Has Enough Time Passed? The 2001 Big XII Championship
Since the offseason is always a great time to look back on past games, as whills did here, I was thinking about past games last night, good and bad. One game leaped into my memory: The 2001 Big 12 title game, almost universally considered the most painful loss in the Mack Brown era. I realized that I have never rewatched the game or even watched highlights of it after the fact. Of course, I never really wanted to do that, for fear that I might break something after doing so, but fans have to take in the bad with the good. I also wondered: Has nearly nine years been enough time? Is the game as bad as I remember? Are the images burned in my mind exaggerated by my anger and grief, or they completely accurate portrayals of what went down that game? To find that out, I struck up some courage and slowly typed out the words "2001 Big 12 championship" into the Youtube search bar. A few seconds later, a highlight video popped up, so I took a deep breath, clicked on it, and let the horrific memories come back to life for me. I'm not exactly sure why I do this to myself, but since I was only in high school during the game (which really didn't make it any better), perhaps I felt I should re-experience it as a graduate of the University of Texas.
Here's the video. Click at your own risk.
2001 Big 12 Football Championship Game (via Big12Conference)
Okay, after thinking about some happy times, let's move on.
A few thoughts about the game:
1. I watched it with surprising calm and took it in as history; it happened, it sucked, but in many respects, enough time has passed for me to at least watch the thing without turning away in disgust.
2. That being said, I have to say that, yes, it's just as bad as I remember. The game started so well and went sour so quickly, it was hard to wrap your mind around it. The defense got ran over, Chris Simms was awful, and a talented Texas team lost to a Buff team that they had walloped earlier in the season.
3. As calm as I was, I could feel some old emotions return as I watched these highlights. I grimaced and winced at every Chris Simms mistake, and I still shook my head in disbelief on his last interception, where Colorado returned it for a TD while Benson and Mike Williams knocked each other out of the game. I even went back and watched that part again just to torture myself. That is still one of the most absurd plays I have ever seen. And when Geigger hit the punter, I put my head in my hands and let out a very bitter, sarcastic laugh. Oh boy. I was ready to watch these highlights, but nonetheless, they reminded me that however crappy the MNC loss was and however bad the 2008 Texas Tech loss was, this one still takes the cake.
4. I have no doubt that there have been quarterbacks who played worse halves of football, but I am struggling to think of Texas one during Mack Brown's time. I've seen Colt and VY have bad games, but nothing like that. That was the mother of all meltdowns. I still feel much sympathy for Simms and his horrible treatment at the hands of many students, but goodness me, that was as bad as you could possibly script a half.
5. When Major came in and threw that 79 yard bomb to B.J. Johnson, I let out a small smile and slight pump of my fist, especially watching Applewhite defiantly gesture to the Colorado sideline that this game wasn't over. Because of guys like Major, Colt, and VY, I believe in that mysterious "it" factor for quarterbacks. Those guys had that fire. From a talent standpoint, Simms was far superior to Major, but Applewhite is the type of guy that you would follow eagerly into battle. It is unfortunate that he was unable to complete the comeback and add to his legend, but if he did, that might have created the most heated and divisive QB controversy in the history of college football going into the NC game against Miami.
Anyway, allow me to summarize the game in this manner:
-Texas takes early lead and looks to start the rout. ELATION
-Chris Simms meltdown begins. CONFUSION, ANGER, PANIC
-Cedric Benson and Mike Williams knock each other out of the game on a Simms interception. DISBELIEF, FURY
-Major Applewhite throws that bomb. ELATION, RELIEF
-Colorado continues to pound at the Texas defense. DESPERATION, ANXIETY
-Colorado stupidly goes for a fake punt that gets returned for a TD. ELATION, CONFIDENCE
-Colorado slowly crawls up the field. FRUSTRATION
-Colorado is forced to punt. CONFIDENCE
-Geigger hits the punter. FURY, PANIC, DISBELIEF... everything
-Colorado hits FG to put the game out of reach. DISBELIEF, SADNESS, ANGER
-Major leads a desperate Texas drive but Texas does not recover the onside kick. DEPRESSION
For those new fans who have never seen the game, if you are brave enough, try to find the whole thing and watch it. It will probably still bring out some disbelieving anger, and will certainly be a "ruthless memory" for a long, long time. Some fans will find recent losses worse than this one, but for me personally, this one is Mack's crappiest loss. Now, if time ran out on Texas in this past Big 12 title game, that one would probably win out, but luckily the right call was made and Hunter Lawrence bailed us out. Come to think of it, do we really want Big 12 title games to continue in Dallas?
