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Longhorns' Football Legacy in Big 12 (The Numbers)

Since its inception, the Big 12 has really proven to be the Big 2.  The past 14 seasons have belonged almost entirely to South Division teams Texas and Oklahoma (while many in 1996 perhaps would have predicted the league would be dominated by the North's Nebraska and Colorado).

I'll try to keep this to ten bullet points, but if there happens to be an eleventh, let's still think of it as the traditional ten.

  • In 1996, who would have believed Texas would go 8-1 vs. Nebraska?  (6-0 regular season and 2-1 in conference championships.)  Obviously it was a nice 1-0 start to the series, but the chant "37-27" has since been replaced by "41-38."  As good as the Big 12 has been to Texas, it has been equally bad for Nebraska, despite a weak division.  Remember when Nebraska's standards dictated that their coach be fired after a 9-win season?  In 1996, who would have believed the Huskers would panic and ditch the run for a West Coast system?  Rarely have the breaks gone NU's way.  While the series vs Texas was lopsided in the Win-Loss column, the average score of 23-19 in those games was much closer as the Longhorns won some nail-biters.  The last meeting certainly was no different.

Star-divide

  • Texas is 38-9 vs. Big 12 North Teams, including 14-0 vs. Kansas and Iowa State combined.
     53-17 vs. Big 12 South (26-2 vs Baylor and OSU combined). 
    Surprisingly, the team that has fared the best vs. Texas is NOT Oklahoma, nor is the team even in the South Division.

    8-0   vs. Kansas..............[total points 372-128 (avg: W 47-16) ]
    6-0   vs. Iowa State..........[total points 252-120 (avg: W 42-20) ]
    13-1 vs. Baylor................[total points 627-180 (avg: W 45-13) ]
    13-1 vs. Oklahoma State..[total points 563-302 (avg: W 40-22) ]
    8-1   vs. Nebraska...........[total points 208-173 (avg: W 23-19) ]
    7-1   vs. Missouri............[total points 326-157 (avg: W 41-20) ]
    7-3   vs. Colorado............[total points 379-190 (avg: W 42-21) ]
    10-4 vs. Texas A&M.......[total points 470-285 (avg: W 34-20) ]
    10-4 vs. Texas Tech.......[total points 557-386 (avg: W 40-28) ]
    7-7   vs. Oklahoma.........[total points 335-372 (avg: L 24-27) ]
    2-4   vs. Kansas State....[total points 128-212 (avg: L 21-35) ]
  • The Longhorns first kept a Pac-10 school out of the Rose Bowl in 2005, a feat that may become an annual occurrence, albeit because Texas would be in the same conference.  A reminder to DeLoss Dodds, when negotiating with the soon to be Pac-Tex, don't forget the "no Holiday Bowls" clause.  Rose and Cotton should do.  If Nebraska ever made it through the Big Ten (which may technically be the new "Big Twelve" just to rub it in) and reached the Rose Bowl, what if Texas was on the opposite sidelines ready to relive some memories for 4 quarters?  Derek Lewis, Major Applewhite, Ryan Bailey, and Hunter Lawrence could flip the coin.  Coin flips are reviewable, right?
  • Dennis Franchione (2-3 vs UT) and Ron Prince (2-0 vs UT) each won their final two games against the Longhorns before being fired.  They should have pointed to the fact that 6 other Big 12 teams have not even beaten Texas twice in the conference's 14 years.  (21 past and present coaches have not won a conference game against the Horns.)
  • Texas entered the first Big 12 season, with an all-time record of 52-33-5 in the Red River Rivalry/Shootout.  Texas has maintained the +19 advantage (59-40-5).  Despite the parity for the past 14 years, the Sooners have distinct hardware advantages when comparing conference championships** (OU 6, UT 3) and Employee of the Month awards at Big Red Sports & Imports (OU 2, UT 0).  **Only half of the Big 12 has won a conference title.  5 teams have never even been to the title game.
  • Texas is 13-0 vs. the former SWC teams it left behind and 2-2 vs. Arkansas.
    9-0 vs. Rice
    3-0 vs. Houston
    1-0 vs. TCU
     n/a vs. SMU
  • In 14 seasons, the conference has produced 3 National Champions as Texas is tied with OU and Nebraska with one apiece.  Texas is 1-1.  Nebraska is 1-1.  OU is 1-3.  The SWC produced just 2 more champions over a span of 82 seasons (Texas 3, A&M 1, TCU 1).
  • Technically Bill Snyder is the only Head Coach who was with his current team when the conference began play in 1996, but no school has had fewer than 2 coaches.  Only Baylor has had more coaching changes than Nebraska.

