Young Alums, Mack Brown, and a Decade of Dominance
I know I sound like a broken record, but spending seven years at Texas taught me a lot of life lessons. In fact, most of the important lessons in my life--in a variety of fields--occurred during my time on the Forty Acres. But, thankfully, I started following the Longhorns well before arriving on campus. I was only in middle school when Mack Brown became our head coach, but I fully remember the circumstances of his arrival. More specifically, I remember the losing seasons that both predated and ended John Mackovic's tenure on campus. Most specifically, I remember crying during 66-3.
To this extent, in reading this year's version of The Eyes of Texas, I especially enjoyed the articles that dissected the early portions of Mack Brown's tenure on campus. In looking back at older versions of our running game, QB developments, and the state of the overall program, it really helps place his 12-year tenure in context. Essentially, to understand where we are ("Romancing Each Other Since 2004"), it's important to remember where we've come from. It hasn't always been our birthright to win 10-13 games every season. In fact, winning 10 games was something that David McWilliams and John Mackovic were able to accomplish exactly twice during their combined 11 years as head coach. And, as I'm learning, that essential sense of perspective is something lost on the current generation of UT students.
I know that nothing from the last paragraph is a surprise to the readers of this site. We're Texas, but now, thanks to Vince/Mack/whoever, We ARE Texas. It's simple enough, and I don't mean for this post to merely rehash well-covered ground. The purpose of this post runs a bit deeper. After the jump, I'm going to anecdotally examine the effect of Mack's dominance on the perceptions of the most recent groups of UT Graduates. You know, the ones who first started following the team when Vince Young was our quarterback.
Most of my best friends went to Texas, but, thanks to law school, I've been able to broaden my circle of friends over the last few years. Last weekend, I went to visit a friend from law school at his ranch house. He went to A&M for undergrad and bought season tickets for Kyle Field this year. Over dinner, we were joined by one of his hometown friends who'd been living in Lubbock. In making the necessary introductions, my friend said that I was "one of the only tolerable UT students our age that I've ever met. He loves the Longhorns, he even *writes* about the Longhorns, but he's not an insufferable douche about them. It's almost like he remembers things that happened before 2004, and he doesn't constantly belittle the other teams in the conference."
His statement caught me a little off-guard. In pushing him (and later others) for a further explanation, my friend said that he usually only enjoys associating or talking shop with older UT alumni. In his opinion, which has been echoed by others, the majority of young UT alumni have become increasingly and aggressively arrogant about our place in college football and obnoxiously address any questions over any potential shortcomings by declaring that Will Muschamp will be EVEN BETTER than Mack Brown. These unequivocal declarations of superiority forever and ever by Texas fans serve as both the starting and stopping point of any relevant discussion. The perception of most people I talked to--usually A&M or Tech grads--is that the worst offenders are the ones who had the most tenuous connections to UT before arriving as a student. As a Texas fan who mostly associates with other Texas fans, I dont have enough of a perspective to say whether they're wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me if they're right.
But, before further analyzing whether they are right or wrong (or what it even means), it's important to understand the nature of their claims. I don't think their point was that Texas fans shouldn't be proud of our school. We should be. All those 10+ win seasons happened, and they are officially part of our history. We did win the national title in 2005, and we have won 69 of our past 78 games. That's pretty good. Additionally, I don't think their point was that they should never be forced to listen to insufferable blowhard UT fans. Those types of fans are inevitable in every sport. It's happened for the Lakers, Yankees, Cowboys, and will soon enough happen for the Miami Heat and a slew of other teams. Finally, I don't think their complaints were connected to any forms of t-shirt fans from San Marcos, San Antonio, El Paso, or Arlington. They were connected to recent UT graduates, not people who never attended the school.
In analyzing this claim--that the majority of recent UT graduates are aggressively arrogant fans who can't engage in productive discussions--it's worth questioning whether the claim is solely based on petty jealousy. The "they hate me because they ain't me" argument, if you will. While that's a possibility, the nature of the complaint seems to be more related to a failure to understand how UT's present success relates to its past.
