Texas Football Falls to Oklahoma State: Postgame Commiseration Thread
by 40AS on Oct 15, 2011 6:17 PM CDT
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PrintThe Longhorns just gave up a few too many big plays and couldn't make enough of their own, falling 38-26 to Oklahoma State. Add the fact that even when they got a break, it wasn't a break--i.e., the safety that could instead have been a pick six--and it just wasn't meant to be today.
Regardless, though, the team showed resiliency both in coming out inspired after last week's debacle and in responding to several big moments for the Cowboys within the game. It didn't feel like watching last year's losses; this team looks like it's making progress and it seems the losses are actually worth something in 2011, whereas the 2010 team was just a depressing mess. So hang in there, Longhorn fans--there are glimmers of light at the end of the tunnel.
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Have to be happy with the way the team played today
Line looked some much better than last week, especially in the running game. Not so much in pass pro.
Brown, Fozzy and Monroe were great on offense and you could even throw Mike Davis’ name in there as well.
Byndom played great on defense. Front 4 was OK…Linebacks have to play better. Diggs and AP played good as well.
Hook 'em
Hmmmm
The linebackers “oh Lordt” were a hot Mess today!
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 6:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Loss not on Ash...
still would have liked to see McCoy. I dont know what he did to deserve no PT. I also dont know what Ash showed to deserve the entire game. The loss is not on Ash though. Didnt score in the red zone like we needed to.
Too cute on 3rd and goal at the 3. No run called? 2 pass plays? Stupid. They couldnt stop it so shoulda still run it. Fozzy was playing BIG, and you need rely on that experience in order to help Ash win games. Dont force a Freshman QB to make a play on a bootleg (which Cody coulda walked into the endzone).
I’m not going to blame the coaching. I just really would have liked to see more running on 1st downs in the 3rd/4th qtrs.
On a bright note. Fozzy…DJ….MB….Byndom…even Ash. He just needs to clean up the unforced errors and get his internal clock sped up. Needs to get rid of the ball.
Love the Texas Fight! Outlook for this season and the future is still good. No need to get on a ledge.
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 15, 2011 6:19 PM CDT reply actions
what should be the timetable to allow Ash to continue to make mistakes?
I hoping he breaks through, but I mean the question has to be asked
1 game
We play a very weak team next week he better have a 120 or better passer rating and no turnovers.
he's a freshman, he won't
so shutup and adjust your expectations FOR A FRESHMAN like a grown up
+1
We need 1 QB… Nuff Said!!!
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 6:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ash is the guy, IMO
Our problem is Ash’s incomplete command of the offense. He isn’t checking us out of bad plays and he’s struggling to catch up to the speed of the rush (he needs to lose about 0.5 seconds from his internal clock). To go with McCoy gives you the same sorts of problems, but you also lose Ash’s contributions to the running game, and add McCoy’s inability to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball. I think people want someone like VY or Colt to come in and bail us out of bad plays, but what we need is someone to stand in there and run the system. Ash has all the tools and he’s improving very rapidly.
by Horn Brain on Oct 15, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
You kidding me?
VY played awesome as a freshman. Right out of the gates against NMSU, was it? But you know what? After VY was the starter, with 90 yards to go and down against TTU, who finished the game after having ZERO snaps? Chance Mock. The Senior. Experience/Maturity counts for A LOT.
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 15, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
My point was that way too many overreact
and give up on someone because of one game. If Ash had Jordan and Quan, or Limas or Roy, BJ and Sloan to throw too, he’d probably look a lot more like Colt, Major or VY did when they were freshman.
We aren’t just inexperienced at QB, we’re inexperienced at every position.
Also, Vince was 1-1 passing against NMSU.
Forget that game
Go look at the week after against Mizzou. Abysmal.
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Memory failed me. That was 2004. Even better…
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That was NMSU and Texas Tech
This was the number 6 team in the country.
Ash did fine for a freshman.
If we’re assigning blame, this one is on kickoff coverage, the D line and Diaz.
Yeah, I'd say the same
Though I’m sure some blame needs to go on the linebackers for the big broken open runs, unless that was Diaz schemes that left that section of the defense with only that preliminary level of run coverage.