    5 - Baylor
    4 - Nebraska
    4 - Kansas
    3 - Iowa State
    3 - Texas A&M
    3 - Oklahoma State
    3 - Texas Tech
    3 - Colorado
    3(2) - Kansas State
    2 - Missouri
    2 - Oklahoma
    2 - Texas
  • As recently announced, Cowboy Stadium is scheduled to also host the 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 Big 12 title games.  If someone has Dan Beebe or Jerry Jones' email, you may want to give them a heads up.
  • I seem to be one note shy.  May need to see if the Mountain West has one I can borrow.

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Thanks Lincoln

Rec’d and added to the front page, where it should be

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jun 9, 2010 10:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Awesome post!

That’s a lot of information you produced and greatly appreciated. Not only are we 2-4 against K-St but we are losing by an average of two TD’s. Ouch…

Maybe they do own Texas.

Sports is man's joke on God, You see, God says to man, 'I've created a universe where it seems like everything matters, where you'll have to grapple with life and death and in the end you'll die anyway, and it won't really matter.' So man says to God, 'Oh, yeah? Within your universe we're going to create a sub-universe called sports, one that absolutely doesn't matter, and we'll follow everything that happens in it as if it were life and death.'" - Sam Kellerman

by 2Cor12:9 on Jun 9, 2010 11:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I knew K-St. was our biggest nemesis,

I have mixed feelings about them now that we’re [probably] leaving. On the one hand, I’ve sympathy for a decent program that will probably be left out in the cold. On the other hand, I really hate those guys.

by BrooklynHorn on Jun 10, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

2010 and 2011

The good news is that if the conference change does not actually take effect before the end of the 2011 season, Texas will have two more games to even the score. Let’s hope that they make the most of them.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 10, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

All-time

Pretty sure all-time record over NU now over .500..too lazy to research KSU..a little help,please.

by hunghorn on Jun 9, 2010 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Ooops

KSU, we are 5-5.

First game in 1913, last in 2007.

by Forty on Jun 9, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeLoss Dodds

is a Kansas State grad, that explains it.

by Forty on Jun 9, 2010 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Once all the fur has stopped flying

and everybody figures out where home is and who the new neighbors are . . . you think Coach Osborne would be open to a home-and-home?

by edsp on Jun 9, 2010 11:07 PM CDT reply actions  

RIP

Great Post, Lincoln. But I’m going to miss the Big XII……not looking forward to long roadtrips to oregon state, stanford, etc, but games in Autzen, the Rose Bowl, the Coliseum will be excellent. It’s a travesty if in fact that nebraska leaving makes the whole conference fall apart…why not pick up TCU, Boise St, Utah? Nebraska wasn’t the conference’s best Network pull anyway…

Ps- I HATE CHICAGO.

by LHorn on Jun 9, 2010 11:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I HATE CHICAGO.

Flyers fan?

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 10, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

statement about Nebraska

we didn’t panic. We hired a megalomaniac for an athletic director who’s ego ran amok. The guy was a disaster, and brought with him Bill Callahan, who was also a disaster.

We played you guys pretty close most of the time, even when our teams were pretty lousy. If we join the Big 10 (still IF), I have to say that I’ll be disappointed that we didn’t get the opportunity to even that up a little.

And who knows, after this split happens, maybe we’ll meet again soon. Say…. the national title game in 2012. :)

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!
Twitter!
cornnation@gmail.com

by Jon Johnston on Jun 9, 2010 11:36 PM CDT reply actions  

See

“Once all the fur” above. Invite us up. We’ll invite you down the following year.

by edsp on Jun 10, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

very wishful thinking on your part

i keep hearing neb is going back to its greatness, i think its all BS, Neb will keep sucking for atleast a couple more yrs, if not more

by vanterminatorhorn on Jun 10, 2010 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

What is Nebraska's current recruiting base?

