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Texas Realignment Press Conference: Preserving The Status Quo

All the way back in February, I wrote a post taking a jab at Frank The Tank's theory as to why Texas was in play for the Big 10. And with apologies for quoting myself, it was in the comments of that thread that I actually fleshed out my own argument:

Where, in my view, this line of thought runs off course is in misidentifying the status quo. The status quo is not "the Big XII as we know it," which you’re right, may not last all that much longer. But that’s not the interest Texas is protecting. The Big XII is a means to an end, and its existence is incidental up to and to the extent that it is the chosen structure through which Texas serves that end. That is, the status quo is not the Big XII as it exists today, but rather Texas’ extremely advantageous position, generally, which the Big XII as it exists today merely enables.

The problem with Texas jumping to the Big 10 is that Texas’ goal can’t be reduced to finding a home in which it neatly fits. You only concede your advantages when it’s more profitable for you to do so, and here, Texas’ incentive is to insulate itself from egalitarian relationships. The status quo is for Texas to remain the undisputed king of an extremely (almost unfairly) rich bloc of territory. And it remains in our interest to stay out of — and thereby forego the benefits of — a stronger, superior confederation, when doing so means weakening that base position in the home territory.

You have to look at it from the Texas perspective even more than you already are. When you look around and evaluate your position, we simply aren’t burdened by the costs of being in a weaker association. Conversely, there are real reasons to guard jealously our advantageous position.

So the starting point isn’t "the Big XII as it currently exists" but "Texas' exceptional position as it currently exists." That’s the context to evaluate whether it makes sense for Texas to become a smaller, more equal part of a bigger, more dynamic family.

It might, if the entire sport were headed towards four 16-team super-conferences, be forced to make that hard choice, but unless and until it is, it’s going to serve and protect its entrenched position.

As it should.

The only thing surprising about the ultimate outcome of this round of realignment was the dramatic manner in which it unfolded in public. But the bottom line result? I can't say I find this at all a surprise.

Today we find out the details of the revamped Big 12. This is your 10 a.m. CT press conference open thread, which you can watch broadcast live at the UT athletics site.

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You are a wise one Peter Bean

The postmortem of this will be fascinating. Unfortunately, we probably won’t know much for years.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 15, 2010 1:50 AM CDT reply actions  

We'll see

It seems like UT’s got the same strategic outlook that I do on this, and the last three months of endless discussion on this topic have made me well aware of the weaknesses in the position. It ain’t bulletproof. It’s definitely a calculated gamble, and a very strong play of our hand. Definitely more risk, with more potential reward.

And you’re right: we won’t know for years whether it’s the right play or not.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jun 15, 2010 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gamble?

I don’t think the play is much of a gamble. If in 5-10 years we decide we want into the pac-#, with a pac-# network. The same forces that make us such an attractive target today will still be in place, and they would love to add us and our large television market in the face that the big XII (10) doesn’t work out.

by Longhorn@Berkeley on Jun 15, 2010 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

But it’s a gamble in the same sense that going to the Pac 10 is a gamble; you’re staking your future moves without fully knowing the landscape as it will exist then.

I tend to think things are set up very nicely for Texas, but it’s a gamble in the sense that there we passed a safer, more stable alternative to go out on this other path.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jun 15, 2010 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

My long term concern,

and it may be my insomnia talking, is Andy Katz’s report about the various “unknown” interests involved in the current deal.

My question then becomes: has the athletic program reached a level of “power” (in some definitions, “dominating interdependency” in my own) such that it no longer controls its own destiny precisely because the interests of so many third parties have interwoven themselves with its fate. I have advanced this theory before when discussing the Texas legislature. At the moment, I’m curious whether it truly stops there.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 15, 2010 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everything is a gamble

but in Texas’ case we are holding all the good cards right now. I read on Barking Carnival that college football tv ratings were up 8% last year over year so the pie is getting largerr each year. Dodds, Powers, and perhaps to some degree A&M and the other schools made the right move by not pushing the superconference concept quite yet, not while there was basically a large fire raging in Dan Beebe’s office.

The other conferences will still be there and yes they’ll still be looking to add Texas. We should remain at a high competitive level for at least the four or five years (based on recent recruiting) when it may come time to negotiate for yet another realignment, one that is not driven by frantic circumstances.

So yes it’s a gamble but I don’t think it’s a permanent solution in anyone’s mind. The gamble is that we’ll still hold the cards when a final determination is made in the not so distant future. Right now it’s a pretty safe bet.

"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jun 15, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is it a well played gamble?