TEXAS FIGHT
Goal line
Too cute on 3rd and goal at the 3. No run called? 2 pass plays?
Definitely. Actually I thought they went too cute on 2nd down motioning Ash out and M. Brown in the wildcat. Would have like to see Brown out of the I 3 more times.
That one bugged be a bit
We have Cody to move the line and he almost always does. Why didn’t we at least try one run with him in that sequence?
TEXAS FIGHT
How is it not on Ash
He was inaccurate. Could not throw long. Held the ball to long for sacs. Turned the ball over 4 times and throw the ball low to the 6 inch line.
I know… The coaches made him the sole QB today and so it is their fault.
Its not on him...
he shouldnt have been relied on as much. He doesnt yet know how to check out of bad plays yet…he needs to develop his internal clock to get rid of the ball.
He telegraphed a few passes but also moved the sticks when given shorter 2nd and 3rd down yardage. He’s not yet ready to make plays to win games. They relied on him too much. Gotta rely on Fozzy and whatever is working….MB/Cody in certain situations.
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 15, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Ash played like a freshman. I dont think he played aweful though. The reason he got the PT, is because he will step up in the pocket and throw the ball. Case would be scrambling in circles with the ball 3 feet from his body like he is play flag football. This game was not on Ash. We were running the ball fantastic, but for some reason we decided to throw in crucial situations. Ash is growing up quickly, and will be a fantastic QB.
by horninraidercountry on Oct 15, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a winner
I wish I could agree, but this is on the Mack Brown and offensive coordnator. I am not at the practices, don’t see what the coaches see each day, but what I do see is Ash is a very gifted athlete, but just does not have the leadership, passion, & ability to handle the stress that is necessary to be big time QB. He so remindes me of a Chris Simms. Not sure Case is an Applewhite, but he has shown the passion & leadership to be a great QB, and thrives in those clutch situations- that is not saying he would (has) not made mistakes, but I really feel he is the better choice of the 2 Qb’s- Ash is not a winner and you cannot coach that, it is innate, you have to want the ball with the game on the line, I so hope the coaches re-evaluate these guys, or it might be another long season…….
by Bluewaterboy on Oct 15, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
um yea Ash is a winner
i fail to see how you can say he’s not a winner when he’s only started 1 game seems a bit unfair to me. also people need to stop acting like he played horribly he did alright for a true freshman in his first start again a top 10 team
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I'd say he did a damn sight better than alright
We started camp this year with a returning 3rd year QB who’d been the national high school player of the year and a second year guy who shares the genes and pedigree of a recent Longhorn legend. Imagine someone said to you then in August that neither of those guys would start, that it would instead be the true freshman with zero experience, and in one particular game against a top-5 BCS opponent, with that freshman at the helm, that we would have a chance actually to win the damn thing in the 4th quarter. I believe we all would have been surprised.
Ash is fine.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 16, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
players battled, coaching was questionable at times, but..
this game was full of missed opportunities for Texas
missed opportunities...
sums it up
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 15, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Also holding Weeden to 22/40 for 222 yards is really a big deal.
No one else will do that all season.
Hook 'em
Yeah
As is the case with so many well-hyped system quarterbacks, you get the slightest bit of pressure on them and their abilities seem to dissolve.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 16, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
Brown 7.1 yards per carry
Fozzy 4 ypc
Monroe 8.25 ypc
Ash 3.475 yards per attempt. And 3 turnovers.
by WreckerTex on Oct 15, 2011 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
By the way. I'm not blaming Ash. Just think those three should get more touches
And depend less on the young QB.
right, 9 total touches in 2nd half for Brown and Monroe....
I was surprised to see how often we passed on 1st down, and after the safety on a crucial drive….all 3 passes. I’m not sure if Ash will get over the hump (we know Gilbert never did), but Harsin got away from what was working.
No pass rush whatsoever
Other than the safety, I don’t think either of our DEs got within 3 yards of Weeden. He had all day to throw the entire game.
Even with Manny’s “exotic” blitzes, it was rare to get anywhere near Weeden.
IMO the lack of pass rush is the story of this game.
