"The Pac 10 blows up the Big XII and takes the best pieces and A&M"
Chip Brown has posted an article that might fuel the summer doldrums (at least until Friday's Baseball game). Looks like the Pac 10 want to invite Texas, Colorado, A&M, OU, OSU, and Tech to make a 16 team conference. They want to elope and start making babies right off the bat. No waiting. Just git it done. Thought????
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1090747
Cheers. Post was long enough before I posted the wrong link. Damn cut and past.
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Interesting
If Pac 10 offers, it would make it obvious that NU and Mizzou need to commit to a long-term Big XII conference or else.
Typically Aggies would prefer the lack of academics in the SEC. Maybe they will get retroactively voted out of the AAU. And, OU belongs in the SEC—they are more equivalent to those programs in standards. But, if OU, OSU and A&M prefer the SEC, it leaves a lot of questions to be answered on how to merge with the Pac 10.. UGH
Can’t we just play football already?
Hell no
As an A&M alum, I want NOTHING to do with the SEC. The PAC-10 is a far superior conference in every way except football, and will be better in football after expansion.
Stop being a whiny bitch and acknowledge that fact that A&M really is a top tier academic institution.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Jun 10, 2010 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Bill Byrne just found out what conference realignment is.
Bill Byrne was asked if the SEC is an option for the Aggies should the Big 12 break up, and he said, “It might be. You know what? It might be.”
He answers this question as if:
Bill Byrne was asked if a granola bar would be a good idea for breakfast in case the planned bacon and eggs falls through, and he said, “It might be. You know what? It might be.”
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 3, 2010 3:10 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, that wasn't a very strong statement
I assume that the Big 10 “might be” an option for them to. I do understand the travel concern. That is a pretty big issue that is a challenge for all student athletes and not just football.
Now it begins . . .
Big 10 and SEC are going to have to think about whether they still want UT at this point. UT is going to have to think about where it wants to go.
PAC-10
PAC-10, if the other Big 12 South Teams + Colorado go (with baylor instead of tech) is a much better fit for UT. Better academics, better profile in every sport except football, and with expansion a better football profile than the SEC. That conference could easily command a 30 mil+ per team deal, per year.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Jun 10, 2010 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the more shocking part in the article
was the portion about Nebraska not really being an option for the Big 10 vs. Missouri.
I expected the Pac 10 to try and jump into all of this, but the blurb on Nebraska cemented a question I had in regards to Nebraska’s financial viability in regrads to the Big 10 Network business model.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
That would explain Dr Tom´s groveling
Wouldn´t be ironic – if after all their whining that NU would be begging for conference affiliation or begging the Horns to stay in Big XII? If Big 10 shuns NU, Mizzou bolts, and the Pac 10 takes the Big XII six pack – what option does NU have? You see Dr. Tom, tradition doesn´t mean as much after 15 years of mediocrity.
Oh man Im happy
I do not know why but a Divsion of South West Schools instead of Midwest seems so good. 6 Big XII teams plus the two ’Zona schools in one and the PAC 8 in the other.
Something about that doesn't add up
Primarily the something about the schools being offered on an apparently individual basis. I doubt the PAC 10 would risk being stuck with Tech, OU, OSU, and Colorado without guarantees from both A&M and UT.
I somehow also doubt those guarantees will be extended unless/until the Big 10 has the opportunity to make a serious counteroffer.
proud to swim home
Exactly
My thoughts are the same about Tech, OU and Okie Lite. I find it very hard to believe the PAC 10 would take those schools. I don’t want to demean any of those schools, but would Stanford vote them in?
what are the other options?
Would it make more sense to take less prestigious schools than Texas and A&M (maybe say, Utah and BYU, for example), or take Texas and A&M but satiate them by also taking Tech? Similarly, I imagine the tradeoff of getting the prestige of OU athletics along with Texas athletics is worth the precipice of OU academics.
Travel to Pac-10
While I love playing the Pac-10 schools, it would really be a drain for all the other sports.
But, this does give us a very viable option should Mizzou and/or NU decide to bail on us, and it is a much better option than replacing them by taking two less qualified, non AAU schools which would form a weaker Big XII. It sure would leave Kansas, KState and Iowa State out in the cold.
The more and more I think of all this I really hope that the Big XII just stays as is.
You think that
but in reality it wouldn’t. The Baseball(PAC has 26 nat’l titles compared to 7 for the SEC) and Basketball of the PAC are far superior to the SEC. Women’s sports are much better in the PAC-10. The other non major sports are just as successful, if not moreso, in the PAC than the SEC
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Jun 10, 2010 3:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I call BS
There is no way on God’s green earth the PAC 10 will allow in ou, tech and osu. The conference has a unanimous vote to allow in memebers and I find it difficult to believe Stanford would allow 3 academically challenged schools into the league. We didn’t even get their vote in the 90’s.
Never gonna happen people.
Your tongue can't repel flavor of that magnitude!!
by UT2001 on Jun 3, 2010 3:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
They voted for ASU.
And I do not believe for a second that their vote against Texas inclusion in the mid-90s was because Texas did not meet their Academic threshold.
& Oregon State and Washington State for that matter
Texas and A&M were well over and beyond their academic threshold.
They didn't vote for OSU and WSU.