What is it extra that you are achieving which will benefit you in the long run by staying in the conference instead of joining the Pac-16? I don’t see any positives for A&M from remaining in the Big XII either, when we had a chance to get to the SEC. In the long run Pac-16 and SEC would have been more secure places for the two schools instead of being left in a conference with ‘one offer away from leaving the conference’ Missouri and other North division weaklings. What is the additional benefit that you are seeing to being in this conference? I’m sorry I don’t see any and add to that today’s report on USA today that those numbers thrown out by Dan Beebe were grossly exaggerated.

by YUMC on Jun 15, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

This sux

Only because i am being selfish, I live in las vegas and was really hoping they would go to the pac 16. much better chance of seeing more games in arizona and on the west coast. I also think this would have produce some great match-ups between these 2 conf. and took some of the steam out of the SEC conf. tired of hearing how great they are. oh well

by robbedn08 on Jun 15, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is the definite right play from one perspective:

The Longhorn Network will become a reality now. Even if we were go through realignment in the next 3-5 years, the Longhorn Network will be a fait accompli, and a wholly owned revenue stream of the University.

"Stats are for losers, I like winning games"
". . .switzer is a cracked out bitch . . ."-osu poster

by 98horn on Jun 15, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the end, we got what we wanted - $$$

though it came at the expense of agitating the Big Ten, Pac-10, SEC, some members of the Texas legislature, and a whole bunch of fans of Big XII teams to go with some neutral observers.

Will these other conferences get over the 2010 Realignment events when this inevitably comes up again in the future? If money talks, then the answer is “absolutely”.

As far as taking a gamble, I’m more than willing to bet on Texas still being just as relevant and powerful 5-10 years into the future as they are now if not more powerful. Especially if Muschamp stays in Austin to replace Mack, and Mack replaces Dodds as the AD.

by goingforthecorner on Jun 15, 2010 2:19 AM CDT reply actions  

It seems to be more about power than $$

You could have joined the Big Ten and earned at least $23-25M per year, plus stability and likely a lot more 5 years from now when the BTN was implemented in the state of Texas. You’ve basically accepted the same amount of money, perhaps less depending how how the Longhorn Network shakes out, via a less stable entity.

Not to say this wasn’t the right choice for Texas, based on your all’s reaction I assume it was, but there was money left on the table.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Jun 15, 2010 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, we left money on the table

But we don’t have to travel to the far north or play Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State and that other team in Michigan. Or Nebraska. We can still sell 100,000 per home game AND get a slice of the Big 12 TV pie AND create our own Notre Dame Lite network.

It’ll be a lot easier to achieve BCS status playing in the Big 12. And as we know from the idiocies of the current system, going 11-1 playing ANYBODY is way better in the polls and the computer ratings than going 9-3 and playing SOMEBODY. Not right, just the way it is.

by edsp on Jun 15, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps I don't get it

But Texas never committed to joining any other conferences. A bunch of scenarios were being kicked around and Texas chose what seemingly is the best deal financially for them. I especially don’t understand how the SEC is involved, given the only thing we cost them was the addition of A&M which, any way you cut it, is no power house program to bring in money.

Seems most people are just annoyed Texas has so much political power in that Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and to (apparently) a lesser extent Texas A&M following them wherever they go. It seems to me like pure envy, but I suppose it would since I’m a Texas fan.

What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?

by inVINCEable on Jun 15, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep yep yep, Peter Bean.

That is about as concise and clear an exposition on Texas’ reasoning in this realignment saga as one might hope to find anywhere out there.

If it’s any consolation to anyone, know that the minds behind this decision for UT are as sharp as any in the business, that they want only what they consider to be best for Texas, and that they have better and more accurate information available to them than does any member of the media whose take on all this you may have bought into.

As far as the uncertain long term future can be known and certainly for the near future THIS deal is the best deal available for the University of Texas.

by jpsantini on Jun 15, 2010 2:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

My biggest issue with this decision

Is the lack of regard DeLoss and the other administrators have demonstrated towards the Longhorn fans. I worry about the long term
consequences for the “Longhorn brand”. They’ve basically elected to give us a watered down version of a product we were particularlly found of. I can’t imagine this “new” Big XII is going to be winning over many young casual viewers.

“Let’s see should I watch Michigan versus Nebraska? Oh wait Texas is playing Baylor! Well that rivalry has a 100 years of tradition. Guess I know what I’m tuning in to. Now, what chanel is foxsportslowercentraltexas again?”

by flamingmonkeyass on Jun 15, 2010 4:40 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

*weren't*

Stupid phone. And user.

by flamingmonkeyass on Jun 15, 2010 4:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is my take as well

I think those championing this decision, PB included, are looking at this from an intellectually-intriguing, game theory standpoint: what move will make Texas the most money in the long run?

But dissolving that context for a moment, one has to realize that it is entirely possible that the move which simply earns Bellmont Hall (marginally, mind you) the most substantial potential for financial profit may overlap the move that is the worst for students, alumni, and fans… and possibly college football in general.

In other words, why should any one of us care if the Texas athletic department makes (slightly) more money? Should we not care more about the academic future of the University and the product we put on the field, because those are the only factors that affect any of us.

A move to the PAC-16 would have dramatically improved both, and yes, it was near the In N Out Burger…a few beers, few laughs… there was plenty money, as well. Instead, we’ve thrown away both for a relatively insignificant higher percentage money.