And, at some level, I get that. There isn't a single college football program that is immune from the surprisingly perilous nature of success. Programs rise, programs fall, and the seemingly unbeatable can see it all fall apart in the blink of an eye. Or the blink of a Heisman Trophy winner scandal, if you prefer. Just naming the most successful programs of my lifetime immediately brings memories of high-profile failures alongside with their incredible success. Seriously, just name them off...Florida (Zook), Oklahoma (5 losses!), USC, Ohio State (John Cooper), Michigan (Rodriguez), LSU, Miami, Notre Dame, Michigan, Tennessee, FSU, Nebraska, etc. The list can go on and on, and for a variety of reasons. Injuries can happen. Early draft entries can happen. Bad hires can happen. Recruiting busts can happen. Things can just happen, and it's silly to pretend they cant or wont. Because they've happened to us, and, at some point, they'll happen to us again. As I've said, 10 wins isnt a birthright.
I'm quite proud of our program, but I'm always interested to hear how others think the success of our football program has changed the perspectives of our younger alums. Just last year, a friend of mine--who will cringe when he reads this--wanted Mack Brown fired less than an hour after we beat Nebraska. It may not even just be our younger alums that have been affected. If we lose 3 games this year, then I suspect we'll see a lot of fans (of all ages) request demand that Mack Brown step aside to let Will Muschamp take over the team.
Writing this post about how our younger fans have allegedly become intolerable reminds me of one of the douchiest quotes of all-time. After the 2006 Rose Bowl, USC AD Mike Garrett decided to confront John David Booty, who would be replacing Matt Leinart as the team's QB. According to reports, here's what he told him:
Garrett came into the locker room after the game and looked at JD and said 'We don't lose football games here at 'SC.' And he looked right at JD and said 'Don't ever lose a game here.'
It looks stupid when other people say it, and it will eventually look stupid if people are saying it about our own program. I don't know if Texas fans have become as intolerable as what I've heard, but I can only hope that our fans will avoid making these types of bombastic statements. At least, not until we win another National Title, at which point all bets are officially off.
Hook 'Em!
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I was at Route 66
And I remember what it was like to just be excited to have a chance to compete for a conference title. I also remember how Aggie fans thought there would be plenty more of the good days ahead.
The Mack came. What many might not recall that during the ‘98 campaign where we beat Nebraska in Lincoln, a large group of students rushed to DKR to tear the goal posts down. That’s right. Police were waiting. They were also on the drag which became a parking lot with everyone driving down the street celebrating the monumental victory.
I can’t imagine a game this season which would inspire that kind of enthusiasm. It’s just a different vibe today.
One thing I’ve learned in life and in sports is the good days will eventually come to an end. Enjoy them while you can.
Remember your roots
I remember where we came from, and was happy when we…
Tied #6 ranked Syracuse in 1993
Played #4 Colorado close in 1994 (I think they won on a late field goal)
Tied for 1st in the SWC in 94 (thanks to Aggy on probation) and won the freakin’ Sun Bowl
FINALLY beat those Agros in 1995 and won the SWC outright
And I was crushed at the UCLA game in 96. I stayed the whole game.
Douchebaggery permeates all life, and just because someone wears burnt orange doesn’t mean they deserve to wear it.
Wait a minute, scratch that — I’m starting to sound like Aggy.
Hook 'em
I hear you
I was at those Syracuse and Colorado games and had a blast. I knew as a program we weren’t where we should be, but it was fun nonetheless to measure ourselves against the big boys of the time.
It's fun to do bad things. -Latarian Milton
by TexasGarcia37 on Aug 23, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
A little humility goes a long way
The quickest way to solve such a problem is to have the team go out and lose to Rice. No matter what lofty heights our beloved Longhorns reach, I will always have that bitter memory to ground me. In fact, I’m feeling a little nauseous right now thinking about how someday I’m going to have to explain to my five month-old son that, no, Texas doesn’t always beat Rice. Gah.
That said, I think my experience probably makes me more prone to “constantly belittle the other teams in the conference,” because I remember exactly how much it hurts. And those jerks deserve it.
Your Man In the Balkans
Mack Brown
Although i would be considered a part of the new group of UT alumni who started school in UT in 2004 and followed Vince Young to the ultimate price, I almost always cringe when I hear somebody say that Mack Brown should step aside. That might be more because I have read up on the past and know that Mack brought about a renaissance in UT football after several years of dark ages.
Nevertheless, I am proud of a decade of 10 win seasons dammit… I will forever be proud of it. I expect another, only because I know we are probably bringing another NFL caliber defense to the table. But if we fail would I want Mack to leave.. No!
