Jeff Madden Reportedly Out As S&C Coach
Rumors have been swirling about the possible departure or reassignment of long-time Texas strength and conditioning coach Jeff Madden. The last member of Mack Brown's inner circle -- Cleve Bryant is on administrative leave and may not return pending the result of the investigation against him and Greg Davis resigned -- Madden has been with Brown since their days at North Carolina.
After Will Muschamp's departure, the rumors about Mad Dog being ousted as S&C coach died down a bit, as it seems that Muschamp wasn't a big fan of Madden. However, Recruitocosm has been reporting for a month or more that Madden will not be in his current position when Texas takes the field against Rice this fall. Now, Alan Trubow of Hookem is weighing in on the matter ($), confirming the reports by Recruitocosm. However, as of this writing, it does not appear that the major news outlets have reported the story (although Orangebloods will probably have something shortly) and there has been no official announcement by the school.
From certain corners of the internet, most specifically Barking Carnival, Madden has been under attack for some time. The lack of a nutritionist specialist with the school is particularly alarming and the fact that players like Cody Johnson and John Chiles are now notably slower than when they entered the program is alarming as well. Throw in the lack of development by the Texas offensive line -- players like Kyle Hix didn't look like they developed physically at all during their time at Texas and the case against Madden gets stronger.
As mentioned in the linked article above at Recruitocosm, Dick Tomey had to take over the strength and conditioning program in 2004 when he came into the program and, perhaps not coincidentally, the Texas defense lost its reputation for being a soft group at that time. The other problem, according to Recruitocosm, is that Madden provided little oversight in the weight room, leaving it upon the players to make sure that they did their workouts correctly. Considering that the strength and conditioning coach spends more time with the players throughout the year than any other coach on the staff, the lack of leadership and accountability at that position is absolutely inexcusable.
The expectation here is that Brown wants to at least keep around one member of his now decimated inner circle and Madden looks likely to be the choice and land in an administration position.
As for potential replacements, the top name out there is that of LSU S&C coach Tommy Moffitt, who is perhaps the Todd Wright of college football. A guy who has been named the top S&C coach in both high school and college football, Moffitt has been at LSU for the last 10 years and has coached four national championship teams. Unlike Mad Dog, Moffitt focuses on nutrition, flexibility, core strength, and balance, including both yoga and karate into his program. The speculation for some time has been that it would be difficult to get Moffitt to leave Baton Rouge, but his connections to Bo Davis, who coached with him for some time at LSU, may help the Longhorns convince Moffitt to leave his comfort zone there.
Another possibility is current Tennessee S&C coach Bennie Wylie, who fits the profile of recent hires by Mack Brown because he is a young up-and-comer in the business. Only 33 years old, Wylie is in his first year at Tennessee after spending seven years under Mike Leach at Texas Tech and also has experience in the NFL working with the Dallas Cowboys. And though he wouldn't be directly involved in recruiting, the fact that he is a Texas native who went to college in Texas (Sam Houston State), probably doesn't hurt as well.
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Trubow is an AAS reporter and Hookem is an AAS-affiliated property.
And on top of that, BevoBeat on the AAS picked up the Hookem.com story. Seems like this is more mainstream than anything else we’ve been seeing.
Agreed
Didn’t check AAS right before I published.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jan 4, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
"Mecca of college sports"
Bennie has his UTs confused.
In Mack Brown We Trust!
get it straight
First of all, get facts before you report. I happen to KNOW that for the last several years, Maddog has used intensive core training, kettle bells, yoga, pilates, sledgehammers, rope training and martial arts in addition to the mainstay hardcore Olympic lifting and strength training regimen. He also uses a variety of conditioning methods including agility drills, ladders, jump ropes, running drills, and team competitions to build team work.
Also, a coach can’t account for a players’ laziness and lack of ability to do what he’s told to get better.
by hornsinsider on Jan 4, 2011 4:47 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Mad Dog?
Is that you?
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 4, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Also, a coach can’t account for a players’ laziness and lack of ability to do what he’s told to get better.
Thats his job though is it not? To make sure they are putting in work and getting better.
What?
The strength and conditioning coach monitoring the strength and conditioning program? You are one crazy guy.
