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GoBR's 2012 Texas Wish-y/Watch List: Quarterback

2011 Belton quarterback Davis Ash's commitment helped write a positive narrative for Texas at the position (photo by the author).


Horns_bullet_medium2011 overview -- Denton Guyer QB JW Walsh's early commitment before even the first Texas Junior Day left Belton's David Ash as the top target on the board and the most compelling option. Walsh was my personal preference from the beginning, but Ash is a talented athlete in his own right and though he isn't as fast as Walsh, he's a capable runner and has a strong arm.

Ash's stock took a hit after his junior season, mostly because of an injury that limited him for most of the season. At the least, his willingness to commit despite the depth chart ahead of him speaks to his willingness to compete and that alone should endear him to Longhorn fans. Combine that with the all the other quarterbacks in the class having significant question marks and things went about as well as Mack Brown could expect in 2011 at the quarterback position.

Horns_bullet_mediumProjected numbers -- Mack Brown has expressed a preference for taking a top quarterback in every class. One, in other words.

Wish List and Watch List after the jump...

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Horns_bullet_mediumGoBR's Wish List

Matt Davis, Klein Forest -- Here's what you really need to know about Davis, per an SEC assistant coach ($) who saw VY play in high school:

I don’t know if he lives on the same street as Vince Young, but there’s no doubt that he’s in the neighborhood.

The highest of praise indeed and the comparison is as valid as any made between an up-and-coming dual threat quarterback in Texas and the legend who finally brought another national championship home to Austin. That is to say, only slightly valid, hence the qualification above.

Davis doesn't have the pure height of Young at around 6-2, but there is a similar electricity when he has the ball in his hands, combining strong speed, excellent feet and balance, vision, and the toughness to finish runs in critical situations. Physically, John Chiles is a comparison that is more apt from a frame standpoint than Young, but Davis has better feet and there just isn't the same type of doubt surrounding whether or not Davis can stick at quarterback. Where the comparison to Young stands is that, like Young, Davis is a superlative athlete playing quarterback who has the presence to inspire belief in his teammates through his unwavering belief in himself -- Daivs just has it. Just oozing from his film.

However, like Young, Davis is also raw throwing the football at this stage. The physical ability is there, but mechanically Davis has a long way to go, especially in terms of his footwork and shifting his weight into his throws, as well as overall accuracy. Davis must also learn to more consistently put his throws more on a line downfield -- at the next level, cornerbacks will be fast enough to recover and make plays on passes thrown so much air under them (Matt Leinart excepted). Overall, his mechanics need so much work that it's the only major concern about Davis.

However, Davis has both expressed a dedication towards improving and begun putting in the necessary effort to improve. His playmaking on the field shows an indominable will to make plays and that makes it hard not to believe in his ability to refine his mechanics to the extent that he can be an effective passer at the a high level of college football.

After all, even being from Vince Young's neighborhood is more than good enough, right?

Matt Davis Klein Forest vs Dekaney 2009 (via mrphilwill1)

More short videos here and here.

Gimme Factor (for Sunkist): Four and a half Gimme's out of five

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Trevor Knight, San Antonio Reagan -- Shaping up as the early top pro-style quarterback in the state, Knight is also a solid runner who has some ability to make plays with his feet, although he projects as merely an effective scrambler in college rather than a player who can run the zone read series. With that being said, Knight also looks like the type of player who could increase his speed and agility when he gets in a collegiate strength program without being underdeveloped physically.

As the pro style tag suggests, it's his arm talent that makes him stand out among his peers. His drops are consistent, his footwork sound, and it results in impressive mechanics that hep him maximize his arm strength. The rising Reagan star has the ability to put tremendous zip on the football when he gets out over his front leg -- the kid can spin the football with velocity and has the quick, compact release. His arm may fall slightly short of being nationally elite, but it's easily one of the best in the state in his class.

In the pocket, Knight shows an intuitive understanding of avoiding the rush and can often do a nice job of not letting his mechanics break down under pressure, delivering the ball downfield with accuracy while taking hits, a sign of strong concentration and toughness. In high school, when his footwork breaks down, he has the arm strength to throw off his back foot, so he's got a bit of the Brett Favre-style gunslinger in him. He has the arm strength to get away with it in high school, but will it translate to the next level? Not as easily, obviously, so he would be well-served in becoming more consistent in that area.

