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Garrett Gilbert: Not As Bad as the National Championship Made Him Seem

   With the disappointing loss against Alabama, second string quarterback of the 2009-2010 season, Garrett Gilbert looked very bad with a quarterback rating of 82.8, 66 attempts, 30 completions, four interceptions, and two touchdowns, but things are not always as they appear in the recordbooks.

   One issue that looked really bad was the four interceptions, but we have to remember that three of those interceptions were tipped and bobbled around by multiple Texas receivers. Gilbert had not been practicing with our starting wide receivers, therefore, he was not in synchronization with the speed of our very talented wide receivers. One can see how that might affect a quarterback's game and how it isn't his, or the wide receiver's fault. Gilbert was not expecting to have  to play in that game, but with the disappointing injury of Colt McCoy, he had no choice. As a true freshman, that would be extremely nerve racking. Another thing to take into consideration is that Gilbert threw multiple passes that were dropped.

   Taking all into consideration, Garrett Gilbert threw multiple passes that hit receivers's hands in the in-zone, had tipped passes go wrong, and had extreme pressure. As his high school stats show, is it possible that he could be the next Colt McCoy or Vince Young? Coming into the new season, could he become a legend? Only the upcoming season will tell.

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Who will be the best recent QB at Texas by 2013?
Garrett Gilbert
92 votes
Colt McCoy
47 votes
Vince Young
285 votes

424 votes | Poll has closed

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I'm voting GG out of blind fanboy-ism. The future is now!!!

I don’t think anyone will ever top VY, but I tell you what, if GG had actually led that final drive to shut the coffin on Bama… that would have topped the TX-USC game.

Epic.

by notsofst on Jul 23, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

true

Yeah. you’re right, but he will still be great.

by Dirk4141 on Jul 23, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

mechanics wise...

… none is better than Garrett, but mechanics are useless if you cant win…
VY, Colt both won and GG looks to join their ranks…
eventually, if success is measured as NFL success, I think GG will do the best (not saying the others wont do great also)
Ive been a fan of GG since HS, and I just ecstatic I finally get to see the kid direct some traffic

by vanterminatorhorn on Jul 26, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has anyone put together first half GG stats vs second half GG stats in the NC game?

I want to say in the second half he was like 20 of 30 with 2 TD’s and 2 INT’s which is a pretty good line given the situation.

First half was what, 1 of 10 with 2 INTs? Kind of wrecks your QB rating.

by notsofst on Jul 23, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm not saying he was bad in that game.

Considering the circumstances, Gilbert did great, but Alabama doesn’t seem to see it that way even tough Gilbert pulled us within three points of them.

by Dirk4141 on Jul 23, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, not quite.

(I did this all manually from ESPN’s play by play, so excuse me if it’s off)
1st half stats:
1/10 for -4yards, 2 INT

2nd half stats:
14/31 for 174yards, 2 TD, 2pt conv, 2 INT

117 yards of his total yardage came from Jordan Shipley, as well.

by TXinDC on Jul 23, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're preaching to the choir here...

…and welcome to BON. Word of advice, try not to hit the gate running with fanposts.

by vy til i die on Jul 23, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Haha. Sorry for so many posts.

Yeah dude. My bad. I will chill on the fanposts. I was just trying to fill the gap in the off-season of football.

by Dirk4141 on Jul 23, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're my hero.

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Jul 23, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

And remember not every opinion calls for a poll

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jul 24, 2010 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who would've guessed....

….that sitting her today Major Applewhite wouldn’t even be a thought in everyone’s mind about the best QB at Texas. Before you discount that comment think back to not only how well he did at Texas but also how in love with him people were. I realize the question/survey was regarding "recent QB’s. But I only bring this up to show how crazy lucky and spoiled we are to have had a run of VY, Colt, and now GG under center.

by BeeCaveHornFan on Jul 23, 2010 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that's one thing I can give GD credit for

They guy knows how to recruit, coach, and max out his QB’s.

by notsofst on Jul 23, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

What a silly poll to put up though

Did you think that was going to go any direction besides the best college football player of all time.

I know I am a homer, but I am never coming off that stance. The best part?…there is absolutely no way to refute it. Vince was a flowing river. If you stuck your arm out to trip him up, he just went around you, on both sides…oh Vince the mighty Euphrates pails in comparison and the Ganges is but a stream.

by thestos on Jul 23, 2010 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Thought Colt might compete with him.

