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The latest on the PAC 10, Big Ten realignment- Last Update

We didn't start this, but we'll finish it. We're Texas.

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12:20pm GoPokes has a realigment FAQ.

Why is this happening?
A lot of reasons and let's start with an age old one, jealousy. Texas rules the Big 12 Conference and has from the beginning. They have the biggest following, the most money, the most influence, the most of nearly everything. DeLoss Dodds is a founding father. When he said last week, paraphrasing, we didn't start this but if we have to, we will finish it, Dodds meant it and he can do it and will.

Here are four scenarios for the Big 12's future.

Missouri and Nebraska neither confirm nor deny they have been given an ultimatum.

Tech basketball coach Pat Knight likes the idea of going to the PAC-16.

Relocation could cause havoc in scheduling.

 

11:30am Baylor has so much potential.

But we also should be wary of those who would portray Baylor as something less than a key player in Big 12 athletics. True, Baylor’s football team has struggled — and football remains a chief obsession in all this rampant speculation — but Baylor is a stunning knockout in so many other sports in the Big 12, including track and field, baseball and tennis. It ranks fifth in the Big 12 in the number of conference titles in the conference’s 14-year history.

Do we really need to mention that it’s a powerhouse in basketball, with both the men’s and women’s teams going deep into the NCAA tournament this season? Who can forget Coach Kim Mulkey and the Lady Bears’ winning the NCAA national championship in 2005?

Of course, it’s not really the conference that makes Baylor. It’s the unique confection of academics and athletics, bound together by discipline, an inclination to hard work and, yes, faith. We need not face the future with fear or anxiety but excitement and hope.

10:50am Is Texas' best option staying in the Big 12?

Texas' DeLoss Dodds and Texas A&M's Bill Byrne, both athletic directors, last week repeated their wishes to keep the Big 12 together, and I believe them. With rising revenues and consistent success on the field, the Longhorns don't need to leave. But like Byrne said, he and his colleagues are mercenary, and they're not going to stand by and allow Nebraska and Missouri to leave them scrambling.

The Texas schools' safest scenario is keeping the current Big 12 together, but a joint venture with the Pac-10 would certainly have a much higher probability of success than a patched-together Big 12 without the Huskers and Tigers. If Nebraska and Missouri want to leave, they're going to have to take a leap of faith in the Big Ten to do it. Otherwise, their best backup plan might end up being relegation to Conference USA.

And the Big 12 has the Pac-10 to thank.

PAC-10 Commish Larry Scott has a big gun.

“Larry Scott wants to fire the first bullet,” said a Big 12 athletic official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk publicly about the topic. “The pressure is being put on Nebraska and Missouri. Over the next two weeks, we’re going to know where we stand.”

8:55am Baylor update from the Dallas Morning News.

The urgency is underscored in e-mails from prominent Austin lobbyist and Baylor regent Buddy Jones to Baylor alumni and supporters in the Texas Legislature. The e-mails were obtained by The Dallas Morning News. In one from Sunday, Jones worries about the Pac-10 inviting Colorado instead of Baylor.

"My guess is that Colorado hasn't taken enough broadside hits to sink their boat yet and they may well be on the invite list," Jones said. "I hope I'm wrong. But there's still time left to change the scoreboard. We aren't through."

Jones also hoped for support from Texas, A&M and Tech. In one e-mail, he said Texas was solidly in Baylor's corner but wondered about A&M's commitment.

Another e-mail from Jones urged the alums in the Legislature to call key officials at Texas, A&M and Tech. It provided talking points about why those schools should throw their weight behind Baylor instead of Colorado.

 

9:20pm It is all Dan Beebe's fault.

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe all but killed his own conference on April 30, 2008.

That’s when he decided to team up with the Big Ten and Pac-10 to reject a four-team playoff being pushed by the SEC and ACC. If the Big 12 (and/or the Big East) had supported it, the so-called “Plus One” model likely would’ve happened.

Even that modest playoff would have meant hundreds of millions of additional revenue for college athletics. It would have then allowed for easy expansion for an even more lucrative 16-team postseason. That would have solved all the monetary concerns that have left the Big 12 on the verge of collapse at the hands of its one-time allies, the Big Ten and Pac-10.

According to Dan Wetzel's Twitter feed, Kansas and K-State have to stay together.

Kansas and Kansas State must stay together according to state law. Just one more bizarre twist in the ridiculousness of expansion

8:45pm The Big Ten isn't talking.

Delaney stressed that expansion rests with the individual universities and not with the conferences. He declined to comment on reports that the Big 12’s presidents gave Nebraska and Missouri a deadline to state their intentions to remain in or leave the conference.

Delaney also declined to expand on comments Ohio State President Gordon Gee made in an April 20 e-mail to the commissioner regarding Texas and its “Tech” problem, referring to rival Texas Tech. Gee was not available to comment.

8:35pm It is the Cuban Missile Crisis all over again.

8:20pm So this still hinges on the Cornhuskers? Unbelievable.

A new twist in the Big 12 Conference saga could determine whether the Pacific 10 will aggressively pursue expanding to 16 teams.

The key component in the puzzle appears to be Nebraska, as reports surfaced that the Cornhuskers have been given a deadline for deciding whether the school wants to remain in the Big 12.

The Dallas Morning News reported that a decision may be expected in the next couple of weeks. If Nebraska decides to remain in the Big 12, it would appear the conference could stay together in some form.

7:55pm PAC-10 deadline is the end of the year.

Scott wouldn't give any timeframe for expansion talks -- other than to reiterate that the deadline is the end of this year -- or discuss specific schools. However, it sounds as if he will aggressively court some of the biggest names in college sports, including Texas. The Big 12 is in danger of collapsing and could provide the Pac-10 with six new teams or more.

Because the Pac-10 has to work out individual agreements with each of the schools involved and has to overcome major logistical issues, including complex travel scenarios, it's hard to imagine anything getting done in a matter of days. Scott said it's possible the expansion announcement could come as early as July 27, the first day of the Pac-10 football media days in New York. The new schools wouldn't join the Pac-10 until the 2012-2013 school year, Scott said.

The Pac-10 begins negotiating its new TV agreement at the end of this year and Scott said he needs to know the makeup of his conference before he sits down with TV executives. There are reports that expansion could be worth as much as $20 million per school. Scott hired the Creative Artists Agency to help negotiate the conference's next media deal.

7:28pm If we join the PAC-10, we might get to play in Asia.

While first-year commissioner Larry Scott has made headlines of late for his role in possible Pac-10 expansion, he also said Sunday that he hopes to market the conference both nationally and internationally.

Specifically, he mentioned the idea of playing games in Asia.

“I think we’re going to be the first collegiate conference to really have an international marketing plan, which I do envision in the future will include broadcasts of our contests and games internationally as well as competitions,” Scott said. “You’ll see our student-athletes playing in an organized way in Asia.”

6:41pm Confirmation, people.

“You’ve read about an awful lot of ideas,” Scott said at the conclusion of Pac-10 meetings in San Francisco on Sunday. “I’m not sure I’ve read every single one, but we probably have contemplated or are contemplating almost everything you’ve read about.”

5:35pm Big Ten will push up the time line.

5:10pm The Baylor pr push begins. This could get ugly. (Baylor pres. Ken Starr letter.)

5:05pm PAC 10 here we come.