Another "new UT alumni"
Want Mack to leave?! I’ll punch any dummy in the face for saying that to me. I love that guy, and I love what Texas has accomplished. You speak of us young guys as if we have no idea of what could be… when we see the troubles other great schools are having now (Oklahoma, USC, Michigan) as evidence of the possible realities. We understand, and hope for continued success. Gives us some credit there big guy… we are Texas alumni, no?
by LonghornLove on Aug 23, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I know one dummy who regularly posts here who I'll volunteer for that punch in the face...
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by Hopkins Horn on Aug 23, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm class of '97
So not only do I remember the “lean years,” I remember SouthWest Conference lean years! I’m old enough to have John Mackovic’s autograph.
I got a chance to meet and interview Mack Brown about a month after the 2005 national championship and I made sure to tell him how thankful I am that he’s restored a sense of pride to the alumni. More than that, he’s helped make Texas a national power and a national BRAND in a greater way than ever before. When I came from the Midwest to go to school at UT, I’d tell people “I go to Texas” and they’d say, “Oh, you mean Texas A&M?” True story. People don’t do that any more.
So I’d say to the recent grads: Appreciate where you are. Because it definitely wasn’t always that way. It takes years and years to climb the mountain, and only a moment to fall back down.
+1 to everything in your post.
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
well said
heavy lies the crown, but one thing that has kept Texas ‘humble’ has been playing in the roughest sub-conference in football. Imagine if ou were in a different division/conference….
That being said, the football humility I have been subjected to pre- Mack was ridiculous. Some of the things witnessed first hand: Route 66, ‘The Tie’ in 1985 (followed by 4 straight losses), losing at OSU in 1997 in Ricky’s junior year, Miami destroying us in the Cotton Bowl on New Year’s day, 1991 (which didn’t help my hangover at all).
In some ways it was a simpler time: upsetting ou four straight years with Gardere felt euphoric. Upsetting Nebraska in the first Big 12 championship, orgasmic.
But nothing felt better than Pasadena in 2006, and frankly, that is the candy I want.
I still can't believe Fred Akers went for the tie...
These are the good old days
As someone who sat through many of the games of the bad old days referenced above, I think it’s important to keep in mind how good we have it right now, not just in football but generally across the board.
It amazes me sometimes to see how the game threads on BON for games we win by three or four touchdowns can turn into absolute toxic waste dumps from all the delusional fans unhappy when we don’t win every game by five or six touchdowns. A 20+ plus win over anyone in the 90s would have been cause for celebration, not bitching.
Enjoy it. It won’t last forever. Nothing does.
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This just in.... New Grads are generally dumbasses...
I’m guilty of saying “F* firing GD, fire Mack!”.
I started following UT during the Applewhite/Simms era, and was bitter about the series of losses to OU that I had attended.
But then again, I lacked perspective, as I didn’t know the history. Now, I’m probably the most ardent Mack Brown supporter, but still have to evangelize him to people from my class despite recent success in the RRR because he’s still only 50/50 in that game.
The newest grads don’t even know about Mack’s 50/50 record in the RRR, and take winning THAT game for granted. Also, having a successful team doesn’t generate assholes, it just allows them the platform to come out of the woodwork. They were already there.
All this being said, you can’t be surprised that when you’re successful, douches show up. Also, don’t be surprised if younger people than you say dumb things. And don’t be surprised if you look back on some things you said, and now think that was pretty dumb too.
Biggest idiot I ever encountered at a game
2005 vs. Texas Tech.
Early in the game, a Texas drive ended with a VY interception. I can’t remember how bad a throw it was, but it’s pretty irrelevant. The guy behind me — and I apologize to any frat boy douchebags out there with whom I’m lumping this guy into a group, but this guy had the look of a recently-graduated frat boy douchebag — yelled as loud as he could, “F*** YOU VINCE!” He wasn’t joking. He was pissed off.
I have never wanted to cold-cock a “fan” more than I did at that moment. Fortunately, several other real fans let him have it, and he stewed silently for the rest of the game, even though we won like, 88-0.
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by Hopkins Horn on Aug 23, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Early on in the 2008 season
I forgot who we were playing, but it was one of our easy non-con games. Colt was looking great, but one frat boy next to us (I will also apologize to frat boys who aren’t like this) went on and on the entire game about how terrible Colt was and how John Chiles should be playing. Every time Colt made a good play, his friends would point it out to him but he’d brush it off, “Who the f*** cares, this team sucks,” and also disparaged Colt’s high school career because he played 2A. He’d say things like, “Wait until we play Oklahoma, then Colt will suck it up again,” which, of course, puzzled me because the OU game was one of Colt’s best in a rocky 2007 season.
