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Redshirting: The numbers game

 

Mack Brown said recently he expects more true freshmen to play this year than in the past. You probably know Mack says this every year. At approximately the same time, using about the same words. 

 

Usually, he lies. Not on purpose – it just works out that way. Last year, for example, three of the true freshmen who were playing got sidelined by injury early enough that they could be redshirted.



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In recent seasons, the redshirted freshmen have outnumbered the true frosh who played by about a 3-2 margin. Going back five years:

 

2005 – 16 players signed, 7 played, 9 redshirted. Notables who played: Jamaal Charles, Quan Cosby, Roy Miller, Henry Melton. Notable redshirts: Colt McCoy, Chris Hall, Charlie Tanner, Adam Ulatoski, Rod Muckelroy. (Ulatoski signed in '04 but entered school in '05 after rehabbing a high school injury.)

 

2006 – 25 players signed, 9 played, 16 redshirted. Notables who played: Sergio Kindle, Jared Norton, Lamarr Houston, Hunter Lawrence, Jevan Snead. Notables who redshirted: Vondrell McGee, Chykie Brown, Eddie Jones, Dustin Earnest.

 

2007 – 23 players signed, 9 played, 14 redshirted. Notables who played: Sam Acho, Curtis Brown, Michael Huey, John Chiles, Blaine Irby, Kyle Hix. Notables who redshirted: Earl Thomas, Christian Scott, Keenan Robinson, Cody Johnson, Malcolm Williams.

 

2008 – 19 players signed, 9 played, 10 redshirted. Notables who played: Blake Gideon, Emmanuel Acho, David Snow, Kheeston Randall, Justin Tucker, Aaron Williams. Notables who redshirted: Tre Newton, Luke Poehlmann, DeSean Hales, D.J. Monroe.

 

2009 – 21 players signed, 7 played, 14 redshirted. Notables who played: Marquise Goodwin, Garrett Gilbert, Alex Okafor, Kenny Vaccaro, Barrett Matthews. Notables who redshirted: Calvin Howell, Mason Walters, Chris Whaley, Thomas Ashcraft, Garrett Porter.

 

The much-praised 2010 class had 25 signees. If past statistics hold up, about 10 will play this fall, about 15 won’t debut until 2011.

 

I don’t think that’ll be the case; I’m guessing more than a dozen true frosh see the field this year, maybe 15-16. The reason: The pipeline is bursting. In part because of the backlog of players who have redshirted (are eligible for a fifth year), there are TOO FEW seniors leaving the program to allow the 23 high schoolers who have committed to fit under the 85-scholarship limit. That means attrition must happen, and some it will be forced attrition. (I’ll leave it to you to define the how and who of that.)

 

One way to alleviate this overcrowding problem -- down the line -- is to redshirt fewer freshmen, ultimately reducing the number of five-year players in the program. Also, the coaching staff already knows they’ll have – for example – six offensive linemen coming next summer . . . and three linebackers . . . and four or five defensive backs, depending on where some of the “athlete” types ultimately play. Redshirting heavily at those positions now will mean too many players in the same class at the same position in a year or two. (That's not using your resources wisely.)

 

Who plays in 2010? Obviously, a backup quarterback, at least one defensive tackle, one or more linebackers, a couple of the defensive backs, at least one wide receiver, probably an offensive lineman. Those are areas where backup help is needed, or cover positional areas where freshmen are likely to contribute on special teams. But that’s just eight or nine freshmen who would play. Not enough.

 

There are five DBs among the entering freshmen, and five at WR or TE. There are four defensive tackles (with high school DE Greg Daniels joining DeAires Cotton, Taylor Bible and Ashton Dorsey at DT). Defensive ends Reggie Wilson and Jackson Jeffcoat are five-star talents -- too good to hold back? Mack hardly ever redshirts out-of-state players, perhaps figuring those not closely tied to Texas geographically might be more likely to transfer.

 

Kicker Will Russ, linebacker Jordan Hicks and safety DeMarco Cobbs are out-of-state signees. (Cobbs recently switched from running back to safety, and has been slowed by injury.) I’d guess all three of those play in 2010, plus the two DEs, another linebacker, three (maybe four) of the DBs, two wide receivers, a QB, a couple of defensive tackles and offensive guard Trey Hopkins. Stacked though the position is (numerically), RB Traylon Shead may not redshirt.

 

We’ll start getting answers next week, when Brown announces the season-opening depth chart.

 

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My guesses

The other thing to consider is needing to play true freshman this year becaue they’ll be needed to start or play significantly next year. CB, DE and WR are those positions for 2010.