Peter, it sounds almost as if you’ve grown into a position based on purely abstract intellectual incentives. Its as though you are sound-minded enough to see the best move for Texas based solely on athletic profits, and based on those parameters you are “cheering” for the University, trying to see if they’re clever enough to see this strategy and get it done, because, on principle, you’d be disappointed if they didn’t make the most profitable move possible.

But is that abstraction really beneficially to the students, alumni, and athletic product? Wouldn’t it serve a greater breadth of causes to sacrifice a fraction of income to improve those other things? Because it seems we’ve been convinced to sacrifice anything that might actually benefit us so that our facilities can be upgraded more easily and our coaches’ salaries can improve.

by BrooklynHorn on Jun 15, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

As PB said, any move is a gamble to some degree.

However, we have discovered that a move to the pac x would enhance certain areas in the future…that is a direction Texas can intend to pursue now that it is commonly accepted as a good and wise factor for the future of the university system.

Number 2, UT is in the information business in an electronic information age. Both ownership of original product and distribution of informational products is the future, one that will affect all of education which is capital intensive to the taxation limits. Having your own broadcast network is the top of the food chain…and not just for football either. That is just one highly marketable product.

Number 3 is Texas realpolitik which played a deeper role than we have heard here. This is the whole state with a lot of apple carts all somewhat in balance. If, say, a Baylor is suddenly shut out, if their representative (Whitworth) has any power and insight, he knows this will come directly to his doorstep in his next election: Why didn’t you stop this, dammit? Suddenly favors are called in, phones are buzzing and the apples start jostling around, because once one gets upsets, others can too, with unexpected consequences. It can get wider than that with MIzzou, Iowa St. and Kansas all feeling the same threat. Suddenly you’re at a national political level and this isn’t even about football any more. It’s about money, taxation, power and change.

We’re just way out here flapping in the information breeze. We several layers of abstractions and power from the real sources of the action.

by whills on Jun 15, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I [largely] understand why this happened...

I’m questioning why anyone on this thread should perceive this as a victory in his/her favor. It appears to me our interests (as alumni and fans) have been superseded by the interests of Bellmont. Yet, many appear to be celebrating.

Is it celebration on principle (yay!! Texas has smarter, more ambitious leaders than the other schools), or do they perceive this will actually benefit them is some way?

by BrooklynHorn on Jun 15, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear what you're saying.

As someone who can suspend belief I don’t buy into the present flux easily. The future – with more info and results – will answer many of the current questions. There is just no way to tell if this is beneficial or not. Seeing things for what they are is one of the most difficult things for a human to do, so most grab whatever makes them feel comfortable for the moment.

I think some of the celebrating is that this interruption in the continuum appears to be over.

by whills on Jun 15, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Based upon the current level of play at Nebraska and Michigan

that final score will be 6-3 with the winning team recording 3 safeties. Watching Baylor play is no more painful than say Purdue and Indiana. The key for the conference will be scores such as KU, KSU, Missouri, and the Ags becoming legitimate opponents.

by davey o'brien on Jun 15, 2010 6:11 AM CDT reply actions  

The key

is probably keeping Texas and OU at the very top of the polls. One marque win is usually enough for short-minded voters. The problem is if one of those schools rebuilds for even one year, and all of the sudden the conference appears very weak.

It’s always been about the tone at the top, look at the SEC last year as an example. After the two divisional champions there was a major drop, the respect continued.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Jun 15, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Down the road a bit, if/when realignment does occur...

…we might not be bargaining in a position of power. And then we’ll have to join the SEC.

And that would ruin my whole day.

Hook 'em

by Iron on Jun 15, 2010 6:52 AM CDT reply actions  

agree..and also let us not have history repeat itself

I agree. If at the time of realignment into real super power conferences, UT is waning due to a poor selection of head coaches or whatever then we lose our bargaining position which is at its apex today.

In addition, UT for years was the huge frog (not to be confused with the horned frogs) in the SWC pond and look what it got us. We became complacent to beat our rvials, obtain bragging rights around the State of Tx and got stomped in whatever bowl we played. The Big 12 this last year ran neck-and-neck with the SEC as the best football conference. Now it drops to arguably 4th.

The Big 10 and Pac 10 now will have a championship game while we sit at home (along with the high school recruits) and watch as their teams are spotlighted and ours student athletes diligently study for finals.

While I loved the SWC its overall out-of-conferecne competitiveness toward the end was dismal and i hope such does not happen to the Big 12.

All new states are invested, more or less, by a class of noisy, second-rate men who are always in favor of rash and extreme measures, but Texas was absolutely overrun by such men. --Sam Houston--

by Tex34xas on Jun 15, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

What?

When did a “media availability” replace a “press conference”? Did I miss something?

by TXStampede on Jun 15, 2010 6:57 AM CDT reply actions  

I dunno bout all this...