I eventually said, out loud to my girlfriend, “Don’t listen to this guy. He doesn’t know anything about Texas football.” I sure wish I got the guy’s contact information as McCoy completed one of the all-time great seasons for a Texas quarterback that year. I would have loved to receive more of his great input.
by TheElusiveShadow on Aug 23, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
As a 20 year "homecoming" to myself
I attended my first game in 20 years at DKR in 2007…unfortunately, it was the K-State game and we lost in the pouring rain. Loved that many of the fans stayed and supported the team; hated the fact that some guys (yes, they were young) were standing and screaming non-stop obscenties at the coaching staff, players, etc.. Was thinking that maybe Texas fans were too polite to tell them to STFU so ( since I had been out of Texas awhile and perhaps picked up some bad habits from stints in New York, New Jersey and now Detroit) I decided to do it and take the steps necessary to make sure they understood my point. Kinda killed my buzz though. Plenty of examples of students and young people behaving the exact opposite but the idiots are the ones you remember I guess.
This is truly a special time. Still living in Michigan and living the Rich Rod fiasco every day. Michigan alum have told me time and again that they would LOVE to have Mack Brown representing the maize and blue…I take nothing for granted.
Hopkins Horn, I was at that game and remember the comment...
I was also one of the less-controlled fans that got into an argument with him.
While I’m a recent grad (class of ‘06), I’m also a second generation ’Horn and pretty much grew up around the UT athletics program (my dad was a scholarship runner at Texas in the ’70s so we had season tickets when I was a kid). I totally agree with txtwstr7; this attitude has everything to do with a lack of perspective.
the man, the myth, the legend.
Could it have been the same guy?
I’m way up towards the top of the west side upper deck, four rows from the top, on the southern 30 yard line. The douchebag would have been three rows from the top.
(Not that I’ve actually been to those seats in four years, but they’re still mine, dammit! Grandfathered in from having to be a donor!)
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by Hopkins Horn on Aug 23, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Recognize it when it's good
and enjoy it. Having grown up immersed in Horns fandom and experiencing a long period of mediocrity challenges, it is a freaking blast to see such recent success. I also grew up a Braves fan and in the ’80s began to wonder why it was that I was a fan. I stuck with my team(s) and it paid off.
by Infield Elephant on Aug 23, 2010 11:26 AM CDT reply actions
I've said it before
Provided that we stay in the same conference was Baylor (at this point, that is not a given), one of these days they will beat us again. Maybe it will happen after we’re dead (I certainly hope I’m not alive to see it), but as long as we keep playing them every year, they’ll get us one day.
by TheElusiveShadow on Aug 23, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions
Amen, brother
That’s just the simple truth and I hope I’m not alive to see that either. The sadder thing? One day we may lose to a team like Arkansas State too. While it may seem fun to gloat at the Aggies, we always have to remember to stay grounded. Putting ourselves up so high may kill us when we fall.
Every time I feel down and depressed, I think of seven simple words by a true wise man, Matt Leinart: "I still think we're the better team" and I usually end up hurting myself by laughing so hard.
by SurferHorn257 on Aug 23, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember the 80's
It seems that after the OU game in 84, things went to $&!T. That was also the time when the Agros started to become relevant. It was a hard time to put up with their delusional arrogance. I always hoped it would never get to the point where Horn fans would get that bad. I guess it has. Living in Oklahoma for the past 10 years has made sure I don’t get too full of myself. First 5 years cemented that. I know I will be leaving the land of thieves soon for new job (just don’t know if it will be Texas or Mississippi), I just hope this 40 something, burnt-orange bleeding SOB, can represent my great University will (I hate the word) Class. I just hope the younger generation will start doing the same.
"We are Texas. We always expect to be the best." - Sam Acho
I don't have a problem with the confidence level
There are things certain schools do when they win games which indicate that they didn’t expect to win. Rushing the field, tearing down goalposts, partying in the middle of the street … that crap is for second rate programs who don’t expect to win every game. Turning around, walking out of the stadium, and going on with your life says a lot more about a fanbase than flipping out over one win (unless that win is the national championship, in which case all bets are off).
