TCU Will Join Big 12 in 2012
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Oct 10, 2011 6:22 PM CDT
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PrintOn July 1, 2012, the Big 12 conference will replace one Texas school with another. In a news conference Monday evening in Irving, Texas, the Big 12 and TCU announced that the school will, as expected, join the conference less than a week after news broke that the Horned Frogs were extended an invitation to replace Texas A&M when the Aggies leave for the SEC.
TCU will become the first new member institution for the Big 12 since the league's inception in 1996, when the Big 8 and SWC conferences merged and kicked the Horned Frogs to the curb. Since then TCU has journeyed from conference to conference, trying to once again run with the big boys -- from Conference USA to the Mountain West to the Big East, in which TCU never competed.
Credit the TCU football program led by Gary Patterson as the primary reason for the move, as the Horned Frogs have finished in the top 10 each of the last three seasons -- the only school in the country to do so. As a result, the school has been able to begin work on expanding Amon G. Carter Stadium, a necessary move to compete in the arms race currently sweeping high-level college football.
Here's what Chancellor Vincent Boschini had to say:
Joining the Big 12 connects us not only to schools with whom we share a rich tradition in sports, but also to schools committed to academic excellence. Over the past six years, TCU has seen unprecedented success in academics and athletics. Participating in this conference allows us to strengthen the core of the TCU experience, which includes providing students with major opportunities in a personalized environment. It is very much in line with our overall goal to create a world-class university.
If Missouri decides to stay in the conference -- still up in air -- the Big 12 will mostly likely decide to remain at 10 teams. Your move, Mizzou.
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One of the best possible replacements for A&M
Assuming that TCU can stay consistent and as outstanding as they have been in recent years, this is one of the best moves that the BXII could have made in terms of athletics. We now have another serious program in our conference.
by TheHornIdentity on Oct 10, 2011 6:36 PM CDT reply actions
Welcome TCU
The school may not be the most valuable replacement for A&M, but it’s a good step in the right direction. If the conference can pick up BYU, it would be good. From there, the Big 12 could sit at a valuable number and wait and pick the last member to bring in to live up to the conference’s name again.
If some other programs in the Big 12 get their third tier rights making them as much as they can, the conference would essentially be on the level of the SEC if the 12th chosen is good enough.
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by Darklust on Oct 10, 2011 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Alriiiiiiiiiiiight!
Welcome back, TCU!!! We’ve missed you since the ’ole SWC!
a good day...
… for the big 12 and for TCU fans. they deserve to be in a BCS league and its great that they went with the big 12. we can renew old rivalries. i really looking forward to watching TCU play us regularly
by vanterminatorhorn on Oct 10, 2011 6:37 PM CDT reply actions
and oh yeah...
… tradeups are awesome :)
by vanterminatorhorn on Oct 10, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
TCU tells Big East exit fee will not be a problem
Will send check July 2, 2012
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Ah, the benefits of being a private school
And no one knowing how much money you really have. My guess that is all coming out of petty cash, or a lot of alumni got together and said, "We want back in with our old pals. I wouldn’t worry about that exit fee if I were you, Mr. Athletic Director.
If you watch "The Lord of the Rings" backwards it's about this little dude that finds a really cool ring in a volcano and spends the rest of the three movies walking home.
Thank God
we got a great school to join our conference. Texas-OU saved the day again. If you told me I could swap Aggie for TCU I’d make that trade in a heart beat…. Theyve been top 10 for the last 3 years? Thats phenomenal. When was the last time Aggie finished the season top 10?
Top ten last 3 years,
and coached by a KSU grad. I’m still pissed we didn’t hire Patterson when Snyder quit the first time, in 2005.
Patterson will win the conference for TCU within 3 years.
oh hail the Purple and White
That's a pretty bold prediction
Possible, but I don’t see it as likely.
by TwoPalePonies on Oct 11, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Welcome our Frogs of War brothers and sisters
TCU stabilizes the conference at a critical time.
by billfromlaketravis on Oct 10, 2011 6:49 PM CDT reply actions
Goodbye Aggy, hellp Froggy...
Next question: 10 or 12?
11 with a wait and see who the best we could pick up is?
That’s picking up BYU not caring that they won’t play on sunday.
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Non-revenue sports.
If you watch "The Lord of the Rings" backwards it's about this little dude that finds a really cool ring in a volcano and spends the rest of the three movies walking home.