I feel like we just recreated the WAC and we are Boise St.

by dukeoforange on Jun 15, 2010 7:24 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Still don't understand

how the value of the BXII doubled despite the fact that the league lost a major brand name and major media market. I’m curious why there hasn’t been more skepticism around this “guarantee” of $17M for the average member and $20M for Texas. Unless this is an insanely front-loaded contract or one that is fixed for 20 some years, it makes no sense to me at the moment. I’m very interested in the details.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Jun 15, 2010 7:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

It is hard to see why Dan Bebee couldn’t have gotten a more favorable TV deal before Nebraska and Colorado left. Perhaps the Big 12 would still be intact.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Jun 15, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

From what I can tell

It was only after expansion began that the networks (ESPN/Fox) got freaked about losing a conference they had rights to, so Bebee is arguing that they have agreed to pony up to make sure they stay put.

Not sure how all that plays out with the Longhorn Networkm but I guess we will find out soon enough

by Jhal2315 on Jun 15, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because the contract was an attempt to prevent superconferences.

The networks (ESPN, FOX, etc.) need content to fill their ever expanding air time. If four big conferences form and start their own networks (like the Pac 10 was going to do), there will not be enough content and these stations will have to pay way too much for the rights. It is worth it to them to “overpay” in order to keep the market the way it is.

Until Nebraska left, it was not clear that the Big XII was going to fall. Also, with two fewer teams, the deal can be 15% smaller and still end up being more per school.

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 15, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

If this is the case, then do you expect the Big Ten to go back and double their revenue? Because their ESPN deal was signed before this whole shakedown.

And I’m not sure losing the Big XII actually reduces inventory, it just moves games from under one flag to another. I don’t see how that’s an issue of supply/demand. Additionally, the PTN would be picking up the second tier games the BTN is broadcasting,

Finally, these TV networks are part of the conference networks. Fox owns 49% of the BTN, so it’s not like it’s all or nothing in terms of national v conference networks.

As for the “less pieces of the pie, so more for everyone” thing, you lost two teams that were pulling in more than league average. That theory only works if you trim from the bottom, not the top.

Good for the Big XII, if this whole thing doesn’t have a catch it’s going to be a windfall for the Big10 and SEC, but for now I’m not buying it unless it comes with some kind of 20-year fixed terms or something.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Jun 15, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

In 2009, Nebraska pulled in the 5th most and CU the 10th most. So that's one slightly above league average and one way below league average.

Perhaps the Big 10 and SEC will be able to renegotiate their contracts now, but I don’t see why ESPN would do it. The incentive to keep the status quo has been achieved.

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 15, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I assume that’s based on the Big XII’s national appearance method of distributing income, and if so doesn’t take into account the fact that Denver left for the Pac-10.

ESPN might not have to renegotiate now, but they will eventually, and if they can use the “overpay or we’ll super-conference you” to double their revenue, well then this contract won’t seem so big anymore.

Either way, details are being leaked that this is something like an 18 year deal, in which case this makes sense: the Big XII didn’t double their revenue, they signed a long-as-hell contract that locks them into a somewhat fixed rate, which in 2012 will seem like a lot per a team, and in 2030 will absolutely not. It’s designed for PR purposes.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Jun 15, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

The 18 year deal is comparable to the SEC deal that is signed for 15 years. In fact, the big dogs in the conference look to get more than their SEC counterparts, because it is not split evenly.

The Big Ten and the SEC can threaten to go to super-conferences, but the networks seem to think it’s cheaper to pay off the targets, instead of the aggressors, if the Big XII is any indication.

Yes, the payouts are based on how often you are on TV. CU and NU were generally on local, regional, or not on TV at all. Denver left, but Big XII games always got terrible ratings in Denver anyway, even when CU was playing.

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 15, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

but Big XII games always got terrible ratings in Denver anyway, even when CU was playing.

Losing Colorado was not the same as losing the Denver tv market, the Buffs never owned it in the first place.

It will be interesting to see how NU’s ratings play out against various types of opponents in the Big 10. I don’t think their fan base is as strong as everybody thinks it is currently. Know how many people live in the entire state of Nebraska? Less than 1.8 million (2009 census bureau) , smaller than the Austin-San Antonio corridor. A lot of people followed them nationally, myself included, during their glory days but they’re not such a hot commodity to younger viewers right now.

Also we’ll see whether Nebraska tries to schedule OU, our new best friend/enemy, in a rivalry game. I’d love to see OUsucks pound them year over year.

"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jun 15, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some reports are questioning the numbers

USA today reports that these numbers were not accurate and the numbers thrown out by Beebe yesterday were irrationally high

by YUMC on Jun 15, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

jeez people is no one happy?

this is the best news of the past 6 months for this program

yes, there is no conference championship game and yes we lose two very crappy athletic programs fromt the conference, but to be honest, who cares? nebraska’s tv market was less than 1.5 million people and colorado really doesnt bring the denver tv market like everyone thinks

we still get to dominate the conference

we still will make more money this year, next year and the year after that than we ever have

and finally, we still get to call this conference our own

Suggestions:

1.) Be loyal to the big 12.. er .. 10. If you dont like this damn conference then go root for the pac 10 or some other lesser conference. We are the 2nd or 3rd best athletic conference in the country… still. If you are gonna hate, go root for Wash. State or maybe Arizona. Love it or leave it

2.) Being in the 2nd or 3rd best conference does not mean mediocrity. If we were in the big east or Acc, then yes, I would say this is true. But when you have premier football, basketball, and baseball teams riddled throughout this conference, we will still be in the same position athletically that we were with colorado and nebraska.