Those schools have been a part of the conference forever. The Arizona schools, however, were granted membership by the collective in the early 80’s.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 3, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is the gist of what former Pac-10 Commissioner Tom Hansen mentioned about the courtship of Texas
It’s been a long time and memories do tricks to you but Texas was in my opinion based on communications, Texas was very interested and it thought initially might be able to come alone. Then about the time things were really getting serious it was made clear to us by Texas-Austin that it couldn’t get clear of A&M. We invited A&M but before we got a clear signal from A&M, Ann Richards who was then the governor said Baylor’s my alma mater and they’re going wherever Texas and Texas A&M go and then in a less clear message, but still pretty well defined, we were told the legislators who control the oil money that goes to the Texas universities was controlled either by alumni of or representatives of the area of Texas Tech and now there was a group of four and we were not interested in going from 10 to 14 so we said ‘thank you anyway.’ But Texas alone was very favorably inclined to consider our offer.
by ximiankernel on Jun 3, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aggies will decide
Regardless of the conference we participate in, the prospect of a Southwest division: the 3 Texas schools + the two Arizonas + 2 Oklahoma schools & Colorado will make it interesting . Of all the Big XII schools, Texas A&M will bring in the most complete athletic program to whichever conference it goes (Football elites+ defending Big XII baseball champions+ rising basketball powerhouse etc.). Jointly bidding for Tu and A&M (+ Tech as a bonus) will make for a very strong proposition.
Just wow
Your tongue can't repel flavor of that magnitude!!
by UT2001 on Jun 3, 2010 3:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Obviously this is a plot
hatched by west coast dental schools and wind power fanatics.
I am honestly so, so happy you post here.
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 3, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you mean to capitalize "T"?
Just looking out for you.
by Infield Elephant on Jun 3, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So thoughtful. nt
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground. I was bummin' in a hole-in-the-wall town in what is now called "Utah".
Seriously, Are you on drugs?
Anyone with half a brain knows that ut has the power in the situation. There is no doubt that the Pac-10 takes the other teams from the Big 12 if texas doesn’t come along for the ride.
by redraidercominatya on Jun 3, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
There is no doubt that the Pac-10 does not take the other teams from the Big 12 if texas doesn’t come along for the ride. – WHOOPs
by redraidercominatya on Jun 3, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember my first beer...
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground. I was bummin' in a hole-in-the-wall town in what is now called "Utah".
by kriess on Jun 3, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The writer of the article will be on Paul Finebaum at 4:05 ET for those who want to hear him speak about what he knows.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
yeah.. CT time... My bad
4:05 CT
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Radio show cliff notes version..
Next week they will take a vote and most likely approve invitations to TT,UT,A&M,OU,OSU and Col.
All started from the Big 12/Pac 10 TV alliance talks.
Pac-10 wanted to join the central timezone and wants to start their own network. Fox is ready to launch a network with Pac-10 and wants the best scenario as far as pop coverage as possible. Need answers in 6 months or less.
6 month time frame due to the TV contracts.
Pac-10 is willing to preserve the state of Texas rivalries due to the fact that it drives TV revenue. The Pac-10 is doing what it can to entice Texas. The sticking point is A&M and their AD. They don’t want to deal with the travel.
Pac-10 is forcing the hand of everyone else.
7 division games and a 2 or 3 from other division.
Nothing new or earth shattering that wasn’t in the article. Biggest snag so far is A&M and travel concerns.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
The Aggies need to think long and hard
Do they really want to step out from behind the protection of Big Bro? There are pros and cons for all involved. This assumes the SEC even wants them. I would bet yes, but then who else would they include-ISU, Kansas or Kstate?
Texas A&M (Apes & Monkeys)
I dout they would decline considering that Texas and Texas Tech accept (along with OU and OSU). This package allows for regional conference games inside of the division along with AZ and ASU. This would considerably make the transition easier for travel. THe excuse for the long travel goes away since there would have heavy intra divisional play. The small porion of play beteen divisions would be marginal as far as travel and wouldn’t be much different to out of conference travel.
SEC Sucks
The reason to join the PAC along with UT is because the conference is better. Joining the SEC would be something we would regret, even if UT came along, for a long long time.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Jun 10, 2010 3:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed going SEC is a dumb move for the Ags
Being in PAC, they are in the range of being number 4,5 or 6. Being SEC they will at best be number 6
Considering past history, I doubt Byrne and A&M can actually make the decision for themselves. The Leg will step in and have a say, no matter what happens.
True
But this time Baylor doesn’t have Gov. Richards to protect them. Heck, nobody probably feels like putting their neck out to protect Tech after the nonsense they pulled on Leach.
I think that I want the Big XII to stay as is but I’m not sure anymore.
Did he say anything about his sources?
And do you guys trust this guy one way or the other?
Well the pieces fit
the Fox angel is right as far as the TV networks and possible new network deals. That makes the time frame right.
The question just falls into how does it work with academics. UT, A&M and Col are not the problem academically. It is TT, OU and OSU. This might be mitigated by having the hardcore academic schools of the Pac 10 able push their academic rejects in ASU and AU to the SW division.
This also falls in line with the Cal representative saying they expect the Pac -10 meeting to revolutionize college sports…
I guess we will know next week, but this is at least plausible.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I'll be very interested to see what counter-offer the other conferences make
I don’t think anyone expected the Pac 10 to “condescend” to OU and OSU. If Stanford is willing to swallow that, who else might be?
proud to swim home
Good question
I’m more than a little surprised that the Pac-10 would want Tech and Okie Lite rather than Utah (or maybe Utah and BYU), but I suppose part of that is due to the OU-OSU ties, which are lukewarm, but still there.
