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Texas OL Coach Search: Talk to the Hand?

As the search for someone, anyone pretty please with a fat paycheck on top to coach the Texas offensive line now stretches into it's second month, Bobby Burton of Hookem.com reported on Tuesday morning ($) that a new name has emerged. After failing to land Steve Addazio, Jeff Grimes, and Joe Wickline, the newest name is Vanderbilt OL coach Herb Hand, joining guys like Chris Klenakis of Arkansas and Chris Strausser of Boise State who have been mentioned throughout the process. Rice's Robbie Vinklarek is, like Hand, another name recently thrown into the mix and Burton is reporting that Bob Bostad, despite the false starts on Monday, could still be in the mix as well.

Hand's name may not be familiar to casual followers of college football, but probing a little more deeply into his experience, it quickly becomes apparent that he fits the profile of the youthful coach Texas has been targeting at 41 and that he has experience working with some of the best spread minds in college football.

Before spending the last year at Vanderbilt, Hand spent three seasons at Tulsa, where he was the co-offensive coordinator with Gus Malzahn and served as the offensive line coach and assistant head coach. Prior to Tulsa, Hand was with Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia and Clemson, also working with Rick Trickett during that time, known as one of the best teachers anywhere of the zone blocking scheme.

If that experience isn't enough to get you excited about Hand and his coaching pedigree, I really don't know what to tell you except to keep reading on. It's safe to say that Hand and Malzahn learned from each other at Tulsa, with Hand learning about Malzahn's tempo (though he had experience with a fast-paced offense under Rich Rodriguez) and Malzahn adopting a more balanced approach and Hand's zone-blocking scheme. As Chris Brown of Smart Football pointed out: they were co-coordinators for a reason. In fact, in another post, Brown opines that Hand "deserves as much credit as Malzahn" for the success of the Tulsa offense.

Star-divide

At West Virginia and Tulsa, Hand was a part of a major shift in option and zone read concepts as offenses began to adjust to the adjustments made by defenses to thwart the zone read. Though it's not worth going into all the specifics for the purposes of this post, check out this post from Smart Football about adding a pitch phase (usually the shovel option people loved so much at Florida) or bubble screen to the zone read to help control backside defenders that were making it difficult to run the zone read made so popular at Texas by Vince Young.

Besides his pure pedigree, what's most appealing about Hand is his philosophy about the modern-day spread offense. Compare this quote from Hand with a quote pulled from that famous Smart Football post about Boise State. First, Hand:

The first thing we look at is formations and how our formations affect the opposing defense...The last thing we look for is match-ups and how we can create favorable match-ups in our passing game through formations, motions, shifts, play actions, screens, etc.

Now, about Boise:

Boise specializes in getting defenses out of position to make plays by utilizing the three major essentials in offensive football:  numbers, leverage and grass.

Of course, these are things that most good offensive coaches attempt to do, but the point here is that both Hand and Harsin understand how essential they are and functionally employ that understanding in their offenses, something that couldn't be said about Greg Davis, who had one base formation and almost never used motion.

In case that leaves you wondering about how Hand's spread philosophy will help a Texas team seeking to develop a physical running style, here's more from Hand:

Probably the biggest change in spread offenses over the last decade is complexity and diversity of the run game out of traditional spread formations.  The incorporation of the option and the zone read concepts that have developed during that time have really revolutionized spread offenses. I also think that general perceptions of the spread being a ‘finesse-style’ offense have drastically changed during this evolution.  People now realize that you can have a very physical run game out of spread shotgun formations.

To sum things up with Hand, he believes in keeping his offenses simple and tailoring the schemes to the personnel, once again things that seem relatively obvious, but often concepts that only receive lip service. To see an offense that attempted to be something it couldn't with the available personnel, simply look at all the time Texas wasted last spring and fall trying to become a power-running team.

With Hand, the Longhorns would gain his incredibly invaluable experience with zone-blocking schemes developed under the master, Rick Trickett, as well as his ability to mold Harsin's multiple offense with his ideas about running a no-huddle offense with some spread and zone-read concepts to create a unit capable of exploiting the mismatches in space that made the spread offense so wildly successful upon it's widespread introduction to college football.