3.) Finally, for football, yes it sucks that there is no conference champ. game. But this conference is basically at the same strength without neb. and colorado. Colorado is garbage and wont be much better in the pac 11. Nebraska is a joke of a program and will never win another national championship, at least not in my lifetime. Yes, they wont even come close. They suffer from Texas Tech syndrome, being in a location that no one wants to go and playing for a program that was exclusively built on winning with huge corn-fed white guys. Those days are over. No 5 star QB from california or blue chip RB from florida wants to play in the middle of nowhere. Sure, they had a good run last year and got lucky with a defense that was predicated around one man. But trust me, thats the closet they will ever get to a conference championship for many years, specially playing in the new big 12.

The New SWC is back baby!!! And I couldnt be more excited

"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

by greenspointexas on Jun 15, 2010 8:47 AM CDT reply actions  

That's the problem

“The New SWC is back baby!!!”

The SWC was an above average conference but became a joke when Arkansas left. That’s what we are facing. We will regret this outcome in about five years when the Pac 12 and the real Big 12 have blown past us.

The SWC Redux is nothing more than the Big East.

by milevin on Jun 15, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

i was joking on the name

the bottom line is still the same bottom line its been every season for this team:

Win out or no natl champ game

and im perfectly fine with that

"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

by greenspointexas on Jun 15, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beg to differ

If Texas wins out without a conference championship, and an SEC or Big 10 or Pac-12 team with a conference championship game goes undefeated, the new Big 12 team is going to be passed over. Texas doesn’t get the love that Southern Cal gets on the West Coast with the voters, they don’t have that fall back of people assuming they are the best. Hell, we saw that this year when we went undefeated through a mediocre Big 12 and that was with Nebraska still in the mix. It should be interesting…

by TexasReb on Jun 15, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're not calling us "TU" over here like you do on IATTM?

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

And here it's 'we'

Over there it’s ‘them’

Don’t like people who have to mask their allegiance

by Jhal2315 on Jun 15, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

oooh good catch!

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Like your pro pic btw.

Hook’em :)

by Jhal2315 on Jun 15, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

:-)

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Old habits die hard! Also, trying to be respectful over here. Unlike so many Texas fans over on any of the A&M blogs. However, if you would like me to lose the civility, that’s ok as well. It’s from working in politics for too many years!

by TexasReb on Jun 15, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, civility is good

We just noticed you proclaiming your new allegiance to A&M there and saying “sips” this and “TU” that. But as long as you’re civil I at least will be the same.

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's fair however

I read some of your comments over there and you talk about how arrogant and brash we are yet here you want to be our friend?

You can’t talk so negative about us on one site then want us to be pals on another. It’s called being two-faced

by Jhal2315 on Jun 15, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 15, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree too

But as long as he plays nice I’ll drop it and leave him alone, barring any other instances of Aggie Tourette’s. Still sleeping with one eye open though.

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to be friends, just civil

There is a difference. Too many on this website have acted like they are morally superior to not only A&M, but to the SEC, in general. Just because y’all have acted in this manner towards other people does not meant I need to act in kind when interacting with you.

by TexasReb on Jun 15, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

Remember my Berkley comment, I’ll talk shit to your face…

by TexasReb on Jun 15, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

You stay classy, Texas "Reb"

The name says it all

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 15, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point exactly

Your reaction says it all! Because of the word “Reb” I’m a white-trash, racist, redneck from the sticks who doesn’t belong with you and those Berkley folks.

by TexasReb on Jun 15, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

almost certainly...

but sometimes people land on the other side of probability, so we’ll do you a favor and keep an open mind.

by BrooklynHorn on Jun 15, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way, Berkeley is spelled with 3 E’s.

Awe. Some.

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 15, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you have a newsletter or fan club I could subscribe to?

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 15, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

There’s only my Northern/Central Indiana Report:

Football: Still mediocre to average with delusions of grandeur…but wait till next season!
Food: Sucks
Weather: SucksSucksSucks
People: nice, except for drunken Big 10 fans and the people responsible for the carjackings, shootings, and meth lab explosions featured regularly on the local news
Paying state income tax and county tax: Sucks
South Bend: Sucks, mostly, but sells Shiner
Indianapolis: uses too much black and white checkered race flag decor, and doesn’t have a Texas Exes chapter? Got Bluebell this summer and improved its ranking.
Law school: lolz

Updates when things change. Has been same for nearly 2 years though, so don’t hold your breath.

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rising 3L?