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by burntorangehorn on Jun 4, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
the PAC 10
wants Texas, and based on this, they feel like the only way to get Texas is to include OU & A&M, and this leads to why Tech and OSU were included along with Colorado. So the next move is BIg 10(11) picking up the Big 12 pieces, Nebraska (12), Iowa State (13), Kansas (14), Kansas State (15), Missouri (16).
The football landscaps Shifts from SEC dominence to..
1a: Pac 16
1b: Big 16
3: SEC (now they will want to expand to 16, maybe Florida State (13), Miami (14), Georgia Tech (15) & North Carolina (16)
4. ACC/Big East merger with a 16 team conference
Clemson (1), Boston College(2), Wake Forest (3), NC State (4), Maryland (5), Virginia Tech (6), Virginia (7), Duke (8), Cincinnati (9), Pitt (10), West Virginia (11), Rutgers (12), UCONN (13), South Florida (14), Louisville (15) & Syracuse (16)
by Ryan2907 on Jun 4, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Texas is the prize...
That should be evident, and we’re willing to offer whatever makes you feel comfortable.
A&M is not just a way to get TU
It’s also the only other school truly worth pulling into the PAC-10. It has the academics and the breadth of athletics to match very well with the conference. Colorado, as an AAU member, is also the other good fit.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Jun 10, 2010 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I want no part in any deal that has FOX involved.
by ryanlionrah on Jun 4, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm on board with this
Screw FOX in every orifice.
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by burntorangehorn on Jun 4, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
The BTN isn’t all that great, but at least they don’t have as many annoying graphics all over the screen.
by dimecoverage on Jun 4, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
FOX also just slaughters football broadcasts
FOX NFL is garbage, but not for the same reasons that their college broadcasts are usually garbage. I’d rather have TBS and Versus running the show.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 4, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Cleatus Fails

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jun 4, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I've always wondered why a robot needs to do warmup drills during pre-game
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 4, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
or play air guitar
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jun 5, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Thom Brenneman...
…(or whatever his name is) on Tim Tebow “If you ever get to spend 15 minutes with Tebow, then you are a better person for it!”…Blow me Thom.
As a side note, who the fuck spells the name Tom with an “h”? I’d rather follow a gamecast than listen to that dipshit.
Leave for a couple of hours and all hell breaks loose...
Gotta think about this for a bit. I would suggest that the title for the FanPost be changed. This ain’t no merger.
"The Pac 10 blows up the Big XII and takes the best pieces and A&M"
by Hopkins Horn on Jun 3, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Thanks Bevoboy! This has to be one of the best threads ever....
right up there with the 25 inning game and beerguttin’ it up thread….
by SneezyBeltran on Jun 5, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
If UT accepts
I hope they maintain the rights to regional tv revenue that they would have as an independent or as a member of the SEC.
Stoops vs. Stoops
I’m pretty sure they have gone on record saying they would like to avoid playing each other. Guess we’ll see.
by KratosWasASooner on Jun 3, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions
On competing Stooooopids
I don’t think that the whims of 2 football coaches (one of whom was on the hotseat just a year or 2 ago) is quite enough to derail the juggernaut of expansion. This is quite a bit bigger than either of them.
I was actually hinting at coaching changes.
I like your words though. Stooooopids. Whims.
by KratosWasASooner on Jun 3, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
My knee-jerk reaction: ridiculous
Which is precisely why it might happen.
Okie State and Tech don’t bring much gravitas academically or in terms of TV numbers. Travel would be brutal. Former Big 12 teams (except Colorado) would lose a lot of following to west coast start times. I can see ADs and school presidents springing for A&M at Oregon State volleyball, Tech at Stanford women’s soccer, Texas at Washington State tennis.
I wonder if they just keep a heavy dose of division games
in all sports with some overlap with other divisions to cut down travel.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Travel
is almost a non issue if the 8 team “East” division is formed (AZ, AZ state, OU, OSU, Tech, UT, A&M, Colorado)
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Jun 10, 2010 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions
You'd sort of hate to be running the show
at Baylor, Iowa State and the Kansas duo at this point.
If the Pac10 goes to 16, then the big 10 will too, I bet.
Which likely means Mizzou and Nebraska for sure, probably KU, and maybe ISU/KSU as well.
I can't see KU not</> winding up in a major conference . . .
. . . and BU and KSU might join Boise into a 12-team MWC.
This all speculative right now, of course.
MWC
Picks up K-State, Kansas, and Boise, maybe some others
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Jun 10, 2010 3:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Those are really likely for the Big 10 if things fall apart
ND is still hard to predict. If not maybe Kansas or ISU. I know they aren’t the football powerhouse, but they are geographically good and they have excellent academics and are AAU members. No way KState is even considered by the Big 10.
Yeah, I don't see ISU or KSU heading to the Big 10 . . .
. . . so long as there are Big East schools like Rutgers out there as well.
Agree on KSU unless the Big 10 just decided to merge the two conferences for the sake of ease.
But you never know with ISU, considering Iowa is in the Big 10. Of course there’s more to it than that (not much of which is in any way helpful to ISU). But you can’t discount Iowa.
From reading all the Big 10 talk . . .
. . . on Frank’s blog, the view seems to be universal that, for whatever reason, Iowa state politics won’t force Iowa to vouch for ISU in the same way that Tech and Baylor joined the Big XII or that VT joined the ACC.
Iowa state politics are irrelevant because...