I think the following 15 play this year:

QB – 1
RB – 1
WR – 2
TE – 0
OL – 1
DT – 2
DE – 2
LB – 3
DB – 2
K – 1

by Horncasting on Aug 25, 2010 4:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Um...could we get some pie charts, graphs and maybe some scatter plots?

This was really insightful.
Thanks edsp

Wha...? No Whaley? No Hills?

by Ese-De-SA on Aug 25, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I project 16/25 will not RS

Play:
QB-Case McCoy
RB-Traylon Shead
WR-Mike Davis, Darius White
OL-Dom Espinosa, Trey Hopkins
DT-Ashton Dorsey
DE-Jackson Jeffcoat, Reggie Wilson
LB-Tevin Jackson, Jordan Hicks, Aaron Benson
CB-Adrian White, Carrington Byndom
S-Demarco Cobbs
K/P-Will Russ

Redshirt:
QB: Connor Wood
WR: John Harris, Chris Jones
TE: Darius Terrell
DT: DeAires Cotton, Taylor Bible, Greg Daniels
CB: Adrian Phillips
S: Bryant Jackson

So that would be a pretty high number. Phillips and possibly Bible may play as well, but the others seem like automatic redshirts.

by GoHornsGo90 on Aug 25, 2010 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't think Espinosa will play

Pretty set at center, and haven’t heard nearly as much about him as Hopkins. Lots of RS Soph and Freshman available for the interior OL.

I think at least one other DT plays, and I’d bet on Bible. Put a little seperation between Bible/Dorsey and Cotton/Daniels, not to mention Jackson/Carter.

I hope that Cobbs redshirts if he hasn’t found a full time home by week 1.

by Horncasting on Aug 25, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope Dom gets shirted

But I feel he’ll be that guy who plays like 1 more minute in garbage time than the RS requirement and doesn’t get it.

By Jackson/Carter do you mean Jackson/Russell?

Completely agree if they don’t know where Cobbs is playing he should get the shirt.

by GoHornsGo90 on Aug 25, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I refuse

to accept Colt playing this year. I demand 4 more years of McCoy to Shipley. ROOMMATES!!!!!

What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?

by inVINCEable on Aug 26, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

eh?

how does not redshirting freshman this year help next year’s freshman numbers? you’re going to have years where classes are simply smaller. sorry, but i don’t see Mack changing his policy anytime soon. the kids who are most ready have the best chance to see the field this year. those who aren’t get a redshirt.

"you can destroy a man, but you cannot defeat him." - e.h.

by drankthewine on Aug 26, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

You're right on next year . . . redshirting or not in 2010 won't affect scholly numbers for next year

But Mack, and the HCIW, are looking big picture as well as at the here and now.

Trimming the number of redshirts in the program will take 2-3 years before it has an impact on scholarship numbers . . . but the staff already has to find find a half-dozen “attrition” players before next July; some will happen naturally, but not all, and some of this forced attrition will come from players who redshirted in ‘08, ’09, who can’t win jobs in the two-deep and still have multiple seasons of eligibility left.

Plus, frankly, if you redshirt too many bodies, your opponents use that as evidence while recruiting current HS seniors and juniors that “you’ll be buried on the bench for three years if you go to Texas.”

by edsp on Aug 26, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trey Hopkins

will be the freshman that sees the most time this year. He is getting rave reviews from Mack and at multiple positions.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Aug 26, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Eh

Remember, O-Line isn’t going to sub as much as, say, DT, where Dorsey is supposedly the third guy right now. Unless you mean Hopkins could eventually start, which would be music to my ears. Also I think Mike Davis will play a good deal this season.

by GoHornsGo90 on Aug 26, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is what I was getting at

I think by injury or otherwise Trey Hopkins will be a starter at some point this season. I reserve the right to be completely wrong, though. haha

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Aug 26, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah

Gotcha. Sounds good to me :D

by GoHornsGo90 on Aug 26, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, whether Hopkins starts this year isn't the issue.

With three seniors starting on the O-line (four, if Tray Allen returns), there will be starting jobs galore available a year from now. Hopkins seems like one of those likely to start — so getting him some game activity in 2010 would be a plus looking forward.

A year from now, we’re looking at David Snow and four current freshman as the starters — unless Allen has to redshirt and returns, or maybe Luke Poehlmann gets in the mix.

by edsp on Aug 26, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Expectations

Mason Walters may be a starter by end of season as well.

I don't always watch football, but when I do, I prefer Dos Achos. Stay thirsty, my friends.

by jc25 on Aug 27, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kelly, Hopkins, Snow, Ashcroft, Walters; Westerman, Porter, Espinosa, Flowers, Greenlea

Yes, that will do just fine, thank you :)

by GoHornsGo90 on Aug 27, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

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