2012 class and scholarship limits...UPDATED
by TowerPower on Jan 20, 2011 11:01 AM CST
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PrintTexas ended the year with 85 on scholarship (including Sherrod Harris) and will lose 14 Seniors plus Aaron Williams to the NFL Draft. While some scholarships were awarded to Marquise Goodwin (had track scholly) and John Gold (PK), and I don't know the full details on those, the numbers still seem wrong. Basically I just don't understand how we are able to offer 23-25 scholarships this year? By my calculations we are only losing 14 Seniors (including Sherrod but not Blaine Irby or Tray Allen) and Aaron Williams to the draft, so shouldn't it be around 15 not 23? Am I missing something....I'm just not sure where they are able to take their 23 verbal commits plus they also have 2 other offers standing with out pulling scholarship like Alabama does...help me understand this please if you can.
update: many of you pointed out that while I mentioned Gold I forgot to eliminate his scholarship, and that Tre Newton's medical situation frees up another spot. So by my count, we're losing 15 Seniors, Aaron Williams to the NFL, and Tre Newton to medical, that still only adds up to 17 where did the other 6-8 come from/go?
update 2: apparently we lost Tariq Allen, Tevin Mims, Tyrell Higgins for person reasons (grades/family problems/ect) SO the count is now 17 Seniors, 1 to NFL, and 4 others (including Newton) which equals 20 scholarships, still looking for 2 (since Westerman's out) but could get 2 more to go to 24, but I feel a lot better now thanks for those of you who contributed.
Final Anaylsis
Texas began the season with 85 but then Sherrod Harris left for family reasons and his scholarship was awarded to the walk-on SR punter John Gold which kept us at 85, and then UT lost SR RB Vondrell McGee to grades which left UT at 84 for the year. After the season Texas lost 15 Seniors (including Gold), 1 Junior to the NFL, 1 to Medical (too many concussions), and 3 more for personal reasons (grades, legal, or family issues). So by my count the Texas scholarship budget is 84-15-1-1-3=64-85=-21
Currently Texas has 22 verbal commits and still 2 outstanding offers, but only a budget of 21. Same thing happened last year, we were over by 2 until Carter and Wells and transferred, I assume another 1 or 2 players will do the same this year. Once again thanks for all who contributed, over by 1 isn't that big of a deal, check out oversigning.com and see how many of the SEC are over from 5 to 14 scholarships.
These links are almost all correct one simply removed all the non-Seniors who left (which makes if difficult to calculate) and the other still has old info and doesn’t include Gold’s awarded scholarship or the players who have left, and neither have updated the latest departure of Tariq Allen.
Links
http://www.insidetexas.com/football/football.php?pg=fb_roster
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1096572
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Don't forget guys like Tre Newton
Not sure if your numbers also included Tevin Jackson, Derek Johnson, and others like that.
Just Harsin around.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 20, 2011 11:39 AM CST reply actions
I thought Trey Newton was to stay on scholarship...
http://mackbrown-texasfootball.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tex-m-footbl-mtt.html
I got the list from here only the one with the * are not on scholarship why are Tevin Jackson and Derek Johnson no longer counted?
I was under the impression that he would not count against the limit because he wasn't going to be on the team.
by Texas Wahoo on Jan 20, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
As Wahoo and JRA said, Newton won't count against the limit
Guys who stop playing for medical reasons can still receive a scholarship from the school, if the school desires, but don’t count against the limit.
Derek Johnson left for good. Tevin Jackson is academically ineligible right now, and has yet to be reinstated, I believe. I’m not sure what his status looks to be for 2011.
GoBR, and word?
Just Harsin around.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 20, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Attrition.
John Gold was a senior, so if he isn’t in your group of 14 then he should be. So, there is 15 spots.
Aaron Williams to draft. 16 spots.
Each year it is expected to lose ~10% of scholarship players to transfers, grades, criminal justice system. 0.1*85= ~8
16+8=24.
8.5 players per year to those three things?
That seems a bit high, no?
Just Harsin around.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 20, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds about right to me, if not higher.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 20, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
We had 85 on scholarship starting the season
Sherrod Harris and Derek Johnson were not among the 85. They quit in the summer, and those schollies went to Gold and Higgins.