I’m not sure.
I imagine they’ll start to lose more warm weather athletes to smaller programs.
If Colorado stays in, I could see yall losing players to them, based on who/where they’ll get to play vs who/where yall do.

by abcdmetrius on Jun 10, 2010 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mainly Nebraska

Then Texas, California and Florida I believe. They currently have 25 Texans on their roster. Expect that number to dwindle.

"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jun 10, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good luck to you guys

Nebraska’s fans have been great and I hope to see the program back at the top. I’m already looking forward to a regular game with Ohio State. See you at CWS.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jun 10, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Always loved watching NU beat up on OU.

Great Fans. Great Traditions. Hope you beat Ohio State and Michigan on a regular basis.

by Ohio Horn on Jun 10, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Philly

Is my hometown, so yes I’m a Flyers/Phillies fan.

by LHorn on Jun 10, 2010 12:10 AM CDT reply actions  

If this whole deal goes down as expected

I’m assuming it will take effect immediately and our schedules next season will change?

by carsondude on Jun 10, 2010 12:41 AM CDT reply actions  

I remember reading something about a 2 year notice to vacate the conference.....

if there is still a conference is the question.

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Jun 10, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can't blame the man can you?

He is an Arky grad and McElroy’s dad works for him.

Sports is man's joke on God, You see, God says to man, 'I've created a universe where it seems like everything matters, where you'll have to grapple with life and death and in the end you'll die anyway, and it won't really matter.' So man says to God, 'Oh, yeah? Within your universe we're going to create a sub-universe called sports, one that absolutely doesn't matter, and we'll follow everything that happens in it as if it were life and death.'" - Sam Kellerman

by 2Cor12:9 on Jun 10, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

COMPLETELY AGREE

ive been saying this all over, no one is bigger or more imp to me than texas, f the cowboys. you dont support the in state team, you can go to hell for all i care….personally i would love to keep seeing the cowboys suck as long as jerry is at the helm

by vanterminatorhorn on Jun 10, 2010 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nooooooooo

"I'm young, but I'm old-fashioned." - Will Muschamp

by BMC237 on Jun 10, 2010 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

What?

Does the pro team have to support any college team? No.

by carsondude on Jun 10, 2010 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"You've got to think lucky. If you fall into a mudhole, check your back pocket - you might have caught a fish" -- Darrell Royal

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jun 10, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean Arlington?

Arlington (where the stadium is) stands to lose a lot of money from losing the title game. Dallas couldn’t care less what happens. The Red River Rivalry will still be played in the Cotton Bowl.

by GoHorns on Jun 10, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I’m a resident of Arlington and it’s a touchy subject for those of us that shelled out a ton of money to help build the stadium to see us get no recognition at all.

by GoHorns on Jun 10, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great post Lincoln and in regards to the Pac/Big 16 championship game....

We rotate it between the Cowboys stadium and the Rose Bowl every year. One would hope the Cotton Bowl becomes a BCS game considering it’s historically the best bowl other than maybe the Rose Bowl. Oh yeah, the stadium’s badass too.

by SneezyBeltran on Jun 10, 2010 1:18 AM CDT reply actions  

What would you call the new Pac-16?

“when negotiating with the soon to be Pac-Tex…”

Pac-16 doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue, nor is it geographically accurate.

I like the Pac-West. It could also be the names of the two divisions. Pacific Division and Southwestern or West Division.

Obviously this new league has a strange footprint, but this name kind of evokes their similarities as “the West” in a Manifest Destiny, west of the Mississippi way. Say it five times fast and tell me it doesn’t just sound right.

by ahz on Jun 10, 2010 1:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Won't we play K-State the next two years?