To sum it up, the combination of Bryan Harsin, Major Applewhite, and Herb Hand could produce one of the most unique and successful offenses in college football and after exploring Hand's philosophy and experience, there's no question that he fits extremely well with the other two. Along with Harsin, Hand could help establish the physical running game that Mack Brown wants, but bring it into the 21st century. In fact, there's no question that Hand is the best available candidate for the position at this time (yes, even better than Bostad), with his only downside being his lack of Texas ties, something covered up by hires like Darrell Wyatt, Bennie Wylie, and Bo Davis.

And if that still isn't enough to endear Herb Hand to you, dear Texas fan, when asked to choose a quarterback to run his spread offense in a hypothetical game to save Planet Earth against the University of Mars, Hand chose none other than Vince Young. 'Nuff said.

So, as Mack decides whether or not to talk to the Hand, consider this your Tuesday open thread for the never-ending search for the next Texas offensive line coach.

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the idea of continuing with a zone-blocking scheme makes me sick to my stomach….

by TheNapes on Jan 18, 2011 10:02 AM CST reply actions  

It's part of an arsenal

Not the primary engine. Harsin-Applewhite will utilize to probe and to exploit. There are times when, if successfully utilized, the scheme takes advantage of over pursuing defenders and leverages one-on-one matchups at the 2nd and 3rd level. These odds allow a downhill runner like Brown to punish smaller defenders or a shifty type back like Gray to out maneuver.

- Move along now

by TXStampede on Jan 18, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I would be suprrised if there's anyone in college football

who doesn’t use zone blocking to some extent. Even Wisconsin. It’s ubiquitous.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jan 18, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

We won a national championship

and darned near a second using zone blocking. It’s a matter of having the right horses.

We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 18, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

in 2009 our O-Line (and running game) were our biggest weaknesses… and 2005 i would say it was more about VY then our blocking scheme

by TheNapes on Jan 18, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Zone-blocking is a valid scheme

It was the implementation that made it inconsistent in 2009 and ineffective in 2010.

Just Harsin around.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 18, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Spoken like a guy

Who really has no idea what zone blocking means.

by CMDR on Jan 18, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

when was our O-Line a strength with zone blocking

apart from the 2005 and possibly 2006 season I can’t readily remember when our offensive line was a strength. we’ve had some great recruits that just were not consistent.. is that scheme or coaching? I don’t know. I’m not saying zone blocking won’t/doesn’t work, but it has had mixed success at Texas over the past few years, and our past experiences with a somewhat porous line which has primarily used zone blocking makes me not excited about continuing using the zone scheme primarily….

by TheNapes on Jan 18, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

What is your suggested

blocking scheme then if zone just don’t work?

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jan 18, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

i don't know

 I never said zone blocking doesn’t work.. I just said that it has given inconsistent results at texas, which I feel it has. perhaps, as you explained in your post below, it is more of a reach blocking that has driven me nuts, I’m not a coach nor do I have an extended background in scheming O-Lines. I am however smart enough to know that our O-Line, whether it be scheme, personnel, or coaching, has not consistently done a good enough job. Period.

by TheNapes on Jan 18, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Blame the scheme

GDGD repeatedly having Chris Hall attempt to reach block Suh and the ensuing disaster will tell you all you need to know about GDGD’s grasp of a running scheme, much less putting together a proper zone blocking run game.

The best example of a zone blocking scheme would be the Denver Broncos of the past when they were churning out 1000yd backs year after year no matter who was back there. I doubt anyone has anything negative to say about the effectiveness of that running game.

by CMDR on Jan 18, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

The Houston Texans

Just churned out the leagues leading rusher (undrafter FA) and somewhat resurrected Derrick Ward from the dead, using only a zone blocking scheme. That same scheme also allowed the immortal Steve Slaton, Mike Bell and Ruben Droughns to be 100+ yard backs. It involves having the right type of running back (one cut, downhill runner) to be successful. I don’t see many RBs from the past couple of years who have fit the system. I think Malcolm Brown will be a better fit for the zone blocking scheme.

by LouisianaTexan on Jan 19, 2011 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Suggested reading

This is a pretty good primer on zone blocking .

Especially the part subtitled Zone blocking takes a specific type of offensive lineman

I think it could be argued that our recent two OL’s were not suited for this type of scheme.

We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 18, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I think a lot of people

Feel like zone blocking is a type of admittance that you are not relying on out-talenting the opposition and instead relying on out-executing them. Obviously, this will evoke the aforementioned reaction of being “sick” in many Texas fans that don’t like the notion of not being able to out-talent the opposition and dominate in that manner. I believe this is an acceptable sentiment and I wouldn’t blame anybody who feels this way.