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I went with 2008 Tech game
a. because we were the better team and should have won
b. because we had the chances at the end of the game to win and
c. although the bama MNC loss is tough and I would pick that as a win if I could pick a re-do, you just can’t dwell on Colt getting that fluke injury and we still played tough.
Lots of thoughts for me.
I went with Tech too. Cost us a MNC matchup and also colt a Heisman. Plus it was the last seconds that killed us.
Concerning that CU game… I’m still livid about the roughing the kicker call. It may have been the letter of the law correct call, but certainly not the spirit of the law correct call. Geiggar was a less than a tenth of a second late. He had no mal-intent of hurting the kicker. That should’ve been a 5 yard running into the kicker and we win the game.
To me, the refs shouldn’t make those kinds of calls. Its akin to an NBA final game where TECHNICALLY it might be a foul but its not blatant so the last second shot foul is not called.
Let the players decide the games, not the refs. Still irks me to this day.
I’d put the 99 A&M game in my top 5 most disappointing losses. If not for Major being sick and Ramada-gate, we win that game going away. We were #7 at the time. We never recovered from that loss… we lost the next 2 games and were lousy from then on.
We win that game and its like a top 5 matchup against Nebraska in the CCG and who knows if we win their maybe an MNC shot.
Unfortunately...
It may have been the letter of the law correct call, but certainly not the spirit of the law correct call.
my recollection of the call was that it was called consistently with how contact with the punter had been called over recent years. Common sense suggests that it should have been mere five yards, but consistency demanded otherwise. As a result, I’ve never blamed that official for making that call.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 22, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Regarding the roughing the kicker call
For me it’s not the call, it’s why did we even take the chance on the block in the first place…down by six with a couple of minutes left, we had time to get the ball down the field, especially with Major at the helm. A roughing the kicker penalty was the one thing we couldn’t afford in that situation and yet, Geiggar still went for it. It just seemed like a really unnecessary mistake.
I’d be curious to know if Mack called for the punt return unit on that play to set up the return or if told them to go for the block.
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Not sure it wasn't the right call
After the clusterf*** that was the Buff’s previous punt, I think it was a good idea to send some pressure, as there was a greater likelihood the punter would have been rattled and might have done something stupid.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 22, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I had no question in my mind that we were going to score if we got the ball back.
I wish we would have set up a return…
by Texas Wahoo on Jul 23, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Clearly it wasn't the right call.
Hindsight is 20/20, but the results speak for themselves. If the one thing you absolutely cannot have is a roughing-the-kicker penalty, and you send the guys after the kicker, then you made the wrong call. Period. End of story.
Let the “Yeah, buts” begin now….
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I know the stakes were slighly less...
…but the 1999 NCSU game is the simplest rebuttal to that I can think of. Would NCSU’s strategy all of a sudden have been awful if that last punt resulted in a penalty rather than a block? Because a penalty in that situation would have killed NCSU’s chances as well.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 23, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Risk/Reward
As 54b noted, we had the time, not to mention the momentum. The risk wasn’t worth it. Though if I had to wager I’d guess Philly should of pulled out. Player error albeit forgivable.
For me-the greatest UT game I ever attended. Sat in the CU section with 3 Horn buddies jr year. Still hate CU fans. Our trip to Boulder two years ago did nothing but solidify my opinion on those Ski-effers.
Beautiful fucking campus/stadium though.
by DaGoose on Jul 23, 2010 7:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't blame that
game on Chris, but I truly believe if he gets that ball out in front of Bo where it should have been Scaife is up the seam to possibly score, Texas is up 14-0, and CU gets their ass pounded.
The other play people forget is Jammer getting beat on the third and 30+ to start the 3rd quarter that i believe led to CU points.
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…yes the defense got pounded much of the game…BUT
I totally blame Simms and the coaching staff equal parts. Simms is not a winner, fighter, or anything else that is valued in QBs. He has a rocket of an arm. That sentence was purposefully short, and had no other modifiers because he had nothing else. Starting him all season was a joke. Sure UT won a ton of games with him as the starter, but most were in spite of him, not because of him.
I agree - Simms/Brown killed our chances
While Brown has much improved his “game” since then, Simms continues to prove to me that he never was going to win and never will. Sure, put him in a no-pressure situation and he’d pick the defense apart with his arm. As soon as he had to think quickly, however, you might as well just hand the defender the ball. Has he done ANYTHING in the NFL? No.
This game was a microcosm of the entire Simms/Applewhite tenure. Brown’s acquiescence to daddy Simms in my mind destroyed any hope of greatness in that era. Applewhite always proved to be a great field marshal despite being a lesser athlete, and he got it done. Perfect? No. But he was the reason we won many games. Simms ruined Texas Football for a while. I wish he has stayed at Tennessee.