I remember reading an interview with Will Muschamp shortly after he took the DC job. He said one of the first things Mack Brown said to him about our fans was “You’ll never live to see the day that Texas fans rush the field after winning a game.” Muschamp said he was excited to coach in that kind of environment, where the fans are never satisfied and never caught off guard by success.
Granted, there are idiots in all age ranges, not just current or recent students, who make total asses of themselves with the way they complain about things. But on the whole, I like that our fans view winning as par for the course and not something they should enjoy while it lasts.
If you want to believe...
…this era will go on forever, go ahead.
We have the institutional advantages that make it more likely than not that we’ll stay at the top longer (well, we’ve already done that with our run of 10+ win seasons) and that, when we fall or stumble, we’ll rebound quicker than other schools might.
But as someone who was around when fans stormed the field after a tie against Syracuse, I’ll choose to continue enjoying this nearly unprecedented run while it lasts.
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by Hopkins Horn on Aug 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You both make great points...
…but don’t you sometimes want to be that thrilled over a victory? One byproduct of prolonged success seems to be a feeling of relief, not joy, when the ‘Horns win. And in the BCS climate you really don’t even feel that unless they win by enough of a margin. I love where we are now and would NOT trade it. I just wish we could enjoy each win instead of worrying that it might not be impressive enough.
Or do I just need to up my dosage…?
41-38 !!
I also fear...
…the absolute carnage which will happen around here and all Texas-related fandom when we have our inevitable “shit happens” season, for which we’re loooong overdue. (Like OU last year.)
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by Hopkins Horn on Aug 23, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
No fanbase is really prepared for that
Though ours seems to combine just the right amounts of entitlement and angst to have people storming Belmont with pitchforks and torches. The only saving grace is that we’d have to borrow the farm implements from A&M.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Aug 23, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest...
…watching from afar, OU’s fanbase seemed to take last year’s “shit happens” season pretty well, all things considered.
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by Hopkins Horn on Aug 23, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe growing up in Oklahoma prepares one for a lifetime of disappointment...
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Aug 23, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Agreed.
I think there may be a handful that disagree with this, but I am of the belief that a win is a win. I remember seeing a lot of negativity when we didn’t beat Tech in Austin by as much as we hoped last year. I do understand that there were a lot of things that we should have done better in the game itself, which certainly can be discussed with no harm, but the win itself becomes overlooked by those angry at the lack of utter domination. The first half of many game were very nerve racking last year, particularly Wyoming & Colorado, and I read/heard a lot of “What the F is this crap, Horns? F-ing Greg Davis, F-ing Mack Brown”. That’s where the problem lies with me. This past season was probably one of the more stressful that I have experienced given the one-half performances, close calls, and games we didn’t expect to be an issue, but looking back, it was a blast to feel such relief – sorry, joy – at coming out on top. We are criticized by our foes for always figuring out a way out of it (see NU), but I have come to appreciate that. After all, we did get to the big one. Feelings of disappointment for that game is a different issue though.
by Infield Elephant on Aug 23, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree on the whiners
I am not that guy that curses out coaches and players and demands for people to be fired. That is ridiculous and counterproductive for program that averages a loss or two per year.
And nothing annoys me more than hearing an analyst talk about “style points” after we win an ugly game or fail to score 60 points on a hapless opponent. I could not possibly care less about style points or whether we have a feature running back or go the committee route. If we’re ahead when the clock runs out, pretty much the only things I’m going to complain about are boneheaded, “what was he thinking?” moments, like Justin Tucker unilaterally deciding to fake a punt on our own goal line or unnecessary personal foul penalties.
I didn't say it would go on forever
All programs have their ups and downs, and it’s almost always due to making the right or wrong coaching hire. Texas made the right one. There’s no guarantee that our next head coach, be it Will Muschamp or someone else entirely, will have the same level of success. Running Texas football means running a high-stakes business in addition to being a football coach, and not every great Xs and Os guy can handle the CEO part of the job. I get that.
But this isn’t just about the past decade. Texas has been in the upper echelon of college football programs for a long time, and I think one of the best things Mack Brown did for our program was to come in, take some inventory, and say “This is not good enough.” He upgraded the facilities, he demanded more from the alumni, he encouraged the fans to make DKR a better college football environment, he brought back some of the old-school guys to instill the sense of pride in our program that had been missing for a while.
I do enjoy winning. Contrary to popular belief, not everyone with high expectations is miserable unless we win by 5 TDs. But I will never get so excited about a regular season game that I run onto the field with the intention of destroying part of the stadium. If that’s all it took to get me pumped up, I might as well have gone to Tech.
