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2012 Austin High WR Cayleb Jones now has Texas second on his list, behind the Miami Hurricanes (photo by the author).

Horns_bullet_mediumNational championship rematch for Malcolm Brown. As long as Mack Brown and company avoid the recruiting equivalent of the speed option, everything should be fine...

Morbid jokes aside, Cibolo Steele RB Malcolm Brown announced this week that this two finalists are Alabama and Texas, the very same teams that met at the Rose Bowl last January. For diehard Texas recruitniks, the stakes are probably equally as high as they were in the national championship game and the ability of the Tide to run the football and inability to do the same on the Texas side could potentially swing the battle for Brown's services in favor of the team from Tuscaloosa once again. Brown must choose between the known running game of Alabama and an offense that already successfully features two backs with similar skill sets and a running game based entirely on the promise of a change in scheme as the remedy for several years of failure.

The good news is that Brown made his way to Austin this week to take in the Texas campus one last time and get a better view of the academic situation, and, according to a report, meet with some of the current players to get their take on the program. In the past, pairings like Keenan Robinson and Jordan Hicks, Christian Scott and MIke Davis, and Demarco Cobbs and Josh Turner, have all helped seal the deal.

Conventional wisdom still favors the Longhorns, but the sense here is that the recent visit to Alabama, Brown's first, helped close the gap and that the uncertainty around the running game could hurt Texas. Most rumors have Brown's mother favoring Texas, no doubt in an effort to keep her baby close to home and within easy traveling distance to games, while his father prefers the certainty of Alabama success on the ground.

Brown should announce his decision within the next two or three weeks, finally ending what has seemed like endless speculation about his destination and if Brown chooses the Tide, then a serious discussion can take place about the back-up plan for Texas. Until then, the odds still favor the bruising back ending up in Burnt Orange, though it no longer feels like a foregone conclusion, despite positive rumblings like this one.

Star-divide

Horns_bullet_mediumLonghorns lose pole position with Jones to Da U. The last we heard from Cayleb Jones, the Austin High star receiver had Texas firmly atop his leader board. However, a seismic shift has taken place, resulting in the Longhorns dropping from the top spot ($) in favor of the Miami Hurricanes.

Taken out of context, it might seem strange that a kid who seemingly didn't have Miami on his radar at the time of the Maroon spring game now has them as his leader. Taken in context, it makes much more sense -- after starring for the champion Cowboy teams of the mid-90s, Robert Jones played several seasons for the Miami Dolphins for Jimmy Johnson, the former head coach of the Hurricanes. During his last season with the Fins, the linebackers coach was none other than Randy Shannon, now the head man in Coral Gables.

As much as anything, then, the trip to Florida for Cayleb Jones and his family was arguably a trip home, to a place where Cayleb grew up before moving to Austin. And despite the former connection, Jones sounded as if it were a surprise to him how much he liked Miami, particularly the the attention he could receive from professors at the private school, the scenery, and the reputation for putting players in the NFL.

While one report dismissed Jones as having little connection to Austin, the fact that he has spent his formative years here and still has the Longhorns second on his list (with A&M third) remains a positive for Texas moving forward. The question now is just how much of an impact those years have had on him. Was he deeply moved to become a Longhorn fan when Vince Young found the end zone in Pasadena, when Jones was in the impressionable age range between 10 and 11? Would his family be willing to move back to South Florida to see him play in college or does the hometown appeal of staying in Austin and watching their son play weigh on the minds of Mr. and Mrs. Jones?

The last major factor in all of this is that Jones is considering making an early commitment some time in the fall to avoid the hassles that accompany a recruitment of his magnitude. Though Jones has not discussed the possibility with the Texas coaches, the obvious consideration is that the Longhorns have not in the past been willing to offer recruits before the first Junior Day and declined to take a commitment from Demarco Cobbs when he visited during the fall of the junior year. Would Brown be willing to make an exception for Jones and takes an early commitment from him if he decides to head in that direction? It would seem that with such a major talent, it would be virtually impossible to keep such a pledge secret until the first Junior Day.

