Texas OU: History
Trying to figure out some path to catharsis after a beatdown that has no doubt some of my PTSD that I developed after our 0-5 streak. I found some solace in history. In particular, I'd dwell on 1958-1970 forever if I only could. Everything that has happened since Colt was hurt at the goal line in a game I believe to my toes we were going to win (how much weight did Ingram gain in those post Heisman days? How good were Colt and Jordan really? (very very good) And how anemic was our offense under the direction of GG and GD together?...) has only solidified my conviction that Mack's system requires special players (Ricky, Vince, Colt, Jordan) in order for our teams to achieve consistent excellence. I hope and believe that can change but I believe the institution we have set up in Longhorn Nation is a kind of good-guy-Switzer empire. It works perfectly when Vince Young, or as it turns out, even Colt McCoy, say get on my shoulders to his teammates and wills them across the goal line. Without special leadership the jalopy breaks down frequently and the flashes of brilliance that we do see are the result of incredible individual performances.
I so like Mack Brown and I want him to succeed. Having suffered through McWilliams and Mackovic I am still grateful for the hire and he seems like such a genuinely good person how can you not wish him the best. I do. I choose to believe that last year he felt burned by his good manners and loyalty, and that, as others have pointed out, his actions prove his mettle and desire to win. I hope it is not too little too late. He does not seem to be in great health. He looks tired--I've heard the Longhorn Network is partly to blame. (In the office at 6 am? Not home til 11 pm? If he's working those hours I would rather it be for the onfield product not the off field one.) Yet, as others have pointed out, you can see the desire that exists on the part of Diaz, Harsin, Applewhite and others and maybe that is enough to carry the day institutionally.
The facts are that since Barry Switzer arrived (or thereabouts) the series took a decided turn in OU's favor. We had some miracle streaks (i.e., Gardere) and some other dramatic wins (thank you Ricky), but by and large the days of Longhorn ownership are long since gone. Maybe we can never get that back but that is what I want. I'm not asking for guaranteed victories. But I want the expectation to be both locally and nationally that the game will be hard fought and close. Even that beautiful 45-35 year--we were supposed to get crushed. It was viewed almost as an anomaly that we won, and as the pollsters concluded at the end, they also viewed it that way. Personally, I think our team was extraordinary that year, again, largely due to Colt, Jordan, Quan and a generally reliable and stout D.
History is long and it ebbs and it flows. Maybe it will require Stoops to go before we own them again. Maybe this year is 1956--another year of suffering ahead, but progress and ultimately glory is in store. I do not know.
I went to the UCLA game and was pleased. I am so scarred by 2010 (and the early 2000s) that I loved every minute of the Iowa State game. It was a fait accompli from the beginning in a way I haven't seen since Colt's junior year (okay maybe I'm exaggerating a little--but didn't his senior year always seem like a struggle, not even counting the Nebraska or OU games?). I actually thought we were going to eke out a win over OU. And I'm quietly hopeful that we will beat OSU.
Truth is as long as it doesn't involve a squandered 2 touchdown lead I'll be all right with a gut wrenching battle that we lose by 4. 55-17 reminds me too much of the worst times in Texas football.
I know we'll recover. But I want the future to begin now.
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Well said.
I know we’ll recover. But I want the future to begin now.
I think that’s how many of us feel.
the man, the myth, the legend.
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1956 or 1952?
I’m not sure which game (‘52 or ’56) was worse, but as I watched the 2011 game, it reminded me of those two. I believe I have seen, at least on TV, every game since 1952 and in person until 1978. I remember Tommy McDonald and Billy Vessels. It wasn’t just the score that sets those two games apart, but the way OU beat us. It was much the same last Saturday. At least Stoops didn’t make us look like total idiots by using the swinning gate time and again like Wilkerson did. One other thing about the 1956 game that has some significance….it was Blair Cherry’s last Texas-OU game.
"Maybe it will require Stoops to go before we own them again."
I’ve come to this unfortunate realization as well. I think Mack is 4-8 against Stoops, so that means we win 1 out of every 3, on average, in the RRR. This record against OU would not be so frustrating if Mack wasn’t so dominate versus the other Big XII competition (12-1 against OSU & Baylor, 8-4 against A&M, 10-3 against Tech). The lack of Big XII trophies is frustrating as well (2 conference titles in in 13 years). We just can’t seem to beat OU and when we are evenly matched and win, they still seemed to wind up in the Big XII title game anyway. It’s just frustrating. And a big problem is that Mack will likely retire before stoops does, and we might encounter an era similar to that of the post-Royal years.