There was a riot on the drag in 2005
when we beat tOSU. I participated in it. I wasn’t in Austin for it but I heard there was one after the Rose Bowl too. Just saying.
Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.
But it was a polite riot, right?
I mean, no couch burning or midget tossing or anything like that.
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by Hopkins Horn on Aug 23, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
of course
banging on car hoods and running through the streets was as bad as it got.
Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you soon enough. If he's not, don't embarrass him.
We're 'sips even when rioting. Perfect!
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by Hopkins Horn on Aug 23, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
We did that in '69 when we beat Arkansas.
It was a combo of relief and jubilation and a particular happy night for all concerned. I was an hour away and it was going great when I arrived and continued for most of the evening.
I would never downplay such spontaneous celebrations. There were thousands who met the Horns at the airport when they flew in as well and at the stadium when they got there.
Great victories deserve great celebrations.
Bandwagon effect
Any time a winner emerges, you get a lot of needy people who try to identify so they can feel better about themselves. The boorish behavior has nothing to do with Texas sports, apart from it providing an easy vehicle. I mean, you don’t have to work too hard to follow the Horns and you get to play the favorite most of the time. Remember all the vitriol post-MNC? It was these same folks, jonesing because they didn’t get their fix that day.
So to everyone offended by these jerks, the rest of us are just as much embarrassed as you might be offended. At least we might all take some consolation in the observation that college sports is a fairly benign outlet for such behavior and that some fun can be had from watching it at a distance.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
I began reading this
To see a lot of longhorn fans show a bit of humility, and I’m walking away with a bit more respect for the fanbase as a whole. BON users have mostly been pretty gracious to my presence. The Texas fans that live in my area, however, are the most obnoxious, entitled fans I’ve ever met in my life. Right now, it really is how most people view your fanbase. Hell, my girlfriend notices it even more than I do. Most fans are guilty of falling into their generic fanbase annoyance, I’ve been guilty of “7 national championships and 5 heismans” myself. What I’m getting at here, is that right now, the longhorn fanbase, including alumni old and new, are certainly not the most humble, but after reading a few testimonies here, it’s good to know that there are quite a few fans that stay a bit humble and are willing to have football conversations with us, “lesser” programs.
by KratosWasASooner on Aug 23, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions
Same everywhere?
Could it be that every school is known by its most offensive fans? In your special case, it might be that just being a Longhorn in the heart of OU country might be a hard life — which could bring out the worst in some.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
You will encounter Homo Erectus Obnoxicus
Thier tribes are spread across the vastness of our fine NCAA States.
Wear Michigan Blue In the Ohio valley, beware the couch burning Buckeyeholes
In the Smokey Mountains any other color but prison jumper/orange will draw ire from the enebriated cousins of the Moonshine tribe of the Volentards
And of course the Bush-men of Southern California are particularly sneaky. They don “Cheeta” yellow and Red.
Wha...? No Whaley? No Hills?
For last years RRS my wife invited a UT alum
to watch the game at our house. She had just moved to OKC to work at my wife’s office so she might have been a little more reserved than normal, but outside of a few “tackle his ass” and “catch the damn ball” comments (much more reserved than myself) she was the perfect guest. Of course there was a respectable amount of gloating after thee game, but extremely gracious. I’ve been to a RRS when UT won and outside of the ‘Whoooo Texas’ ad nauseam the fans weren’t bad. I’m sure there’s arrogant, obnoxious fans who feel entitled at every successful program. I’ve seen them in Norman. I’ve experienced the success at OU in the 70’s, 80’’ and after Stoops resurrected the program this decade. I’ve also experienced Gary Gibbs(a realy good defensive coach), John Blake (really good recruiter & players coach) and Schnelly (ugh!) From this you definitely learn to appreciate the success and remain mindful that all good things can come to an end. I remember when the coaching job at OU was open and Mack Browns name came up but he didn’t pursue the position because his brother Watson wanted the job. When Mack ended up at Texas I said this will be a problem for OU because this guy is a good coach and great recruiter. Boy do hate to be right. Those fans clamoring for Boom to take over might think twice about changing something that has been ultra successful in a sport that is without fail cyclical.
It's a shame
there are douche fans, but that’s something that will never change. When the inevitable happens and the program comes back down to earth, those folks will quickly peel off and the true fans will be left to suffer and celebrate in relative solitude.