It gets better, because you know you’re leaving.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 15, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

First, thanks for the correction regarding Berkeley, I would blame spell check, but I should have caught that one. Second, regarding my name, I won’t get into the argument because under your line of reasoning, we cannot be proud of any of our Founding Fathers or really anything that happened up until the passage of the Civil Rights Acts. Finally, while I am aware that all schools and virtually all places throughout the world have people who span the spectrum, I didn’t get that from here. I read nothing that was in jest and saw entirely too much of a superiority complex, and not merely in athletics. That left a bad taste in my mouth that even a 12 pack of Lonestar couldn’t wash away. That was my grievance, nothing more. Sorry in advance for any spelling/grammatical errors, I wrote this on my phone. However, any logical reasoning fallacies are entirely my own.

by TexasReb on Jun 15, 2010 3:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

That sounded a lot like getting into the argument

I’m not taking the bait.

Have a nice day.

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry you feel that way

That certainly wasn’t my intention, nothing sinister going on. You have a good day as well.

by TexasReb on Jun 15, 2010 5:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well said

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jun 16, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question

Do I need to double post all of my comments? Here and on Beergut’s blog?

by TexasReb on Jun 15, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, you can single-post over there

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 15, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like you, HH

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Awww, I like you too

I promise to disregard all those nasty, mean things PB said about you

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 15, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And if that doesn't get a rec, I don't know what does

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 15, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

well thanks!

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

and double rec

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

not to mention TCU, BSU

And a little bugaboo of mine…it’s Cincinnati. (not trying to nitpick, but just as a fan of their sports teams and once and potential future resident of the city). Carry on.

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cincy was never really a threat to go to the National Championship game, nor was TCU or BSU. Put Texas on the same level-playing field, and down-graded from the Pac-10, Big-10 and SEC with championship games, and let’s see how that works out for the Big 12.

by TexasReb on Jun 15, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

They would have been had we lost to NU

Remember Brian Kelly saying that the kicker would not be on his Christmas card list that year?

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

exclusively built on winning with huge corn-fed white guys

Awesome insight, as always.

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 15, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very Insightful PB Thank You - but

Can anyone explain why we aren’t pushing to replace NU and CU? Lets ask Utah and BYU and that would be a helluva a product. I realize they don’t bring huge markets, but there are a lot of LDS across the country that are very passionate about BYU, and the demographics are trending upward.

by realmccoy on Jun 15, 2010 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Why would they want to join?

Why would Utah commit to becoming one of Texas’ minions when they could go to the Pac XX and be considered an equal while making at least as much money as they would under the Big 12’s new revenue sharing agreement?

by GCS on Jun 15, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would be great for Utah

1. They are not in a BCS conference as of today.
2. They would immediately move into the dominant football position in the Northern Conference, and be one upset away from National Championship Game potential.
3. I am unsure that Pac 10 will invite them.

by realmccoy on Jun 15, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bigger isn't necessarily better

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 15, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what she said...

Couldn’t resist the quote….

"I just want Texas to be number one in something other than executions, toll roads and property taxes." ~ Kinky Friedman

by Robertpz on Jun 15, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lots of interesting information coming out this morning....

I saw this re-tweeted on Mandel’s Twitter page, and I tend to agree – “As an ND fan I love that Texas becaome and Independent but still in a conference”.

I think that pretty much summarizes what Texas got out of this whole rearrangement. I also saw somewhere that someone suggested that ND jump on board, as they could get into a conference, pull TV money from it, and yet keep their deal with NBC (not realistic, but Beebe should put on the hard sell nonetheless, just to show up Delaney).

I also read this article which starts to break down some of the “other forces at play” – Money and Texas held the Big XII together

Some of the more interesting points are that there were fears that the megaconferences would lead to the loss of tax-exempt status for athletic departments and the eventual payment of players, which would be disastrous to the current model…

Can’t wait for the press conferences today!

by utcopt on Jun 15, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

megaconferences would lead to the loss of tax-exempt status for athletic departments and the eventual payment of players, which would be disastrous to the current model…

That’s ridiculous.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Jun 15, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Congressmen have threatening it.

It is certainly a risk, even if an unlikely one.

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 15, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting view

Texas as an independent for football. Similar to Miami’s baseball program when the U was in the Big East?

by milevin on Jun 15, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's amusing

Is how Texas comes off as looking as some sort of bad guy to many fans, particularly OU fans who despise the idea that they were following wherever Texas was going. Texas was merely looking out for its own best interests… as every other school was. Because Texas was in a position of strength, it had less reason to care what other schools were doing than these schools had to care about Texas. Any other school would have operated the same way; if they didn’t, then they need new leadership. For OU, they knew that where Texas went, money for them would most likely follow, so even though Texas will get the biggest slice of the pie, OU will get a bigger one the most everyone else in the Big 12. It’s not a bad choice for Oklahoma either.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 15, 2010 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

We should be mad at the Aggies if we wanted to go to the Pac-10

yes, they screwed us over. But A&M did not want to go to the Pac-10. It wasn’t just about following big brother. It was a bad fit for them culturally, while SEC was a better fit.

by goingforthecorner on Jun 15, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

All I care about is ME!