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 4, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
You are right on that point TG37
It is his job. And Mack´s job to make sure he does his job. But the charges in some blogs is gross laziness, gross unprofessionalism, and I sincerely hope there is substance behind the charges.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
+ 1 million - and I hope this is responsible journalism
I agree completely – and have read the stuff particularly at Recruitocasm and BC that have been super damaging to Mad Dog. The stuff attacks his professionalism, would severely hamper his future opportunities – so I really hope they are facts and not just pure garbage.
The second thing, if true – Mack should be fired as well – because the gross negligence asserted in those blogs shows a rot of discipline to the core. No oversight, no professionalism. (and I am a huge Mack Brown fan).
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
I think you're right
Somehow hearsay becomes fact, and fact becomes the windmill at which people tilt. Madden wasn’t doing as well as S&C coach anymore, so I’m glad the program’s going another direction now, but the guy wasn’t some feckless hack with no competency in the field of S&C, just like Greg Davis wasn’t with respect to offense.
The Passion of the Chryst
by burntorangehorn on Jan 4, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
But comfort breeds complacency. Both men were seeming to be way too comfortable in their respective positions. Maybe Coach Brown realized just how comfortable everybody was when the team went 5-7.
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 4, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
I have no doubt that complacency was an enormous problem for the team
The Passion of the Chryst
by burntorangehorn on Jan 4, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
I look at results
and the facts are 1) people ran right up the middle and overpowered our defensive front seven for the better part of last year and 2) the offensive line has been physically whipped for the better part of three years now. I’m talking seniors who couldn’t/can’t hold their own physically against underclassmen. The UCF game last year was an embarrassment, to name one.
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by SpiritOfTheFedora on Jan 4, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
With all due respect
If you read the post, the author is simply reporting what others have published. He asserts no facts as his own.
If you’d like to go on the record and talk with us about a different side to the story, send us an email: burntorangenation-at-gmail-dot-com
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Don't think that will happen
This guy’s just joined and this is his first post. I imagine he will disappear into the night.
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 4, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Agree Completely on BON
That BON has been a moderate, thoughtful commentator throughout this disaster of a season. You guys have provide perspective and not mindless rants.
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Thanks Peter
As one of the few people on the site (maybe only) who has had the pleasure of playing for Mack Brown and training under Jeff Madden this thread really has gone too far and is nothing but rubbish. Anyone who has never been coached by “Da Dawg” has some serious (insert expletive here) gall to pretend like they know what really happens in that weight room. Believe me my body still remembers the H.A.W (Hard Ass Work) from my playing days, and to this day I still give him and his staff on the S&C team tons of credit for my improved play on the field. I find it sad that people take such pleasure in trashing someone’s reputation behind the anonymity of their smart phone or personal computer.
Mackovic, IIRC
The Passion of the Chryst
by burntorangehorn on Jan 4, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Appreciate the insight, you should post more often.
I've been fueling my dreams eating greens and beans...
What about SneezyBeltran?
And, with your name, I assumed that you played in the band, like I did.
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Kettle Bells?
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Yeah, you know, like the Salvation Army uses.
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Jan 4, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Those things are terrific
I use them for discus and hammer turns, among other things. They would’ve saved me a cut wrist or two if I’d known about them sooner.
The Passion of the Chryst
by burntorangehorn on Jan 4, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
I certainly do apologize for the "unlike Madden" jab
which was probably a little too far and can’t be supported with the knowledge that I do have about the Texas strength and conditioning program. What I have heard from people who would know is that Madden hasn’t always worked particularly hard at staying up to date with advances in his field and the lack of a team nutritionist is highly alarming to me at a school with the resources of Texas.
Furthermore, I appreciate you sharing the type of detailed information that is hard to come by on the outside looking in.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Jan 4, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But how does he know?
He has only just joined SBN to post this information. There is no hard information to refute what you are saying. Only that he “knows” what Madden has been doing. Is this person trustworthy?
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by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 4, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think there might actually be a team nutritionist, or a staff that works with the athletic department. But how they interact, support, etc. the S&C program makes a huge difference and you are right about addressing if that is/has been an issue.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
I seem to recall a video report during fall camp last year
where the team nutritionist, or consultant, took players to the grocery store and showed them the proper foods to buy and why. Later that night I headed to the grocery store to try my hand at what I learned only to receive an “I” after heading straight for the Oreo aisle.