The Longhorns certainly aren't out of it with Jones, but now have some ground to make up and potentially a major decision to make regarding early offers.

Horns_bullet_mediumWhat exactly is going on with David Jenkins? Over the course of the Texas 7-on-7 State Championship, Lewisville Hebron CB David Jenkins did numerous interviews with a variety of recruiting analysts and confirmed that he does in fact have an offer from Texas, as the Longhorns sent his written offer in the mail to him shortly after extending a verbal offer through his head coach.

It is still not clear though whether that offer is committable and Jenkins himself seems unsure ($). The lack of communication in this situation seems odd -- it was less surprising when Jenkins was essentially unavailable visiting his family back in Louisiana, but now it makes little sense. If Jenkins is serious about the Longhorns, he needs to take the initiative to call the Texas coaches to determine the current if he still has an offer, which seems doubtful given the overall numbers and Josh Turner's recent commitment.

The Recruitocosm post linked above mentions that the coaching staff will watch Jenkins this season to determine if they want to close with him, but that is extremely unlikely to happen, as the talented defensive back plans on making his decision in August and all signs point to LSU, his home state. In fact, Jenkins has only spent the last year in Texas, part of the reason it took him so long to crack the starting lineup last year -- he had to convince his new coaches that he could play first. Ultimately, whether Jenkins still has a committable offer from Texas or not may not matter because he looks destined to become a Tiger.

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Bad news about Jones

It’s not looking good with the top 2012 players so far, especially if we get Brown and Gray doesn’t like competition. I know it’s very, very early, but losing all of the consensus top three would be a veritable disaster the likes of we haven’t seen since we were getting raided by OU in the early-mid 2000s.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 16, 2010 5:19 PM CDT reply actions  

After the last 2 recruiting hauls...

I wouldn’t call this a disaster by any stretch of the imagination.

by Hippie Killer on Jul 19, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 16, 2010 5:41 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Can't resist poor taste

So would a key injury early in the game help or hurt our chances of winning this time?

by NYHorn on Jul 16, 2010 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Why the relatively pessimistic attitude about Brown, GBR?

Do you have any quotes from sources (anonymous or otherwise) to support your feeling?

Every other recruiting analyst out there talks as if it’s a foregone conclusion that it will be Brown to Texas.

by jpsantini on Jul 17, 2010 1:33 AM CDT reply actions  

As mentioned in that FanShot

The Alabama writing was starting to feel better about it, which means just about nothing, but mostly it’s the fact that I think Alabama can make an extremely strong sell to Brown in terms of scheme and I think that has to be appealing to him. It’s easy to imagine him fitting in that offense seamlessly and even if he has to share carries with Trent Richardson for a year or two, he’ll still have a good opportunity there.

On the other hand, I’m so used to tearing apart the Texas running game and after watching the performance at the spring game, it’s easy to come away unconvinced that the adjustments will immediately reap dividends. To compare the two, Alabama is the known and Texas is the unknown and as much as he may really like the Longhorns, that has to be causing some second thoughts from both Brown and his father.

So I guess to directly answer your question, it’s less about quotes or sources and more about my sense, which could be completely off, that Alabama has closed the lead here and is a threat for the reasons laid out above and the fact that Brown isn’t a native Texan. There’s obviously a lot of pride most Texans feel for their home state and a lot of those feelings get transferred to UT and that isn’t there for Brown as much as it is in most other in-state recruitments.

by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jul 17, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Alabama. Sheesh.

Why would anyone voluntarily go to a pithole of a state like Alabama? Imagine having to spend 3-4 years there. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Of course, I also don’t get why any Texas player would voluntarily go to Oklahoma, either, so there you have it.

In-VINCE-able.

by iamjackburton on Jul 17, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I generally feel that way about anywhere from LA to the FL panhandle

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 17, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Take 2

So brown could be the man at Texas from day one or go to bama and wait a couple years to be in the same position???