Is it a money grab? You bet it is. Is there anything wrong with it? Absolutely not. I hope Baylor gets invited to the Pac-10, but Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech appear to be out the door regardless. If Nebraska turns down the Big Ten, the Big 12 has a slim chance of surviving. Otherwise, turn out the lights.

This is a very, very good thing for college sports. That is, if you believe the mission of college sports is to give as many men and women as possible a chance to play.

That doesn't happen if football programs aren't generating millions on top of millions. This consolidation offers the six Big 12 schools the opportunity to dramatically increase their TV dollars.

4:30pm Texas State Sen. Kip Averitt (R-Waco) may be the ring leader behind the Baylor effort.

Baylor continues to make a major push to be part of any Pac-10 expansion plan with its fellow South members (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State). In a Twitter post, Pete Thamel of the New York Times reported that Baylor "appears to have bumped" Colorado in the expansion sweepstakes.

"We'd love to see the Big 12 stay the way it is," Texas State Sen. Kip Averitt (R-Waco) told our Austin statehouse bureau today. "But if it doesn't, we want to be where the Texas schools are."

Averitt said he couldn't confirm an effort is under way to sway Pac 10 officials, if they adopt half of the Big 12, to invite the Bears.

"I'm not privy to the negotiations that are going on directly," he said. "I just know that if we're kind of walking in the quicksand area, we want to stay on dry land."

4:25pm PAC-10 Comm. gets authority to pursue expansion.

The Pac-10 board has given commissioner Larry Scott the authority to pursue any possible expansion for the conference.

Scott spoke following the conclusion of the conference meetings in San Francisco on Sunday. Earlier in the day, he addressed the chancellors and presidents about possible expansion and was given authority to move ahead without having to go back to the board for approval.

3:13pm Osbourne and Tressel met, according to emails.

Nebraska is definitely on the Big Ten's radar for potential expansion, league sources have told ESPN.com, and the feeling apparently is mutual.

Nebraska athletic director Tom Osborne met with Ohio State head football coach Jim Tressel on April 19, according to an e-mail Osborne sent to Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman on April 20. ESPN.com colleague Mark Schlabach obtained the e-mail through a records request to Nebraska.

3:00pm Kent Hance is nervous about Tech's future.

2:51pm According to Dennis Dodd, Nebraska has received the ultimatum.

2:41pm Chip Brown posted this link on Twitter. Possibly an updated article.

1:05pm ESPN is reporting that there is a block of 15 legislators lobbying for Baylor's inclusion in the PAC 10 expansion talks.

The source said that there is a block of 15 legislators working to make sure that Baylor, not Colorado, is invited to join the Pac-10. The source pointed to the political and economic importance of keeping the Big 12's Texas schools together as well as Colorado's recent athletic struggles and lack of sports such as baseball, softball and men's tennis.

12:24pm PAC 10 commish reportedly recommending expansion and their own network.

Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott will recommend to his league's school presidents and chancellors that the conference add six Big 12 teams, Chip Brown of OrangeBloods.com reports via Twitter.

Scott will make the recommendation Sunday, according to Brown, who last week broke the news that the conference was prepared to invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado. The Pac-10 meetings conclude Sunday in San Francisco.

Scott will also recommend that the expanded Pac-10 start its own television network, which could facilitate $20 million annual payments to each school in the conference.

High noon. The PAC 10 Commish has laid out the scenarios.

Scott is scheduled to discuss the expansion talks with the media on Sunday at noon, after the conclusion of the meetings. It's unlikely any decisions will be made so soon, but things clearly are in the works.

"I don't see any way our conference will be diminished in terms of competitive excellence," Guerrero said. "It can only be enhanced if things progress to the point where we do make decisions, but at this point in time there's nothing imminent."

Nebraska and Missouri have a deadline.

The Big 12 has drawn a line in the sand for at least two member schools.

"Nebraska has until 5 p.m. on Friday to tell us what they're going to do," one school official said, according to the American-Statesman. "The same deal for Missouri. They have to tell us they're not going to the Big Ten."

If they don't meet the deadline, at least six Big 12 schools, including Texas and Oklahoma, likely would bolt for the Pac-10, creating potential Armageddon in college sports.

Will Nebraska get double secret probation if they don't make a decision?

 

But what nobody is saying is what those schools` punishment will be if they don`t meet the deadline. What happens if Nebraska`s Tom Osborne says nothing? Does he get double-secret probation?

Nebraska is said to be the key to Texas` decision to stay or go. UT athletic director DeLoss Dodds apparently believes the Big 12 can survive without Missouri, but not without the Huskers.

Dodds, by the way, isn`t playing coy about what he thinks his school`s role in the whole situation will be. He`s quoted in a couple of publications as saying, "We did not start this. If we need to finish this, we`ll finish this. We`ll be a player in whatever happens."

Translation: "If we have to leave, we`ll take our money with us and make another conference very, very rich."

Tom Osbourne is not aware of any looming deadline.

Nebraska Athletic Director Tom Osborne told the Lincoln Journal-Star Saturday night he was not aware of any deadlines, although they might have been created after he left the Big 12 meetings in Kansas City.

The Big 12 Commish seems to have his head in the sand.

After meeting with the league’s Board of Directors on Friday, Beebe expressed confidence the Big 12 would stay in business. But what about other conferences raiding his?

“I don’t think that’s the issue,” he said.

If not, what is? The league’s unequal revenue sharing system is not the divisive issue that some have assumed. In fact, the last time the topic was vetted intensely, during the 2007 meetings, Beebe said board members never motioned to vote on the matter. According to IRS figures collected by the Omaha World-Herald for the 2006-07 fiscal year, Texas received the biggest slice of league revenue at $10.2 million, while Baylor had the smallest at $7.1 million. Under an equal-sharing policy, Texas’ cut would have dropped by $1.6 million, while Baylor’s would have increased by $1.48 million — a fairly negligible difference in the world of major college sports.

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I love you Dime

Your tongue can't repel flavor of that magnitude!!

by UT2001 on Jun 6, 2010 11:05 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I am working on a client’s web site today so I’m planted on my coach with my laptop until I finish. This is a nice diversion every once in a while. :-)

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do I have football on the brain…planted on my couch.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

This Sounds Legit - FWIW

FWIW – I am hoping the Big XII survives. I value the burgeoning rivalry with Nebraska in football, and basketball ties with the Kansas schools much more than the affiliations with the Pac 10. USC is such an obvious out of control and immoral institution that they make me sick to my stomach.

by realmccoy on Jun 6, 2010 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Saying a Prayer of Thanks this Sunday

That we have Deloss Dodds and Mack Brown, and no one else does. I don´t know which conference we will be in, but I believe strongly that we will continue to be the premier brand in college football in 5 years under the leadership of Dodds and Brown.

by realmccoy on Jun 6, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

A&M to SEC

I still say we either keep the Big XII together or join the other Southern schools in the SEC. That’s where our best ‘cultural’ fit lies. Besides it will be a lot more fun to stick it to Florida or Georgia every year than beat up on cupcakes like UCLA, Cal and Stanford every fall.

by YUMC on Jun 6, 2010 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

UCLA won’t stay a cupcake for long and Harbraugh (spelling?) is doing good things at Stanford. You are underestimating the talent in the PAC 10 and the mega-conference it can become.