Just gotta hope
I did see a lot to make me hopeful today. Would like to see a little less trickery on O. If you got a horse that’s running strong, you should ride him. IMHO. On the down side with incoming recruits, still not sure I understand how we got to this point what with all the 5 stars we where led to believe in over the last many yrs. That’s all the negative I want to spread at this time. Still proud of the ones that gave their all today. Still proud to be a Horn fan. Have seen alot of weak UT teams over the yrs. , but gotta believe it is& will get better. It’s just tough watching your kids grow up & make mistakes. When we do get it turned back around, all the termite fans will come out of the woodwork, till then we have to hope & stay loyal. Hook ’Em
by Burnedsince61 on Oct 15, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
Manny needs to remember he isnt in the SEC anymore. Here in Big XII country its pass happy. What good is having a defense that can stop the run, if the other teams are pass happy anyway?
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Oct 15, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, we can't stop the run
At least with the schemes we were running today.
great secondary play
Good pass rush. Hell we got a safety on a pressure. Okafor blew his man up. We had good pressure in the 2nd half.
Joe "Effing" Parker
by longhorn35 on Oct 15, 2011 7:17 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
What pressure?
There was none. The knocked Weeden down once the entire game and came within the same zip code as him maybe 3-4 other times.
I really, really hope Mack and Manny don’t keep making excuses for the lack of pressure and sacks. The UT secondary and OSU receivers had more to do with Weedens below par statline that anything our DL or blitzes did.
by Horncasting on Oct 15, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Were you actually watching the game?
Weeden looked completely uncomfortable for large stretches. First time all year.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 16, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Some of the screen plays had a eerily similar feel
Seriously, several of them seemed ill timed, and executed poorly. Did Davis get to call a few this game? I’d have rather seen a couple more jet sweeps (to the WIDE side of the field) to Monroe.
by Horncasting on Oct 15, 2011 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I am beginning to think this rebuilding program is gonna take
several more years
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
Team's a lot younger than I thought
Number one issue settled: Ash needs to stay in as our starter. Whether he has what it takes only time will tell. His problem besides locking into receivers, is being tentative as to when to scramble. He is big and fast, and can throw, and can throw on the run. His mobility is not developed yet, but when it does (if they coaches let him), it will be the destabilizing element to this offense.
Our running game is synching well with the running backs — all running backs are running well. Brown is having a hell of a year, and Whittaker is finally blossoming. Until Ash finds his step, we’re gonna have to depend on our running game, which will require a stout defensive effort, cannot fall behind.
Some huge holes on the secondary, while defensive line improving as well. Quandre Diggs seems to be affected by his uncle’s affliction (Quentin Jammer), not being able to get an interception. I hope this is simply again a case of inexperience.
Ran out of time, I guess, but in the end, much improvement over last week, when we were simply clueless during many times in the game. We could have won this game, and OU lite knows it.
100% Agave Azul
by LAREHORN67 on Oct 15, 2011 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No Winner
If you look at athletic ability only, you are correct, Ash is better, we did that a few years back when we had Simms and Applewhite. I think most of know that was a mistake and we might of had another National Championship if Applewhite would have continued to be the starter. Ash is not a winner, does not have the passion to be that leader when the game is on the line. Not sure if Case has it, but from what I am seeing, he does, but he is not the better athlete…… We needed a leader today at that spot and Ash does not know how to be that person at this time…… Lets give McCoy a full game an see how much he improves…….
by Bluewaterboy on Oct 15, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
there are still mccoy sympathizers?
dumb. asses.
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Sooo….wondering where Case is? He didn’t exactly buy into playing the last minutes verse OU. #weareallfreenow
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+ no arm + moxie doesn’t keep the ball in your hands + he doesn’t have “it”
Really
Ash today looked like GG 2.0
I say we run it 80 % or more.
Not sure
But we better be recruiting a QB who can win big games
whoever your mystery man is
will make mistakes his freshman year too. not sure if you’re up for it.
We need a JUCO xfer like Cam Newton
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
That would be great
Having a guy with that talent who comes out and just wins.
yea those guys are dime a dozen
probably the best plan for sure.
if by dime a dozen...
you mean 10K for 12 games…then yes, Cam was a dime a dozen.