I don't claim to be an expert,
but I feel like stamina is a bigger problem with our athletes than short burst strength. I wonder if the program focuses too much on fast glycolytic (fatigable) fiber development and not enough on fast oxidative fibers.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
fast glycolytic (fatigable) fiber development and not enough on fast oxidative fibers
You can only focus on this to a certain amount. Fast twitch and slow twitch fibers are hereditary. You can do targeted training and develop what you have, but you can’t create more of either, like you can muscle mass.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
I know
I didn’t mean make new fibers, I meant train the ones that are already there. Just like you don’t increase your number of fat cells, but you can make them bigger or smaller.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
By development,
I meant conditioning, not synthesis.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
but there is actually some emerging evidence
that training can influence the distribution of fiber types in muscles.
Just one example of such a study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280565/
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Influence, not create, which I eluded to with the targeted training comment.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
Right, I was just saying the conventional wisdom is changing, but they’re finding out that fibers can change types. Wasn’t sure if you had seen those studies as it was news to me. Last time I had studied the subject was intro neuroscience at UT in ’03. BIO365R I believe it was called.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
I’ve seen them. There is still nothing completely definitive that they change types. One of the best resources is the NSCA and their journal.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
Coming back to my original point before a full out nerd-off ensues...
Regardless of whether new evidence has become accepted or is conclusive, isn’t there an argument that our S&C program should take these things into account. It just seems to me that our players fatigue faster than players on other teams. Cody Johnson for example versus power backs on other teams.
Have you noticed that, too, or am I just imagining things.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
You're right
It did seem that the horizontal passing and running game that was designed to “wear out” UCLA, et al, wore us out instead.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
This year was a little different since, seeming, the leadership evaporated.
But Texas has been the best finishing team in the nation from 2004-2009. Think of all the ridiculous comebacks that Vince and, especially, Colt led. Even the sooners & buckeyes folded under those comebacks in ‘08 and, along w/ UT, they’re probably 2 of the top 5 performing teams of the last half-decade. I don’t think you can blame any stamina problems on Mad Dog unless you also give him credit for all the dozens of times the Horns have drove every other team into the ground in the 4th Qtrs of games.
I should have been more clear about this,
but I was limiting my analysis to the past season. Let it be noted on the record that I am not making any conclusions, I am merely asking questions and offering hypotheses based on my observations the goals being (1) someone who has some insight will come forward with some information to either support or refute them and (2) to generate some interesting discussion.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
No problem.
I like the ‘aura’ of Mad Dog AND I think he’s done a great job. However, ain’t nothing wrong with shaking up a college football staff every once in awhile. Maybe the Horns just need a change.
The Point
I love when someone gets the point. You are SO correct he (Jeff) is not responsible for lazy and shiftless players. Passion, Drive, and Work ethic is something a player has or wants and when there is a lack of it there is nothing a coach can do to make the player get better and unfortunately these players are in every program. You guys make it seem like being on scholarship at the U is like being in prison, LOL hardly, free will does exist, so yes that means some players skirt the underbelly of the behemoth while others rise to the top and excel. The trick is always evaluating talent before they step foot on the campus to make sure that you did not purchase fools gold. So if we really want to point fingers that’s the place to start.
When did you play?
Why did Tomey have to take over in 2004? Why did he give Madden a failing grade now? Why are players timing their workouts to ensure Madden isn’t there when they are?
Maybe things have changed since you played.
Interesting that this account was created today just to post this defense of coach Madden...
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 4, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
psst
Basketball tonite. Pass it on.
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Game thread posts at 6:30
Didn’t have time for a preview today unfortunately.
Short version: limit turnovers, defend Clark from downtown and win the transition game.
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Rumor going around that Texas has asked permission to speak with Tommy Moffitt (LSU) about the open S&C coach position.
From JS:
Moffitt of LSU is in play as S&C replacement for Madden-considered the creme de la creme of S&C coaches.Tx asks permission to talk.
From Ketch:
Our LSU pub has some really interesting info on Tommy Moffitt and the Longhorns http://tinyurl.com/2ev4l2l
MartiMar found this Moffitt off-season workout youtube video. “Nothing can stop you if you believe”!
Sort of off-topic
but is there any news regarding who we’re interested in coaching special teams? I miss the days where UT was a threat to block any punt or field goal.
And yeah… wouldn’t mind stopping the whole defensive backs being our primary punt/kick off returners thing either.
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