It would be nice to stay in the Big 12, but we are stuck with the current network contract until 2016. If things stay the way they are, A&M is also missing out on needed revenue. (Have y’all paid back that 16 million dollar loan?)

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

(Have y’all paid back that 16 million dollar loan?)
(Not even close. $Bill just found his checkbook.)

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 6, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why can't the Big 12 go to the network...

and insist on renegotiating the contract, explaining that without a better contract, the conference will break apart and the network will be left with Baylor, Kansas, KS, and Iowa State to televise.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Jun 6, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point.

Which makes the report by Bohls of Nebraska and Missouri to make their intentions known to the Big XII Presidents by next Friday all the more telling. Without a unified conference, they have nothing to renegotiate. Appears to me that the Big 10 is controlling the first domino….

by TXStampede on Jun 6, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suspect there is a change in circumstances clause that will get the network out of paying the Big 12 in the event of a mass departure. There is also the strong possibility that the same T.V. networks would like to carve up the Big 12 like modern day colonialist.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 6, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once again, screwed by ESPN?

That makes sense, but ESPN and ABC probably did not allow for any rework of the existing contract. Any truth to the saying that any contract can be broken?

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You must not......

……. understand how bad DeLoss wants that Longhorn Network.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Jun 6, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

All about academics.

Texas wants to be in business with Cal and Stanford; Not LSU and Arkansas.

by Adrian Mac on Jun 6, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's funny . . .

. . . is that all those (generally) Big 10-centric boosters on Frank’s blog, who have generally been positive about adding Texas and who have been generally positive about the Pac 10 as well, have turned on a dime about the supposed academic inferiority of the Pac 10 now that the Pac-16 rumor is on the table. A couple have said that it would be no academic upgrade at all.

I understand the research dollars issues with the CIC, but to argue that moving to a conference with Cal, Stanford and USC wouldn’t be an upgrade is laughable on its face and reeks of jealousy from a group of people about to lose the school they treasured the most.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 6, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant UCLA, not USC . . .

. . . but USC is a very good school as well

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 6, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I do find amusing about that blog right now

Is the general impression that the deal is done once the Pac 10 extends an invitation. It seems far more likely that things are just getting started.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 6, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I particularly like the guy . . .

. . . who is arguing, with a straight face, that the Big 10 should invite the University of Toronto before it invites the University of Texas.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 6, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I've also found myself. . .

. . . in the odd position of being the ostensibly pro-Big 10 UT guy who is saying that the prospective offer from the Pac 10, if that’s what it wound up being, would still be a good thing.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 6, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Texas can write their own ticket.

The question is who offers first and what is our best deal?

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are not alone

I am pro Big 10 but if the Pac-10 offer is what we have heard it is, I would be ok with it too.

by OminousPolaris on Jun 6, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is far from a done deal. But it seems that the PAC-10 may have usurped the Big Ten in terms of expansion and Texas is in play.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Certainly true

But I doubt any offer will be accepted immediately, I would suspect a 3-6 month due diligence window.

The respective legislatures could screw up an anvil with a rubber mallet in six months.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 6, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure about the 3-6 month window

The whole ACC expansion occurred very quickly, as I recall. Possibilities like these Baylor gnats emerging are why I think it almost has to move with lightning-quick speed.

I would imagine that a lot of the due diligence has already occurred.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 6, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent point

But, when dealing with quasi-government actors across three states, it doesn’t seem like anyone, even the Pac 10, can issue something akin to an ultimatum.

IIRC correctly, wasn’t ACC expansion simplified by the number of private universities added?

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 6, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wound up yesterday . . .

. . . talking realignment on a Houston sports radio show, and I was asked point-blank, as I expected, at the end of the interview where I thought the Horns would wind up. I stuck with my guns and said Big 10.

(Oh, and thanks to that station for completely butchering the spelling of my last name. Seriously. I enjoy google-free anonymity as much as possible!)

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 6, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The best “athletic” fit is with the SEC. Culturally, I think the better fit might be the Pac-10.

When you join the SEC, you JOIN the SEC. They sell the conference as much as they sell the school.

by DoubleB on Jun 6, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

SEC is awful academically, and piss poor at most of their other sports (mens and womens) when compared to the PAC-10. Swap out Baylor for Tech in expansion and it’d be the best new conference in any sport in the country, except basketball and wrestling.

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Jun 10, 2010 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why Tech for Baylor?

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Jun 10, 2010 4:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Track and field, I guess?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 10, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Overall

They offer a higher profile academically, and have more Big 12 championships than Texas Tech, 36 to 10, and more national championships, 2 to 1. They actually have a much better overall athletic department than Tech when you include sports besides football (better baseball, basketball, track and field, tennis). I’m okay with taking Tech along, but I think Baylor makes the conference better over the long term.

Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.

by ihavethemelody on Jun 10, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

...

Baylor’s championships in Men’s Tennis and Women’s Basketball vs. Tech’s championship in Women’s Basketball? The conference championship distinction is mostly in the Tennis programs, it appears Baylor counts both regular season and tournament wins in the sport as “championships”.

Private school kids are good at Tennis? Who knew?

And someone tell me why Baylor decided to hang it’s conference bona fides on academics when Rice is utterly ignored?

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 10, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I definitely disagree

Money and fanbase are in Tech’s favor, IMO. Plus Baylor’s in UT territory, while Tech is less so. Athletics? Well, Tech’s more important where it counts.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 10, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now You're Talking!!

So rare is a common sense person who has said this. The SEC is the best for Texas and A&M at least Texas. I’m from the old SWC era and this would be like that again. I’ve been to left coast games and it is so frikken boring. You’re not going to believe what this will be in the future if we go to the PAC-10. We will be begging in less than ten years for the SEC to take us in. We missed the boat on the SWC split, now we have a chance to redeem ourselves with what I think is the best overall conference in the country. Go ahead and blast me for that. I’ve been around longer than most of you. The Big 12 was a SWC wannabe and I think it sucked the whole time. I sure hope that they get this right this time. Arrogance isn’t something we should be thinking about now. If we do go to the PAC-10 get your sweater ready to wear wrapped around your neck with the rest hanging down your back. I know……..been there done that and you’ll hate it. I guarantee it!!

by RoughriderfromTexas on Jun 12, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chip Brown has a new article up (I think)

Basically saying Nebraska is the lynch pin right now

by 40AS on Jun 6, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Reading his article . . .

 . . . I’m still at a loss for what possible “binding” assurance the rest of the Big XII could receive from Nebraska that it’s not leaving.

The Big XII party is ending, folks.

One non-Texas item from Brown’s article I disagree with:

(And look for the SEC to reach into the ACC for Virginia Tech and Florida State if the Pac-10 pulls off its coup.)

VT made its deal with the devil when the Virginia legislature forced UVa to champion VT’s addition to the ACC. No way they’d be allowed to leave to join the SEC unless the ACC itself starts imploding (and that’s not happening).

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 6, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard of many adjectives used to describe then Governor, now Senator, Mark Warner...

but devil is about as close to accurate as I have come across. :)

Maybe he meant Miami and Florida State?

by TXStampede on Jun 6, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I lived in VA for years . . .

 . . . and liked him, even though I disagree with him on some issues. (And I’ll stop the politics there.)

A few years ago, I was this close to wrangling an invite to fly on his plane down to Blacksburg to watch a VT-Miami game when both were Top 5-ish. That would have kicked ass.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 6, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

An Examiner columnist says that a PAC-10 offer to OU is a done deal.