He lost a spleen in the NFL
That bit of comedy may be too much, but the defense even made him give that up.
I’ve thought about the staying with Tennessee scenario many times, and dreamt about what it may have been like. You’re right about the Maj not being perfect…hell even in that Holiday Bowl after the Big XII loss he had an awesome game, but had 3 or 4 interception (granted not all his fault). I particularly like the broadcast of this game because my best friend and I are shown several times holding a Texas flag just behind the band.
One last thing that always irked me about Simms (I swear I’m not trying to hijack this into a Simms bashing thread, and I’ll stop after this), he had such a gun, but would never put touch on the ball. The intermediate throws require touch over LBs, and in front of DBs. You can’t throw the ball through Rocky Calmus. He will intercept it, even with a massive cast on one arm.
To be dair
Most of the core of that team had no heart. And I include Roy, Sloan, Benson, etc. Oline was stout.
by DaGoose on Jul 23, 2010 8:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
To be fair
Most of the core of that team had no heart. And I include Roy, Sloan, Benson, etc. Oline was stout.
by DaGoose on Jul 23, 2010 8:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Simms was starting to hit his stride in Tampa until he ruptured his spleen
And he was out 12-18 months after that.
Bama. Colt looked more like a kid than the other QBs I’ve watched come into the program. Over the years it was like watching him grow up. To see his career end the way it did was horrible.
by UT_BKC on Jul 22, 2010 8:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Painful
why Mack didn’t pull Simms after his 3rd turnover…I will never understand…I always understood the reason to play SImms over Major but he should have pulled the cord after the fumble….and we likely win that game
Tech
I voted for Tech mainly because I was there for the game and aftermath that soon followed basically had to be escorted out of the stadium just because i was wearing burnt orange. Ever since I lost respect for tech fans. I made sure to not miss the Tech game this last year and loved every minute of walking out of DKR and watching Texas fans be classy.
CU and not even close
We beat that same team 41-7 earlier in the season. Just like 2005, where we pounded CU earlier by almost the same score – 42-17. I was at both the 2001 and 2005 regular season games in Austin and will tell you the CU played us harder in the 2005 game.
I am still shocked that we lost that 2001 Big 12 championship game and the only good that came out of it was Mack preparing the 2005 team for CU and boy were they prepared.
Ouch ouch ouch.
Not only am I not over this ones, I’ve invented some new cuss words for Simms. I used all I had that day for a long, long time. We had beat those SOBs 41-7 during the regular season…there was just no rhyme or reason to this loss…except for Simms’ meltdown.
I was there in 2001.....it was sickening
However, the fact that Miami pounded Nebraska in the title game made me feel like anyone who faced the U would’ve been destroyed. I went with the Tech game- it led to such a horrible chain of events- not making the conference title game, which led to McCoy losing the Heisman, and then OU getting the shot at ending the SEC winning streak. Ughh, who do I cheer for in that debacle?? Had to pull for Florida.
Colorado and Tech take the cake
Phillip Giegger and Blake Gideon will always haunt my dreams
My recollection back to 2001 fails me
So I can’t really speak to the Geiggar interference call (can’t bring myself to watch the highlights), but Gideon gets a hefty amount of unfair criticism. He was a true freshman in an environment that to say was hostile would be like saying WWII was a conflict. The entire team sucked for a large portion of that game. Blaming Gideon is just not fair. I guess you could also say that it was Earl’s fault for not getting to Crabtree in time to intercept the pass either.
/rant
Sorry, just tired of ppl shitting on Blake. It was one play in 100 that could have changed the outcome of that game.
Regardless,
that’s a play Giddeon has to make. You can’t chalk that one up to the crowd or environment. Teams aren’t going to bring their A-Game every time and if you get that kind of op to seal the deal, you have to convert. He didn’t, shit happens.
But I do agree with you wholeheartedly that Giddeon doesn’t deserve any more credit for losing that game than anyone else on the team. It was a team loss all the way around. End of story.
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I don't think near enough blame gets put on Mack & Greg for this one.
I still remember yelling at the TV, “Why the f*ck are we in such a hurry!?” on our last scoring drive. You just knew that if we scored and there was any time left at all, TT was going to march the ball right down the field and score on us; they’d been doing it all night.
All we had to do was take a little more time between plays, a little more time in the huddle, and we would’ve won that game.
If the world was a school, we'd be homecoming king...
that...
or not handing the ball off six yards deep in our own endzone.
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 23, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
That was one of the worst executions of clock management I’ve ever seen. Cost us the game far more than the Crabtree touchdown with 1 second to go.