BEVO IS ANGRY!
What are the odds that OU made such a great hire right after UT made such a great hire?!
I look back and wonder at how fortunate OU was in picking Stoops, never before a head coach, out of the assistant-coach landscape. Had they not gotten so fortunate, we may be talking multiple MNCs and a Royal-esque aura from an already-iconic coach like Mack. (The same could be said the other way, of course.) I think Mack has been pretty amazing in his success but I do wish he had that ‘jerk tendency’ that Stoops often shows to give them an edge & toughness. Seems like the days of the nice guy are gone with the ’60s & ’70s. Stoops seems more like that angry DKR than Mack is. Royal had that angry edge too him more than either of the present guys.
Have been hoping that Stoops woulda gone home to the Cleveland Browns job years ago when the opportunity arose but I am still hoping that Ohio will call him home soon to take the Buckeye job. I still think it’s possible. At this point, if Stoops stays in Norman, we all know that OU will maintain their level of play. If Mack retires, UT’s ‘normal’ level of play (10 wins / year) is not assured, simply because of the inconsistent success rate of hiring college head coaches. And I don’t necessarily see any good candidates with ‘an edge’ out there to coach Texas after Mack, short of Saban or Meyer and I can’t stand either one of those punks. As exasperated as I already am about how unfortunate Texas has been that OU got so fortunate, I don’t know that I could stomach OU winning another MNC with Texas kids. I know they are just kids but I still see them as traitors to their home state. Just don’t see how any true Texan could play (or even root) for the suckin’ sooners and be able to ever live here again. Was driving around in Dallas this past weekend and couldn’t believe how many billboards and banners were welcoming both Texas AND Oklahoma fans. Made me sick. You’d never see a Burnt Orange banner North-of-the-Red touting the ’Horns.
tired?
I’ve also noticed Mack looks a lot older.
Was it on here? Saw a comment that Texas had a lot of great kids, but how much adversity had they been through? Implication was that you should take poor kids, not middle class. Interesting thought, but you don’t have to be poor to be hungry and driven.
Misc--also, how do you upload a pdf in a post?
I wish I had been around to watch the games in the 50s and remember the ones in the 70s. I was a child of the 80s when neither team was really special. However, the game at the Cotton Bowl always was.
In Mack’s defense, he is 6-8 against OU (5-8 against Stoops?). But to me the more troubling part has been the inability of his teams to close out seasons and take advantage of opportunities when they present themselves (Big XII Champ v Colorado; K State and A&M in Colt’s freshman year). It’s been a great run though, especially when you remember things like Bluebonnet bowls in the 80s…
I’ve got a chart btw in pdf showing some historical trends I’d like to share. Anyone know how to upload a pdf in a post??
Doubt often stronger than optimism
Just talking to UT fans this week, there is no question all the doubt and fears from last year are back…I think the fact that a lot of fans thought the reclamation project was ahead of schedule coupled with the anemic response in the 2nd half is really feeding the flames right now.
I never really had any delusions that we’d win Saturday and expected the first half to go about the way it did. What I didn’t expect and what really gives me pause, was the lack of response at the end of the 2nd quarter after the Fozzy return (letting OU go right back down and score was inexcusable) and all during the 2nd half. That really bothered me. I wanted the light to come on as if our players were saying with their play, “okay, you got this year, we were young and naive, but now we get it and this is where we draw the line.”
That never happened in my estimation and that makes me sick because it tells me that the real damage caused by last year’s collapse was that the expectations for this program had been reset. Now all of sudden 8-4 doesn’t look so bad when it should be considered not up to our standards. I wanted us to bounce after 5-7 and instead it looks like we’re just going to have to climb out of that hole.
I still like to believe Mack is the man for the job. You don’t win 10 games a year for 10 years by accident. But games like last Saturday do let doubt creep in and you do have to wonder if the hunger is still there. Nobody wants a Bobby Bowden situation here and whether fans admit that or not, I think it’s in the back of everyone’s mind.
You can’t win every game and you can’t beat OU every year, but 55-17 is unacceptable anytime and truth be told, I think Bob took it easy on us as the score probably could have been a lot worse…and that probably hurts most of all.
Big game this week. I don’t see us winning this one either as we’re simply outgunned, but I hope this team goes down fighting instead of getting mercy-ruled. Sometimes saying, “we’ll get’em next week isn’t enough.”
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1956 or 1952? - Blair Who?
My error; In 1956 Ed Price was the coach, not Cherry, and indeed, it was his last Texas-OU game. His 1-9 season ushered in DKR.

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