I believe your count on seniors is correct. Attrition since the start of the 2009 season includes Aaron Williams (NFL), Higgins (not sure), Newton (injury), Mims (grades). There may be more; I suspect there are.
With Westerman’s de-commitment, we’re 22 due to sign, so we’re 4 or 5 over (give or take). Four members of the class of 2011 are already in school (Diggs, Ash, Moss, McFarland).
Further attrition will bring the number down to 85 (probably below that) by July. I won’t name names, but we can all look at the roster on MB-TF, see who’s gone, who’s sure to start or play a lot, who’s highly regarded . . . and kinda deduce by the remainder who will be attrition candidates.
Calvin Howell is still listed on the roster
I though I read somewhere that he was going to transfer.
We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 20, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Tried to find my source but apparently unconfirmed rumor
Hate it when I do that.
We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 20, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
I love all things UT athletics
This is one area I cannot wrap my brain around. I’ve never understood the attraction on speculating which kid is getting a scholly and which is left to pay their public education. I also think it borders on not being our business, but to each their own.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
I think it's more a matter of just wanting the team to fit under the limit
I really would like all these kids to get their education for free, as long as they actually take it seriously.
Just Harsin around.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 20, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Totally agree, I too wish all of these kids could get a free ride.
I just know there is a person with a nice office in Bellmont that gets to worry about this and at the end of the day, it gets taken care of.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 20, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
I don't care which kids have scholarships...
I just LOATH oversigning it is the main reason I HATE Bama check out oversigning.com for more info, they praise the Big Ten and Texas alot and I wanted to know our situation this year not pry into the personal business of the kids, in my opinion if you keep good grades, stay out of trouble, and go to practice you should be able to keep your scholarship regardless of your playing time/ability, and I would be upset to see Texas pushing kids out the door like Bama does.
So would it be safe to say that when Mack
retires you don’t want Saban as his replacement?
Sports is man's joke on God, You see, God says to man, 'I've created a universe where it seems like everything matters, where you'll have to grapple with life and death and in the end you'll die anyway, and it won't really matter.' So man says to God, 'Oh, yeah? Within your universe we're going to create a sub-universe called sports, one that absolutely doesn't matter, and we'll follow everything that happens in it as if it were life and death.'" - Sam Kellerman
And BTW eun Bevo run...
I just know there is a person with a nice office in Bellmont that gets to worry about this and at the end of the day, it gets taken care of.
This is one of the most unsettling quotes I’ve ever read from a UT fan
WE SHOULD HOLD OURSELVES TO HIGHER STANDARDS
Unless you're Tom Hicks, Red McCombs, Joe Jamail, etc
You’re opinion holds no water at Bellmont. Deloss holds our standards, not you.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 21, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Hold ourselves to higher standards?
This is just counting scholarships. The only standard involved in this context is whether or not Texas gets under the scholarship limit.
If that quote was unsettling to you, you’re tilting at windmills.
Just Harsin around.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 22, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
so you like they way Bama...
oversigns recruits, forces them to transfer, gray shirts, medical red shirts kids just because they aren’t all stars….if so then great…but I think Texas like Ohio St and others should strive to do the right thing regarding these young men not like Saban does who couldn’t give a crap about them after they’ve signed, this is amateur sports not professional sports and everyone should treat it as so…if you disagree so be it but I find it morally wrong, and if it was your kid getting cut I bet you would too.
Texas doesn't oversign and force kids out
And doesn’t “cut” kids. Please remind me of the last time Texas did what Saban does.
If you can’t tell the difference between telling guys like Buckner and Davis to leave because of their legal problems and signing 35 recruits, then that’s definitely a standard that should be re-evaluated.
Just Harsin around.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 22, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
I never said Texas did...
but I wanted someone to explain how we get these numbers because it didn’t add up to me…
Read what I’ve said
in my opinion if you keep good grades, stay out of trouble, and go to practice you should be able to keep your scholarship regardless of your playing time/ability
Buckner and Davis obviously don’t fit into that category.