Don’t get me wrong. I respect Vince Young more than anybody, but I wanted to hear what other people thought.

by Dirk4141 on Jul 23, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh... hahaha

Sorry about that. Hahaha. I didn’t even realize I made that mistake. I guess I wasn’t thinking. My bad.

by Dirk4141 on Jul 23, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

No biggie lol

Figured if you thought it was actually ‘in-zone’ what better time to be corrected than anonymously on the internet rather than at some table with friends

by Dirty Work on Jul 24, 2010 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm having a hard time with this poll

I don’t understand how McCoy, the winningest QB in ncaa history comes in third. GG has played 1game, VY had one great year. McCoy was one crabtree pass from playing for a MNC and a freak arm injury from possibly winning another one. VY is no doubt a super athletic QB, but winning a MNC shouldn’t be the only criteria. Was Hepuel a better QB than Bradford, was Leinhart better than Palmer was Jamiel Holloway better than Aikman. GG might end up as the best ever but to me McCoy is the best QB of the three.

by soonerspeak on Jul 23, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Huh?

VY had only one great year? He had a great year in 2004 as well. And his 2005 year wasn’t just “great,” it was legendary and arguably the single most spectacular season a QB had put together. Only QB to rush for 1,000 yards and pass for 3,000, and led the nation in passing efficiency up until the bowl season, because despite his awesome game against USC, he didn’t throw a TD pass and that hurt his rating.

I’m a West Texas guy so I love Colt to death, but if I had to pick a QB to win a game, it’s Vince Young. Easily. Colt was great, but VY was a once in a lifetime player. I agree that it is presumptuous at this point that GG will be better than Colt (although his ceiling is most likely higher), but there is zero controversy whatsoever putting VY at the top.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 23, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I made this mistake a while back, too, and someone corrected me
Only QB to rush for 1,000 yards and pass for 3,000

Dan LeFevour at Central Michigan did it in 2007

by Beergut on Jul 23, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am certain TES was talking about REAL schools playing agasint REAL talented players....

With games against the following:

Kent St.
Army
Ball St.
Akron
Northern Illinois
Easter Michigan
Western Michigan
N. Dakota St.
Toledo

It just does not really matter. Sure they played Purdue, Clemson, and Kansas…truly not one top 50 program in that mix.

"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." ~ Will Muschamp

"I always felt like, and I paid a price for it, that it didn't seem right for one guy to bring me down." ~ The Tyler Rose

"I'm Colt McCoy and I Am Second." ~ Colt McCoy

by Mulliganville on Jul 23, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still, it counts

VY was the first to ever pass/rush for 3000/1000. LeFevour came later.

In my book, VY wins this pretty handily, but Colt’s a strong consideration for almost any other team in the NCAA. Gilbert’s not even on the radar, and shouldn’t be, because he hasn’t accomplished a thing at the collegiate level yet. By 2013? Well, we could be looking at a high-performing legend, or we could be looking at a Simms: a very talented but underachieving kid everyone was wrong in anointing so quickly.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 23, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...the stats count...as does the lack of memory for Dan LeFevour accomplishing the same feat.

This would be an interesting question to ask fans…can you name the 2 QB’s to rush for 1000 yds and pass for 3000 yds in the same season. My guess is most would say Vince Young and Tim Tebow. Outside of the realm of the Schwab, my bet is many people will not even come close to remembering the lesser known entity. Had Tim Tebow done it, VY and TT would roll off the tongue without much hesitation.

"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." ~ Will Muschamp

"I always felt like, and I paid a price for it, that it didn't seem right for one guy to bring me down." ~ The Tyler Rose

"I'm Colt McCoy and I Am Second." ~ Colt McCoy

by Mulliganville on Jul 23, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been a fan of LeFevour's since his freshman year under Brian Kelly

But I guess not as many followed him all that time. He was really an amazing player in college.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 24, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

You found it necessary to come in here and point that out? When Vince did it, he was the first and only.

by Dirty Work on Jul 24, 2010 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, nothing wrong with pointing this out

It’s a good thing to correct. It doesn’t change my point. LeFevourer had a good college career, but nobody in their right mind would think he’s anywhere near VY.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 24, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus it just makes sense to point out the VY isn't the only 3000/1000

To quote Futurama, “Bureaucrat Conrad, you are technically correct, the best kind of correct.”

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 24, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing about Vince is, he was a level above, and it was obvious

You watched him play, and it was like he was playing with high schoolers. Suh looked the same way. Guys that just physically dominated the game and belonged in the pros.