Iowa has no way to leverage ISU into the Big Ten. The reason that Texas state politics were influential in the formation of the Big 12 is because they had leverage over the Big 8 schools. The Texas politicians were able to force the Big 8 schools into taking some of the Texas hanger-ons if they wanted to get Texas into the conference. Meanwhile, Virginia Tech was able to get into the ACC because Virginia Tech had a highly attractive football program. While Virginia politicians definitely pushed the move, if Virginia Tech wasn’t an attractive choice, they would not have gotten into the ACC.
Iowa State is not an attractive candidate to the Big Ten because they bring nothing into the conference. The only leverage that Iowa politicians could use against the Big Ten is to threaten to force Iowa to leave the conference unless they took Iowa State. The Big Ten would shrug and let Iowa leave if that threat was made. As such, the state of Iowa will not make a move that will harm the flagship university of the state in a futile attempt to land its second major university a home for its generally bad athletic teams.
The Big 10 would never accept ISU or KSU academically.
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 3, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
ISU
is an AAU school. Academically ISU is just fine. TV wise…they add nothing that Iowa doesn’t deliver
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Yeah, not quite sure what he's referring to
Iowa State is a very good academic fit for the Big Ten. But it doesn’t deliver a single new TV set.
ISU
Until all this realignment talk started I had know idea Iowa State was an AAU member and a well respected academic institution. I’m actually glad to learn more about them. Apparently they have excellent research facilities. Unfortunately, they just don’t have much to offer in terms of football viewers.
Iowa State becomes a member of the Mountain West Conference.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
You'd think KU would be an obvious one
ISU, well, maybe. But KU is such an enormous basketball draw, bigger than anything the Big Ten has had in recent memory, and has become at least an inconsistent threat in football.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 4, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Re: KU's big basketball draw vs. SWC reunion
This is one reason why I hope all this realignment talk is bogus (although I’d enjoy having a reason to travel back to Tucson a few times a year when we’d play UofA). I love having KU in the same conference as UT for basketball – one of the few bright spots I saw (other than NU in football) in the SWC to Big XII switcharoo. If we’re going to lose these two programs, I say… let’s blow everyone’s minds and reunite the SWC, start our own damn network and tell everyone else to stick in their ear. Yes, I did start drinking early today.
If prop 4 (or was it 5?..) really does turn Tech in to a Tier 1 school, the academic concerns for taking those teams would be reduced.
If the rumor is true . . .
. . . would it be contingent upon all six schools accepting?
I mean, it would be funny if Tech and OSU said yes, while Texas, A&M and OU parlayed this offer into offers from other conferences.
Interesting . . .
. . . I just did a perusal of some of the SB Nation Pac 10 blogs, and those that are covering this right now have comment sections which seem to be universally in favor.
The only fans that have a good reason not to support this are for those teams in the Big 12 being left behind. From a Pac-10 perspective, this sounds like an amazing proposition. Even the traditionalists should be happy due to the old Pac-8 getting back together. I just hope they can figure a way to give an auto Rose Bowl bid to the Pac-8 champion or something.
Cheers,
Cal fan
Welcome over here--Good in terms of media and realligning old Pac 8
But, bad in terms that they would be traveling to Texas and Oklahama also, so it cuts both ways. That is my biggest concern—traveling for the athelets of all sports. Believe me, I will love coming out to LA or Stanford instead of Columbia freakin’ Missouri.
I’m afraid A&M actually has a good concern that even if we try to limit most conference play to division teams it is a lot of miles for young student athletes from a geographic aspect.
The Rose Bowl—Not much discussion so far about bowl games, but IF the conferences expand to this whole “super conference” concept it may actually help the ongoing drama of the MNC and the Bowls. The conference championship games would become de-facto play off games and then the bowl games could be the ‘semi-finals’ with a plus one BCS Final for the winner of say Pac10/Big 12 vs. BIg 10 (16) for the Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl (alternating 1s vs. 2s). The Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl could be SEC 16 vs. ACC/BIG East merger 16 teams also alternating no. 1 and no. 2s of both conferences. Then the winners of the Rose/Fiesta could play the winners of the Sugar/Orange Bowl. Doesn’t solve the other conferences problems. Independents should be barred (sorry ND-join a conference already).
travel wouldn't be a huge issue
I think most of the games would be division centric, with only a little crossover. Eg, football games against the seven other teams in your division with two crossover games. Other sports could be double round robin within your division with like four crossovers.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Orange Bowl mught be replaced by Cotton Bowl (Jerry World)
I read an article in the Dallas Mourning news that Jerry Jones and the BCS were in discussion of possible restoring the Cotton Bowl as a Top Tier Bowl. Possiblyadding or replacing the Orange since it really wasnt bringing producing as the other BCS bowls. That would definately help Texas as I am sure the new conference (Big 16/Pac 16) Would deffinately want to be tied in???
Ruh-roh!!!
I think Tom Osbourne is doing some pretty good Scooby impersonations right about now. He probably hates Texas even more now.
If this part of the Chip Brown story is correct:
But Nebraska has no assurance it will be invited to the Big Ten and could be left completely out of the power conference structure if it’s not careful.
We could soon be talking about whether Nebraska to the MWC would make sense. And that might cause me to giggle uncontrollably.
Per BDR today, I’m trying to be a much more mature and thoughtful commenter.
But that would make my day, too. And TCU to C-USA. Life would be sweet.
Now I'm giggling too--talk about having your corn husked
I think I know what DeLoss Dodds meant when he said we aren’t going to start it, but “if we need to finish it, we will finish it.”