Right.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Idiot writer for the Denver Post wants CU to go to the Mountain West.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 2:00 PM CDT reply actions  

DC, I may have missed your link to it, but Orson (ie. Spencer Hall) over at EDBS

described the perfect BCS armageddon in his 6/4 The Curious Index, not to mention the perfect description of a proposed Pac 16 – Eastern Conference to be know affectionately as the NCOM Division.

…the Division B of this proposed Megazord conference would be an imposing, barren reflection of man’s desert soul, the No Country for Old Men Division: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona State. An imposing, harsh, and majestic stretch of land that is, sirs and madams, and one where the BCS in its current form goes to die, since current conference tie-ins under realignment—already hopelessly screwed in existing expansion scenarios—are nasty double[bleep] under this.

by TXStampede on Jun 6, 2010 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I linked to it a couple of days ago, but I’m glad you mentioned it. It is a great read. :-) And the Maize N Brew, for anyone who has not been over there. Check the Fan Posts for the link to the article.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nebraska

I don’t suppose this is a possibility since there are no rumors about it, but I wonder why the Pac-10 wouldn’t be more interested in Texas + ags + Colorado + Nebraska (sorry, TT). And the okie schools. Seems like a better fit for NU, in a way.

by NYCHorn on Jun 6, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Because . . .

. . . one can infer from what’s going on that UT has concluded that it cannot move without Tech, or that it wouldn’t be worth the fight. Therefore, since Tech has wrapped itself to our ankles, Tech>Nebraska.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 6, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

So now we know how OU feels with OSU chained to it

Hate to write this publicly, but there is no shame (well, maybe some) in being a forced package deal with A&M. But Tech? Sheesh.

by NYCHorn on Jun 6, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tech fans do need to send UT some flowers

Something. Because UT’s drawing power is the only thing keeping Tech away from hoping for a MWC bid.

You guys need to check out Chip Brown’s Twitter. He’s got tons of updates.

B12 athletic director tells Orangebloods.com Pac-10 is indicating #Texas politicians could decide if 6th B12 team is #Baylor or #Colorado.
OB: Pac-10 commish Larry Scott says he’s been given authority to “advance” expansion process (hand out invites) at today’s Pac-10 meetings.

by Adrian Mac on Jun 6, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Young man. Hey, kid! Just where do you think you're going?

The line ENDS here. It begins THERE." points off into the distance

Now that I think of that movie the goofy looking kid that Ralphie hangs out with would probably be Iowa State.

by seth78 on Jun 6, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Baylor instead of Colorado? Yeah, screw that.

by CAJason80 on Jun 6, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'll fit right in around here

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Jun 6, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ditto

I welcome our new oklahoma-hating brethren.

3/19/2009 & 12/15/2009 - Games Where Dogus Balbay Made a Three-Pointer. Never Forget.

by burrito on Jun 7, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry I’m lost. Where’s the Oklahoma hate line?

I want Canzano to stand there in that [expletive] white uniform, and with his Harvard mouth, extend Chip some [expletive] courtesy! Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Jun 10, 2010 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, it's a long one

I think it starts somewhere around El Paso, makes it’s way to Brownsville, then finally, up to the Red River. But it’s a fun line to be in so join in. There’s always room for more.

by GoHorns on Jun 10, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Add Nebraska to that list

Their whining dwarfs that of Baylor.

"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jun 7, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Se. Kip Averitt

Texas alums in his district should flood his office with calls.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks

Dime, you’ve done an excellent job (as always) keeping the updates thorough, and co-located. Thanks.

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.

by Speedway on Jun 7, 2010 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a sad development for me

I really enjoyed our affililiation with the Big XII. The PAC 10 does not excite me at all. USC turns my stomach. We will now have the poly tics of the Stoops brothers. I believe that the move will help OU recruiting – and we were starting to build an edge in recruiting in the Big XII that would create a significant advantage.

by realmccoy on Jun 6, 2010 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm excited

The Big XII brought some drama and excitement and twice a ticket to the rigged prom that is the BCS. But it also brought Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor (who I wish wasn’t coming along for the ride), et al. How about those West Coast road trips? How about the cheerleaders? How about recruiting California? How about watching TWO Stoops brothers lose in their typical egg-laying manner? You can have Manhattan, KS. I’ll take Los Angeles, Tempe, Seattle, Palo Alto, and Berkeley. And we still get to play the Texas and Oklahoma schools that matter. Sign me up.

by windycityhorn on Jun 7, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why don't we just join the WWF?

Why are we talking about joining the what, Pac-16? We’re nowhere near the Pacific Ocean. Doesn’t Lane Kiffin live there? OJ is in prison there, or is it Nevada? Matt Barkley attitudes, Reggie Bush deals, Seantrell Hendersen/Snoop Dog recruting antics. Are you kidding me? You want to join a circus check out Ringling Brothers.

We should instead join the WWF as a pre-emptive move to USC bolting from the Pac 10 in five years. You know they have girl wrestlers there now. WWF marketing is quite a bit classier than Lane Kiffin’s, too. I would pay big bucks to see Desmond Jackson versus Sable in a featured event.

"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jun 7, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

It isn't a done deal.

The Big Ten has pushed up their time table so who knows what will happen next week. If they offer anything, it will be to Texas and/or Notre Dame. It comes down to what Belmont wants to do and what is in the best interests of the university and the ath. dept.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 6:06 PM CDT reply actions  

From fake PAC 16 Twitter:

Kiffin just called, said adding six Big 12 schools would really help recruiting. “Larry, you know how many 12-year-olds there are in Texas?”

Awesome.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good idea. Then we could sell it back to them for big bucks and retire early. You wouldn’t need law school. :-)

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

looks like somebody already registered it

if you type it on a browser, it leads to a page

by ximiankernel on Jun 6, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did some math for you guys...

Off of the 2008 census data, with expansion hitting TT,TAM,UT, COL, OSU and OU…

Pac-16 Network would hit approximately 96M people in Pac-16 states plus the historical overlap state markets that the Pac-10 already controls. If you base the revenue projections off of 3.2 people per household you get approximately 30M households. I am not going to go through the standard numerics of cable capture rates per household or the additive effect of viewership in difference regions and any of the overlap principles. This is just a quick and dirty look because I finally am curious enough about the numbers to really look at it. There are all sorts of parameters that I can build into this, but for now I just want a quick simple estimate to see if the standard BS numbers wee keep seeing thrown around are even remotely true.

I started with a range of values for the given in market subscriber fee between 0.87 and 0.70. If the subscriber fee is 0.70 then they should receive approximately 7.875M just for subscriber fees if you apply a 50/50 split in revenues with Fox. At 0.75 it is 8.43M, at 0.80 it is 9M and 9.56M at 0.85 per subscriber. This is just a very basic model and without some harder numbers from the Big 10N I can’t create a better version.