It’s hard to compete with that.

by notsofst on Jul 23, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

1 championship in 4 years is the stat that matters

He was great for UT, but isn’t on the same level as VY. If VY came back in 2006 Texas would’ve easily won back to back national championships. 2005 was the toughest year I can remember recently in college football. So many great teams in 2005. 2006 would’ve been a breeze for Texas.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 24, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

were going to be comparing colt and Vince to garrett

Not garrett to colt and vince.

"you owe it to yourself to be the best in baseball and in life" Pete rose.
F the jets, bills, patriots and cryboys...and sooners, but go phins, longhorns, dodgers and stanford!

by dolger14 on Jul 24, 2010 1:56 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Easy...the kid has played ONE game. ONE.

Let’s see how he does against UCLA, OU, NU, and TT on the road. Honestly, I am expecting 2-3 losses on the season. Not implying they will be GG’s fault. But, we are replacing a good many pieces.

"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." ~ Will Muschamp

"I always felt like, and I paid a price for it, that it didn't seem right for one guy to bring me down." ~ The Tyler Rose

"I'm Colt McCoy and I Am Second." ~ Colt McCoy

by Mulliganville on Jul 24, 2010 4:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

true, i just think he will be the greatest pure passer in texas history.

And the only games I think we’ll have a chance at losing are against nebraska and ou.

"you owe it to yourself to be the best in baseball and in life" Pete rose.
F the jets, bills, patriots and cryboys...and sooners, but go phins, longhorns, dodgers and stanford!

by dolger14 on Jul 24, 2010 1:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What has he shown as far as being a better pure passer than Colt

He almost certainly has more NFL tools than Colt, but he absolutely has not shown anything to show that he’s a better college-level passer. Matthew Stafford was a so-so college quarterback, but had the tools to be a #1-overall pick. Colt was a legendary college quarterback, but dropped to the third round. IMO Colt’s pure passing skills in the offensive scheme he ran were simply unquestionable.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 24, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

memories

The first thing that comes to mind when I think of VY, Colt, and GG.

VY: VY crossing the goal line on 4th down to to seal the national championship in 2005.

Colt: The crazy injuries against A&M and Alabama.

GG: A great effort against Alabama, but his legacy is still pending.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 24, 2010 8:12 AM CDT reply actions  

That's the first memory that comes to your mind about Colt?

I think the first that comes to my mind is probably his pass to Cosby to win the Fiesta Bowl.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 24, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Musberger's work is done

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 24, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

first to come to mind with Colt

was that @Nebraska game in 06 I think and it was snowing like crazy and pulled out a W

by cpabis on Jul 26, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

The kick to win that game was Bailey's first kick too, if I remember right.

Ok, a few seconds left, the Horns can kick a field goal to win… wait a minute, what’s this? Mack Brown has sent out a brand new kicker! Who is this kid? He’s never kicked in a college game before!

by notsofst on Jul 26, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

it really is

I know he was great at UT, but that is the first thing that comes to my mind when I think of Colt.

by Longhorns84 on Jul 24, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The first thing that comes to my mind for Colt is ...

… 2008. It is still unbelievable to me how great he was all season. Accuracy, leadership, & stellar play – including the comeback vs. TTech. Add in the insane ability (during his whole career) to score TDs at the end of every 1st & 2nd half, & pull wins out of his arse, was the greatest I’ve seen since Staubach & Elway.

IMO, Colt & VY were so different as QBs that I can’t even legitimately compare them. VY = Runner, Colt = Passer. However, Colt led his team in rushing (‘08) and VY led the nation in passing (’05). Both should have won the Heisman. They were the talk of college football in their best year.

So far, there’s no way that Gilbert should even be in the same discussion as Layne, Street, VY, Colt, or even James Brown. But, as the poll asks, by 2013, I could easily see him being in the mix.

by robthecob on Jul 24, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

VY never led the nation in passing, did he?

If you meant pass efficiency rating, he was close, but I think Rudy Carpenter, who barely threw enough passes to qualify, beat him in the final rating.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 24, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected.

Thanks. I just saw that both Carpenter (ASU) & Brian Brohm (LOU) were ahead of VY in the final passer efficiency ratings. But I’m almost certain that I remember VY being the efficiency leader for a good stretch in mid-to-late season that year. Honestly didn’t realize I had stretched the truth a bit.