I also suspect Kansas, KState, Baylor and Iowa State are freaking out. Talk about collateral damage.
Not happening
So says Halliburton via Twitter: Pac 10 commish shoots down report his league is about to invite 6 Big 12 schools. Says no invites, no near-term expansion plans.
by TexasTexasYeehaw on Jun 3, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions
Item on Bevo Beat, too
We are aware of a story filed today by an Orangebloods.com columnist, speculating about possible expansion plans for the Pac-10 Conference. While many interesting scenarios have been suggested in numerous news reports, around the country, we remain focused on a thorough evaluation process that examines all of the options for increasing the value of the conference for our member institutions, our student athletes and our fans. We have not developed any definitive plans. We have not extended any invitations for expansion and we do not anticipate any such decisions in the near term.
by TexasTexasYeehaw on Jun 3, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
In other words we are not going to talk about these issues at the time. We know they are out there, but we will not talk for or against expansion/dissolving right now.
Exactly
The press conference was re-scheduled for tomorrow, because the meeting is still in session. Obviously the Pac 10 commish is going to shoot down the report because nothing is for certain at this time. They can’t count their chickens before they hatch. These things take time. I can assure you, this is far from over at this point.
Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground. I was bummin' in a hole-in-the-wall town in what is now called "Utah".
As we thought earlier, it ain't happening
I don’t see the PAC-10 lowering their academic standards and “reducing” themselves to the SEC. Same thing for the Big televen- OU, OSU and Tech are non-starters for those 2 conferences.
Your tongue can't repel flavor of that magnitude!!
Money Talks
14-15 Years ago the money is not what it is today…. Especially a MAGA contract that would be expected? 20-25 Million a year. Im sure members in the PAC 10 will think twice.
Am I the only one out here that doesn't believe much of anything Chip Brown
says or reports. When he worked for the DMN he got cut-off completely from Mack and the football program for reporting on a story about Mack and Sally during OU weekend (wish I could remember the year.) Don’t know where he gets his so called sources, but I take everything he says with a grain of salt.
Sports is man's joke on God, You see, God says to man, 'I've created a universe where it seems like everything matters, where you'll have to grapple with life and death and in the end you'll die anyway, and it won't really matter.' So man says to God, 'Oh, yeah? Within your universe we're going to create a sub-universe called sports, one that absolutely doesn't matter, and we'll follow everything that happens in it as if it were life and death.'" - Sam Kellerman
This is just silly....
Mack Brown became all thinskinned when Chip pointed out some of the obvious – soft program, NFL scouts’ concerns, Robinson & Tomey introducing required toughness, etc. For a time the bad boy Chip had his wrist slapped by the local school marm. That all began well before the Sally article in 2006.
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Mack & Sally
She is dumbfounded by the angry, sarcastic postings on Internet message boards. The ones that blasted Mack, his staff and players even as the Longhorns were 10-2 and 11-1 before the 2005 national title. It would eat her alive, Mack has said.
She tries not to let it get to her as much, although she still scans the Internet for rumors about the team that might need to be addressed.
“If there’s something really important, Sally will bring it to me,” Mack said. “Otherwise, she knows I don’t need to be bothered with it.”
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/redrivershootout/texas/stories/100606dnsposallybrown.2bf4450.html
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Sally, if you are scanning the postings here
Please keep up the good work on the recruiting front-Many thanks. ;-) I always suspected you were the secret weapon. Also, let your hubby know that we love his leadership.
Do you think she will write me back?
Hey rBr...
…remember that word we were debating the appropriate usage of?
Just sayin’.
by Hopkins Horn on Jun 4, 2010 2:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I assume you are referring to yesterday's "word of the day"?
I actually think it would be very entertaining if you and rBr each did your own write-up on the appropriate usage of the word. Yesterday was very entertaining.
I've been fuelin' my dreams eatin' greens and beans.
I'm game if rBr is
Or perhaps, even better, we could each be presented with a few hypothetical situations, and we each give our responses to each.
And if rBr doesn’t agree, well, then, he’s a …
by Hopkins Horn on Jun 4, 2010 2:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm game if rBr is
Or perhaps, even better, we could each be presented with a few hypothetical situations, and we each give our responses to each.
And if rBr doesn’t agree, well, then, he’s a …
by Hopkins Horn on Jun 4, 2010 4:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
My definition of DB
To illustrate my point, I’m going to ask you to mentally replace “idiot” with DB while I break things down.
From Peyton Manning who had a DB run-in:
Here we are, I’m out at my third Pro Bowl, I’m about to go in and throw a touchdown to Jerry Rice, we’re honoring the Hall of Fame, and we’re talking about our idiot kicker who got liquored up and ran his mouth off. When I get home I’ll deal with it. If he still is a teammate, we’ll deal with it. That remains to be seen. The sad thing is, he’s a good kicker. But he’s an idiot.
Let’s break it down.
Here we are, I’m out at my third Pro Bowl, I’m about to go in and throw a touchdown to Jerry Rice, we’re honoring the Hall of Fame, and we’re talking about our idiot kicker
A) You’re a DB if (further usage “YADBI”): Someone is doing something awesome and you intentionally ruin their fun awesome fun-ness.
Idiot kicker who got liquored up and ran his mouth off
B) YADBI: You get liquored up and spout off like you’re a champion.
When I get home I’ll deal with it. If he still is a teammate, we’ll deal with it. That remains to be seen.