The reason for this post was to inquire how we do things, I’m sure from all I’ve heard we are fine a don’t do what Bama does, but I wanted to know for sure, it seems that no one can’t answer this question definitively.
To say someone will get this taken care of is disturbing because it implies somehow the numbers will change which make me think of Bama…
I'm not sure how much you've been around BON the past few years...
…but this is a topic of discussion every single year—actually, there are often several such fanposts each year, usually one right after bowl season, one sometime during spring practice, and one in July or August. I’ve even posted one myself. And the fact is, the numbers inevitably work out. It happens. Some of it happens because guys like Robert Joseph, Andre Hall, and Ramonce Taylor lose their effing minds, while sometimes it’s a kid like Sherrod Harris who realizes he has to re-prioritize things.
You know how every NFL team has at least one guy who is a professional “capologist,” knowing and exploiting all the ins and outs of the salary cap to ensure compliance while maximizing the team’s desired spending power? Well, this is significantly less complicated than that, and rBr is right: there’s someone on the issue. Each year, the roster reflects a compliant situation, because, well, attrition happens.
Just Harsin around.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2011 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
You've completely misinterpreted rBr's statement.
“…it gets taken care of.”
simply meant that the numbers & scholarship limits seem to work out each year and one person is ultimately in charge of figuring it out. It doesn’t mean that he thought anything is being done illegally or unethically. You jumped to a wrong conclusion. And to drag Alabama & Saban into it was pretty far-fetched.
I think you guys are ragging on him too much..
The whole it gets taken care of kind of at least in my mind has the connotation of hook or crook we will get it done. No one is saying we are saban or that texas has not handled it well in the past.
I totally disagree
My pulic university is giving full ride scholarships to these kids. I want to know who they are and what is up with them. As an alumni, as a donor, and as a fan I have the right to know as much as possible. Maybe not their grades or their personal health issues, but pretty much everything else. If they don’t like it they shouldn’t apply to play Div. 1 football on a scholarship.
That's one of the most asinine things I've ever seen someone write.
When my kid becomes QB of the Longhorns and you make such demands, I will place a bat across your kneecaps. If you don’t like that, you should quite donating.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 21, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Talk about asinine...
The kids that get full schollies at UT are already supervised & held accountable as reps of the university. Next time you’re at a game, pick up a media guide and find out “who they are” and “what is up with them”.
Oh, & if you place a bat across his kneecaps, you’d go to jail. Are you friends with Tonya Harding?
There is a difference in
“Hey Case, fill out this questionnaire so UT fans can get to know you better,” and “Hey Garrett, I’m a donor so I need you to tell me what you ate for lunch.”
I trust the staff to supervise and hold the kids accountable, not donors and alumni.
I’ve been to jail. I wouldn’t hesitate to go back if someone came between me and my kids.
"I live in the tower with Coach Brown." -Bevo
by run Bevo run on Jan 23, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's obvious that these kids are already held to a higher standard than many students
I’m sure each of us has known kids on full academic scholarship as well as kids on full athletic scholarship. If a kid on scholarship for physics gets a DUI/DWI, (s)he faces legal consequences, but unless there was a big wreck, major injury, or death, the university’s really not even going to find out about it, and it’s certainly not going to be all over the news and internet. If a second-string Longhorn football player gets a DUI/DWI, that kid’s going to be suspended from the team for at least a couple of games, his name will be in the news, etc.
Just Harsin around.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 23, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Don't kids that are on medical redshirts not count toward the 85 man roster
So I’m sure there are probably 5 or 6 kids a season that won’t be on the active roster but still have a schollie, right?
I thought we were good on space but this doesn’t sound good based on these calculations.
This is true
Medical hardships (there is no real ‘medical redshirt’ per se) can be granted to players who play in 30% or less of their team’s games. Players that miss the entire season do not count against the 85 scholarship limit. It’s kind of interesting that Alabama has awarded at least 12 of these since 2007.
We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 20, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
According to ($) OB.com, Tariq Allen has left the program so that's one scholarship that is free.
So along with Tevin Mims and Tyrell Higgins three scholarships have opened up.
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