I just meant to say that, even though VY was the world’s greatest-ever tall scrambling QB, he became quite the accomplished passer & offensive tour-de-force in the end. And I do agree with you on remembering that Fiesta / Colt / Cosby TD winner. It’s been my wallpaper for over a year now.

by robthecob on Jul 25, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I didn't realize Brohm beat him out as well

I think VY was ahead of both leading into the BCS championship game, but I could be wrong. Either way, VY was a guy whose primary value in games was in his ground game, so it’s simply amazing he ended up nearly leading the nation in pass-efficiency rating. Furthermore, he had more passing yards and passing touchdowns than either Brohm or Carpenter, and obviously he destroyed both in the rushing department and quality of defenses faced.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 25, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was

As I said above, part of the reason he dropped was because despite his great game against USC, he didn’t have a TD pass. Also, since he threw 40 times, his yards per attempt wasn’t high.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 25, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vince was a beast.

I absolutely love Colt but every time I get into the thinking or debate that Colt was the best UT QB ever, I just watch a few youtube highlights of Vince in HS & College … and I come to my senses. He was a once-in-a-lifetime freak of nature and God’s gift to football fans.

by robthecob on Jul 25, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Colt, let me help you from under the bus.

I know this isn’t how UT fans feel, but it seems to me he’s not getting the respect he deserves in this pole. GG – 1 one game. Maybe he’ll be great, but 1 game.
VY was always the best athlete on the field and in 2005 he proved it and brought UT a MNC. Now if he would have stayed and ran the table again then, yeah he the best ever at UT. I thought I would compare stats and what the two, VY & McCoy, accomplished and when I did, wow! VY had a great year in 2005 and UT won the MNC. McCoy basically re-wrote the record books at QB for UT + some for all of college football. This poll should have been “who do you love for winning the MNC”.

by soonerspeak on Jul 24, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not sure we're throwing Colt under the bus

Like I said above, I love Colt, and I would put him ahead of Major Applewhite. VY was just something different. I think another thing that Colt deserves credit for is stepping in for a guy like Vince and putting together a spectacular four years for Texas. I don’t blame Colt for us not winning the MNC when he was here; he was the victim of some pretty bad luck during his tenure. I’m not judging just based on championships (or stats), but what I saw on the field. After four years, we knew Colt’s strengths and weaknesses and his limitations. We still have no idea what Vince’s ceiling was/is.

by TheElusiveShadow on Jul 24, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

VY was pretty much off the charts

I don’t have any problem if one wants to make an argument for VY over Colt or Colt over VY. Both arguments would have very strong merits, although I’d ultimately side with VY based on how I would mentally weight the points. But I think Gilbert shouldn’t even be in the discussion at this point. VY and Colt are 1 and 1a, Applewhite has a strong case for 2, and Gilbert’s not even top ten at this point. He’s shown flashes, but so did Simms. He has a very long road to travel before he should even be in a speculative conversation like this. Once he’s at 5000 passing yards and 50 touchdowns, we’ll probably have a better idea and can realistically look where he might be going.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 24, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also ridiculous: projecting him as an early NFL entry

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 24, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

Are you saying Colt is better than VY? Nuts!

by Longhorns84 on Jul 24, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

What it comes down to...

You either vote for the legacy (Colt), the possibilities (Grapes), or the magical moment (Vince) depending on the type of fan you are.

I love Colt. Always will. You can’t talk me out of any of the QBs of the last few years being a better passer than him. (To heck with Bradford’s 2008 Heisman. Poppycock, I say.)

I never felt more sick than I did when GG imploded. And I never felt more excited when he got us down three agaisnt Alabama. Had he won, he would have transcended to a level I’ve only experienced once before. A level Vince Young brought to me.

As a Texas fan, with Vince, I had the same kind of swagger and grin. From the victory in the Shoe (the only game between the two schools during their two year series that REALLY mattered), to OkState, to the build up to the Championship Game. And finally, to beating the unstoppable (Trojan) force in college football in the last play.

VY gave me something no other UT player ever has. GG could win back to back championships, and I’m still not sure I could pick him over Vince.

(Although it’s a dilemma I’d happily deal with.)

by cbBK on Jul 25, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

So who thinks Gilbert even approaches Colt's numbers?

