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What Must Happen for Each Heisman Hopeful in 2010 To Win the Trophy



Although the Heisman Trophy is in many ways a beauty pageant, based more on team and position than whether or not the player is truly the best in the country, I am nonetheless enthralled with the tradition and clout that the award carries. With the United States out of the World Cup and the baseball team eliminated, it is truly the offseason. That being said, here is what must happen for each individual Heisman hopeful to win the trophy. Let the offseason discussion commence.

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Matt Barkley, QB, USC

The recent NCAA sanctions damaged had a major effect on Barkley's chance to win. With talk of Reggie Bush's Heisman being 'tainted', voters may now be less willing to award the trophy to a USC player. He would need to have an absolute monster season and dominate during his biggest games to recieve much consideration, but I'd personally be very surprised if he even made it to New York thanks to his team's postseason ban.

Noel Devine, RB, West Virginia

For Devine to win, he'll need at least 1,700 yards and display some solid crunch-time production. He would also need for West Virginia to get back to college football's forefront, which they haven't been in since Rich Rodriguez left for Michigan. The major problem for Devine may be that his team may not be featured in very many big games; however, if his team is among the top 10 in the country, he will have a great opportunity to display his skills at Pittsburgh in a late season battle on November 26.

Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri

For Gabbert to have a chance, he would need to post better statistics than his predecessor, Chase Daniel, did in 2007 and would also need to beat Oklahoma in their showdown on October 23. Mizzou would need to make an appearance in the Big 12 championship game vs. a marquee team (Texas or Oklahoma), and he would need to play well, even in a loss.

Garrett Gilbert, QB, Texas

For Gilbert to win, Texas must finish at least 12-1 with a Big 12 Championship. He must throw for at least 3,500 yards and 30 TD's and must also throw fewer than 12 INT's. He needs to have a huge performance in the opener vs. Rice (remember the Heisman buzz that was generated after Matt Barkley's "outlier" performance in his debut vs. Fresno State?), and he needs to do well vs. OU and, if we qualify, the Big 12 Championship Game (note: if we fail to qualify, his chance at the Heisman is approximately 0%).

Jacory Harris, QB, Miami

Harris missed a major chance to generate some preseason buzz by playing poorly in the Champs Sports Bowl, but he has nonetheless gotten some consideration. Last year, the Heisman Pundit said that Harris could be viewed to Heisman voters as a symbol of Miami's resurgence, a la Carson Palmer for USC in 2002. If Harris leads Miami to an ACC championship or BCS bowl appearance, he will likely be invited to New York provided he has adequate statistics.

Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama

Honestly, Ingram may not be the best back on his own team, let alone best player in the country, and the fact that he won the Heisman last year only makes winning this year that much harder. For Ingram to win, he would have to be the best player in the country by far, which would require him to be a touchdown machine and rush for close to 2,000 yards.

Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M

Johnson would need to beat Texas, and he would need to have great stats in that game. A&M would also need to hang with Oklahoma and make an appearance in the Big 12 championship. Johnson would also have to prove that he can make plays with his feet consistently, and if he does so he could be the second Aggie Heisman winner.

Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma

Jones is heading into a better situation in 2010 than he was in 2009, so don't be surprised if he gets an invite to New York. If the Sooners win the Big 12 and beat Texas, and he puts up comparable stats to Sam Bradford in 2008, he could very well be the second Sooner QB in three years to win the award.

Jake Locker, QB, Washington

For locker to win, he would need to lead a major resurgence of the Washington program, and to do that he would have to beat USC (again), and beat two of Stanford, Oregon, and Cal. Washington would have to be at least 9-3 and he would have to prove he's earned the nickname "Tim Tebow West" by making plays with his feet as well.

Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

Luck is going to need to prove that he can be an effective quarterback without Toby Gerhart to take some of the pressure off of him. He has to avoid a sophomore slump and a little NFL buzz wouldn't hurt him either. If the Cardinal beats USC and contends for a Pac-10 title, he could win the award.

Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State

Moore is another player getting some preseason buzz, but he only has a chance of winning if Boise State goes unbeaten and he posts out-of-this-world statistics. He also needs to dominate Virginia Tech in their matchup in September and Boise State must avoid any close calls with lesser opponents.

Terrelle Pryor, QB, Ohio State

Pryor is quite possibly the favorite for the trophy, and if the Buckeyes reach the BCS National Championsip Game, he is almost a lock to end up in New York. Jim Tressel also needs to stop coaching so conservatively and let Pryor be himself; a repeat of the "reigns-on" Iowa game cannot happen for Pryor to win the award.

Jacquizz Rodgers, RB, Oregon State

Rodgers is an absolutely electrifying player, but is at a disadvantage because a)he plays on the west coast and b) his team is not only a marquee program, but they are not even the main program in their state. However, if he dominates teams like he did USC in 2008, he could be in New York whether Oregon State is contending for a Pac-10 title or not.

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I think SEC-heavy coverage may throw Ryan Mallet into the discussion if he can somehow pull Arkansas out of mediocrity. I have seen his name out there and if he can recover fully from his injury I’d expect the SEC-industrial complex to start marketing him pretty hard. I mean, he IS a prototypical….

by TheBlanton on Jun 26, 2010 11:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Mallett's a terrific candidate

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 27, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heisman votes before postseason starts i belive

which is one good thing for matt barkley i suppose

by AlDe2356 on Jun 27, 2010 3:19 AM CDT reply actions  

having blaine gabbert and landry jones on this list but

no case keenum is laughable

imo, there will only be 5 people who can/will be in contention:

ingram
johnson
luck
moore
mallet/keenum

wild card:pryor… dude is an awful QB, but plays for OSU. if they go undefeated, watch out, he might pull a “troy smith” and become the worst heisman winner of the new decade

if anyone else other than them wins it, ill eat my hat

ps- jake locker is the most overrated qb i can remember.

"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

by greenspointexas on Jun 27, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Come on...

I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that your list of “only 5 people” not only includes a wild card (making it 6 people), but also a mysterious “two-headed” candidate (thereby making the list really 7 people).

by jc25 on Jun 27, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

has Gilbert even made any Heisman preseason lists anywhere?

or did you just include him because he plays for texas, and there is that possibility, with the right amount of media coverage combined with solid play, that he’d be in the mix?

As for Johnson, not sure about the “prove he can make plays with his feet consistently” comment. Jerrod rushed for over 500 yds last season, and passed for over 3500; if he has another year with over 4000 yds total offense and the team goes 10-2 with a win over OU or texas, he’ll be invited to NY. JMHO.

by Beergut on Jun 27, 2010 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

okay, just wondering

Gilbert looks like a monster talent, but pushing him for Heisman this early seems premature

by Beergut on Jun 28, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Garret Deserves Mention

First, he plays in the burnt orange for Texas and the name of this site is burntorangenation. Second, look back at Colt McCoy’s freshman stats. They were damn near Heisman caliber. Now factor in a couple of other facts. Gilbert has more natural ability. Gilbert has had more experience than Colt did prior to his freshman season. The coaches have much more understanding of what Gilbert’s capabilities are vs. Colt’s. If you remember, GD (not criticizing) had the handcuffs on Colt until Mack screamed at him at the half of the OU game. Now, I am not saying that GG will be in NYC – but I certainly will not be shocked if he is.

by realmccoy on Jun 27, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gilbert has had more experience than Colt did prior to his freshman season.

That would be relevant only if Gilbert was a freshman, but he’s a sophomore.

The coaches have much more understanding of what Gilbert’s capabilities are vs. Colt’s.