He’d have to like bama substantially more than Teaxas to do that.

I don’t buy it for a second.

It’s also BS for people to believe that the last couple years means that Texas won’t be able to run the football again in the very near future. Malcolm Brown is MUCH closer to Ricky Williams than he is to Vondrell McGee and Tre Newton and the running game, with Brown behind the QB, would reflect that difference.

by jpsantini on Jul 17, 2010 3:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

vondrell

Do you remember when McGree was being recruited? He was elite high school player!

In Mack Brown We Trust!

by Cyrus on Jul 17, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is exactly what....

…. our competition points out to the RB recruits. We’re known as the place marquee RB recruits go to shrivel on the vine. We really need T.Shead to be a big success.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Jul 18, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what happened

How many amazing running backs did we have in a row. Charles and Benson succeeded with the spread so that isn’t it. Greg Davis and Mack Brown have been around for a long while so that isn’t it.

What turned our offense from a powerhouse game to barely getting past the Line of Scrimmage?

by NYHorn on Jul 18, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The increased emphasis

on the quarterback in general. Think of how much our offense was predicated on Vince and Colt. From that point it evolved into greater emphasis on the passing game and here we are.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jul 18, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different RBs coach (Applewhite succeeded Rucker), mostly

And while that’s not to try and trash Major, I think he’s probably best-suited for another position on the staff.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 18, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

More accurate to say

Benson succeeded because of VY. His numbers prior to VY were not great, and actually pretty poor when Mock was the starter.

Charles was great in spots, but was never a consistent runner in the scheme. Unlike the current backs on the roster, he had the ability to rip off an 80 yarder after getting stopped for little or no gains on his previous 10 carries, which made the running game dangerous and made his stats look good.

by Horncasting on Jul 18, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Benson was a freshman all-american before Vince even stepped on campus

I don’t think he succeeded because of VY. I think his numbers were a little better than they otherwise would’ve been his senior year had sophomore VY not been there, but I think it’s a stretch to say VY was the reason he succeeded.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 18, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying we wouldn't have been a success

But I’m not sure his numbers don’t look surprisingly like what UT RB’s have done the last 2 years if he hadn’t shared the backfield with VY.

During the Simms era he had a 4.4 YPC average (4.2 for his entire soph year) with 12 TD’s in each of those years. In 2003 with Mock as the starter his YPC was 4.2. He finished 2003 with a YPC of 5.6. Through 6 games with Mock as the starter he had 390 yards. Through the next 6 with VY as the starter he had almost 1,000 yards. In 2004 with a full year of VY as the starter his YPC jumped to 5.6.

by Horncasting on Jul 19, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a good point

I know it’s great to get excited about talent, but the fact is that highly-rated incoming talent can be ineffective just as easily as highly-rated talent that’s already on the roster.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 17, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

GOBR

You sound like MB is a Bama lean. What are the percentages about his commit? 50/50?

by Longhorns84 on Jul 17, 2010 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

No way

Texas is a huge favorite.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 17, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

Not a Bama lean. It would still be a major upset for him to land in Tuscaloosa.

by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jul 18, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, McGee wasn't the talent

. . . coming out of HS that Brown is.

McGee, Newton, Johnson, Whitaker will never play one down in the NFL. They are average college backs. All good people, I’m sure, but just average or perhaps in some cases a bit below average D1 (and yes, I know that is an antiquated term) players. Only someone completely and hopelessly blinded by the burnt orange could fool themselves into believing otherwise.

Brown is special in the way that Williams, Benson, and Charles were special. If he signs with Texas, as it looks today that he will, he’ll be the next big thing at Texas barring unforeseen events.

by jpsantini on Jul 18, 2010 1:22 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Johnson has a chance as an NFL fullback

I’m not enthralled with Tre Newton but I’m not ready to write him off quite yet after only one season. A lot can happen in three more years.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jul 18, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

For a sophomore

It feels like Newton should be a senior by now….