At 6-2, Knight is much like Davis in that while he lacks prototypical NFL size (defined here as 6-3 or above), he has more than enough height to be effective in the collegiate game and his above-average athleticism helps him stand out when compared with other pocket quarterbacks who also have strong arms. A lifelong Texas fan, Knight could become the obvious choice and lone commitment at the position if Matt Davis and Texas happen to head in different directions.

Trevor Knight 2012 Quarterback SA Reagan Highlights (via MommaG59)

Gimme Factor: Three and a half Gimme's out of five

Horns_bullet_mediumZed Woerner, Marble Falls -- More of a sleeper candidate, Woerner impressed Jeff Howe enough to earn the title of a "poor man's JW Walsh ($)," not at all a back-handed compliment, as least not to an admitted Walsh fanboy like myself. Listed as a dual threat quarterback, Woerner isn't as athletic as Walsh, but has the physical tools and intangibles to increase his stock with a strong junior season.

Gimme Factor: Two Gimme's out of five

Horns_bullet_mediumBrooks Haack, Katy -- Leading a high school powerhouse like Katy to the state championship game in the highest classification as a sophomore is no small feat -- that's the major achievement already on the resume of the rail-thin Haack. Standing 6-1 and extremely generously listed at 180 pounds, Haack probably goes no more than 150 pounds soaking wet at this point and the major concern is that he has such a thin frame, all the way from his legs to his upper body. In other words, he doesn't have a particularly projectable frame.

The Katy signal caller does have a strong arm for his size and, like Knight, maximizes it with strong footwork and a quick release ($). With his experience on one of the biggest stages in high school football anywhere in the country, Haack's maturity and intangibles are not under question. What is under question is his ability to add muscle mass to his frame become durable enough to make it through the rigors of a season in major college football.

Gimme Factor: Two and a half Gimme's out of five

Horns_bullet_mediumEarly 2012 Narrative

The quarterback situation at Texas already represents an embarassment of riches with Garrett Gilbert, Connor Wood, and Case McCoy all on campus and with significant amounts of eligibility remaining, as well as the commitment from David Ash in the 2011 class. Ash already made the decision to ignore the depth chart to attend the school of his dreams, will another top quarterback be able to make the same choice in 2012?

Don't underestimate the confidence of a player like Davis, the type talented enough to disregard any depth chart at any school in the country. It's also the case that Davis' mechanics are raw enough that it could take him several seasons of maturation in college before being capable of throwing the ball well enough to keep defenses honest, making him a better fit in the class if he's willing to take his time refining his game in the pocket.

And though it seems like a no-brainer to pursue Davis, the class represents a major test of the team's offensive philosophy moving forward. Do Mack Brown and Greg Davis foresee a multiple offense often using a tight end and an H-back as the offense of the long-term future, or could the pendulum swing back towards a spread option offense truly featuring the zone read for the first time since 2007 or, arguably, 2005?

It's a major choice and so the safe pick could end up being a player like Knight, who is much in the mold of someone like Wood or Ash -- a quarterback with the feet to make plays under pressure when the pocket breaks down scrambling to pass or run, but not a candidate for a zone-read based offense. Where Davis would stretch the limits of Davis' creativity and ability to implement some of the evolutions in the zone-read series, Knight would fit seamlessly into whatever offense ends up showcasing the talents of Gilbert, Wood, and Ash.

The good news is that while Davis looks at times like a trascendent talent, if the coaching staff decides that they want a more refined pocket passer to fit what looks like the current vision of the offense moving forward, there's so much talent at the position already that Davis will not make or break this class.

Young certainly demonstrated the viability of a running quarterback running a Greg Davis offense and the appeal of better numbers in the running game is strong, but the most recent lesson is that of Colt McCoy at the Rose Bowl this year -- relying on the quarterback in the running game can lead to catastrophic results in the biggest moments. Is that a risk to which Brown and Davis are now extremely averse? The recruitment of Matt Davis may provide some answers.

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I love the Sunkist "Gimme Factor" :)

and I would assume that part of the QB choice depends on the RB(s) we get this year…

by UTLawGrad on Jun 28, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

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by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Davis could play QB and probably will

but to me he looks 100% like a running back. Really a powerful runner for a guy who plays QB.

by 3rdGenHorn on Jun 28, 2010 1:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Davis = Russell Sheppard, imho. nt

Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground. I was bummin' in a hole-in-the-wall town in what is now called "Utah".

by kriess on Jun 28, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

hahahahh davis looks like a bulkier, way slower russell sheppard..

davis looks more like sherrod harris if anything

"We'll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

by greenspointexas on Jun 28, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

maybe I should have clarified: Davis = Sheppard by way of how he’ll be used in college. Not in looks or skill set. and he is not way slower than Sheppard. Boy has got some very nice fluid strides. That reminds me of VY, whereas it doesn’t look like he’s gonna fly by you, until he does.

Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground. I was bummin' in a hole-in-the-wall town in what is now called "Utah".

by kriess on Jun 28, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

watching Davis run. He didn’t look like a burner but was just such a fluid runner that it is deceiving.

I’m going to go ahead and throw my hat in the ring on this one, too.

I only saw one pass of Davis’ and it wasn’t bad but Knight has very solid mechanics and good zip on his ball. Knight would be my best guess as of now.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jun 28, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ironically

“Where Davis would stretch the limits of Davis’ creativity and ability to implement some of the evolutions in the zone-read series” could be take multiple ways loo. I agree with kriess that Davis definitely could be the next Sheppard. That one throw from the video clip was some of the worst mechanics I’ve ever witnessed. Most people who don’t even play football other than in the back yard have a better throwing motion :/

by GoHornsGo90 on Jun 28, 2010 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's not be that dramatic

On a sprint out to the left and throwing across your body is not an easy throw by any means. He did manage to deliver the ball well, though I would have liked to have seen him get his hips around quicker and make a sharper throw, especially in the end zone.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jun 28, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't being dramatic

It was really, really bad mechanics. You know it too, being a coach. I’m not even going to get into stuff like hips and such, but that throwing motion was flag football level at best…

by GoHornsGo90 on Jun 28, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it was flag football level

He would not be playing QB at the 5A level in Texas. Like I said, being dramatic. I’ll give you that he short armed the ball and dropped his elbow but you also need to see the throw in its context: he was on a sprint out throwing across his body with pressure from the front and back. Not many high school Qb’s much less elite one’s maintain great mechanics in such a situation.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jun 28, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

he p

he pulled up his sprint short, planted his feet ahead of him, and snapped the ball ASAP because a defender was about to hit him… certainly an easy time to have mechanics break down

by Displaced Longhorn on Jun 29, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't that rare of a situation

I have seen dozens of high school football teams (yes 5A) that have a QB that can’t throw. Hell Hershcel Sims’ brother played QB and ran every freakin’ play.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jun 29, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ronnell Sims

also completed 121-189 for 64% and 17 TDs last year. Now he’s no Peyton Manning but…

"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jun 29, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ronnell Sims

Is his cousin. You’re right, he pounded out 200+ against Katy in the championship game, including a long td on the 2nd play of the game.

by KratosWasASooner on Jun 29, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zed Woerner will be a junior this year.

While he will have a decent OL and a couple of stand-out receivers, particularly 6-4 David Morgan who is 1-A quality, the problem is depth and a tough 4-A district with two big schools just on the edge of 5A and, of course, Lake Travis. Their 7-on-7 team is undefeated last I heard; plan to see them tomorrow if there’s time after I get out of a 6:30 meeting at city hall.

Early in the season last year Zed was hitting nearly 70% but that went down when a ton of injuries decimated the OL and he faced much greater pressure the rest of the season. Early on, the big hoss at TB (Austin Sparks) also go hurt but he’s back this season, so there should be a much stronger running game to take the pressure off Zed. He really had to carry the load in district and that’s tough on a sophomore.

Zed has great sense of the field and good vision and eludes pressure well. He’s shown good strength at this point, will probably grow to about 6-2, 200 range. His older brother Thor was the QB before him…and the middle linebacker. At 6-2, 228 he just brutalized people but didn’t have the passing arm or receivers Zed has. He was offered by Navy as a LB but went to Angelo State where he felt more comfortable.

His father, Cord Woerner, is the head coach and his grandfather, the late Roy Woerner, was a coach here as well, so he has football blood in his veins and is tough as a boot. Cord came back to his hometown when the program was in the doldrums of a 22-game losing skein and has built it back up to middle of the pack status. That was really one of the toughest assignments you can take in the coaching profession. These next two years represent the culmination of a lot of hard work.

As a cute factoid, the last game that Garrett Gilbert lost as a starter was to Marble Falls in the eighth grade. There’s a coach here especially proud of that. Fortunately he’s a big Texas fan or I wouldn’t have mentioned it.

by whills on Jun 28, 2010 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I went to college with Cord at Howard Payne University.