We needed 6, not 3
It would be a fairer criticism if all we needed was a field goal to win the game. Milking every second out of the clock is legit at that point. When you need a TD, you get it when you can, since no play, even a one-foot sneak, is a lock for a TD. If you have to leave time on the clock, so be it. The D has to stand up at that point.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 24, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
True in theory
But if I remember correctly, we were 1st or 2nd and goal with 2 timeouts in our pockets. We snapped the ball with more than 20 seconds on the play clock when we scored. There was no danger in letting the play clock run inside of 3-5 seconds. If he didn’t score on that one, you still let the clock run and use your timeouts. It would have been nearly impossible for us to have run out of time even if it took all 4 downs.
If we had that many time outs left . . .
. . . then I’m much more with you than I was before.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 24, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Colorado, 2001.
Aaron Killion’s family lived across the street from me at the time. Seemed like a nice kid ‘til he picked off what should have been our second touchdown. I couldn’t even go out the front door until they took down that damned Buffalo flag.
rktlaw
I picked 2010
only for the fact that Miami was waiting in 2001 and we didn’t have Vince for that one.
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I was there
I had secured my tickets before the OSU beat OU and Colo beat Neb. I was at my girlfriend’s (now wife) house watching OSU upset Oklahoma and I freaked knowing it was going to be Texas-Colo. Then, we get to the game and everyone is watching the SEC Championship game on the TVs in the suites above us. Texas could’ve been sitting at #2 and on to play Miami.
It was the most frustrating game I’ve ever seen. Chris Simms melted down at an ungodly speed. It was just too big of a hole to get out of. But that Miami team was unbelievable – the one team I think could rival the 2005 Hook ’ems. Now that would be a great game – ’01 ’Canes vs. the ’05 ’Horns!
"Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try."
- Yoda
Easily 2001
I was but a mere sophomore at UT watching the game in my room in Moore Hall when Chris Simms turned in the worst big game performance of any UT QB in my lifetime and Major Applewhite turned in a Hollywood worthy comeback performance that fell just short. Those of you not on campus at the time, the heat between Simms backers and Applewhite backers was huge, at least in the groups and classes I was in at the time.
My cousin, a senior at UT, was a Simms backer and said that Simms would lead us to the promised land while Applewhite could ride the pine with his blown knees. I said that Major with no knees and one arm was a better QB than Simms because we could pick which WRs Simms was going to throw to from the stands and if we could do that, the defense sure could too. The 2001 Big XII Title Game proved which one of us was right and even to this day he still regrets backing Simms over Major.
To those saying Miami would have rolled us because of what they did to Nebraska: we had Major, a better balance on offense than Nebraska, and a better defensive matchup with the Canes. Everyone knew Nebraska was over matched. I am not saying we win, but it is not a blowout by any means, and we could have been celebrating a fifth title in 2005, not a fourth.
Too many to pick from
The ’08 Tech loss was terrible as many commentators have noted. Both the players and coaches made a lot mistakes throughout the game. If you are bothered by this loss, then you have to be bothered by the ’02 loss too.
The ’01 Big 12 title game remains all on the coaches. Chris Simms was not a big game quarterback. He never should have started the game. His start is similar to Rick McIvor starting the ’84 Cotton Bowl.
The ‘06 K-State game was horrible on the defensive side of the ball. OTOH, K-State seems to have Mack’s number.
The ‘06 K-State game leads to a different thought. Contrast Jevan Snead’s performance in that game to Garrett Gilbert’s performance in the ’Bama game. Had Snead gotten more reps in practice? Were the offensive coaches more confident in Snead? Was the offense more effective in 2006 than in 2009?
Other bad, frustrating losses from the Mack Brown era:
’99: NCSU, A&M and Arkansas (what the hell happen to Kwame Cavil)
’00: Stanford, Oregon
’01: OU (could have won that game), CU
’03: Arkansas
’04: OU (did Texas play to win that game, or play not to get beat too badly)
’06: A&M (Snead should have started)
In looking at theses losses, I am back to my question from Thursday. Can Texas play with a target on its back? If not, then the games at Tech, at Nebraska, and at K-State are going to be ugly.
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I went with the recent Rose Bowl loss and OU 2004......
I remember the OU loss way too well. That was a rough day.
But, not to be an ass…… Tech 02 and Tech 08 are some of my favorites, but that’s the other end of the spectrum.
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Applewhite played like a champion in 2001
But he also fumbled on a third down to lose 9 yards. That pushed us back and Mangum missed the ensuing field goal try. That’s the one thing about that game that I always remember.
The crowd in Texas Stadium was a sea of Burnt Orange. We were going to the Rose Bowl to face Miami. Colorado was clearly a lesser team, our 41-7 mudhole stomp earlier in the year had established that. But on that night, we were King Midas in reverse. Everything we touched turned to dust.