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 18, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cody ate his way out of running back

so i am not sure how it is Major’s fault. Kid hasn’t shown the discipline to put the knife and fork down. Foz was an undersized back coming out of Pearland who was over worked. Ced got a ton of carries at Lee but he had a knack of avoiding hits. Foz’ college career has followed the same arc as the other Pearland backs and that is a list of injuries and spotty play. As for McGee, he was one of the better backs in a down year. He is no where near in the class of Peterson, Charles, or Brown.

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's news to most, I think

Because if we’re going by rivals rating, McGee was a 6.0, just like Charles was. That’s equal to the highest rating currently assigned to anyone on UT’s 2011 commitment list (tied with Westerman and Edmond), and also equal to anyone who committed in 2010 up until Jeffcoat and Hicks did. We’ll see where Brown finishes up, but he’s a 6.1.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 18, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bullshit

that number is relative to the year it is in and nothing more. That argument is like saying the kid ranked #1 in their graduating class is as equally smart as every other kid ranked #1 when some kids are smart kids that work their butts off and others are truly brilliant. McGee was a good back, but did not show the explosiveness or the ability to create something out of nothing that you saw with Charles, Peterson, Brown, or Benson.

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

2006 was considered an extremely deep year for RB's in Texas

Just like this year. I don’t think the relative comparison is bad at all. People from East Texas that saw him play swore McGee was going to be the next Benson and that he was not far below Peterson.

by Horncasting on Jul 18, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go back and look at the 2006 class.

Goodson never carried more than 100 times in high school and he showed the same durability in college, Moody was a flake, Evans left Ga. Tech, Nance couldn’t stay healthy at Az. State, and McGee is what he was in high school. A between the tackle back with good quickness, but not great vision and not explosive. Anyone who compared him to Ced were highly and I mean highly biased. You could see Ced as a freshman showed the vision and the ability to slide tackles that made him special. I don’t ever recall seeing a video of McGee and thinking he was special. He was a very good high school back who ran hard.

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LiUbtZ5IKU&feature=fvw

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 18, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go find Charles 400 yards versus Westfield

and tell me they are even close in high school. Go find Ced in high school then tell me it is the same.

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heck, go pull Hales highlight video from the Forest Game

He makes a good 8-9 guys miss on a long touchdown run, looks a heck of a lot faster than McGee and there is no way Hales is a running back in college.

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's not a lot of video

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's not a lot of video

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's not a lot of video

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's not a lot of video

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's not a lot of video

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Precisely

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or Jamaal Charles from PA to KC Part I

and tell me that is the same type of acceleration.

by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you know that I meant McGee

There’s really not a whole lot of video for him, or rather, there aren’t highlight reels.

I didn’t say he had the same kind of acceleration. Thanks for putting words into my mouth, though.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are the one who said that his rating for 2006

made his ranking relative to the rankings of other backs in other years. My point all along was 2006 was a bad year, the guy just didn’t flash the vision or acceleration of the other elite backs and when you looked at kids like Benson, Charles, and Peterson you didn’t have to watch very long to see they had elite ability. It never got that watching McGee’s film. Hales’ one against Forest where he makes one guy miss 3 times in a space that is as wide as the close hash and the sideline was more impressive than McGee’s run in terms of vision, explosiveness, and being elusive.

by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I said that relativity was NOT the key factor

You actually said that it was relative to his own year. I disagree. I don’t think there’s relativity, but rather standardization. Again, putting words into my mouth. Why do you keep doing that?

And there’s a lot more to being a RB than explosiveness and acceleration. McGee was obviously a pretty impressive back in HS. You think the coaching staff completely blew it when they scouted him, I guess?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes they did just like Foz,

Hills, and Whaley. The talent on the offensive side of the ball has been spotty, doesn’t blend well, and this is the first class that is consistent in fitting with an offense. You can actually see what they are trying to do and not a hodge podge of players that would commit.

by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting. Well, considering all of the guys you're mentioning are underclassmen...