So we can even up the series before we leave right?

by mcmccaleb on Jun 10, 2010 1:32 AM CDT reply actions  

+1 for insightfulness

"I'm young, but I'm old-fashioned." - Will Muschamp

by BMC237 on Jun 10, 2010 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

YOU CAN THANKS US ANY TIME NOW

A&M, Tech, OU, OSU, you guys can thank us anytime now for saving your asses and keeping your ass from being left in the dark like Kansas and maybe even Mizzou…

These are all the schools that hate Texas the most, and yet we saved their ass… there is a reason we call ourselves ‘the good guys’…

Any day now….

by vanterminatorhorn on Jun 10, 2010 2:12 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

And OSU doesn't particularly hate Texas

It’s A&M I want to hear squeal.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jun 10, 2010 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

OSU hates Texas about as much as a&m hates ou.

As long as big brother whips ’em annually, the 2ndary thing on their mind is the big bully in the other state.

by robthecob on Jun 10, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

no OSU hate for Texas

I am a Longhorn grad going to OSU for grad school and they want Texas to beat OU every year in the RRS. They actually respect us and only hate what we do to them every year in every sport (tease them with a possible win only to crush them late in the game). Other than that, they admire that we hate OU as much as they do.

by OminousPolaris on Jun 10, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

by robthecob on Jun 11, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh contrare

I do not think they get into the PAC 10 without Texas due to academics, sleaziness, and sheer market share numbers. That said, the quality of their overall program is in the top 5 nationally, and the SEC would prolly welcome.

by realmccoy on Jun 10, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just when things are starting to go well......

Somebody decides to s*** the bed.

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Jun 10, 2010 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ummm

I don’t think it was like:
Pac-10: We only want Texas
Texas: No, you must take A&M, Tech, OU, OSU
Pac-10: Ok fine, but they have you to thank because we really don’t want them.

by carsondude on Jun 10, 2010 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

What fascinates me about this post

Is that it is 100% about football, without ever using the term “football.” From the headline, I thought maybe you were going to explore Texas’ legacy across all sports. Baylor keeps making the point that, even if they are never competitive in football, they rank 5th in Big 12 titles across all sports. But I guess we all know that conference realignment is foremost a football story, and this post makes that point without even using the word.

by NYCHorn on Jun 10, 2010 7:49 AM CDT reply actions  

You're right

All of this chaos circles around money, and football is far and away the top money sport, which draws the viewers and pays for the majority of the other men’s and women’s sports. Men’s basketball is the #2 money sport, and look how much weight that holds for Kansas, who despite being more dominant in hoops than UT and OU were in football, is being lumped with Iowa State rather than supplanting Tech or OSU.

Texas’ volleyball, swimming/diving, and baseball have all been tremendous these past 14 years. Men’s basketball, softball, and track have also had a great showing. But Nebraska going to the Big Ten is not about their elite volleyball program wanting to play Penn State more often. (And out of laziness, it was easier for me to crunch the numbers for a sport that just plays about 13 times a year.)

by Lincoln on Jun 10, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you use Stassen?

It tends to make projects like this a bit easier

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Jun 10, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite stat regarding Nebraska.

Texas beat them EVERY year they played.

by billb on Jun 10, 2010 8:03 AM CDT reply actions  

A few random topics

Who would have guessed that our OOC games with UCLA would only get us ready for our new conference buddies? Also the Cal games may just be incorperated into conference games in 15/16.

Also Jerry probably just gets the new conference to have the championship game in Dallas in at least 2012. Thus he only loses a few million.

Anyone doing a little dance that USC is getting the hammer slammed down? Just hope OU does not “Win” another NC because of it. We just wont be chanting 45-35, we will have to now add 55-19. (and yes I now live in Oklahoma and would have to hear about their 8 titles, not 7).

by RQ on Jun 10, 2010 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

OU's "titles"

I live in Mobilhoma too and when they bring up their titles, I remind them of five major NCAA violations during five of those title seasons, so they only can claim two clean ones. And then remind them that Texas has never had that problem. Usually shuts them up.

by OminousPolaris on Jun 10, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

I’ve never yet met a sooner who won’t shut up about their titles, tainted or not.

by robthecob on Jun 11, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but...

•The Longhorns first kept a Pac-10 school out of the Rose Bowl in 2005, a feat that may become an annual occurrence.