If we are looking at a 80/20 split in favor of subscriber fees the entire network would yield per school:

.70 – 9.845M
.75 – 10.53M
.80 – 11.25M
.85 – 11.95m

a 70/30 split would yield per school:

.70 – 11.25M
.75 – 12.04M
.80 – 12.85M
.85 – 13.65m

a 60/40 split would yield per school:

.70 – 13.125M
.75 – 14.05M
.80 – 15M
.85 – 15.93m

a 50/50 split would yield per school:

.70 – 15.75M
.75 – 16.86M
.80 – 18M
.85 – 19.12M

These are no where near accurate as they could be. This is just a demonstration on why this is such a big deal in terms revenue for schools. This is a definite reason on why schools like Standford would be willing to look the other way in regards to the lower academically inclined schools to make this happen. None of these figures include the revenue generate from local/regional deals or the secondary national deal, bowl games, other sports TV revenue or conference logo/branding rights.

Even if you disagree with the low end numbers with the worst possible payout, the Pac-16N values are still 15% higher than the Big 12 TOTAL TV deal average payout of approximately 8.5M. This is the reason why the Pac-10 and the Big12 teams are so hot on this deal. The rough estimations of 20M payout per schools from the conference is a legit number and could very possibly be on the low side.

Lets not forget that it is very possible to see Fox be able to package the B10N and the P16N together for even more revenue. This will be a money making machine until the media distribution model changes to something else.

I need to look at some of the capture ratios and historic household sizes for each state and % of cable subscriber in each state, if I really want to make a solid model but the premise is sound. Any of you guys that build mathematical models on a regular basis feel free to add in any numerics that are verifiable and have a legitimate weight. Same with you guys that deal heavily in the media industry.

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by laxtonto on Jun 6, 2010 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

You need to post this in a Fan Post so it isn’t missed.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stewart Mandel Twitter account

Ironically, the most appropriate name for the 16-team Pac-10 would be “The South-West Conference.” What’s that? Been there, done that?

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 7:23 PM CDT reply actions  

This is almost done

Baylor appears to have bumped Colo in Pac-10 expansion

From Peter Thaml New York Times

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

This is not a done deal.

Everyone and everything is probably in play as of today.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree

My prediction is that tomorrow the Mountain West will announce the addition of Boise State and there’s a good change they’ll throw one to Colorado in the near future. If Nebraska and Missouri confirm that they’re bolting that’s it for the Big 12

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colorado will not accept an offer from the MWC.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where else will they go if all this goes down?

Big East and Big 12 would be done as BCS conferences. MWC with Boise would be a legit BCS conference.

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are assuming that CU won’t get a PAC 10 offer. The Buffs have won a national championship and have had a very viable athletic department for many years, notwithstanding those crime-filled Barnett years in football. They do not belong in the MWC.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming history's going to repeat itself

The state legislature of Texas has prevented conference realingment for Texas before because another Texas school was not included (Texas to SEC 1992) Plus, it’s not like going to the Mountain West would be that much of a step down. They already have a national champion in conference (BYU) and will soon have all the BCS busters. They will have an automatic BCS bid at first oppurtunity.

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brush up on history.

Texas was never going to the SEC. The university decided not to go, it wasn’t the Leg.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brush up on yours

The legislature threatened to cut funds. Texas wanted to come

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quote Finebaum and a WCW reject as a legitimate source over our university president costs you a lot of credibility.

As does questioning Dime.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 6, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I grew up when this was going on

so I remember. and I’m just stating my opinon to dime. Do I think Baylor belongs in this conversation? Not by a long shot!!! But that’s what I think’s going to happen. As far as questioning dimecoverage, I’m just giving my opinion.

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Finebaum is wrong. Period. It did not go down this way.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, maybe we're looking at two different perspectives

I will say this, I’m not trying to offend anybody

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one is offended.

An overture was made, that is not in dispute. Texas would never consider an offer from the SEC because of academics. The Tower would never allow it to happen. Dodds knew that.

A&M was not so picky at the time.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks dime

I don’t want to get crucified on here. By the way, love the thread. Especially the last post

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s not the intention. We like open, friendly discussion, which is what this is.

Finebaum wasn’t intentionally misleading anyone, he just reported what he was told from the SEC end. It just didn’t happen that way in Austin. Like any other story, there are always two sides, and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never question Dime

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.

by Speedway on Jun 7, 2010 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Notice he jumps from

a conversation with Dodds, to everything done but the dotted line… without any info. That would be a huge decision. One that would require meetings and official trips. No mention of any of that.

This article does not prove that UT wanted to join the SEC.

Got anything else?

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

by SwimTexas on Jun 6, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not everything was public back then

but my dad worked for the SEC office so I know.

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

And there are those of us that know the key players involved on Texas’ end and can say without hesitation that it did not go down this way.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

you might have more credibility if it didn’t seem that you were trying so hard to “break the news” here and posting declaritives when absolutely nothing is for certain at this point.

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

by SwimTexas on Jun 6, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't surprise me if either of us is right

or wrong. Politicans have a tendency of talking out of both sides of their mouth. I don’t believe Finebaum is the gospel (personally I can’t stand the guy) The key for me were the quotes from the ex-SEC comissioner.

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, I think I understand where you're coming from

The issue is that we know Larry Berhdal was the key decision maker last time, as Bill Powers is this time, and Deloss Dodds is the only one mentioned by Shiller.

Negotiating with the AD at UT is, at best, outlining terms.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 6, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unlike the SEC, the AD isn’t the final say at UT. :-)

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true

In the SEC the AD many times is the only say, unless the football coach objects.

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forgot about the hierarchy in the SEC:

Head Football Coach>AD>University Adminstration

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gracious as always Dime

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

by SwimTexas on Jun 6, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

PAC 10 Blog

lists top recruiting classes. He mentions Texas at #1. Coincidence?

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Doesn’t look like anything to me.
Seems more like something to frame the article.

by Maisbikkja on Jun 6, 2010 9:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was kidding. :-) Sorry it doesn’t come through in a comment.

by dimecoverage on Jun 6, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for keeping up with the news, dime

It’s nice to have everything in one place.

by mikey 4 on Jun 6, 2010 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I second that

Long time reader, first time poster. I have spent every free moment today checking in on this thread to see the new updates. Keep up the great work.

by TXZombie on Jun 6, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know exactly how Dan Beebe feels

Have you ever had to go down into a cellar right before a tornado hits? I imagine he’s feeling along the same lines.

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Jun 6, 2010 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

More like the bomb shelter

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 6, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

So here is a question

(And I know that this assumes a LOT) But what if when the dust settles from this, the PAC 16 is the only 16 team football conference. The SEC, BIG10, ACC, Big East all have 12 or less, and the Big 12 folds.

Shouldn’t this new 16 team conference get 2 bids for the BCS? We would have twice as many teams as the Big East, and 1/3 more teams than any other conference.

I mean, I get it if the other conferences follow suit and some mergers take them up to 14-16 teams also. But what if they all stay <12? How could we be OK with only 1 auto bid?

Just a thought.

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

by SwimTexas on Jun 6, 2010 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps another solution...

I don’t think allowing two automatic bids would, or should, fly, but perhaps the restriction on a max two teams per conference could be lifted.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 6, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

It'd be awesome for USC to die in football and shrivel back up in basketball

UT could use a little early dominance in the new conference to get an improved foothold in the California recruiting market without weakening domestic recruiting.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 6, 2010 10:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I wish ND would be required to be in a conference

Or have no tie in to BCS Bowl Games
I also wished for the MegaBall numbers to no avail. I think BIG!

by Wrangler86 on Jun 7, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed – cannot get passionate about playing Washington State.ESPN poll shows 72% in Texas want Texas to stay in the Big 12.I can see a culture clash with a conference run by a guy that use to run women’s tennis and marquis program is about to get the death penalty or severely crippled

by seafous on Jun 7, 2010 8:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Aggies in Berkeley?