That was my senior year....
I took the LSAT in the morning and drove up to Dallas for the game. I thought if I blew the test and Texas won it would be a worthy trade off. I was near the top of the stadium and saw Florida go down by watching the tv’s in the luxury boxes. Everyone quickly realized a win would allow us the chance to play UM. It was amazing how the Stadium turned from jubilation to anger. When Major threw the TD pass I remember the whole section (we were right above where BJ made the catch) jumping up and hugging complete strangers. While the loss was hard, losing the UA game was twice as rough becuase of how Colt went down. The silver linning in the CU loss was Major starting the Holiday bowl, and having a great game.
Other - Just to be the contrarian
A&M-2006 is actually the worst loss in Mack Brown’s tenure at UT in my opinion.
Texas had no business losing that game and it preyed upon a lot of stereotypes about Mack:
- That his teams could only win when they had a superior edge in talent
- That his teams were coddled and didn’t play with heart
- That he wasn’t a coach’s coach, more of an administrator
IMO the other really painful losses like the 2001 Big XII C (Chris’ meltdown), 2010 Rose (Colt’s Arm), and even the game before the one above, K-State 06 (Colt’s neck), can be filed under the “shit happens” and “it just wasn’t meant to be” category.
But A&M-06 was a game that teams that know to get off the matt figure out a way to win. They knew Colt wasn’t 100%, they knew a trip to the Big XII C was on the line, and again, it was Senior Day against the Aggies. Yet, they came out complacent and dicked around all day. The nation’s #1 defense against the run gave up like 250 yards on the ground. It was pathetic.
As I walked out of Texas Stadium after the 2001 Big XII C I wanted to puke…leaving DKR after A&M-06, I was mad enough to punch a bunny rabbit.
Fortunately, Mack finally kicked ass and took names after the A&M loss the following year and whipped this team into shape before the 2007 Holiday Bowl and you saw what happened when an awesome force gets focused and plays with heart. As mad as I was after A&M 06, I couldn’t have been more proud than I was after OU 2008. That game absolutely shifted the Brown-Stoops paradigm and effectively rendered all those ridiculous stereotypes above moot.
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Bunnies
Was also at A&M-06, and yes, bunnies. Puke was part of it somewhere too, but there was more wtf-anger than stinging pain. We looked horrible the entire game, as opposed to a nail biter loss.
by Infield Elephant on Jul 23, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Even worse
After dinner my pops, an aggie, watched the game. The guy slep through the entire second half. I’d rather he be in my face fist-pumping-nope. Some snoring
by DaGoose on Jul 23, 2010 8:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Funny thing was
After we lost in 2006 to A&M, I actually laughed standing there at DKR in a sort of ironic way. I looked back at the last two weeks to see us drop from the inside track to the national championship to falling out of the BCS altogether. I was pretty disappointed, but I wasn’t nearly as mad as I got the next year when Texas lost in College Station. I think I view that game as an extension of the K-State game, even though it was two weeks later, because Colt was clearly not ready to play again.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 23, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Now imagine if UT doesn't win the championship the year before
Okay, yeah, don’t imagine that. Not worth it…especially on a Friday.
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Tech, plus broken stuff
I described it ealier, but yeah, I got a little upset. Lesson to others: there is a healthy anger to be had in crucial games. Then there’s breaking stuff. I regret the latter, but holy hell… The piano bench incident actually happened at Gideon’s dropped INT (undeserving). I walked out to the porch to watch through the window where my wife came to give me a pep-talk about how it’s not over til it’s over and that we can do this. My spirits lifted gradually until the moment what’s-his-face caught that ball from what’s-his-face and the capital of premature field-storming did its thing for the Under Armor commercial. Speaking of, the persistent salt on said wounds throughout the next few years on ESPN and such made it worse. Now I live in said capital of premature field-storming and look forward to the silence akin to pre-civil war battles here in the office.
by Infield Elephant on Jul 23, 2010 9:20 AM CDT reply actions
2001 is the worst for me (and I was at the Alabama game).
Tennessee had lost soon before and we knew that all we had to do was beat CU, a team we had slaughtered earlier in the year. Chris Simms had the worst game I could ever have imagined, including his interception resulting in a Cedric Benson / Mike Williams collision on the tackle. And then we came all the way back and forced a punt. They couldn’t stop us with Major at that point and I knew we were going to win. Then they sent the house and it was like watching a horror movie as the punter got hit… Ugh…
Don't all losses by the Longhorns football team hurt almost the same?
The 2001 CU loss cost us a National Title appearance with the uncertainty of which QB to start (in Mack’s mind at least). In the end, the legend of Major Applewhite was etched in stone.