C) YADBI: Someone has to use the term “deal with” in regards to you.
The sad thing is, he’s a good kicker. But he’s an idiot.
D) YADBI: you ability to be awesome is inhibited by your idiocy.
I hope this helps clear everything up. Godspeed.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jun 5, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
If Facebook can successfully get Betty White on SNL...
…then surely we can harness its powers to convince Peyton Manning to use DB multiple times in one interview. Because that would be awesome.
And in the context above, I would approve. It would have been the perfect way to describe how Vanderjagt was acting. (And thinking about it, my problem yesterday wasn’t with the word itself — I think it’s a great word in the proper situation. I just think it’s a word best used in the proper context. And using it wantonly to describe someone whose preseason picks one disagrees with merely cheapens it. Haul it out when it has greater impact.)
(And, yes, I just said it was possible to cheapen “DB”.)
(That is all.)
I do
And I think the record shows that I side with you regarding this particular poseur poster.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jun 5, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
The blind mice....
… just hate to be reminded of the facts.
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I'm not disputing your Mack-Sally story in any way . . .
but Chip Brown is generally one of the better beat reporters around. I worked in the business long enough to know good from bad from lazy from showy.
He does have sources, he does beat other reporters to stories. His Pac-10 piece has multiple sources, though most are unnamed. I don’t like that concept, but it’s kind of how reporting works these days. Based on the responses (from school and conference sources) that I’ve seen, there aren’t any direct denials. There’s lots of talking around issues and avoiding direct comments.
Does anyone know what Thayer Evans is saying?
We could just report it and then we would know the exact opposite is true.
The "Tech Problem"
From an email written by the Ohio State president after a conversation with Powers, disclosed in an open records request by a Columbus newspaper:
“I did speak with Bill Powers at Texas, who would welcome a call to say they have a ‘Tech’ problem.”
I like that. The “Tech Problem.”
read this from a cal poster:
1) Are you guessing at the Pac 10 allowing Texas to keep the LSN even though they are joining the Pac 10 or have you read it somewhere? The report on Rivals quotes the Pac 10 commissioner as saying that the Pac 10 wants a network and "it would have to be an ‘all rights in situation.’"
2) Stanford does have a large endowment and a rich benefactor for the athletic department (Arrillaga, their version of Knight, Pickens), but even they had layoffs in their athletic department recently. I am not saying that would get the support of the academic side, but I can’t imagine the stanford AD would not seriously consider this plan.
3) I think people are overlooking the "division" concept. From the Pac 10, it is very ideal and overcomes some roadblocks. It returns the conference to the "Pac 8"; which some old time alums will like. For Stanford, it could give them cover as they could claim that it’s really an 8 team Pacific Conference and the conference is in an alliance with a southwest conference. De facto, that would be true, if for football a division plays a 7 game round robin and 2 crossover games that don’t count in determining the division champ. I have only been following the Big 12 as part of confernence expansion but divisions are beneficial for the Big 12 side too. It keeps rival teams together. It also will cut down on travel, which appears to be a concern of A&M. Lastly, contrary to Big 10 desires, having a core of Big 12 schools may make this work better for the Pac 16 because having a core of Big 12 schools in a division would be a more cohesive group. "Assimiliting" into the Pac 10 is less of an issue b/c at the bottom of it, the Pac 10 is only an athletic conference. There is no CIC or other academic links.
by rumplestiltsglenn on Jun 4, 2010 12:41 AM CDT reply actions
Aggie's concerns about travel
It’s not that their concerned about the costs so much as sending their aggie boys into places like Los Angeles and the SF Bay. Talk about fish out of water.
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by burntorangehorn on Jun 4, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Berkeley.
I want to be at the first Cal-A&M game. Worth the cost just to see the Aggies in Berkeley.
That's sorta where I was going
Imagine Casey Schaeffer’s act in Berkeley. Collective comment of the Telegraph panhandlers: “Dude…what a weirdo.”
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 4, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Reading through this entire series this morning
And the image of Aggies in Berkeley made me laugh out loud. Thanks.
Well if you ask me, this is a perfect expansion plan
First of all, I think Chip does have reliable sources. He has always done a pretty good job of reporting and writing, imo.
To me, the idea of keeping the 6 Big 12 schools in a conference division paired with the AZ schools sounds great. Some people asked what Tech brings? I might ask the same thing about atm? They both help to seal up the Texas media market.
At the end of the day, the whole conference expansion thing is about money. The academic fit, geography play a role, but for a price, anything can be had or done.
Bill Byrne better pull his head out from his a** or atm’s gonna get left behind and TCU would gladly take their spot.
Some teams I won’t miss……baylor, k-state, iowa state, missouri and oh yeah, nebraska, haha.
yeah, ha ha
a few years from now when nebraska has mega research facilities and budgets and we piddle around by comparison, we can sit around the tailgate and chuckle our fool heads off.
by rumplestiltsglenn on Jun 4, 2010 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Byrne doesn’t have to do anything. They know where UT goes, so goes A&M. It is a done deal. The Aggies just get to ride our coattails.
Do you thnk it's still that way Dime?
Does Bill Byrne just overestimate his power like I think he does?
by SneezyBeltran on Jun 4, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
It isn’t an issue of power. Bill and the Aggies are just along for the ride. No matter what, they get a good deal because of Texas.
The Leg will have the final say in the end…I can’t see it happening any other way.