…it’s really hard to think there’s been enough time to credibly make that judgment.

But of course I’m sure I’ve said something else I didn’t say that makes for a rather sizable straw man.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Texas only has one

senior running back in McGee who really hasn’t shown much, Foz has been hurt much of his time in Austin, Hills was a good high school back who hasn’t seen much time in Austin, and Whaley is a guy who as I said has a Robert strait feel to me. A long strider without much shake who is getting naturally bigger and consequently slower. He didn’t show much burst in the Spring and I am afraid is only going to get bigger as he matures.

It isn’t as if the runningback position the past two year in Austin has been manned by one of the all-time greats. Tre’s 552 was the lowest total for a leading rusher in Mack’s time in Austin and it wasn’t like there wasn’t a chance for someone to make the running back postion their’s

by davey o'brien on Jul 20, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Their stats: 513 rushes - 2066 yards

If one person had done that, it would be impressive.

 In ‘98 Ricky had 2,200+ while the Horns only totaled 2,400+. That’s 95% of the running offense…you might figure the defense knew Ricky was coming. So the rushing total isn’t bad, although the 4.03 average carry is in the lower echelon of the Mack Brown Era.

wrt Whaley, think Winfred Tubbs.

Whaley should get a chance to show but we don’t have room for long auditions this season. We’ll need things to get set before visiting the hostile crowd at Tech. It’s a great stage if you’re ready but a sonofabitch if you’re not.

by whills on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point was both years were/are considered deep years for RB's

at the time.

Brown could very well end up like McGee (McGee sure played better competition). Green could be similar to Goodson in production and durability. Moody was considered a flake for the way he switch commitments. Brandon Williams? It is easy to look back on those 3 now and say they weren’t that great, but at the time, Moody, Goodson and McGee were every bit the can’t miss prospects of Brown, Williams and Green.

by Horncasting on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Moral of the story:

There’s no such thing as a can’t-miss prospect.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I remember that year

Nobody was talking about McGee then like they are Brown now. Much less Goodson or Moody. McGee was definitely not thought of as in the same vein as the other two (I’m talking about UT fans here, not Rivals, etc.). Brown is arguably the top RB in the country and a nearly consensus top 10 prospect in a deeper RB year than that one..

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 19, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That doesn't change the moral of the story, though

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll just say you remember it differently

All 3 were highly thought of. McGee committed first so then Moody and Goodson became more coveted. Moody committed so then of course many fans coveted Goodson more. Later in the process most UT fans I talked with were happy to have McGee and glad to be rid of the problem child in Goodson and flake in Moody.

I can tell you that folks from Tyler, Longview, and much of the rest of East Texas thought McGee was going to be the next UT stud running back. Even as recently as 2 years ago Peter Bean wrote an article saying he was poised for a breakout soph. season once Jamaal left.

But all of that really isn’t the point I’ve been trying to make. A poster above said that McGee was only rated as highly as he was because of the relative down RB depth that year. My point is that 2006 was considered just as deep a year at RB as the current recruiting year.

by Horncasting on Jul 19, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand

Maybe it was more my opinion of McGee. I never thought he was talented at all from his tapes. Obviously the East Texas crew were incredibly biased.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 19, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adrian Peterson

Wasn’t a can’t miss? I’d say he was one of the very few sure things in the history of recruiting.

by KratosWasASooner on Jul 19, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

With his dimensions running style, I don't think he was a can't miss

Especially considering the poor blocking and receiving coming out of HS, although neither is uncommon for star HS backs. Heck, if the best weapon is the RB, the coach doesn’t have his RB spend much time working on his blocking.