The 2004 loss to OU cost us a chance @ a National Title game, but at the same time made Vince Young a star @ the Rose Bowl.
The 2006 KSU loss cost us a potential BCS game as clearly we had two games left to win & no reason to not think we couldn’t (I still remember Doug Flutie’s pregame analysis of the only way we could lose). A healthy Colt would have easily dispatched TAMU who barely beat us (I was at that game). Plus, going into 2007, Colt might have been on more of an upswing vs. struggling to get a better grip during his sophomore year.
The 2008 Texas Tech game cost us an appearance in the National Title game with so many what-if plays.
The 2010 Rose Bowl game cost us a National Title with Colt’s injury and the sudden thrust into the spotlight of Gilbert.
"I just want Texas to be number one in something other than executions, toll roads and property taxes." ~ Kinky Friedman
Fair point
Since one loss in college football typically ends the dream of a national title shot or at least severely hampers your chances, yeah, they hurt about the same in that way.
But it’s still predicated on expectations going in…I wasn’t nearly as upset with the loss to then #1 Ohio State in 2006 as I was to the Aggies that same year because I didn’t expect UT to beat OSU with a wet behind the ears QB playing in only his 2nd game. But I sure as hell expected to beat a .500 Aggie team at home, on Senior Day, even with a 75% Colt under center to go on to the Big XII C.
Colt’s career at Texas, as great as it was and as great as he represented UT, will always frustrate me to no end. I want to appreciate all his contributions to the program, but I can’t help but think that he probably should have left UT with 3 conference titles and at least one national title considering he should have had two shots it and maybe a 3rd in 2006. Damn.
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Never a Chris Simms Fan
I thought if we would of started Applewhite it would of been a completely different game. I always thought Chris started over Major because of who is dad was
The coaches made huge mistakes in the way theey handled Simms and Applewhite
but I don’t question their desire to win. To suggest that Mack Brown would go with the lesser QB only because his father is an NFL legend is ridiculous.
The Simms family didn’t get as much preferential treatment as the media and fans would have us believe. Did you know which father was allowed on the sidelines and which wasn’t? It might surprise you.
Chris Simms gets my vote for the most overrated college QB in the past ten years.
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Who in the hell overrates him?
If anything, he’s underrated because he was actually a pretty decent quarterback, all things considered, but is only remembered for the negative.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 23, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Not a lot of Chris Simms fans out there from what I’ve gathered. He got a lot of ridicule during the Major v Simms era, perhaps rightfully so, but considering the amount of resentment for him, he wasn’t that bad.
by Infield Elephant on Jul 23, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Two favorite Chris Simms myths
My two favorite Chris Simms myths that some Longhorns will claim are true:
1. Simms showed up on campus in a black stretch limo with bodyguards and an entourage.
2. Phil Simms used his “clout” to get Chris playing time early.
It's fun to do bad things. -Latarian Milton
by TexasGarcia37 on Jul 23, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
The highlight clip doesn’t show it, but the televised version sure did. I will never forget the cut shots to Chris Sims scowling on the sidelines after each touchdown that Major threw. How he appeared to get more upset the better the team, his team, was doing without him. No I will neither never forget or forgive him for those images. But then as Brooklynhorn mentioned some fans just plain don’t like Chris Simms; count me among that number.
by Eric Grandusky on Aug 6, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
To quote BZ below...
2001 Texas was the 2nd best team in the Mack Brown era
I agree. And who the hell was the quarterback of that team?
Look, I love Major as well, but there’s no guarantee that the Horns would have been that good all season long with a different quarterback, one recovering from a serious knee injury, all season long. Major was certainly capable of stinkers as well (see: 1999, KSU), and Simms was capable of incredible play (see: third quarter, 2000, A&M).
(And of course, there’s no guarantee that the Horns wouldn’t have won every game by at least 50 had Major been the QB all season. We’ll never know.)
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 24, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I commend your effort...
but there is a certain segment of the UT faithful that will never embrace Chris Simms. So I give you props for trying, but your arguments are going to fall on deaf ears.
It's fun to do bad things. -Latarian Milton
by TexasGarcia37 on Jul 24, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I certainly underatnd that...
…and I will be the first to admit that his career in Austin, while quite good in the grand scheme of things, didn’t quite live up to that which one would have expected from the top QB recruit in the country, and I will be the first to admit that I was yelling things at the TV during the middle of the meltdown that I’m not particularly proud of in retrospect. It’s just that the hyperbole Simms inspires, like “most overrated QB” as stated above, or, when news of his arrest broke recently, the OP included language along the lines of “here’s yet another reason for Horns fans to hate Simms,” seems way too disproportionate given what he actually did produce in Austin.
by Hopkins Horn on Jul 24, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I too
have noticed our fanbase’s memory lapses with regard to what Simms did well, and much more-so with regard to what Applewhite did poorly.