Our embarrassment factor notwithstanding when people in another conference just shake their heads at the nut squeeze, the milk men on the sidelines, etc…
ariz and ariz st?
i don’t care what they think.
by rumplestiltsglenn on Jun 4, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
don't mind me
i’m just playing along.
by rumplestiltsglenn on Jun 4, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
You guys may not agree with his take on it
but Maize n Brew Dave just posted the funniest thing I’ve seen on the topic.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 4, 2010 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
my favorite part
Iowa State: HI IOWA. YOU GOING TO CALL ME THIS WEEKEND? /crackle/
/Iowa shields face with hand, all his Big Ten friends laugh at him/
/Iowa State turns her wheelchair back to the table/
Iowa State: HE’S MY COUSIN. EVERY NOW AND THEN HE GETS DRUNK AND HE LETS ME MAKE OUT WITH HIM.
Colorado: Oh MY GOD, Iowa State. Shut up!
I also enjoyed the Kansas bit
but it was all pretty strong.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 4, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
my fav:
Oklahoma State: So what’s up with Nebraska and Missouri hanging out with those Big Ten guys?
A&M: Oh my God, it’s like Missouri can’t get enough of them. All Missouri does is talk about how great the Big Ten is. All the Big Ten would have to do is say “Big Ten Network” “boo” and her legs would be in the air.
Texas Tech: Not like Nebraska’s any different. Nebraska asked me what kind of thong is easiest to get out of. If the Big Ten asks, we’ll never see those two again.
I think A&M doesn't want to party with the Pac-10
Cuz her parents make her come home when the street lights turn on. This could just go on and on and on. Freakin’ hilarious and I can picture each one so cleraly. Iowa State and her wheelchair-wrong but hilarious.
That party of A&M waiving the SEC and them ignoring her is funny too.
Big Ten or Pac 10?
Random question here from a Big Ten fan (that NU in my name is for Northwestern, not the Huskers):
If it came down to Big Ten v. Pac 10, which conference would Texas fans prefer?
(And assume the Pac 10 deal is the Texas-A&M-TTech-Oklahoma-OSU-Colorado idea already floated, while Big Ten would be Texas and A&M along with Nebraska, probably Mizzou, and either Kansas, Notre Dame, or maybe Oklahoma)
Just curious to hear your thoughts….I personally think Big Ten is a better fit (less time zone issues, similar academic quality in the institutions, established network already, huge TV markets, more passionate fanbases than the Pac 10, and some great potential rivalries), but I’d love to hear what Texas fans are thinking.
On this board, you'll find a split, with a slight Pac 10 majority.
A lot of that comes down to weather, geography and baseball. There’s also a degree of perception lag from the “Big 10 is slow myth”, and conjecture about the long term prospects of the rust belt.
Of course, as one of the resident Big 10 cheerleaders here, my thoughts largely align with your own. My only serious concern is baseball. On a similar note, how is the Big 10 at softball? I don’t remember that being discussed anywhere.
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Pretty solid, for schools up north
Michigan has a very good program, and Northwestern ended up in the finals of the NCAA Softball championships a couple years back.
In fact, generally, the Big Ten is pretty strong in women’s sports. Penn State’s volleyball program is top notch, there are a couple excellent (men’s and women’s) soccer programs, Northwestern’s women’s lacrosse team won 5 straight NCAA championships (before coming in 2nd this year), and some very strong women’s basketball teams.
Throw in wrestling (Iowa is unbelievably good, and I know Northwestern has had a couple individual national champions), tennis (some solid teams), and swimming (some great programs), and I don’t think baseball would be that much of a step down (if a step down at all).
You inadvertently brought up one of the bigger differences between UT and most of the Big 10
I live about ten minutes from Wrigley, and pay far more attention to UT baseball than the cubs. College baseball in Texas is a much bigger deal (evidence the coverage on this blog and in local papers) while at least in my experience, the MLB has the hearts and minds of folks in Big 10 country. Of course, in Wisconsin, that’s somewhat of a default.
You’re right, the Big 10 would be an excellent spot for many non-revenue sports (I’m pretty sure UT doesn’t have a wrestling team) but as non-revenue sports go, baseball will present the biggest roadblock.
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Here's another question
If Texas were to come to the Big Ten, who would they (well, more accurately, you as fans) want to go with them, assuming the Big Ten expanded to 16?
Keep in mind, academics will matter to the Big Ten….so Texas Tech is probably a “problem” (quoting Ohio State President Gordon Gee) in that respect, as well as Oklahoma State, and maybe even Oklahoma. (Texas and A&M have no such problem as AAU members). And feel free to include Big East teams and Notre Dame in your preferred expansion….
I believe the “‘Tech’ problem” was our own Bill Powers in correspondence with Gee. As a Texas and NU grad, I may not be wholly objective, but I’ll would prefer a UT, A&M, ND (sure they’re not in the AAU, but the professional programs are excellent and they own a lot of eyeballs across the country), and Nebraksa for the opening volley.
For the fifth team:
In a pure fantasy world, I would like Tech to have a long term (20 year) plan that if achieved would lead to admission, set out by the CIC and the conference (and possibly the AAU), to give the Texas leg. a baseline for raising it to national prominence instead of the current legislative strategy of fumbling around in the dark and shotgunning relatively small amounts of money around the state.
Out of the box alternatives:
Rice and Tulane offer more to the Big 10 than anyone else in the BCS race as AAU members, but their athletics are a few notches below NU so they present the opposite concern from OU. Of those, I believe Tulane probably brings more to the CIC, but the odds are so low it doesn’t merit much exploration.