Additionally, zone blocking is associated with non-power football. Every supporter of zone blocking principles will tell you this is undoubtedly wrong, but the sentiment remains nonetheless and I would wholeheartedly agree that the actual players themselves do get a kick out of mano a mano blocking that insists on your brutalizing the guy in front of you. It’s a psychological thing and if you ask any offensive linemen, they can at least agree in principal that the argument of man on man blocking does indeed hold merit as a more physical and aggressive (mentally, not schematically) style.

I believe these are Napes’ problems with zone blocking, but another qualm that I have is it limits the type of OL you can recruit if you are going exclusively zone blocking. I personally like the concept of man blocking some plays and zone blocking others because it provides a wider range of recruiting resources, encourages schematic diversity, discourages predictability, and basically revolves around the thesis of offensive optimization that I believe all offenses unrestricted by resources or talent base (Texas, Bama, Florida, USC, tOSU, etc.) should strive for.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jan 18, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Excellent synopsis.

You’ve summed it up very well. “Non-power football” is exactly what most think of zone blocking.

by robthecob on Jan 18, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Boise State's running game under Harsin

used a mixture of man and zone blocking depending on the situation. I think the philosophy will be ‘do what you do best’ .

We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 18, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I really hope

That this is the strategy for UT (both kinds of blocking). Yeah it’s a little more complicated to learn and requires a lot of cohesion by the line, but it’s absolutely devastating offensively when you can both man and zone block competently, though not necessarily equally well.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jan 19, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

What you think was zone blocking

was really more reach blocking every plays. That happens when every run play other than your draw and counter are designed to get outside of the tackle or tight end. Zone blocking executed properly is about as good as it gets scheme wise.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jan 18, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

My understanding about zone blocking, generally:

The line is either moving left or right, but all in the same direction, with each lineman blocking the defender that ends up in front of him, while the RB runs laterally behind them waiting to pick a hole. I don’t think that’s what we ran this year (much, anyway) and thought more than once that zone blocking would have been a good scheme to exploit the talents of one DJ Monroe. Am I on the right track, Coach?

See ya later, alligator.

by Paleface Horn on Jan 18, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

That's a common misconception

Most zone plays actually start out as simple man-to-man. The uncovered linemen then zone with the lineman to their playside. The emphasis then is on combo blocks.

by CMDR on Jan 18, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

As CMDR stated,

You are on the right track with some things and others a little misconception. The best analogy I think there is are train tracks. Let’s say I am the right guard with a tight end to my side and I have a 3 tech over me (man on my outside shoulder). There will probably be a linebacker over center or slightly offput to the playside. More than likely there will either be a 7 tech (inside eye of TE) and a linebacker outside or a 9 tech (outside eye of TE) and a linebacker over the tackle for gap responsibility.

So, in zone blocking, the emphasis is on combo blocks. Ideally, the tackle and tight end are responsible for the End and OLB and the center and right guard are responsible for the 3 tech and the MLB. Like I said, the best analogy to use is train tracks. Let’s say I take my right zone step, which is just a lateral step right and the 3 tech slants inside. I know my center is taking that same step so he will now become responsible for the 3 and I will stay on my tracks which will take me up to the MLB because he has switched gap resonsibilites with the 3 who has slanted inside. Ideally, the center and right guard double team the 3 up to the MLB and one comes off depending on where the MLB is.

In the previous “zone” scheme, there was an emphasis on combo blocks I’m sure. However, when you are having to turn your zone into a reach and everyone on defense is flowing towards the outside run like they are it is hard to get the combo much less to get to the second level because linebackers are incidentally faster than linemen.

I know that was a lot and I apologize if I didn’t make it clear enough.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jan 18, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

To expand on the train track analogy

Obviously, on train tracks the train can only go straight ahead. Trains don’t go laterally once they are on the tracks. Only forward. Therefore, when a dlineman slants across your face you are still going to make a collision with him but you are not going to chase him backwards or laterally because of the center you have coming to work with you on the combo block.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jan 18, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

NP

I forgot to post, and this makes it much more clear, that you are going to the person who is on your train tracks. Once that 3 tech crosses your face he is off of them so while you will collision and try to double team him, not allowing him to slant, ultimately your new responsibility will become the Mike who is now on your train tracks with the switch of gap responsibility.