Rec’d for this alone. I would get a ticket to this just to watch the riots ensue.

by GoHorns on Jun 7, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Another e-mail from Jones urged the alums in the Legislature to call key officials at Texas, A&M and Tech. It provided talking points about why those schools should throw their weight behind Baylor instead of Colorado.

Maybe it is time Texas alums throw their weight around and start calling their state reps?

by dimecoverage on Jun 7, 2010 8:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Surely this can't be right...
In one e-mail, he said Texas was solidly in Baylor’s corner but wondered about A&M’s commitment.

by Hopkins Horn on Jun 7, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right now the Texas legislature is only receiving pressure from Baylor, I’d love a Pac-10 school to threaten to veto if Baylor is forced in. If Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado are gone as speculated, the Big-XII as a viable conference is highly questionable. A Pac-10 veto threat motivates the pro-UT, TT, and T A&M legislatures to move against Baylor. It also unites the Pac-10 forces with public Texas schools, rather than dumping the Baylor question on to the Texas schools.

I definitely want the merger, and this would be a gamble, but I doubt the Big-10 or the SEC would take all four of UT, TT, T A&M, and Baylor, leaving the MWC. I think the MWC would make the move in a heart beat, but I can’t imagine Texas and A&M willing to accept this.

As for pure speculation, I am also skeptical of the Pac-10 schools acquiescing so quickly. They simply might want to keep research and negotiations moving forward. Then, they will readdress the Baylor question at a later time when: (A) the Big-10 is less interested, and (B) greater understanding of how the conference would actually operate is available.

by chowder on Jun 7, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

There’s no chance that the SEC will take all 4. I wouldn’t be surprised if Baylor or Colorado get’s left out, but either way Texas will be in the Pac-16

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 7, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd love Tech and Baylor to be left out

And for them to end up joining the MWC. As long as the MWC didn’t lose Utah to the Pac-10 expansion, that conference would be deserving of a BCS automatic bid, in my opinion, especially if it could also draw in Boise State and maybe one other average or better team. I’d love to see KU and K-State head that direction too if the Big 12 collapses, but of course it’d be beyond weird to see two Kansas schools in the…Mountain West.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 7, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: KU & KSU

I see them heading to the ACC or Big East. Certainly makes sense from a basketball perspective (for KU, anyway).

by GoHorns on Jun 7, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really don't think the ACC or Big East would be likely for those two

First of all, remember that KU by state law must be in the same conference as K-State, so there’s a roadblock right there. The Big East is already a ridiculous conference because of its two-tier system. The ACC is at 12, and would more likely add either schools like ECU, UCF, USF (academis might be a concern with those three, but so would K-State), or football members of the Big East like Syracuse (who should’ve been invited in the first place, IMO), UConn, etc. Those would be replaced in the Big East by Memphis, USM, CMU, or FCS schools who’d go FBS, like Richmond.

Obviously this is all just my own amateur (key word) guesswork.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 7, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Granted

I know very little about the ins and outs of the whole scenario, but Big East and ACC seem like the best “fit” from a sports perspective. Soft on football, good at basketball. OK, that’s more for KU than KSU, but you get my point. Add in that they have to go together…

Anyway, it’s all guesswork at this point, but I haven’t seen any takes on where the two Kansas schools might end up.

by GoHorns on Jun 7, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really think the MWC would be the best place for KU and K-State

Or rather, I think the Big 12 could really move westward in its concentration. While I’d like Tech and Okie Lite to be left out of any move to the Pac-10, I’d really like just one of them (preferably Okie Lite), OU, Texas, aggie (if we must), CU, and Utah to go to the Pac-10.

Here’s how I’d like it to shake out, assuming Texas has to take aggie and OU and Nebraska/Mizzou head to the Big Ten:

Pac-16
10 current members
Texas
OU
aggie
CU
Utah
One out of group A: Okie Lite, Tech, and BYU

Big 16
KU
K-State
two remainders from group A above
Iowa State
Baylor
TCU
Utah
Air Force Academy
Boise State
UNLV
New Mexico
Colorado State
Houston
Fresno State
One out of group B: San Diego State, Rice, Nevada, or Utah State

The SEC and ACC would basically split up the Big East, and we’d end up with 16-team conferences of the SEC, ACC, Big Ten + 6, Big 12/MWC, Pac-16. That’s five sixteen-team conferences. Not bad?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 7, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a lot of movement

But I like what you’ve laid out. I think where you’re going with 16 team super-conferences is really where we’re headed anyway.

by GoHorns on Jun 7, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It'd definitely be lots of movement

But really, it’s just the Big 12 splitting up between the Pac-10, Big Ten, and MWC, while the Big East splits up between the ACC and SEC. The one real problem is Notre Dame, who’d probably be a big roadblock to the Big Ten’s reaching 16 teams. Eleven current members plus Nebraska and Mizzou puts the conference at 13. Where would they get three more? No way they’d take Cincy or WVU, but maybe they’d take two out of Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Rutgers if they could also snag Notre Dame? I’d expect the ACC to go for UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, possibly Pitt, and I guess even WVU could have an outside shot (not sure they’d like the academics, though). The SEC would seem prime for WVU, USF, and Louisville, but might even be inclined to poach from the ACC, which could get really ugly.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 7, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aren't I cute?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 7, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

But that's the thing

With all this reallignment gaining considerable momentum, ND might need to act. The could be left out of the entire National Scene. This could be the shoe that drops for the BCS and they may be left out of the whole arrangement once the super-conferences are complete (pure speculation). If that’s the case, where does ND fit in? I doubt the powers that be would be as willing to accept ND as an independant. I’m almost certain they would force ND to join a league in order to get some revenue out of them.

Again, pure speculation, but ND could be on the outside looking in if things fall the right way. They need to be keenly aware of what’s really going on.

by GoHorns on Jun 7, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

At first

I was completely turned off by the reallignment talk. Maybe it was a byproduct of the tons of fanposts and countless opinions, but I was.

Now?! Now that this is gaining serious steam, this is interesting. It’s amazing to think how one school (Texas) has been such a prize in all this that it’s going to potentially change the entire landscape of college football forever. Incredible.

by GoHorns on Jun 7, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's even more amazing is the conferences that could "bid" for Texas

Big 12 country is a double-edged sword. Because it’s the crossroads of the other major conferences, so it’s always going to be a target whenever another major conference considers expansion, so it’s inherently vulnerable to collapse. On the other hand, a very attractive school in the Big 12 can almost write its own check when those other conferences want to expand.

The question is, in the event of a bidding war, what’s the currency? Texas gets more than the other Big 12 teams in revenue distribution. Would all the other conferences insist on equal distribution, or might it be possible that teams that get more televised games could get more money?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 7, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

interesting to know

But it’s also not a given that it would continue under a realignment, I guess. Hmm.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 7, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at the start

 But I can see USC, Texas, OU, TAMU and UCLA wanting a bigger slice down the road.

by Silentjay on Jun 7, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

TAMU?