Because the above suggestions are pure, unadulterated fantasy, I’ll take the Mizzou, over Rutgers and Pitt. That said, I suppose if I weren’t concerned about geography relative to Texas in any way, I’d be more inclined to take PItt.
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The dark, dark horse candidate du jour for Big Ten expansion
is Maryland. Their split isn’t that far off from yours.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 5, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, Maryland in the Big Ten?
I live here in Maryland, and have followed the UMD programs in football and basketball quite a bit. I honestly do not see any reason except for the DC-Maryland market that the Big Ten would be interested in UMD. Yikes.
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by burntorangehorn on Jun 7, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I would add
That weather is something of a red-herring. It really isn’t that bad during football season (I’m fairly certain Colorado has had more snow games than any Big Ten team over the past 10 years or so), and there has even been some studies showing that average game temps even late in the season have been in the 40s/50s for most games/teams (even Minnesota).
And remember, you’d still be playing home games as half or so of your schedule late in the season….and since you’d probably keep the UT-A&M rivalry at the end of the season, one late game will ALWAYS be guaranteed to be down south.
I just sent this email to the other Big 10 cheerleader on BON, Hopkins Horn, but here it is for you:
Doesn’t this just sum up the Big 10?
I’m watching a replay of the Wisconsin-Michigan game on the BTN. A sideline reporter just interviewed the Wisconsin hockey coach about their great win over Alaska (at the football game, no less). They also talked about setting up the hockey rink in the middle of the football stadium. Apparently, they actually do this. They were not kidding.
There's an ice skating rink right next to Wrigley in January. You'd love it.
That’s one of the things I like about the BTN, it’s all big 10 all the time, instead of having Pam Ward do battle with the english language for something both coherent and relevant.
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I do love Chicago. When I travel it is always east, never west. But if Belmont goes west, I will adjust.
I moved from Austin to Chicago
It was probably one of the few cities that wouldn’t have been a let down after four years at UT. I didn’t know that learned had moved to Chicagoland.
It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.
Actually, that's interesting
Because one thing the Big Ten wants to do, believe it or not, is set up a hockey league, so as to have more live programming during the non-football months. Minnesota, Michigan, MSU, Wisconsin, and Ohio State (and maybe Penn State?) all have teams, but play in some other league (college hockey is really weird). One thought behind some expansion rumors was to angle to get some more hockey members (while putting pressure on current non-hockey universities in the conference to add a hockey team).
Take a couple club hockey teams, bump them up to varsity, and pretty soon, you’ve got a stew going…
This is true.
Penn State is likely only a few years away from making The Icers (their club team) NCAA-level. One of the major positives for getting Notre Dame into the fold is that they already have an NCAA team. That would be more than enough to start the first hockey league to parallel membership in other sports and further drive up the already robust advertising revenue of the Big Ten network.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jun 6, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Why would we not expect the Texas legislature to force Baylor to come along with?
We’ve seen it before. Baylor has excellent academics and a lot of research money to match up with other Pac-10 institutions. There are reports of them replacing Colorado but wouldn’t it make more sense to replace OK State?
The 6 would instead be UT, A&M, Baylor, TT plus CU and OU. That makes the most sense to me. Then who knows what happens with the Big 10. If they pick off Missouri and Nebraska, maybe a new conference forms with the remnants of the Big 12 + the mountain west. KU, KSt, Iowa St, OKSt, TCU, Utah, Colorado St, BYU. Throw in Air Force/New Mexico if you want. That’s what I want to see.
That's just erroneous, so let us stop this before it starts
Baylor is NOT a research university. It spends 10 million a year on research, about 1/50th of UT or A&M. The numbers aren’t as bad, but its research budget is significantly smaller than Tulane (150 mil), Rice (75 mil), SMU (at a miserly 19). It will not be contributing to the research prestige of any conference, it’s that simple.
I’ll leave the undergraduate academics off the table; it has a mission and it does it. That said, I’m not sure how one would call it academically “superior” to Tulane, Rice, or SMU in good conscience. The one thing those schools all have in common is a lack of athletic prowess, which is a characteristic they share with Baylor or a regular basis.
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by learned hand on Jun 6, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn't realize the college of medicine was completely separate (500mil)
guess i don’t why the research funds from a medical school would be considered separately. not sure how that money gets broken down.
Baylor College of Medicine broke off from Baylor University in 1969 and has been independent since.
They are separate and unaffiliated institutions now.
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andy staples at SI
summarized the reallignment here:
Nothing really new, but he did include a suggestion by Dave Curtis of the Sporting News that at the end of it, Dodds should sit at a table with several hats in front of him (as the recruits do)…
by UTLawGrad on Jun 6, 2010 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Dodds should sit at a table with several hats in front of him (as the recruits do)…
Hahaha. Have a rec.
Other Receiving Votes: Oklahoma
by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 7, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Assuming Nebraska and Missouri leaves for the B10
.. one of the scenarios the PAC-10 commisioner put forward is a full merger with the B12.
So if the B12 less Nebraska and Missouri merge with the Pac-10, forming a 20 team super conference. Do you think that would work or it would just get unwieldy?
Oil Patch Conference
Made up of old Southwest Conference (Texas, TA&M, TT, TCU, SMU, Baylor, Rice and Houston) plus Oklahoma, OK State, Arkansas and LSU. We would then negoiate a tv contract with Pac 12 and create a 24 team Super Power!!
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