Applewhite played some terrible games. I mean TERRIBLE, In addition to K-State 99, his Big XII Championship performance against Nebraska (our only loss to them, incidentally) was abysmal, and he played very poorly in a lot of games we ended up winning due to Carl Reese’s defense, or Ricky playing out of his mind. I still find it amusing how revisionists have decided Simms was blown out every year against OU, when it was actually Major’s team in 2000, and Chance Mock in 2003. And I don’t remember hoards of people telling Major to go back to Louisiana after that performance in 2000.
Applewhite’s an offensive prodigy, and I’m on the bandwagon to have him as our next offensive coordinator, but he was a pretty average player in the grand scheme of things. He under-threw a ton of receivers, made a lot of bad decisions in the heat of the moment, and most irksome to me, he was responsible for something like 4 delay-of-game penalties each outing, because he had no sense of when to use his gift for offensive scheming and audibling, and when the playclock demands you simply use your instincts.
I’ve never understood his hero status, quite frankly. I have to assume it has something to do with charisma more than achievement. People just plain didn’t like Chris Simms, and their minds were not to be changed.
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 24, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer Major over Simms
But you’re right, people often exaggerate Major’s successes and forget his struggles. I think Simms was just in the middle of a “perfect storm” situation: He comes in as the #1 prospect and has a well-known dad who was an NFL quarterback, he replaces a fan-favorite, he loses to Oklahoma every time, and then he had THAT game. That makes a lot of people think he’s some spoiled brat who was handed the starting job because of his dad, screwing over a “true Texan” fighter like Applewhite. The game against CU definitely earns him a lot of blame, but there is no guarantee we beat the Oklahoma teams with Major and the other stuff isn’t Simms’ fault.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 24, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
After the way Major played against Nebraska, in Nebraska, as a freshman ...
… he had the state of Texas behind him forever. He had so many other great moments that always outshined his bad games. I had always felt sorry for Simms. There was no way he was going to come out of that QB controversy unscathed, short of a national title. I still think it’s the 1 thing that keeps me from thinking Coach Mack is 100% perfect. I don’t think he ever should have not started Major, other than injury. He could have easily alternated them both but had Major start every game. Major deserved atleast that respect & Simms had a senior year all to himself coming up. Simms’ dad had nothing to do with it, either. The coaches just thought they had a better chance to win with Simms. & I agree, Major probably wouldn’t have helped vs. ou either. The suckin’ sooners just bullied anyone Texas put out on the field to play offense those few years.
Simms just never had a “moment” to define him, other than a very solid passing career. That ‘01 CCG vs. CU, however, was definitely his low point. He played atrociously and got UT into a hole they couldn’t recover from. Mack should have pulled him much sooner, which isn’t Simms fault. But it’s certainly no reason to throw hate towards Simms. The kid just had a bad game, period. Everybody has ‘em. And I can’t blame Geiggar, either. I think the only person more surprised than me that he didn’t block that punt … was him. He was all over it & perfectly positioned. There’s no way that anyone can say they shouldn’t have gone for the block. That’s the way UT has played ever since Mack arrived – & there’s no way to guarantee that Major drives the team the length of the field to win it. The only thing I ever had against Simms were some negative comments he made about his UT experience after he graduated. But, again, he had a lot of criticism & hate thrown his way & I could see him being bitter because of it.
Bottom line, it was just a stinkin’ shame that UT lost that game. They were just better, plain & simple, & woulda had a good chance to beat da U for Mack’s 1st title.
I think Simms served as a foil for Major
We’ll never know what Major’s career might have been if Simms goes to Tennessee. But I wonder if, quite ironically, Major owes a lot of his hero status to Simms’ presence.
The Texas fanbase became so enraged and disappointed over Simms’ failures (and he was a cultural outsider, as well) that Major benefited from the basic human tendency of polarization. If Simms is the Anti-christ, than Major had to be Christ. So perhaps we’ve exaggerated Major’s accomplishments almost as a middle finger to Simms.
Honestly, neither was all that great. Vince, Colt, and [likely] Gilbert are all superior athletes.
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 25, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions
The answer to the title of this post is "no"
For me, it was the wild emotional swings that made 2001 worse than 2008 or 2009. The game was at night and with all the losses around college football that day, it only became apparent a few hours earlier that if Texas won, it was going to the NC game. Everyone went berserk, and then Simms happened, but then Applewhite happened, but then Geiggar happened, and when that final onside kick by Pino(?) isn’t recovered, it was the most tumultuous and traumatic experience of my football life.