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peterson

Could have went anywhere and taken carries from anyone. Benson’s carries would’ve been cut in half if he would’ve chosen Texas. Had he gone to USC, Bush would never have sniffed a heisman. Peterson stepped into college and instantly became arguably the best RB as a true frosh, then went to the NFL and was arguably the best RB as a rookie. Switzer once said Earl Campbell was the only football player he had ever known that could’ve went from high school to the NFL and instantly been a star, and I, among plenty of others, believe the same is true for Peterson.

by KratosWasASooner on Jul 19, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way, I do think Peterson was about as close to can't miss as possible

But there were still questions. I think he was certainly closer to can’t miss than what (little) I’ve seen of Malcolm Brown in videos, but of course I haven’t been to a single high school game for either.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Petereson was regarded

as the best back to come out of East Texas in a very long time which is why so many in Texas were pissed when he picked OU.

by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Try Adrian Peterson -HS & Freshman Year on

youtube. Obviously no signs of acceleration, speed, cutting ability, vision, or ability to break tackles.

by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it your contention that Malcolm Brown = Adrian Peterson?

And if not, what’s your point?

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That you made a point about Peterson's transition to the next

level when the only question was the shoulder he hurt in the play-off game. Anyone who saw the kid didn’t give a rats ass about his ability to block. I guess the same could be said for Ced. Best reply is Bum’s response when the Oilers’ running back coach complained about Earls inability to run backward through a cone drill. Bum simply said “We didn’t draft him to run backward.”. Ced nor AP nor Malcolm were or are being recruited to block and to say that was a question about any of their ability to play in college is ridiculous.

by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's interesting, because an inability to block is what keeps many freshmen off the field

Anyway, I’ll ask again: So is it your contention that Malcolm Brown = Adrian Peterson? Because even highlight reels don’t make him look in the same league as Peterson, to be honest.

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't seem to bother Peterson

Bush, McKnight, Clarrett, Dickerson, or Davis to name a few. It did stop Ced against Texas and that was a damn good job in blitz pick-up of Robin diving low on Roy Williams.

i don’t think Malcolm is Peterson because I don’t think he has the elite speed that Peterson has which makes him an elite back in that class with Dickerson.

Malcolm does remind me of Ricky in that he is much more explosive than he appears, does a very good job of making subtle moves, and is a physical runner.

What I will also see at this time is Texas has one back who has shown he can stay healthy and run effectively and that is Trey Newton.

McGee is gone, Foz got used up at Pearland, Cody has to show he can keep his weight down. Shead is an unknown, and I have concerns about Whaley. Based upon that picture Brown is the one back in the state at this time who has shown the potential to be 25+ carry guy.

by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure what you mean by "elite"

But AD certainly does not have “elite” speed. Nor does he have great speed. He has good speed for his size, but that is definitely not one of his strong suits. Obv. just picking nits. I agree with most of what you are saying.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 20, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say his speed's pretty darn elite

Remember the false 40 times teams report, where they basically say that almost any skill-position player runs a 4.4? Peterson’s one of those rare guys who actually runs the 4.4, whereas the majority of those team- and self-reported 4.4s actually end up between 4.5 and 4.6. Peterson actually ran sub-4.4 (4.38, to be exact) in electronic timing at the NFL combine.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 20, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Peterson actually claimed to be faster

than any of the then current Dallas Cowboys…and no one really disagreed with him [coming out of HS].

Such physicality and speed, plus his relative polish as a RB, made him exceptional.

by whills on Jul 20, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't make sense

The listings have his 40 as better than Ramonce by a .1 of a second. No way he is faster than Ramonce. Or that Antonio Pittman and Kenny Irons are either…

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 20, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did Ramonce ever run at the combine

If so, he might’ve been out of shape, or he could just be one of those guys who are quick rather than fast. But electronic timing is the closest thing in football to being accurate gauge of the 40yd. dash. Peterson’s time is legit, and he’s definitely a fast guy, especially when moving straight ahead. Having watched both the guys play, I don’t think there’s video evidence that indicates that Peterson has lesser straightline speed than Taylor.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 20, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

4.38 at the combine is

elite speed. The only other two backs in the league with the same type of acceleration are Charles and Johnson.