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Jan 18, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Great overview, GoBR

This guys has that “new car” smell to him. Outside of Strausser, Hand’s background has the best fit to the BSU style offense. But with significantly more exposure to various spread-option nuanced schemes. Gimme.

- Move along now

by TXStampede on Jan 18, 2011 10:07 AM CST reply actions  

BTW, any concerns about the "Boise" style of O

and Malcolm Brown being a good fit together?

2010/11 Final BCS* Standings
1. Auburn 14-0
2. TCU 13-0
*Wasn't this system designed to prevent this from happening?

by Mulliganville on Jan 18, 2011 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

We will see a new hybrid emerge

It will not be the BSU offense. Harsin said as much in the presser, “It will be the Texas System.”

A few months of lab work between Dr’s Harsin and Applwhite will produce a weapon of death.

Hang-ten.

- Move along now

by TXStampede on Jan 18, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Meanwhile...In the Longhorns Secret Underground Lair
A few months of lab work between Dr’s Harsin and Applewhite will produce a weapon of death.

"Sectional football games have the glory and the despair of war, and when a Texas team takes the field against a foreign state, it is an army with banners."
~John Steinbeck

by HazzardousHorns on Jan 18, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

If a line coach for the spread is the idea...

How about stealing Matt Moore from Tech? Granted, he played (at Valdosta St.) and coached (at Tech) under Leach, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. I think he’s been great for Tech’s line the past four seasons, and there’s a reason he was one of the only guys Tubs didn’t let go.

Just Harsin around.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 18, 2011 10:16 AM CST reply actions  

Also, while he doesn't have great connections to Texas

He does bring an established name in both Georgia and Alabama, which could potentially open up a line there.

Just Harsin around.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 18, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Hot stove league

This off-season has proved to be terrbily exciting given the last season. I have a feeling of optimism with the revamped staff and cannot wait until Spring Ball much less the next seaon which is less than 8 months away.

And the B-ball team is smoking., making for warm and fuzzies during these drizzly winter days…Hook ’Em

Pardon the typos. Where is the splchec?

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by Tex34xas on Jan 18, 2011 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

Cautiously optimistic here

We have made sooo many changes that we can’t expect everything to gel in several months. I’m afraid a true “re-building” year is upon us. But, I am very excited about what can be in 2012 especially with the great new recruits.

by Wrangler86 on Jan 18, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Excellent article GOBR, good sell on Hand

Hand would be a solid hire and fit in with the new staff.

The OL hire needs to happen by tomorrow to have everybody in place by the 21st.

by billfromlaketravis on Jan 18, 2011 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

Easy +1

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by run Bevo run on Jan 18, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a Household Name but

I like what you have presented on Hand GOBR. Tough to gauge if he will bring in recruits, or keep the ones we have, but anything is better than where we are now. Sounds like a solid coaching background and an upgrade to the O-Line coaching but I’m afraid he doesn’t have the WOW factor recruits long for.

All that aside, it may take a year to gel but 2012 could be a tremendous year for the Horns if they can figure out the QB position as well.

Coach ‘em up and turn ’em loose for 2011 and it will be an exciting season for sure – especially if he’s not afraid to play the younger guys.

“Where is Jeff Spicoli (insert UT players name here)? I saw him earlier today, near the first floor bathrooms, is he still on campus? Anyone?” – Mr. Hand from FTARH

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~John Steinbeck

by HazzardousHorns on Jan 18, 2011 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

I'm not concerned about our O-line coach being very attractive to recruits

let the other coaches take care of that… plus it’s Texas. I want an O-line coach that understands today’s offense, along with where the ideal offense is progressing. I want an O-line coach that can actually develop the linemen on the team, regardless of what star ranking they are. We don’t need 5-star linemen at every position to be able to run block and protect the QB. Just linemen that understand the fundamentals of blocking and don’t commit drive-killing penalties. Not giving Colt McCoy this protection cost him and his team at least one national championship.

by goingforthecorner on Jan 18, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

But Kids are Kids.

I’m not concerned with the recruiting angle as we have other coaches that can handle that. I want a coach to coach and like I stated, I like his background and his understanding of Modern Offense schemes unlike his predecessor. Development, as you stated, is the key. We need recruits to develop into 5 star rankings during their time on the 40 acres through coaching not diminish their skill set after 4 years as we have seen time and time again.