Will I be able to watch games in Ohio? Will it cost me more to watch games in Ohio? Will my cable company even carry this Longhorn network? Me. Me. Me.

Well? Will they answer this in their press conference?

Can Texas change its mind next week or next year?

by Ohio Horn on Jun 15, 2010 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I have the same concerns

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Refund

I asked for a refund of my season tickets this morning from Texas Box Office. I wont buy crappy games any more, no OU home/away, TTU/OK State/A&M isnt good enough biannually and Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas and Missouri sure doesnt do it for my $1600 annually f dodds

by sam0807 on Jun 15, 2010 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't understand

Nothing changes in this year’s schedule, right? How/why could/would you ask for a refund on season tickets after this year? Have you already bought tickets for 2011 and beyond? And Missouri, Kansas, and especially Kansas State by and large have given us pretty tough competition the last few years and are certainly more attractive than Rice, Louisiana Lafayette, Central Florida, and the other typical OOC schedule.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Jun 15, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

and naturally, I can't get it to work

for anyone out there watching the conference, please post anything here worth mentioning

by goingforthecorner on Jun 15, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, doesn't work for me either

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Powers

-Feels comfortable with long-term outlook
-No guarantees on special deals for Texas and other schools
-Will distribute based on normal Big 12 distribution

by Hook_'em_Horns on Jun 15, 2010 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Also

10 team seems definite, so any chances of adding replacements are slim to none.

What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?

by inVINCEable on Jun 15, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

yup, it sucks

we have to start scheduling better

by Hook_'em_Horns on Jun 15, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Powers

-Feels strongly that it is in our economic and traditional interest to remain in Big 12

by Hook_'em_Horns on Jun 15, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Is pursuing the correct word?

I always figured it was more “exploring”. Thus making his statement make sense.

by hayzer13 on Jun 15, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well based on all these Chip Brown reports the last week

Big XII was suppposed to be dead. Pac-10 was supposed to be a done deal. Larry Scott even came to Texas. This is more than “exploratory” talks. The Pac-10 deal was killed in the last minute, but who knows why exactly. A&M screwed us over? Beebe convinced everyone to stay? State politics?

by goingforthecorner on Jun 15, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Powers

Makes a subject I’m genuinely interested in completely uninteresting.

What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?

by inVINCEable on Jun 15, 2010 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

You think they would?

They rarely privy the audience with anything substantial

by Jhal2315 on Jun 15, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

He could be telling me...

how to survive an imminent apocalypse and I would still stop paying attention after about 2 minutes.

What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?

by inVINCEable on Jun 15, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big 10 or Big 12

They keep getting them confused. I guess we all will

by Ohio Horn on Jun 15, 2010 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah, especially powers.

It hard to hear him on my comp and I have the thing on full blast

by Hook_'em_Horns on Jun 15, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

DeLoss Dodds

Says Longhorn Network is a small part of staying in the Big 12.

by Hook_'em_Horns on Jun 15, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

This is all a buch of malarkey

Mainly just wanted to use that word, but they are sugar-coating and not telling us anything real anyway

by Jhal2315 on Jun 15, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

true, but thats always the truth

other than the fact that we are staying, i bet they barely have any of the details worked out so far

"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

by greenspointexas on Jun 15, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

They probably dont have a lot worked out, but they could fill us in on their thinking. Not all this ‘tradition’ and network is small stuff. We know that was a big caveat.

I didn’t expect them to tell us exaclty what they said, but to say all this peachy stuff makes it sound like we were never interested in leaving in the first place

by Jhal2315 on Jun 15, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Powers

Says Gov. Perry has not contacted him throughout and hearing set for tomorrow had to bearing on Texas’ decision

by Hook_'em_Horns on Jun 15, 2010 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

So much for Doc Anderson shaking his fist and trying to influence things

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

DeLoss Dodds

No championship game but have not talked as a conference to see about adding new teams. Texas is working with Fox to sync up deal with ABC/ESPN that ends in 2016.

by Hook_'em_Horns on Jun 15, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Anyone else find it interesting

that they’re saying there are no deals yet, regarding TV revenues? Where are these $20 million figures for Texas, OU, & A&M coming from?

by bassale47 on Jun 15, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

beebe

and thats what they are saying, that the press should ask him, as he knows more about it than they do

"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

by greenspointexas on Jun 15, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Powers

-Travel was a big factor in Pac-10 deal

by Hook_'em_Horns on Jun 15, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Powers:

Texas committed to big 12 before Texas A&M knew what they were gonna do

Ha-Ha (nelson muntz)

"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

by greenspointexas on Jun 15, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

aggy will not take kindly to that

They want desperately to believe that they were the ones who solved this epic crisis.

by bassale47 on Jun 15, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know, isn't it heavenly?

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?

by inVINCEable on Jun 15, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

ha!

rec’d

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1, i chortled

well no information at all from this press conference, but screw it

We are Texas! We will own anyone anywhere

"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

by greenspointexas on Jun 15, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

throw anybody under the bus.