AP is deceiving because of his height, but the guy doesn’t get caught often in the open field.

I don’t think Ramonce ever ran at the combine and you would have to think that electronic bracelet on his ankle added a tenth.

by davey o'brien on Jul 20, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I award you five points

For giving me a healthy laugh. Much needed.

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 20, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not true at all

McGee was the #3-overall RB in the country that year. If it were relative to the year, he would’ve been a five-star guy, because in the 2011 class there are about ten five-star RBs.

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 18, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which means exactly what

when you compare them on a year by year basis. Ced showed incredible vision and wasn’t at top speed quick, Charles had unbelievable speed, Peterson has size and speed. McGee was over rated in a year that wasn’t very good in the state of Texas.

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

McGee was rated highly when he came out of high school

Does anybody who has seen him play actually think he has shown a modicum of a reason why? I sure haven’t so I’m still clueless as to how the guy was so overrated in high school. He’s slow (don’t give me the Rivals stats, he’ll run a 4.7 if he ever runs for the draft), has no vision, has no shake and bake, and can’t break any tackles. He’s not a great receiver or a great blocker.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 18, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Often times productivity

at the high school level is confused with the ability to do the same at the next level. I agree that McGee just hasn’t shown the quickness or great vision. Kid runs hard, but I don’t know if it is injuries or lack of confidence. Compare that with Cody who in the same scheme has flashed some vision and the ability to hit a hole when his weight is under control.

I agree that there are no guarantees with Malcolm Brown, but let’s not kid ourselves. Texas’ recruiting at the running back position since Charles has bordered on bizarre. There really isn’t a distinctive pattern as McGee, Whittaker, Johnson, Hills, Newton. Whaley, and Shead are not exactly all cut from the same cloth.

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, hindsight is 20/20

We’ll see how things go with Brown, but he could be every bit the disappointment that McGee has been. That’s all I’m saying: highly-rated recruits don’t always turn out, and it’s not exactly a sure thing that Brown’s going to out-perform McGee, Whitaker, Newton, etc.

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 18, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

This completely conflicts with the general opinion of McGee, Johnson, and Whitaker coming out of high school

Hindsight’s 20/20.

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 18, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The History and Success........

of Texas Running back’s over the last 15 yrs in the NFL compaired to Bama’s History and Success is night and Day!!!! And lets be honest here, College Football is nothing but Training Camp for the NFL! Texas has put Priest Holmes, Ricky Williams, Cedric Benson, Jahmaal Charles, Selvin Young, Ahmard Hall, and Chris Ogbonnaya in the NFL in the last 15yrs, combined they have 2 Rushing Titles, 4 Pro bowl App’s, 1 Pro Bowl MVP, 1 Offensive Player of the Year, 2 super Bowl app’s, 1 Super Bowl Ring and 11-1,000+ yrd season’s. Bama’s RB’s in the NFL are not even close. Bama has had 1 season in the last 10 with a very good running game and it seems like everyone thinks they are some sort of RB factory, they only avg. 1 yrd per carry more thanTexas! Historically Texas has had a Very good running game, the last few years have been out of Character for the Longhorns and I believe those years of mediocre rushing attacks are gone. Brown will sign with Texas because of Mack’s track record of sending RB’s to the NFL. Browns Parent’s get the best of both world’s at Texas, Mom is close to her baby boy and Pop get’s his Son to the NFL. It’s a Done Deal!

by Hookemlc on Jul 18, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that, you think that

Let’s just hope Brown feels the same way

by NYHorn on Jul 18, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a little bit different

When the kid was six when Ricky was playing here and 12 when Cedric left…it’s all about recentness with high school recruits.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 18, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

a pro bowl mvp?

If this is a major part of our pitch, we’re in trouble.

by andmyster on Jul 18, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

You better just hope he doesn’t read BON

by NYHorn on Jul 18, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

His Dad remembers Ricky and Ced......