The Longhorns were not the first to keep a Pac-10 school out of the Rose Bowl. In the National Title game for the 2001 season it was Miami vs. Nebraska in the Rose Bowl. Although it was for BCS title it was still the Rose Bowl.

by What_the on Jun 10, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

The Longhorns didn't keep a Pac-10 team

(Cal) out of the game . . . Texas won all its games late in the season, and the computer geeks and voters in the other polls adjusted their ratings. Sure, Mack said, “What about us?” on TV, and a lot of people heard him. He also said, “What about us?” at the end of the ’08 season, and his words fell on deaf ears and OU (45-35, if I recall correctly) got the MNC ticket.

by edsp on Jun 10, 2010 11:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Allow me to rephrase.

Texas was in the Rose Bowl in 2005.

Arizona, ASU, Cal, UCLA, USC, Oregon, OSU, Stanford, Washington, WSU were not in the Rose Bowl in 2005.

Technically, USC could have been in the 2005 Rose Bowl if it decided it didn’t want to play in the BCS title game and begged its way out of playing Oklahoma and listening to Ashley Simpson at halftime.

But generally, due to the fact that bowl games have not adopted a progressive Chinese checkers format, including a third team, when Texas showed up to play Michigan, it made it very difficult for any of the other NCAA Division I, II, or III, or NAIA team to play in the 2005 Rose Bowl.

No one here is accusing Mack of being a whiner. That was Aaron Rodgers, but now he has shifted his ire towards Tony Kornheiser and Ron Jaworski. Perhaps Jermichael Finley showed him the light.

And thank you to TexasWahoo, above, who accurately highlights that to state that a square is a rectangle is not the same as asserting a rectangle to be a square.

by Lincoln on Jun 10, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big 10 Sucks.....Welcome NU

Big 10 is great for academics……..bad for football!

Here’s the proof. In head-to-head competetion in Bowl games played over the past four years the Big 10 has posted an AMAZINGLY TERRIBLE record verse the Big 12 of 1-8!! Btw, Nebraska is not among those Big 12 wins.
A year ago virtually everyone on the blog rightfully considered the Big 10 to be a mediocre conference; its kinda funny how the possibility of an NU invite instantly changes NU’s fans mind set. NU will learn to enjoy the softness of the Big 10; Bo & Company will be able to avoid their anual losses to the dominant Big 12 South.
At 1-8 the Big 10 actually receives more respect than they should………my guess nobody on this blog realized they were that bad!

by teem on Jun 10, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Great Post - BUT

Dont we honestly deserve an asterisk for the loss in the MNC? It was obvious that the coaches had done an impeccable job of preparation(tactical adjustments not so much) and we would have won without the injury.

by realmccoy on Jun 10, 2010 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

this is texas football

there are no moral victories just stats in the w/l column

by AlDe2356 on Jun 10, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colorado to the PAC

too bad baylor. you should go with tcu, smu, n. texas, houston, tulane, utep, new mexico, new mexico state, kansas st, colo st, texas st and form your own.

Also, a/m to sec with okie st.

by QueerSteer on Jun 10, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions  

A modest proposal for SuperConference America

Since conference realignment is all about money, why not go ahead and put all the nation’s football powerhouses (including the Longhorns) into one national superconference? I call it SuperConference America:

http://www.lawrenceperson.com/?p=1629

by Lawrence Person on Jun 10, 2010 3:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Nebraska

These Conference realignments are necessary because NU has not been able to compete in the Big 12. The South Division bent over backwards to accommodate NU…..case in point, the Divisions should have been realigned years ago. The South sooooo dominated the North……this has been well documented over the years by both the LJS & OWH. NE complained about all the 11-1 votes……WHY? Because NU was being unreasonable; they overestimated their value in the eyes of ALL their fellow conference members. Amazingly, these votes weren’t drawn upon Division lines. NU’s Northern partners couldn’t support NU’s rediculous demands.

Yes, NU tired of getting spanked by the South Division. After years of trying to successfully compete, they decided they couldn’t do anything about the “geography issue”. As a result, they have decided to join a conference made up of geographically handicapped equals. NU should find the Mediocre Big 10 suited more to their liking. A conference that’s 1-8 verse the Big 12 in recent year’s Bowl games…..the Big 10 should help cure what ails NU….quality opponents!

by teem on Jun 10, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

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