Welcome home Frogs!
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
So TCU has upgraded its conference affiliation
Let’s hope they’ll upgrade their unis now. (Welcome back, Froggies.)
I love their unis
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
I think NYCHorn is referring
To the Nike Pro Combat travesty the few times they’ve worn them the last couple of years.
If you watch "The Lord of the Rings" backwards it's about this little dude that finds a really cool ring in a volcano and spends the rest of the three movies walking home.
Welcome back TCU
Glad to have a normal team in the conference again. Good luck.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
don't stop
with TCU
lets get back to 12 or 14
Louisville & Cincinnati for the wedge between B1G and SEC!
i dont like TCU......i hate the Cockroaches
probably because i put up with their “WE’RE BETTER THAN TEXAS!!!!!!” BS in 2009 and i live in Dallas…….but i think this is a solid add…..dont think their basketball program will be doing much but pretty solid football program. we’re replacing the Aggies with a team that has won a BCS Bowl pretty good trade in my opinion
formerly "Horns102591"
A road trip to Fort Worth beats college station any day of the week
I’m gonna be eatin’ some Joe T’s and drinkin’ some margaritas on the patio before and after the game
Frogs also were in the WAC
immediately post SWC. ’Bout runs the gamut, save for Big Ten and Pac-12. Welcome, Froggies.
Does TCU become our Thanksgiving Day/Weekend opponent?
I think so
If Mizzou stays, and the only change to the Big 12 in this round of realignment is A&M→ TCU, then by far the easiest way to do future schedules is to plug the Frogs into the Aggies’ scheduling slots. Remember, when 10-team conference schedules were created last year, everyone plays the same schools in the same order every year. (For example, as it currently stands, we will always begin conference play with ISU.) The departure of A&M is way too insignificant event to warrant blowing up future conference schedules. Just plug TCU into that slot, and that solves the Thanksgiving issue by default.
(My one concern: with the Cowboys playing on Thanksgiving every year in front of 90,000 or so just down the road, does that create any difficulty having the college game so close, geographically speaking, every other year? I think not, but it’s worth thinking about.)
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 10, 2011 9:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn’t think about Jerryworld being occupied every Thanksgiving. That’s going to problematic if TCU is the regular Thanksgiving opponent. All due respect to TCU, 44,000 seats at Amon Carter isn’t going to be sufficient for a Texas – TCU Thanksgiving battle.
There’s some ways to get around it. For instance, on the year Texas is at home, play TCU at DKR on Thanksgiving night. On the years that Texas is away, play TCU on another weekend, and play another opponent on Thanksgiving night. Tech would be a good replacement.
by billfromlaketravis on Oct 10, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather...
…get the same opponent year-in and year-out. 44K seats is an issue regardless of the day the game is played on.
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 10, 2011 9:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I want Notre Dame as the Thanksgiving opponent
But I haven’t heard or read anything solid about that happening.
by billfromlaketravis on Oct 10, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
TCU press release
mentioned 50,000 as the new size of Amon Carter. It was always built to be expandable to that, maybe the move to the Big 12 prompted an early expansion? In that case, it’s equal to Baylor.
For TCU's home game?
Just a hunch, but I don’t think playing a “home” game in Dallas will fly with a Fort Worth-based school.
I don’t think it does us any good to start suggesting TCU play its conference home games anywhere other than where TCU wants to play them in order to accommodate us. There are a lot of positives in adding TCU, but we all know they come with a stadium with “only” 44K seats, at least as of next year.
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 11, 2011 6:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mack said yesterday that playing an away game against TCU every other year will give Texas fans living in the Metroplex another chance to see the team play near their homes if they’re unable to make it to the OU Game.
I’m not sure what Mack means by that, and I hope there’s a larger plan at work here. I believe the maximum allotment of away team tickets in the Big 12 is around 4,800. The demand from Metroplex Texas fans will be significantly higher than 4,800.
by billfromlaketravis on Oct 11, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I assume Mack simply means we'll be playing at Amon Carter every other year
Why do we need to hope there’s a “larger plan” at work here? These are conference games. TCU has no reason to have to accommodate extra Texas fans.
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 11, 2011 11:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
More seats equals more $$ for TCU
They just increased the demand for their homegames considerably. I’d hope they would want to capitalize on that. The counter argument on the TCU side is that their stadium will have more UT/OU/OSU, etc. fans in it the larger they make it.