Toughest, craziest, scariest dude I’ve ever met in my life … the only guy I’ve ever been around who I knew could squash me at any second … but hilarious to be around. Think a cross between the build of Randy White, formerly of the Cowboys, and the intensity of Warren Sapp when he’d go psycho. A very tough & quick middle LB but never a QB. Big ripped guy w/out an ounce of fat. After his eligibilty was up, he was the QB for an intramural team made up of former football players, including 2 former D-III QBs. Very athletic thrower & runner. His sons (being QBs) don’t surprise me one bit. & I guarantee they are tough nuts having a Dad like that. Played against him in softball too when Cord hit a foul over the deep fence in left field and he spider-webbed his own truck’s windshield. Cussed himself out right then & there … then couldn’t stop laughing. After college, he coached at Early and I believe he was suspended after a practice in which he lined up, padless, against a HS lineman in pads … and mowed him over.

by robthecob on Jun 28, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shades of Bear Bryant. I hadn't heard that story but I can believe it.

I played for his dad, an assistant coach (but there was only two coaches in a class A school) from my sophomore through senior year back in the 60s. I remember him saying he played baseball with Norm Cash (Detroit later) in college, Sul Ross I think. Played on a softball team with him much later…he caught. We lost four games the whole summer, won about 50. Jeez, that guy could whack the ball. They were a lot of fun but they played to win on the field, period.

I can see Cord getting down at pad level with his guys. All of them are built like that. Zed’s listed as 6-2, 185 this year, so my projections are pretty close. He has a live arm but is definitely in the category of “football player,” someone who just plays the game as natural as can be. He’s a great kid of character as well.

Cord came here from Cross Plains, a 2A school, and coming into 4A school he had some adjustment. As athletic director, he has much more responsibility across the board but he’s adjusted well. Give him a call.

by whills on Jun 28, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Davis is definitely a "Gimme".

"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite

by Sunkist on Jun 28, 2010 6:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Sounds like Cord Woerner

is a gimme as an, oh, I guess I’d call it a motivational specialist.

by edsp on Jun 28, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too damn funny.

People watch 3 plays on a highlight versus a team that you most likely have no idea how good they are and you decide whether Matt Davis is a legitimate prospect as a D-1 quarterback or not. Davis is player plain and simple. Saw Vince in high school and I saw Sheppard, He isn’t VY, he might be a leader, he might want to be the man, but there was only one VY. Biggest issue for VY was how quick he was for being as tall as he was at 6’5". I have seen other big quarterbacks in the Houston area that were fast (Bobby Reid, Bobby Gray, Odell James), but none of them were as quick as VY. Davis is quick and whoever said it above glides much like VY did, but he is closer to 6’1" than 6’5". He can run, you can see that in the long run versus DeKaney. Those aren’t slow db’s he was running away from on that run. He also is like Vince in that he varies his throwing motion to get the ball where it needs to go. The throws aren’t always pretty, but Davis is accurate and for anyone who questions his ability to play at a high level go ask The Woodlands. Davis carried Forest on his back in the second half. I never believed Sheppard was a D-I quarterback, I have no doubt Matt will be one

by davey o'brien on Jun 28, 2010 9:03 PM CDT reply actions  

You mean see at least two

plays on video where he throws the ball? Funny how this argument used to come up all the time with Vince with the same dart-throwing style motion on the run and Texas fans would rush to defend him by pointing to his completion percentage.

by davey o'brien on Jun 29, 2010 4:54 AM CDT reply actions  

VY

Is a million times better scrambler than, well, everybody except Mike Vick and after 3 years in college the same complaints about his passing existed so, yeah, there was an extremely high chance that he could have ended his college career as a sub par passer. In case you forgot, he spent more years here as a terrible passer than as a good one…

by GoHornsGo90 on Jun 29, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

From what I understand Matt Davis went from Freshman QB to Varsity QB at 15. Big change. He managed to learn the speed of the game quickly, mind and body. He was tested and I think he passed as 13-5A is one tough district to take on. Matt is an exciting player to watch.

by sidelinerfor4 on Jun 29, 2010 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t have much to add, but I watched highlights of the QB Knight and came away pretty impressed.

by PeteyNhtown on Jun 29, 2010 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I've eaten a meal or two with Davis

I know this kid personally, used to be roommates with his big brother and watching him play junior high ball you could tell he was gonna develop the skill set it took to play D-I ball one day. He also runs track for the War Eagles and is the last leg on the 4×100 meter relay. Needless to say, the kid can roll. Along with what i’ve seen firsthand and on the reel, i think the kid could start at some big time school if given an opportunity..namely UT. Hook em’

To whom much is given, much is tested...

by Hookem58 on Jul 1, 2010 2:01 AM CDT reply actions  

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