All too well I remember the most recent stretch of mediocrity and as a result, I couldn’t possibly take this unbelievable run of success for granted. I guess I am guilty of wanting it to last long enough to capture at least one more MNC just to further legitimize the current success. You know…before we are happy just to be bowl eligible again.
Urp.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Young Alums = Young People
I hope they will grow out of it. I’m 38 about to turn 39 later this year, and I was there in the early ‘90s with McWilliams and Mackovic. Because of those tough times, I know I will never take this run for granted. On a quick aside, I ran on the field at then Memorial Stadium in 1990 after we beat #3 Houston. It was and still is one of my most cherished memories of my college career. A part of me feels bad that students these days won’t have that joy in their college experiences.
It's fun to do bad things. -Latarian Milton
I remember always running out onto the field.
Not sure exactly when that stopped. Probably when the natural turf was installed.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
The BCS environment
has a lot to do with the jackass behaviour recently. The a-hole analysts on TV cause the fanbase to demand not only wins, but destructions of opponents. When the current fanbase logically realizes that a 7 point win over team “A” vs. a 30 point win over team “A” can literally mean the difference b/w a national title opportunity and just another nice bowl game, I can understand the young folks’ anger – and that some of the older folks may see it as immaturity or lack of perspective.
Truly Dark Ages
I graduated UT in 1990 and remember the truly dark ages of Texas football. The end of the Fred Akers career where all the students would yell out the play as it began because the offense was so predictable. Apparently having Earl in the beginning of his coaching career led him to believe we should run the draw play on every long yardage situation.
The David McWilliams era was not much better, we won the SWC in 1990 and were ranked number three in the country and got to play Miami for a chance at the National Title. The build up was whether the team could wear black shoes Ala Penn State. We were destroyed in the Cotton Bowl. Miami out-swaggered from the moment they walked onto the field until the final gun. The only consolation is we were not shut out.
So having Mack coach this team to so many consecutive 10 win seasons is fantastic, but as the author pointed out, we only have one NC to boast of. Until we secure a second crystal ball we need to keep some humility. We have done well, we need to do better, but Mack gets to keep the reins for many years to come. Muschamp will get his chance once Mack is no longer having fun coaching this team.
Until then, Hook em and beat the hell out of OU and they rest of the Big 12!
if you want to see what happens to a fanbase which grows up knowing nothing but success
and is having to deal with struggles now, go look at Tomahawk Nation.
There are writers on there who came of age during FSU’s decade of dominance in the ‘90s, and don’t now what to do now that the dynasty has ended. The absolute hatred they have for Bobby Bowden, a man who created the very reason for their overinflated sense of entitlement, is astounding.
I don’t think texas fans will ever come to that point (doubtful any coach who wins two national titles at texas will also stick around forever, like Bowden has), but it is a good example of how things can go bad.
As to the OP, I don’t think John Cooper’s tenure qualifies as a down period for Ohio State (two Big Ten titles, multiple Bowl Alliance and BCS appearances), and LSU has never had a significant history of winning for any time to be considered a down period. This past decade, with two BCS titles, is as good as it has ever been for LSU.
Young Alums
As an old fart I’ve seen the notion of sportsmanship by all fans disappear. It’s ironic how fans demand “good kid” behavior by our players (& coaches) but believe themselves immune from the same standards. This behavior is fed by espn, superstars, talk radio, most of everday life, etc. Two DKR quotes: “We’re developing some difficult fans” & “Ain’t a horse that can’t be road, ain’t a rider that that can’t be throad”.
living for today...
originally from Ann Arbor with parents that went to UM, i grew up a Wolverines fan. my family settled in texas almost 30 years ago, and i ended up at UT. I had the misfortune of being there for all 5 of the losses to OU in the early 2000’s. (that’s rite, UT was the best 4.5 years of my life :D )
it was hard letting go of the UM-brainwashing, esp during those years, while UM was still a contender, but i’ll never forget the Rose Bowl i watched in Ann Arbor with a house full of Wolverines. i attended a Pistons-Lakers game the night before and a stranger said “ur from texas? no offense but F***-you”. as VY had his way against michigan, i smiled to myself, knowing at that moment, things had changed for UT. when i meet new-grads that assume BCS success, i’m baffled. i’m grateful for chris simms and the torture he relentlessly subjected me to. i am now able to appreciate the good times that much more. oh, and i absolutely remind my family about 2005.

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