Yes they do - more $$$
TCU has no reason to have to accommodate extra Texas fans.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 13, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Not my first choice...
as I have no interest in re-creating the SWC. But, if this helps to keep Texas HS athletes in the Big XII-II than welcome TCU.
Welcome TCU
My power cut out is there anywhere I can stream the OU – Texas game? I would appreciate it.
by goje5 on Oct 10, 2011 7:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Mack as Mao
Excellent. Great podcast.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Welcome TCU glad you made it
Maybe Mack/Harsin could work up a DKR wishbone pkg just for the TCU game.
Im only half kidding, 4th guarter, running down the clock, would be fun to step on the cockroach.
Glad to have you back in the fold, TCU
Just remember who’s your daddy. Okay, okay, calm down. Just a little joke…..
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
LOL - Kriess, you may as well lose the PAC 16 avatar - ain't ever gonna happen!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Purple Frogs, Purple Warts
Recruiting battle in DFW gonna get interesting
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Like the move
I like adding another Texas school, but their recent success and old SWC history make this a good move. I consider an invitation to the Big 12 an investment in their potential. Show us all the last few years aren’t a fluke, and give our Metroplex Horns a few more seats for every other year we’re there.
Welcome to the Big 12. We’re dysfunctional as hell, but we love each other. Except OU. Eff those guys.
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by The Audit Horn on Oct 10, 2011 8:45 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
How in the world did this happen?
The Big 12 lost a big state school to a (currently) stronger conference and replaced it with a small private school from a weaker conference, yet still somehow managed to upgrade itself in football in the process.
Funny how that all worked out…
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 10, 2011 8:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Somebody else explained it as addition by subtraction
It seems the only logical answer.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I don't know about that...
I do know
is better than
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by run Bevo run on Oct 11, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I like the trade, a lot!
oh hail the Purple and White
Missouri just needs to move on
They readily admit that the Big 12 is their third choice behing the Big 10 and the SEC.
That being said, I now consider Mizzou to be the fourth choice behind WVU, Cincy and Louisville.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Missouri blog says the Big 12 offered Air Force and their AD turned us down.
Wtf? Anybody hear about this?
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
I saw something similar
It was something along the lines that they did not want to compete versus UT and OU every year and felt they had a better chance in Big East.
Am I the only one who hates this?
Because it means the Big XII’s death will be that much slower? Why do we want to become the Big East II by adding the bottom barrel Big East teams? Louisville only has basketball and WV is up and down in football and basketball. Cincy? Really? Ugh. We were making fun of OU for beating UCONN in a BCS bowl and now we want to add schools from a conference that has been the butt of numerous futility jokes? What about all the other sports, like baseball, volleyball, golf, etc??? This will relegate the Big XII to Big East status, not SEC or Big 10 status. The SWC broke up and the Big XII did not pick up TCU for a reason (yes yes, Baylor…Texas Legislature..blah blah…you get the point.) I just really wanted Texas in the Pac-12 or Big 10. Especially now with Texas finally agreeing to revenue sharing, which apparently was a major hurdle, let’s go to the Pac-12. Maybe I’ll be the lone dissenting voice, but that’s fine. I just wanted to get the other (minority opinion I guess) out there.
"Am I the only..."
No! Although, I’m not going to use the “hate” word. I find TWC less than ideal. IMO, TCU is only a swipe at atm. Adding the Eastern schools does not excite me at all. I have no problem with a surviving Big XII. But, Go West young man…Go West for new schools not East.
...I don't know about you
But I don’t think the Big 12 is turning Big East anytime soon. The Big East is a basketball conference with terrible football mostly. TCU is not a bad pickup. They’re just not a super prize pick up.
Without the Aggies and with Mizzou, the conference stands to be one of the strongest throughout right now. Adding TCU, WVU, and BYU would make a conference that would rival the SEC and match or exceed both the B1G and PAC (The ACC is probably lower than either now after picking up two more basketball schools with sub-par football.
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I just do not see it.
