was close to Allen’s $60 million, I can’t remember

"I'm young, but I'm old-fashioned." - Will Muschamp

by BMC237 on May 28, 2010 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

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