And they’ve chosen to put Gilbert in a conservative scheme that focuses on the run in order to keep the pressure of having to carry the offense off of him; while I understand Davis’ thinking here, it seems to be putting Gilbert outside his natural comfort zone, and it also can lead to Gilbert not putting up the stats he would need to be considered for the Heisman.

by Beergut on Jun 28, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I should also point out

that Colt had Jamaal Charles, Jermichael Finley, Limas Sweed, Quan Cosby, Billy Pittman, et al, surrounding him as a freshman to take the pressure off. Colt didn’t have to carry the team, he just needed to get the ball to playmakers and let them do their thing. Colt had a solid veteran cast around him.

Who does Gilbert have?

by Beergut on Jun 28, 2010 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

At Texas -We Just Reload

The studs on this year’s team are TBD. Basically, we don’t quite know the names or their relative contributions yet – but when the games count you will see weapons that will strike fear in the hearts of the opposition. Speed kills and we will prolly throw Goodwin (World Class Track Star), DJ Monroe (basically lightining in a bottle), Malcolm Williams (he may catch it someday), and a bevy of talented frosh into the mix. Tre Newton is prolly the most underrated back in the country, using uncanny vision to offset the lack of elite speed.

by realmccoy on Jun 28, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the defensive studs are pretty obvious at this point:

Dos Achos and Randall.

The DBs obviously have a lot of potential to be big-time players as well. I do expect Curtis Brown to continue to develop to the point that he’ll be a consideration for a day-one draft pick, as he already had a very strong 2009. Obviously Williams and Chykie can play high-level ball as well, and either could end up the defensive MVP with a great season, but I think the Achos and Randall have the best potential to earn that honor in 2010.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

A&M 10-2?

I don’t think it would be fair to JJ to need a 10-2 record for Heisman consideration. I would give him a shot at 8-4. A&M has been a .500 team of late – so 8-4 would be a heckuva an improvement. In addition, when a QB has 4,000 yards – it is obvious that the D is bears the lion’s share of the onus for the losses. I really like A&M’s offense this year – but is their D ready? I remember Colt outracing the entire A&M secondary and then watched him run like a 4.7 40 at the combine. Speed kills and the Aggie D seems a little slow.

by realmccoy on Jun 27, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

JJ can't help the defense

And that wrecking crew doesn’t really wreck anything these days. If aggie goes 8-4 or 9-3, it’s probably because Johnson, Gray, and Michael went nuts to a far enough extent to overcome the defensive deficiencies, like Colt’s offense did in 2008.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 27, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

In addition, when a QB has 4,000 yards – it is obvious that the D is bears the lion’s share of the onus for the losses.

Uh, you’re just now figuring this out? We had one of the top 5 offenses in the nation last year, and you’re just now noticing that, oh, gee, maybe AM’s defense was the reason they were losing games last season? The only bigger culprit than the defense was special teams, which cost us the Georgia game (the defense wasn’t bad in that game).

As to the question of whether or not our defense is ready, I’m hoping another year of maturation for our players (we started seven underclassmen on defense last year, including two true freshmen, and had 6 true freshmen defenders appear in all 12 regular season games) and a new scheme will help us become at least average. If we can move to one of the top 60 defenses in the nation, we’ll win 10 games next season. If we just learn to tackle well and can consistently stop the run, we have a shot at winning the Big 12.

by Beergut on Jun 28, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was just sticking up for your boy

Giving him some Heisman props if the team doesn’t go 10-2.

by realmccoy on Jun 28, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lets just let poor Garrett

get a full season under his belt before we start heaving that kind of pressure/expectation on his shoulders. Texas fans can easily set this guy up for a disastrous season if they choose to.

by kellen on Jun 27, 2010 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

+1000000

thank god someone else said this as well

"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

by greenspointexas on Jun 27, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Worries

This kid is ready for the spotlight both mentally and physically. Think Colt McCoy with more talent. Kids without stones don’t win state championships.

by realmccoy on Jun 27, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is kind of unrealistic at this stage