"Sectional football games have the glory and the despair of war, and when a Texas team takes the field against a foreign state, it is an army with banners."
~John Steinbeck

by HazzardousHorns on Jan 18, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Love your handle

Never heard that quote before. The very reason college football is the best spectator sport in the world. I wish there was some quota that teams had to fill of players from their home state.

by atxdman on Jan 18, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

Not sure where the quote comes from specifically. The downside of filling teams with a quota of players from their home state is that you would not have very many competitive football teams in D1. i.e. Colorado, Utah, Oklahoma, etc…

Texas – California – Florida rule the country in D1 athletes, all others are inferior overall.

"Sectional football games have the glory and the despair of war, and when a Texas team takes the field against a foreign state, it is an army with banners."
~John Steinbeck

by HazzardousHorns on Jan 18, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

& make it retroactive.

That’d take a few titles away from the poachers up north.

by robthecob on Jan 18, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

You make Hand sound so attractive,

one has to wonder why he was apparently the 5th or 6th choice. And why did you have to mention the words “bubble screen.”?

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by OBdoc on Jan 18, 2011 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

Oregon sure knew how to use that shovel pass in the MNC.

Sports is man's joke on God, You see, God says to man, 'I've created a universe where it seems like everything matters, where you'll have to grapple with life and death and in the end you'll die anyway, and it won't really matter.' So man says to God, 'Oh, yeah? Within your universe we're going to create a sub-universe called sports, one that absolutely doesn't matter, and we'll follow everything that happens in it as if it were life and death.'" - Sam Kellerman

by 2Cor12:9 on Jan 18, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Both can be beautiful plays

if they’re executed properly against the right defensive alignment. We might see one or two of each next year.

We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 18, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually alot of good words have acquired negative and painful connotations

in the last 12 months or so: bubble screen, wide receiver screen, horizontal passing game, horizontal running game, power running game, running backs, tight ends, shovel pass, red zone, false starts, punt return, tipped pass, faked punt, faked field goal, et al.

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by OBdoc on Jan 18, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I will add to your list of negative, and very painful, connotation words.

Greg Davis. Offensive Coordinator.

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by OnMySignal on Jan 18, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that I don't share your optimism

but out of curiosity, when Gus Malzahn was brought to Auburn, why wasn’t hand brought along as well?

by drbadass on Jan 18, 2011 1:19 PM CST reply actions  

Herb Hand Twitters

http://twitter.com/CoachHand

He said he is excited to be a Commodore again. But he was also at the meetings in Dallas so maybe that is where the interest occured.

by Wrangler86 on Jan 18, 2011 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

It’s interesting that we can fill some vacancies in a day, but we have a slew of top candidates for OL coach turning down fat raises and similar posts at one of the highest profile schools in the business. The cause for this disparity, I have no idea.

by Tackchevy on Jan 18, 2011 2:32 PM CST reply actions  

i am just a fan but

bubble screen, spread, and zone blocking make me want to puke. I dont like this at all and i dont give a crap if supposed zone blocking won us a NC, i dont think it did rather VY made that happen more than zone blocking.

Every year it seems we watch spread teams blaze and dominate in their respective conferences and than get smashed to pretty finesse filled pieces by big maulers from the SEC. I dont see how this is going to change anytime soon. i dont know, im probably just knee-jerking here thanks to the last few years of these poorly executed ideas but i just dont like it.

by dukeoforange on Jan 18, 2011 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

I have no problem

With your not liking “spread” or “zone blocking,” but the bubble screen is a devastating play with the kinds of guys Texas has lined up at WR for the next few years. Unfortunately, Texas under Greg Davis simply had no concept of how to properly execute the screen game. While almost every other team has their WR actually moving upfield when catching the ball, Texas’ are at a standstill. That combined with little to zero WR blocking = our offense the last couple seasons…

by GoHornsGo90 on Jan 18, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think it's as much the execution of them as much as the frequency of their use.