I suppose it’s possible, but they have a harder time getting on TV than a lot of other programs of similar recent track records.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 8, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Talking points to throw weight behind BU instead of CO

Uh….They are clean, don’t drink, don’t dance and Baylor fans always clean up when they turn the lights off. What else does Baylor offer because I’m completely confused at how this CU vs BU is even discussed. I’d rather take North Texas State

by Wrangler86 on Jun 7, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting Question

What happens to the Rose Bowl Tie in the Pac-10 has?

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 7, 2010 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Haha

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 7, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

It becomes the Pac-16’s bcs bowl berth. As the schools leave the Big-XII they forfeit their claim to the Fiesta Bowl.

by chowder on Jun 7, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I invite you to hold your breath

If you think the Fiesta Bowl is going to give an automatic bid to the decimated Big XII

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by run Bevo run on Jun 7, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what happens to the Fiesta Bowl berth. Ideally, the Big-Pac-16 would get both, but I seriously doubt that happens. If the Big-Pac-16 receives only one automatic bid, which are they more likely to receive? The Rose Bowl with ten current members (admittedly, not the right word), or the Fiesta Bowl with six, seems like numbers would dictate the Rose Bowl.

by chowder on Jun 7, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Fiesta and Rose Bowls

I could see a scenario where the Pac 16 could receive auto berths to both. Maybe not in an automatic sense, but more if two teams are meeting requirements.

This whole conference realignment is going to make the BSC rethink their entire strategy or (hopefully) close up shop.

Obviously we can’t know what is going to happen with the BCS bowls until the dust settles, but I’d love to see some projections as to what the major conferences will be and what their tie-ins would be.

by GoHorns on Jun 7, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the whole BCS gets blown up...

along with all of the other bowls. That will make an interesting thread. Someone mentioned it in another thread about the possibility of the a new governing body if there become 4 mega conferences.

We're Texas...and you're NOT

by Bevoboy94 on Jun 7, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just think of this,

if the expansions go forward, there could possibly theoretically be a Rose Bowl, featuring the Pac 10 and Big 10 champs (now the Pac 16 and the Big 16), between Baylor and Rutgers.

by tdwalsh on Jun 7, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

my guess

1-i think texas and nd are in cahoots.

2-my belief is the b12 schools did give an ultimatum to neb/mo.

scenario 1-the ultimatum expires and neb does nothing (mo doesn’t matter). the b12 schools declare neb is out and it’s every man for himself. texas and a&m head to the big ten which spurs nd to join but holds at 14. with the conference busted, texas politicians are told to butt out.

s2-neb sniffs the corn husks and decides they are close enough to the big ten offer (whose interest is very legit) to bail. the b12 is shot and texas and a&m head north provided the big ten takes only them and nd.

s3-neb stays put. the b12 is back on and the longhorn network is underway. a&m and ok fuss but acquiesce.

s4-neb stays put. the b12 is back on and the longhorn network is underway. a&m and ok make good on their threat to bolt for the sec. like mo, a&m doesn’t matter, but the instant ou sets foot outside the b12, texas and a&m rendezvous with nd at the circle ten.

s5-neb stays put and the b12 is ginning. later neb reneges and accepts poison pill penalties to bolt for the big ten. texas declares the b12 kaput, scoops up its red-headed stepchild, and meets up with nd in the new b14.

s6-substitute ou/sec into s5.

epilog: regardless how it was formed, new b14 with texas, nd, and a&m later quietly add md and va. mega govt research $ comes with md/va.

i don’t know who is orchestrating this, deloss or bill powers or both, but a&m is being shown that when you squeeze nuts, you don’t use your nuts.

by rumplestiltsglenn on Jun 7, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Found it

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I never thought it would be so difficult reading something that has no capitol letters.

i think texas and nd are in cahoots.

I really doubt this. I just can’t imagine a scenario where either school benefits from leveraging each other. ND wants to remain independant, while Texas has never shown any indication of that being a possibility.

Also, MD and VA came out of left field.

by GoHorns on Jun 7, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seeing as

Colorado brings you the Denver TV market and Baylor brings you the ever-coveted Waco market, there should be some serious pushback from the Pac-10 on giving in to Baylor’s whining (at least I hope there is).

If Houston, TCU and Rice could be left out with no huge political repercussions, Baylor can’t possibly be undroppable. Also, Baylor is a private school so it should be easier to leave out than ATM or Tech as they are actually state schools (some of the posts in the above make it sound as if Baylor is a state school).

Maybe if they’d have found some of this sudden passion a few years ago and filled their stadium a few times (with Baylor fans, not UT fans), they wouldn’t have to whine and cry to be taken along now.

by tdwalsh on Jun 7, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Texas is COUNTING on Baylor to gum up the works (maybe?)

So after thinking about this over the weekend, and reading lots of good stuff on the subject, I am of a mind that the 6 team invite is an elaborate bluff to force NU and Mizzou to agree to the PAC 10/Big XII combined TV deal that allows UT to also have its network.

Hear me out:
The PAC 10 wants nothing to do with Tech/Okie Light in their conference (and especially not Baylor). They, and Texas and most of the Big XII want to do a partnered TV deal. But Nebraska and Mizzou are balking because of the potential opportunity with the Big Ten – and a weakened Big XII with no St. Louis/weakened KC market is not viable for what the PAC 10 and Big XII are trying to do (whether it’s with FOX or a new Comcast/NBC sports channel). So the PAC 10 pushes its chips in with a bluff, staked by Texas and the Big XII office, that they’ve invited these 6 schools. The Big XII can then go back to NU and Mizzou and give them the ultimatum that they apparently did over the weekend (commit to Big XII now or risk being left out in the cold).

The problem is that Mizzou and NU can’t commit, even if they wanted to. These are big state universities and can’t move that nimbly – plus they have some (tenuous) fiduciary responsibilities not to completely to shut down the Big Ten as an option. Assuming Mizzou and NU don’t commit, the PAC 10 can save face if the Texas legisalture “forces” Baylor into the pot. Can the legislature do this? I don’t think so, but I think Texas plays along here and says “well we had a deal, but we can’t get past the politics.” Then we are back to square 1 with no one having left yet and everyone hating each other. And that is why all this “Baylor” talk happened. I think it was planned. I think Texas and PAC 10 are using the other schools against each other to try to get the combined Big XII/PAC 10 deal where status quo remains the same.

We’ll see what happens, but I am still not completely buying the PAC 10 invite.

by A-Tex Devil on Jun 7, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I guess, but if the PAC 10 is in on it, then maybe? Occam’s razor and all make this unlikely, and I also buy the argument that the PAC 10 resigned itself to bringing in Tech and Okie light because they knew it would make it easier to get the other 3, politically. But the Baylor thing, at least this time around, is like rattling a plastic sword. It still makes noise, but won’t do much if you try to use it. Buddy Jones is powerful, but Baylor doesn’t have alums in the right places in the legislature to gum this up, much less the Lieut Governor to back them.

by A-Tex Devil on Jun 7, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

No baylor in pac

baylor should have NEVER been brought into the Big 12 in the first place. TCU would have been a better fit. baylor should be left with Conference usa. Perhaps then they could compete. The Pac will not like the lack of dynamics or the poor educational programs offerd by baylor.

by QueerSteer on Jun 7, 2010 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Say this doesn't go down...

…and the Big 12 stays mostly in tact. If we lose one or two teams from the North (Colorado and Neb/Mizz), where does the Big 12 go from there? I haven’t heard much about who the Big 12 would pick up because everybody seems to think the end is near, but I don’t think so. I think Texas likes swinging its big ole dick around and having the most influence in the conference. Not to mention the TV network that would certainly come if the big 12 stays together.