What possible indicator have you ever seen that Gilbert has any of the intangibles that Colt McCoy has? Some people might have called Chris Simms a Major Applewhite with more talent, but that didn’t mean that he was ready both mentally and physically. He wasn’t, and he was even more highly regarded than Gilbert was coming out of high school. And there’s no indication that Gilbert really is either, is there?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 27, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Really Like his 2nd half against Bama

I know that I am reading alot into a little. But he was thrown into one of the toughest spots that I have seen. Character is revealed in adversity, and to me, he passed the test with flying colors. The comeback the Horns made was fantastic, and would have been legendary if not for the game changing shuttle pass before half.

by realmccoy on Jun 28, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's some reason for optimism

He’s talented and showed some flashes on the field, after all. But the few snaps he’s played haven’t removed any legitimate doubt that he’s ready.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

mhenry

""In January 2009, an ESPN reporter predicted Gilbert will win the Heisman Trophy before his collegiate senior season."’ this is coming from a top of line analyst who believes gilbert will win it his sophomore or junior season… if he is predicted by an espn analyst to win the heisman. he deserves to at least be on the watch list and definitely has the intangible leadership that mccoy had. maybe he is even more of a leader. also, simms was not as big of a prospect as gilbert coming out but they were both 5-star caliber players even there was no class of 1999 recruit rankings

by Marshall Henry on Jul 3, 2010 3:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Simms was the top QB recruit in the nation in 1999

so saying he wasn’t as of a prospect as Gilbert is inaccurate

Top of the line analyst at ESPN? You give the WWL way too much credit.

by Beergut on Jul 4, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

mhenry

i think your just being sour because your an a&m fan. gilbert has the talent to be that good in his sophomore season. i cant believe he isnt getting more recognition for how talented he really is. he could be better than colt and VY. just wait and watch and tell me i was wrong when gilbert leads the Longhorns into a BCS bowl. Also wait and watch how close he is to getting to new york at the end of the season. maybe he could even get there. just watch…

by Marshall Henry on Jul 4, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't change your factual inaccuracies

Simms was the undisputed #1 QB recruit in the nation, and if I recall correctly, was the #3 overall recruit in the nation. It’s not even close between him and Gilbert, who was the #3 QB in the nation. That’s not to say that Gilbert won’t ultimately turn out to be much more successful, but Simms was more highly regarded coming out of high school.

And what one ESPN analyst says doesn’t really mean anything. There are lots of ESPN analysts.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 4, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

mhenry

all i can say is just watch. he will be bigger than he is expected to be. he will get texas to a one loss maybe 2 loss team this season and maybe a bcs bowl.

by Marshall Henry on Jul 4, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He might

But that doesn’t mean he should make a pre-season list of top three-headed monsters. More clearly, his handful of snaps he took in 2009-2010 shouldn’t overcome the underwhelming other two heads, which are whichever WR and RB one picks off the roster. The combination of Gilbert and any one RB and any one WR does not make for a particularly intimidating trio at this point, although that’s not to say they won’t end up great.

But again, it’s not even close to true that Gilbert was more highly regarded coming out of high school.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 4, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why

Do you keep headlining all of your posts with mhenry?

by KratosWasASooner on Jul 5, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

it just looks weird..

…your handle is at the bottom if you’re worried we won’t know if wrote it.

by vy til i die on Jul 6, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the best player on this whole list

is Noel Devine. He is an incredible albeit small player. He won’t have a chance, though, because he plays for WV and they have no natural media market. No chance Ingram wins it again. He would have to be otherworldly and I think they will give Richardson more carries this year than last. The one thing I like about this list is there seems to be no clear cut winner off the bat. This race can go several different ways as the season goes on.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jun 27, 2010 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Kid from Stanford in Good Spot Too

Will miss Toby – but him and the coach have a good thing going.

by realmccoy on Jun 28, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Luck is a solid player

I think his success is going to be predicated on how much he actually has to do. He has a solid surrounding cast. They’re starting RB this year is from Mansfield and he is a good player. Luck is only going to be a redshirt soph so he still has some strides to make but I’d like to see him succeed.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jun 28, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

When was the last time the heisman winner wasn't part of a NC team? 2002?