It seems you are just thinking football (maybe basketball too to a degree) and I am thinking entire sports program because, as an active alum and sports supporter, I root for Texas and care what happens in everything from swimming and volleyball to the “money sports” which is why I really do not understand this move. TCU brings something to the table in baseball most years, but WV and BYU certainly do not. TCU never brings anything for basketball since that one run with Bill Tubbs and WV and BYU have 2-3 year cycles of basketball relevancy. You may even see the additions of those three football programs as rivaling the Big 10 or PAC, but I, and probably most outsiders, certainly do not. I want Texas playing the best and being considered among the best in everything we do. The loss of A&M and addition of TCU is a net loss. Adding those other schools compared to what the Big XII lost would be an overall net loss, in my opinion. If Texas is now willing to share revenue, why not call up the Pac-12 and say, hey, we rethought it and we are down. That would be the best possible solution, again in my opinion, if the Big 10 did not want Texas.
by OminousPolaris on Oct 11, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
ominouspolaris - With all due respect
I see your point, but the other sports are rather meaningless in the arena of revenues. In case you haven’t noticed, this is all that counts today..
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 13, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand that
But baseball is actually a revenue sport for us. Yes, I know, Texas baseball might be one of the few revenue generating baseball programs, along with probably LSU, but even then, how does TCU bring in any revenue? Texas already had the DFW market. Playing the best brings in revenue in numerous ways. Playing scrubs does not. Thanks for at least seeing my point.
by OminousPolaris on Oct 13, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is why
1. Every other year, UT plays in Fort Worth – games always sold out
2. It exposes the UT brand even more
3. The DFW area gets a first hand look at UT, besides the RRR
4. The OTHER sports are now available to the DFW area – first hand
5. It replaces a Texas school with a Texas school – a better one in my opinion
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Well, think about it a minute
Would you have ever dreamed that Boise State would even be RELEVENT in the national standings? And, which program has been more consistant in football – Baylor or WVU? How about Iowa State?
The football landscape is changing, man. There are new kids on the block and who is to say the three (2) patsys from the Big East aren’t the new kids?
Look, Sewanee was a powerhouse once – hell, for that matter so was Rice.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
This is tough
Love and respect the Horns, but go to TCU. Was hoping we would never have to cross paths. Hope the addition provides some stability in the conference.
Why couldn't we play TCU on Thanksgiving on those years Dallas plays at home at the Cotton Bowl?
by eirehorn on Oct 10, 2011 11:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Because that's not TCU's home stadium
The Frogs are not going to move a home game to Dallas in order to allow 50,000 more Longhorn fans to attend the game.
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 11, 2011 6:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm still in pain over the CWS and our hand signal is cooler than theirs.
Welcome, you Frogbutts.
Hook Em Horns!
at least its theirs..
It shows some imagination vs. north of the Red River!
Fort Worth is also a great town to party.
"Nobody leaves this field until we beat the hell out of them".................... L.J."Louis"Jordan in 1913 before kickoff of the Texas/ou game.
I said this in another post but will paraphrase here as it seems relevant.
I think adding TCU, together with the whispers about Tulane being the next target, indicate that UT is only planning on being here long enough for the LHN to either go gangbusters or turn into a huge flop. My reasoning is this: If we (UT) were truly interested in the long-term viability of the Big XII, then our sights would be set much higher (i.e. Notre Dame, BYU, etc.) than TCU and Tulane.
TCU and Tulane represent, at best, band-aids designed to hold the conference together long enough for the LHN to mature or die, at which point I believe UT will make a decision on where it wants to live out its days.
To err is human...but humans have such low standards.
If we truly are trying to get Notre Dame (for non football sports)....
then won’t we continue to meltdown the Big East? If Mizzou leaves, then that becomes much more likely with Louisville getting the next invite….then WV if needed.
By the way, Neinas said this morning that Mizzou will be in Big 12 in 2012…..beyond that is up in the air. This could significantly put a hold on big 12 expansion talk until next summer.
Wild idea: Bring in both Boise State and BYU . . .
. . . but as football-only members. That avoids the no-Sunday-games hassles involved in BYU scheduling while still adding BYU’s TV draw for football. It lets Boise State compete with the big boys the one place they can. And in both cases it avoids adding wearying long trips for non-football sports.
Like it
Surprised football only additions have not been mentioned more in our expansion talk.
by ryanlionrah on Oct 11, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
This may cause some consternation about “Tier” contracts but it should be easy to deal with.
If we want a 12 team, two division football conference, Boise and BYU are arguably the two strongest standing and available.
Leaves us a strong hoops conference with one weak sister and a strong baseball and track conference with good women’s sports for ten.
Has anyone other than Verzio broached FB only membership for the mountain contingent?
Missouris Staying in Big XII At Least Through 2012 Season
So says Chuck Neinas.
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