Seems like UT was constantly getting tackled behind the line with it cuz the defense expected it so much.. If they woulda run it, say, just 2 times a game, I think it woulda been fine. But it seemed like it was run in almost every single series as a staple play. & Colt McCoy was so quick & accurate with it, that GD kept using it. Tony Romo’s hands are also super-quick & accurate with this play, maybe the only one I’ve ever seen quicker than Colt. Part of Gilbert’s problem is that he’s just not quick enough to make this work as well, & the WR has to wait just a bit longer, which only helps the defense. “90” & “GoBR” are right: It’s a good play when executed correctly. Just don’t run it quite so much!

by robthecob on Jan 18, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Astoundingly

It seemed like GD never actually ran the play for the correct reasons, despite how often he employed it. At the beginning of the season it was essentially our staple play and we’d use it to start seemingly every drive. At the end of the season, the play was nowhere to be found even with our small, shifty, and fast receivers (Hales, Davis, Quise, Monroe if he were to get some run) and despite DL teeing off on Gilbert due to no run threat. All the great Tech offenses had this down pat—they’d run their quick passing game to start, then start looking more downfield, then when the defense started bringing a lot of guys upfield, they’d keep them honest with those perfectly-timed bubble screens that they blocked impeccably.

It’s still incredible to me that GD couldn’t figure out how to use the play as a pressure-beater or that punishing the rush is the primary focus and most efficacious use of the play in the first place! Unreal.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jan 19, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

The point here isn't running bubble screens

to wear out opposing defenses by making them run horizontally, the point is to option off defenders and diversify the zone read series to keep defenses honest and if you run the zone read, you’re a fool not to include the bubble screen with it because otherwise you just aren’t helping yourself offensively as much as you could be.

I understand the PTSD associated with Greg Davis and bubble screens, but to completely remove them from your offense just because Davis didn’t know how to use them effectively isn’t smart football.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jan 18, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This.

"Beautiful despair is hearing Dylan when you're drunk at 3 a.m. Knowing that the chances are no matter what you'll never write like him." Rodney Crowell: Beautiful Despair, 2005.

by lnghrn53 on Jan 18, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

This is compounded by the fact that I could change the channel..

and watch teams executing bubble screens in every other game without disaster.

I remember back in 2005/2006 watching USC running bubble screens and being blown away by the blocking their WR’s put down resulting big gains.

Stark contrast to our sad attempts of late.

by notsofst on Jan 18, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand tue logic

I am just skeptical until I see it work week in and week out. I still don’t think the spread holds up well against dominant d’s like a power/pro style does but I don’t have numbers to back that up (just OUsux and the like getting wrecked by Florida/any SEC team).

by dukeoforange on Jan 18, 2011 4:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Not a very good example

OU is a multiple team like Boise is, although they incorporate many spread principles. Florida, the winner of the game, is the team that used the spread/zone blocking. OTOH, if you were to argue that OU outplayed Florida for much of the game and would have won with their fast paced/multiple offense (what I’d assume Texas eventually wants to have) if not for a few unfortunate RZ turnovers, then I could see where you were coming from.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jan 19, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

my apologies

my memory mislead me on that one. On a side note, remember that time OUsux got blown out by florida?

by dukeoforange on Jan 19, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Bama ran zone down your throat

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 18, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

BIg

corn feed linemen are needed for a run game. with the speed of defenses these days, imo, you better have a qb that can run the read or read bubble to keep the back side of the def honest. I was watching the A&M game and we ran zone away from TE and guess who made the play….yep the BS end, because our TE let him just cross his face. That happened more then once. If your lineman stick to their rules, then zone is a great play. It helps to have a RB with good vision as well

by badabling on Jan 18, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions  

Bad Aibling is a touristy area of Bayern (Bavaria) in Germany

There also used to be an NSA facility there, where a number of my friends worked, but it was shut down.

Just Harsin around.

by burntorangehorn on Jan 18, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Lots of PTSD responses here...

“I understand the PTSD associated with Greg Davis and bubble screens, but to completely remove them from your offense just because Davis didn’t know how to use them effectively isn’t smart football.”

This. Watching other teams this past season with competent OC’s I saw WR screens, zone blocking, and other favorites of GD work very well. It is how they are used. For example, when you have credible running and deep passing threats and your WR’s actually block for each other, WR screens are very effective.

Let’s have a little faith in our new coaches and see what they can do.

by hh500 on Jan 19, 2011 6:19 AM CST reply actions  

I trust Mack explicitly

I’d trust him with my first born, seriously. I just want to see the success of these things. Call me cautiously guarded. I assure you if we come out in the first game and rip off a 25 yard run or catch off one of these elements i will be ecstatic i am just at a point where seeing is the only form of believing for me.

by dukeoforange on Jan 19, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

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