Ingram, Bradford, Tebow, Smith, Bush, Leinhart….

The Heisman an offensive award for :
1. The best up and coming skill position player on a NC team
2. A grizzled veteran skill position player on the NC team
3. Replace NC w/ some high profile BCS game if no one fits the bill of the above two, and retry

GG is a heisman contender because his team can make it to the big stage, and if he’s at the helm, he’ll be invited to NYC, unless his stats are awful.

Ingram, Jones, and Pryor are solid picks too because they all have a shot at making it undefeated to the NC because they’re in strong programs.

Everyone on there who isn’t a likely national title candidate, sorry Missouri, is just wishful thinking. Keenum? Forget about it. Barkley’s out too, because of the sanctions, but otherwise he’d be a real candidate.

Forget talking about the players, talk about which teams can go the distance, because the heisman winner will be picked from one of them.

by notsofst on Jun 28, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Nicely sums up the last few decades of the Heisman

I think you can add the requirement that the player be on a BCS team, regardless of the team’s bowl aspirations. Keenum and Moore have much better odds of winning the lottery than winning the Heisman beauty contests.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 28, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Tebow was handed the award the year before he led Florida to that championship

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was off on that one, but not by much

Tebow was in NC games before AND after the year he won.

Kind of proves the rule though, if you look at the ballots from that year, there was only one player from either NC team(Glenn Dorsey) that notched any votes at all. So it’s not like Tebow edged out a NC team candidate.

Point being, Barkley, Devine, Gabbert, Johnson, Locker, Moore, and Rodgers can only take advantage of a flawed season, probably because their supporting cast won’t take them to the NC. 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 shot for these guys through no fault of their own.

Now: Oregon, TX, OU, Miami(?), OSU, etc… There’s going to be potential heisman winners in that bunch. If they all flame out? Then take a look at the first group. But there’s definite Tier 1 and Tier 2 candidates, and it has to do with their teams, not the players.

by notsofst on Jun 28, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should note that Dorsey got 30 votes, enough to get him 9th place in the voting, and not enough to get an invite to NYC

Tebow won that year over:

  1. McFadden ( Arkansas ) – by 200 votes
  1. Brennan ( Hawaii ) – by 1200+ votes
  2. Daniel ( Missouri ) – by 1200+ votes

by notsofst on Jun 28, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was ridiculous

McFadden was a far better candidate, IMO.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jun 28, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

A little picky, huh?!

McFadden AND Tebow both deserved to win it that year. They BOTH gave tremendous performances throughout the season in a tough conference.

by robthecob on Jun 30, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Tebow deserved it more than your average Tech QB

He was a stat-compiler for a team he couldn’t even get into the conference, let alone national, championship picture, much like Graham Harrell. Sure, the numbers were impressive, but when a QB puts up all those stats without getting his team anywhere, it’s indicative of a system QB and a weak defense. In Tebow’s case, the defense was okay, but Tebow was quite obviously a system QB.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 1, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

so

you weren’t paying attention during the 2008 season when Florida won the SEC and national championship?

Comparing a Tech QB who never won anything to a Heisman Trophy-winning QB who was a contributor on two conference and national championship teams is laughable.

by Beergut on Jul 4, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I forget..

..Tebow won the National title when he won the Heisman? Interesting. He also was the main reason they won his freshman year? Also, interesting. News to me.

by vy til i die on Jul 4, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tebow hadn't won the Heisman and hadn't QB'ed anyone to a national championship at that point

You’re being pretty ridiculous there.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 4, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

It can be argued

That OU shot themselves in the foot more than Florida playing better for his second championship. But for Tebow’s sake, he did perform quite well in the second half of that game.

by KratosWasASooner on Jul 5, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tebow was just a product of the system? You didn't pick a very good comparison.