 Dad also knows how many back’s Texas has put in the NFL over the last 15yrs.

by Hookemlc on Jul 18, 2010 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Every starting RB at Texas since Benson

has played in the NFL. And by that I mean, started a game, not been the man all year. That streak may get broken this year with McGee, but I would bet on Fozzy and Cody earning NFL paychecks.

by llogg on Jul 18, 2010 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Foz

has a great future ahead, but it won’t be on the future on the football field. As far as Cody, he is quickly becoming the Texas version of Javorskie Lane.

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2010 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Lane

Is a better player than Johnson. If you mean he’s not as fat, I agree.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 18, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

C. Johnson should also be better with the new scheme.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 19, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope he does but he has got to get his

butt in shape. Loved the vision Cody has shown and as a freshman he did show a nice burst up into the hole. Kid can be very effective and Texas doesn’t have to have a back who can go 80 yards each time to be effective in the running game. They need Cody and the slim side of 250 instead of 260 which he was closer to last year.

by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lane his first two years in B-CS was a force on the

 ground. Funny how the perception of Lane is a bit skewed and Texas’ fans are a bit lenient to the fact that Johnson had a chance to be the man this year at the running back position, but did not come into camp in shape.

Here are the numbers for the two big backs in their first two years in college.

Javorskie Lane 285 carries – 1,320 yards – 28 td’s – 4.63 ypc

Cody Johnson 163 carries – 693 yards – 24 td’s – 4.25 ypc

Mack wants a big back who can run between the tackles which could be Cody if he would get himself into shape. Sound familiar?

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2010 8:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I still believe that if Texas had landed Lane

They’d have won the Big 12 and played tOSU for a rematch in the MNC game in 2006. Not having a real short yardage back made the QB sneak against KSU a necessity.

by Horncasting on Jul 18, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Lane himself was the second coming of Jamar Toombs

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 18, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lane was a niftier runner

Than Toombs. Had much better feet. Also had better hands although Fran never threw to him. Toombs was actually lighter than Lane. Both blew it

by miketag on Jul 18, 2010 10:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Toombs was up close to 300lbs.

Are you sure Lane was heavier?

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Lane was probably about 300. Dude was a tub of lard.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 19, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He and Toombs both

Toombs was just a huge bowling ball, but he weighed that much as a freshman IIRC. Lane didn’t get up that high until the second half of his playing career.

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heaviest Toobs ever was

was 285 for the NFL combine. Lane played at or above 300 his junior year on. Saw Toombs at the Dallas A&M Coaches Night last year. He was 235-240 of ripped muscle. I was like, “where was that when you declared for the draft?”

If Lane could have stayed under 260 I think he would have been another Jerome Bettis. One of the most gifted athletes I have seen. Therefore also one of the biggest wastes of talent I have ever seen.

by miketag on Jul 19, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I seriously doubt that Toombs GAINED weight for the combine

He looked much floppier, like Chris Farley trying out for the Chippendales, while he was actually playing.

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

How hilarious would it be..

if Traylon Shead had a 1,500 yd. season this year?

"you can destroy a man, but you cannot defeat him." - e.h.

by drankthewine on Jul 19, 2010 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

If by "hilarious" you mean "awesome"

Then hilarious as hell. I don’t care if it’s Whaley, Shead, Newton, or someone else, but I really just hope UT establishes a credible threat on the ground soon. I’m not one of those guys who demands that the job (in this case, scoring more points than the other team every game this season) gets done a certain way, but I really don’t think the job’s going to get done this year without a stronger running game, considering how much weaker the passing game’s likely to be.

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by burntorangehorn on Jul 19, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still do not understand

why most are so down on Whaley. He can run by you or through you. He is not going to make anyone miss but he does not really need to with his size and speed. At worst should be a 10 carry per game type IMO.

by miketag on Jul 19, 2010 5:27 PM CDT reply actions  

What speed?

He’s not fast or quick at all. He’s not going to be running by anybody on a decent defense.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

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