I’ve heard about Arkansas may be a possibility, but just for the pure sake of TV markets, what about Louisville or Memphis? I know they take backseats to UK and the ugly ut, but wouldn’t their football programs improve significantly with the prospect of recruiting in Texas? Louisville is solid at basketball and good at baseball. Memphis has been good at basketball and I imagine will be again once they recover from the ruins that Callipari left their program in.

I would think that they would bring in more $$$ than Baylor or Iowa State. Just some out of the box thoughts.

by tvr'11 on Jun 7, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

TV Markets go down

Loosing both Denver with KC/St. Louis creates a gap that can not be filled. Big XII allredy has Texas so no need to grow there. And Memphis/Louisville do not add much either. Same goes for adding Utah schools. No matter who they could add, unless in some strange, low percentage chance that they steal a big school like Florida or Ohio State, there is no school/s that can fill that void.

by Silentjay on Jun 7, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want to go to the Pac 10 in the worst way

I came to the ultimate conclusion that, while the money, tv deals, etc will be nice, the one reason I want to go to the Pac 10 is to beat the shit out of Cal for all the “Mack Brown whined his way into the 2005 Rose Bowl” talk.

/close can of worms

by GoHorns on Jun 7, 2010 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Boy, you've been carrying that around a while...

I’d say I was over that after two consecutive Rose Bowl victories.

by UT92 on Jun 7, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm over it too..

…but I assure you they are not. Go to the Cal blog and bring it up. Gauge their response.

I agree w/ GoHorns. Let’s give them a real reason to hate us.

by vy til i die on Jun 7, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, no

It’s not that I carry it around, but they sure do. I’d love nothing more than to put them in their place just to shut them up. Though, I know it won’t.

by GoHorns on Jun 7, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh c'mon

you know its all true. Not that I wouldn’t have wanted my school to try and do the same, but its true.

That said, its such a big deal to Cal fans because they haven’t been to the Rose Bowl since sometime in the early 50s

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by David Piper on Jun 8, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment of that Rose bowl, but I have empathy. OU and that damn .0125. We know what it is like to feel like we got screwed.

by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, tell me about it

who should have been playing for a national title in ’01? Kiss my ass Nebraska.

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by David Piper on Jun 8, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Texas fans really live in a delusional world.......

“Why is this happening?
A lot of reasons and let’s start with an age old one, jealousy. Texas rules the Big 12 Conference and has from the beginning. They have the biggest following, the most money, the most influence, the most of nearly everything. DeLoss Dodds is a founding father. When he said last week, paraphrasing, we didn’t start this but if we have to, we will finish it, Dodds meant it and he can do it and will.”

If Texas ruled the conference from the beginning, they would have more titles than OU. Heck, even when OU lost to Texas, we still managed titles….i.e. 2006 with Paul freaking Thompson and the notorious 2008…..LOL. You guys really think you’re some superior force because you have the largest following, or sale the most T-shirts, or you academic standards are just so much higher than everyone else. Please….. Absolutely lame. If I was a horn, I wouldn’t fall for this lame crap for an excuse to make myself feel that my team dominates the Big 12. Until UT surpasses OU in conference titles and even national titles in football, keep telling yourselves this. Go ahead, bring up the enormous amount of UT swimming titles. Its impressive, I won’t lie. But the heart and soul of Texas is football. I guess as a horn fan, this must keep your ego’s quite high…………BOOMER!

by EnragedOUfan on Jun 8, 2010 6:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Just posted a Fan Post about Buffs may be bolting. Chip Brown article on Orangebloods. They may be bolting first so Baylor may not be an issue…too bad for the Bears. :-)

by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

And it wasn’t credible.

I am so sick of all this rumor reporting.

by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The intelligentsia of Cal & Stanford...

…. were never going to vote to allow a religious private school into their little club.

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by HornChamps on Jun 10, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not start a fanpost?

What’s that, like 4? 5? times now? I think your point is moot, now, anyway.

by GoHorns on Jun 10, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

You a math major....

… at Austin Community College?

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by HornChamps on Jun 14, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

And more of the Jerry Falwell rant...

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 10, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh, wow..

trolls are my favorite.

by silky51 on Jun 8, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

EnragedOUFan is correct.

OU should be proud of all those titles. That is all that really matters. Every employer I have ever had certainly asked me why Texas lagged so far behind the Land Thieves in Big 12 titles.

And they certainly have the edge in the number of NCAA sanctions/probation received. We really need to work on that. Maybe Big Red Autos could open up a dealership in Austin? Does Garrett Gilbert need a summer job?

by dimecoverage on Jun 8, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good for you

When you look back over your life and evaluate the time you spent on Earth, you can look adoringly in your spouse’s eyes and say it was all worth it because of all of OUs national titles and conference titles in football.

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Jun 9, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correcet me if I'm wrong...

But wasn’t that written by an OSU blog?

This makes no sense.

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Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Jun 9, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

No I don't. I stand corrected.

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Jun 10, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

New Chip Brown Twitter

Orangebloods.com: Colorado expected to get bad news from NCAA APR Wednesday: football and basketball both stand to lose scholarships.

http://twitter.com/ChipBrownOB

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by BurntOrangeBoom on Jun 8, 2010 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

The absolute best (and by best I mean funniest) thing that could happen is

Notre dame accept the invite to the big10 and them close up show on expansion, meanwhile the 6 teams rumored to go to the New Pac16 bolt and leave Missouri and the cry babies to the north (Nebraska) holding their dick. It would serve them right for starting this crap!

by Bmadd3233 on Jun 8, 2010 11:15 PM CDT reply actions  

If Notre Dame joins Big12

That will make it 13 teams and then Missouri could make it 14. I hope CU does join early and then that will force the legislature to give up on Baylor. I’ll bet that within in 90 days we will have three conferences pushing 16 members each

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by gy2020 on Jun 9, 2010 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Texas A&M to the SEC?

Per Andy Staples

It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.

by Richie Grogan on Jun 9, 2010 11:53 PM CDT reply actions  

They would be dumb to do that

But this is the Aggies so they might try to get into ACC just to spite us.

by Silentjay on Jun 10, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Aggies would probably love to separate from Texas and join another conference, but in the end it will have to be approved by The Leg. While they let that happen? Maybe history won’t repeat itself, but I doubt it.

by dimecoverage on Jun 10, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Not to mention....

…. the move would have given them a small bit of recruiting advantage. Like it or not, there are plenty of Texas athletes wanting to play in the SEC. Most would still go to LSU, Bama and Florida, as they have in the past. However, some would take the A&M route to the SEC.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Jun 10, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question

When all the dust settles on realignment, in what year/season will we actually be scheduled and playing in the hypothetical Pac-16/12/whatever?

by UTrumbo on Jun 10, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Hard to tell

There is supposed to be a 2 yr notice period that schools must give to the Big XII. However, I’m not so sure that’s really going to be necessary if/when every school is bailing. They may do away with it after 2010. Still all speculation at this point.

by GoHorns on Jun 10, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dime..

Any way we can get a “game day” thread on this…

The news is coming fast, and there are new fan posts/shots for each bit of news….hard to keep up with the discussion.

by utcopt on Jun 10, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

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