2007 Tebow: 3,286 yds passing, 67%, 32 TDs, 6 INTs, 172 rating, 895 yds rushing, 23 TDs.

2008 Graham Harrell: 5,111 yds, 70%, 45 TDs, 9 INTs, 160 rating, -15 total yards rushing.

2005 VY: 3,036 passing, 65%, 26 TDs, 10 INTs, 165 rating, 1,050 rushing, 12 TDs.

Harrell was the epitome of being a stat-compiling system QB w/ a weak defense. VY was other-worldly in the 2005 season … and Tebow was, dare I say, better statistically in his Heisman campaign. A season in which VY deserved the Heisman. Just the same, it’s hogwash to say that Tebow didn’t deserve that Heisman. You drop another QB into Harrell’s spot at TTech & the show still goes on. No freakin’ way that would happen if Tebow was replaced that year. He is the total opposite of a system QB. He’s very talented, already, but he went beyond that by being irreplaceable in both the passing game and the running game. Aside from VY, there might not have been but 3 or 4 others in all of college football for the past decade that could have replaced him and been just as effective.

I’m not trying to ‘get into it’ with you or anything. I just think Tebow was terrific that year and throughout his whole Florida career, and should be appreciated for being a winner.

by robthecob on Jul 4, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I did pick a good comparison

The point is that neither Harrell nor Tebow deserved a Heisman. Tebow’s style of play resulted in a pretty lackluster season for a team coming off the national championship game. Florida actually took a huge step backwards under Tim Tebow his Heisman season.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 4, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Oregon State is actually a more likely NC contender than Oregon at this point

But, well, yeah.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like their coach a lot

He does a lot with a little (no pun intended on the Rodgers brothers).

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jun 28, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was poking around and I thought Oregon was returning like 18+ starters or something ridiculous

And didn’t they win the Rose Bowl last year? Sounds like a good setup for a NC run to me.

by notsofst on Jun 28, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

lost the Rose Bowl

and their starting QB was kicked off the team

by acho81 on Jun 28, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, losing Masoli is a big loss

At first he was just suspended for the 2010 season for committing larceny, but then he was busted for possession of pot as well. And they’ve lost some other guys to similar legal troubles this year, including linebacker Kiko Alonso, DT Terrance Montgomery, WR Garrett Embry, and DT Andrew Iupati (yes, he’s the younger brother of top guard Mike).

Heck, LaMichael James might be on the cusp himself. He spent ten days in jail this summer, has almost the two full years remaining on his probation, although of course the Oregon crime family has only suspended him for a single game. This was for domestic violence, specifically menacing his girlfriend.

So while Montgomery, Iupati, and Embry weren’t huge players in 2009, that’s a lot of depth lost at DT, some depth lost at WR (Oregon’s top targets ahead of him are mostly gone), and of course Kiko’s a pretty decent linebacker. Most of all, though, losing Masoli hurts a ton, and James is a single questionable decision away from missing another eleven games in 2010.

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by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

USC won it the year prior

So he had been a member of the most recent national championship team.

Pending appeal, of course.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blaine Gabbert??

Someone seriously needs to show me why this guy gets any hype at all, let alone Heisman hype.

And to top it off, Pinkel is notoriously famous for finding ways to screw over his team. Every year we hear the so-called media experts blowing the horn for how great Missouri is…..and then every year they start out with a bang but quickly flame out once the heat of conference play begins.

I have no personal vendetta against Missouri – I like the campus and the gameday experience in Columbia. I even tend to root for them against some of the other Big 12 teams. I just don’t get why they get so much love when they haven’t done diddly squat on the field.

As for Mallett, Arkansas needs to have a monster season, regardless of Mallett’s stats.

by Go Bevo on Jun 29, 2010 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Noel Devine, RB, West Virginia

Is that dude STILL at WV? I think he was in my NCAA 2006 game!

Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma

by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 30, 2010 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

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