Losing Colt was by far the most deflating feeling, but by the end of the game, you weren’t emotionally drained the same way you were in 2008 at Tech and in the ‘01 game. And while “the catch” is a very close second in my book, that game was in the middle of the season. While we had every reason to expect that we would win out from there, but who knows what actually happens. If we beat Colorado in 2001, we go to the national championship game, period. Yes, Miami was waiting, but let me tell you something: 2001 Texas was the 2nd best team in the Mack Brown era (with apologies to a gloriously overachieving 2008 team). Maybe we wouldn’t have won, but inverse to the 2008 scenario, you never know.
I wonder if I should have changed the poll question
From that relatively boring one that I used to “Did you strike up the nerve to watch the highlights?” Would have been more interesting.
by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 23, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember this game
I watched it in a bar on 6th St. with some friends up from Corpus Christi. They were both shocked at how bad the Longhorn fans bad-mouthed the team and Chris Simms specifically. I just did a lot of shrugging and drinking. I still consider that the lowest I’ve ever seen fellow Longhorn faithfull stoop.
It's fun to do bad things. -Latarian Milton
2001 Big 12 Championship Game
Even though I went into a major depression after the Tech 2008 loss (I couldn’t bring myself to look at a computer for four days that’s how bad it got), the 2001 Big 12 Championship Game will never be surpassed in my memory as worst loss in Mack Brown Era.
I was 12, sitting 13 rows up from the 20 yard line and I can’t explain the elation that raced through the crowd after the announcement that if we won, we’d be going to the MNC. Everything was going right. Then, like so many time before in Dallas, Chris Simms became a quivering mass of indecision with hands dipped in vaseline. It’s always been Major for me, even when Simms did well. It just didn’t seem fair to me that Major got the job taken away without a fight.
You can say that Simms had a dislocated finger all you want… but five minutes before he trotted off the field the chant started in my section, “MA-JOR, MA-JOR” and when he threw that bomb to BJ I really thought we were going to come back. Giegger hitting the kicker just devastated me. I’m not sure I’ll be able to watch it again.
by 4th generation fan on Jul 23, 2010 7:53 PM CDT reply actions
I was 13 for the 2001 Big 12 title
I was heart broken for a month…
I never saw Texas football the same, until 2004 Rose bowl .
Hook 'em
I voted 2006
I was a freshman at UT, and I was able to get over losing to OSU in the second game of the season. But to just see the team meltdown after Colt got injured killed me. I still can’t wrap my head around why our defense completely folded after our QB goes down. Just eats at me when I think of it.
Also, I think if Colt doesnt get hurt in 2006, we beat KSU, crush aggy the following week (or at least win) and we have a much better shot at winning the national title compared to 2001.
IMO, watching the 2001 Miami team, even if we are able to get past Colorado, there is no way Simms leads us past Miami. And I am as much of an Applewhite fan as anyone (favorite # to this day remains 11 solely because of Major) but I don’t think even he could have led us past the U that year.
I went with "Other"
The hammering OU delivered in 2000 was simply revolting. I was embarrassed, humiliated, nauseous, rendered impotent, etc. Even the 2003 nightmare offered at least a glimpse of VY’s future brilliance.
All the games mentioned hold a special place in the ninth level of Hell for Horns fans, but the 2000 RRS left me more disgusted and depressed than any of them. There isn’t any one player or incident you could pin in it on. It was a complete failure on the part of every individual associated with the program. I am ashamed to admit it, but on that day I thought we had hired the wrong guy.
Sickening.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
That loss to CU was very rough ... but the '06 loss to aggy was the roughest on me.
At DKR – Senior Day – still had a shot to pull out a great season. Losing to a completely inferior team with lesser talent, lesser offense, lesser defense, and a running QB, was so very brutal. 2 things grind at me from that game:
1 – There were SO MANY blatantly bad calls (atleast 5 specifically) that, after the game, I wrote ‘em all down just so I could feed my bitterness more accurately. Never done that before or since. It didn’t even include the 2 flagged Colt hits. I can’t remember the list well anymore but I do remember 2: A block-in-the-back called on Robison during a kick return when the replay showed a perfectly legal block. It cost the Horns a runback TD that would have probably won it. Also, the 1st-half Limas TD catch that was called back for offensive interference. Ridiculous. Everybody in the stands, everyone watching TV, and even every announcer condemned it as a terrible call.
2 – aggy drove the length of the field, when it mattered, almost entirely based on a slow QB running the option & not pitching, 4 yards at a time, killing 9 minutes of clock, against UT’s #1 nationally-ranked rushing defense – it was just painful to watch. Gutcheck time for the D, who had allowed only 6 pts. up to then, but they just couldn’t stop ’em.

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