Was hoping that they would throw a jab at NU

by Hook_'em_Horns on Jun 15, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

that second being rightfully restored was enough of a jab, I think

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

For those that haven't seen the numbers

Big 12 Revenue for 2008-2009

Nebraska dropped to 8th. OU was #1… so they’re the bad guys in all this, right?

by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 15, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Big 12 Championship

Am I the only one that believes none of this happens if Texas beat NU by 21 in the game. If so, it means that performance cost Colt the Heisman and the Big 12 Nebraska.

by Jrusso72 on Jun 15, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I doubt it

Nebraska has had complaints for a long time.

Completely off topic, but when I rewatched the Nebraska game later, I found that other than that massive brainfart by Colt at the end of the game, he played a very good fourth quarter. A dropped ball by James Kirkendoll and an interception caused by Dan Buckner giving up the ball nearly cost us the game and certainly cost Colt the Heisman. Too bad.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jun 15, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Finally, someone talks about football!

Yeah, Colt’s moxie and good play down the stretch in the face of a fierce pass rush really went unsung & unrecognized by the announcers in-game and the media afterwards. The last play you speak of was so uncharacteristic for a player who so consistently displayed excellent 2-minute drill leadership in his career.

by robthecob on Jun 15, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what's the deal with the Texas Network?

explain to me how that works.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Jun 15, 2010 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Texas plays sports, people pay to watch those sports.

Texas replays old sports, people pay to watch those sports.
People talk about Texas sports, people pay to watch those people talk about Texas sports.

Any questions?

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 15, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the part about watch what Bevo eats

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 15, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

What was also forgotten

Longhorn Texas per EDSBS

I’m looking forward to “Liftin’ Stuff With Jeff Madden” and “Pom Squad House”… The latter a whole lot.

What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?

by inVINCEable on Jun 15, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Err, Longhorn Network that be

What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?

by inVINCEable on Jun 15, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

What would he order?

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 15, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

cattle aren't actually supposed to eat corn

He’d order a salad and finish it off with all of Whataburger’s landscaping

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I lol'd

out loud in my cubicle at work. Thanks.

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

well played

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

dejavu or echo?

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Jun 15, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could watch the 06 Rose Bowl all day every day

They should fill the late night and early hours with that instead of infomercials or whatever

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

ending with him punching an Oklahoman in the face.

Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.

by LonghornEm on Jun 15, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

a future top-rated LSN series...

Vince travels around being Vince, until some schmoe throws the horns down. Vince punches said schmoe. Pays a fine, and ends the show with a lecture for the kids about the “right way” to settle differences. Unless you’re dealing with sooners or aggies…
roll credits…

by Pflash on Jun 16, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd watch

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by LonghornEm on Jun 17, 2010 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

My only point is Im not paying anymore

I asked for a refund for my season tickets. If you all quit paying and you hear crickets at the games, maybe they will get the freaking message. SEC plays real competition, that’s why you will continue to hear it is the better conference. Arizona and Arizona State would have been better home games than Baylor and Iowa State (which I am not paying for anymore to get a seat for TTU and A&M). Nobody wants to talk about Texas’ JV schedule for a national championship every year, this will hurt them. Sellouts!

by sam0807 on Jun 15, 2010 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Did they give you a refund?

If so, I guess they’re not worried about re-selling them.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Jun 15, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where does this leave us in terms of a play-off?

One thing I heard more than once in recent weeks is that the formation of these “super” conferences would somehow lead to, or force, a play-off in football. Now that most of the conference re-allignment seems to be on hold, are we back to sqaure one with regard to a play-off? It also occurs to me that a play-off doesn’t necessarily guarantee the best teams will meet for the championship, Look at baseball this year. Does anyone think UT doesn’t deserve to be in Omaha? Two well-pitched games by TCU negates (in some ways) the rest of a tremendous season.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Jun 15, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

In TCU's defense

They have a great team and deserve to be in Omaha. I think both teams got hosed by having to play in the Supers instead of in Omaha.

by hayzer13 on Jun 15, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

you think any of ...

bq….the people involved were business executives, conference commissioners, athletic directors, network executives with ties throughout college athletics, administrators at many levels throughout the NCAA membership and a “fair number of them without a dog in the hunt.”

those guys were bowl bigwigs? I think the groups with a vested interest in playoff prevention came to play…

As to playoffs, they in no way “necessarily guarantee” the best teams meet for the championship. That’s not their function anyway. The teams that win meet for the championship. It’s not a beauty contest, it’s not a computer programming contest, it’s not a comparison of schedules and results and publicity surrounding those two, it’s all about settling it on the field. And sometimes the “not best” team is going to win. That’s great! That’s why you play…

In other words, that’s not a bug, that’s a feature. And a darn good one in my mind…

by Pflash on Jun 15, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

And there is no guarantee that

the best team will win a game, so might as well cancel all of those too.

by aztectomb on Jun 15, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

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