I get the feeling that the offense is going to shift quite a bit, or at least attempt to shift. If there’s not a great deal of success, the shift could be aborted, Gilbert could go back out to the gun, and we could again see a Texas QB passing for 3500+yds. But I think if this offense sticks to having the QB under center, it’s unlikely we’ll see anything really approaching the two-year stretch Colt had from 2008-2009.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 25, 2010 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

GG will have to focus less on production and more on efficiency...

Oh wait…nevermind…GG is farked.

"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo

by run Bevo run on Jul 26, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

More important than both production and efficiency is effectiveness, IMO

Be effective. Can Gilbert be more effective? Yes. Will he? I don’t know, but it’s going to be difficult. I really doubt he’ll be more productive, but he has a much better chance of being more effective than more productive.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 26, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think you're exactly right

Mack & GD won’t necessarily protect him. They’ll want to see what he and the O can do, but they won’t put him in a position where he has to win the game on his own. With a good defense there’s no need to. The early schedule will allow him to get comfortable, then it’ll be game on starting with ttu.

by soonerspeak on Jul 26, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know, there is something you should note.

It’s about a certain relativity.

OU is the case study, see cfbstats 07, 08 and 09.

In ’06 OU had relatively equal rushing and passing, about 200 yards difference.

Then in 07 and 08 they went big strike, speeding up the offense with Bradford.
Strangely enough, runs exceeded passes by 170 and 72 respectively. But the passing yardage was a thousand yards more in 07 and over 2,100 in 08 or to be quite explicit:
07 574-2,670 and 270-401 for 3,615 yards
08 589-2,779 and 350-517 for 4,891 yards
09 485-1,750 and 300-519 for 3,760 yards

So, this idea of running and running and not passing for much ain’t exactly where we’re headed.
Or to put it another way, GG could bust 3,000 yards easily enough.

The idea that we’re going back to 68 or 77 or 83 is just silly. What you will see will be sophisticated in the manner of modern Texas offenses. We ain’t going backwards. We may not execute it particularly well at first, but we’ll get better. Much better.

That’s why 98 and the Applewhite offense is the reference point…just a reference point.

by whills on Jul 27, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see the 98 offense to be about the expectation

Fewer passes, much more run-oriented, at least long enough to try to make it work. Oklahoma sped up the game, but still ran a big spread. Are you expecting an under-center spread?

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

by burntorangehorn on Jul 27, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm expecting some flexibility.

It would be a smart move if the opponent has to change defenses or insert stronger, less pass defense-capable players to stop the rush.

Then you could spread the offense and force the defense wide again, stretching the field horizontal. Same way with going deep frequently off play action, you stretch the field deep. Playing the accordion. Keep them guessing.

One of OU’s problems was that they seem to get going too fast…not much of a governor on that engine. Texas’ offense has seemed to have a series of gears to fit more game situations. I would like to think they keep that element.

Being able to go long, to go after the big play, really puts an opponent against the wall. Oklahoma’s big ally is intimidation and the sheer speed at the beginning of a game. Texas has it’s own intimidation factor and is somewhat more deliberate.

Colt would cut you up into little pieces. OU would whack you up in chunks. Both put a lot of pressure on the defense and on the opponent’s offense to stay on the field and score. With a good defensive counter punch you can have them reeling. OU generally goes for the kill much quicker. Texas is more likely to overpower in a steady, methodical fashion, with outbursts ever so often.

This doesn’t mean we’ll do an offense like their offense, but we may have similar processes. Again the key to execution is the QB. You really must be ruthless and a bit of a gambler. In this particular respect I would see Major as taking an edge over GD. I’m curious as to how that might work out over a season.

Mack wants to score 40 a game, so we’re talking mode as much as method. Muschamp wants under 14 and would love under 10. This gives each some flexibility.

by whills on Jul 28, 2010 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

The post said:

“Gilbert had not been practicing with our starting wide receivers, therefore, he was not in synchronization with the speed of our very talented wide receivers.”

I don’t believe this is correct. From my view, when Gilbert played all year (it’s kind of fuzzy at this point, but it is my impression) it seemed that he must have been throwing the ball much harder than Colt as the ball would get through the receiver’s hands and to their bodies, resulting in many drops.

I think a combination of him getting the reps, so the receivers are used to the speed on his ball, and hopefully him getting a lighter touch on the short throws (or just always go deep, fine with me) will fix the problem for this year. That extra speed should give him more spots on the field he can fit the ball into and hopefully keep defenses like OU and Nebraska from being able to dismantle the entire offense by jumping the 5 yard curls.

by tdwalsh on Jul 28, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

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