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 15, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
obviously sarcasm....
but didnt want to miss out on a pay-for-play comment
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 15, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
And, of course, neither Cam nor Auburn knew anything about it.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
recruiting
“Recruiting a QB that wins big games” what the fvck does that mean? This is classic sports guy BS. I guess that is why we lost. Ash can’t win non-big games, he is actually waiting for a big game to start and win
by codaxx on Oct 15, 2011 7:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
Ash sucks, lets go triple option
It was his first start against the #6 team in the country. Give the 18 year old a break. He didn’t play well, but he played acceptable considering the circumstances. You may need to lower your expectations, or you’re going to be VERY disappointed. We don’t have a VY or Colt on our team….yet.
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Now, see, there you go being all logical and everything
We musn’t let logic and perspective get the upper hand here. Just because the kid was playing for Belton HS this time last year doesnt mean he shouldnt be playing better than the 28 year old senior the other team had
by BEW on Oct 15, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is a reason
why I usually stay away from post game threads after a loss.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Barking Carnival is just as bad.
I’m going over to hookem247 to see if they’ve gone full Shaggy as well. Tis a sad day in the world of Bevo blogging. The clouds will part by noon tomorrow, I’m sure. Mostly knee-jerk reactions.
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I kind of thought the vibe might be more positive around here
The team played about twice as well as I was expecting. Christ, we actually had a chance to win the game in the 4th quarter. Was anyone really expecting that?
After last week I thought the rebuilding might take a year longer than most of us had surmised, but this morning I’m thinking we’re actually much closer than that assessment.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 16, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
shocka
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Case yelled UNCLE vs. OU, that’s why he didn’t play. He’s not Texas.
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There's an obvious slant with RC sometimes, and it should be taken with a grain of salt
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree, McCoy cannot start for this team.
Will have to stick it out with the big kid, and take our lumps — or enjoy the progress. Time will tell.
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McCoy sympathizers?
I see no reason to have a significantly higher opinion of either Ash or McCoy at this point, although I think McCoy has shown a better ability to react under pressure.
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
im proud of the way this team played this week
they never gave up and they kept fighting. you could see that they had improved from last week and right now thats what we should be looking for. they are better than last saturday and i look for them to cntinue getting better as the season progresses we have a lot of talent on this team and it is young talent that will improve and we will see the finished product perhaps as soon as next year
formerly "Horns102591"
Thought we played hard
and didn’t give up. We played well, did what we needed to do for the most part, but made mistakes and had several missed opportunities. Frankly, I think the rest of our schedule doesn’t look too bad, except for K-State (obviously), and TAMU and Baylor, one of which I think we win.
Losing is never fun, but I did see improvement and this bodes well for the rest of this season and next.
One?
We should win 2 or all of those. Baylor’sclaim to fame is winning against a rebuilding TCU who lost to SMU
That's half our remaining schedule.
Mizzou and Tech worry me too. They can both put up points and I’m not sure we can outscore folks.
Did you see what Mizzou did to I-State?
Made our win look like a cliffhanger. With the possible exception of Kansas..everbody left is tough.
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
Yep. And their defense seems competent enough
to give us problems.
If this keeps up
Connor Brewer is goin to think he has a chance to start next year
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by fanoflosingteams on Oct 15, 2011 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
Ash will have a chance the next 2 home games against Kansas and Tech...
but I’m pretty sure the fans won’t have patience (and who can blame them after last year) if Ash struggles against those 2 teams.
Not sure
Seems to be a bunch of implied rumors.
nah he tapped out
against ou. from a legit source…that’s been right about a ton of stuff.
sorry. your boy pissed down his leg and his career at Texas is over.
i heard from a source...
that he swam 300 yds to intentionally give a neighbor a heart attack
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 15, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
probably also true
but really. dude is done for us.
hmm...
i’d really like hear/read an official comment on it.
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 15, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I've heard he was far from being a leader in the locker room after.
But you’re not going to hear any ‘official’ mention of this stuff. Certainly not from the coaches. no snaps today speaks volumes.
by BeeCaveHornFan on Oct 15, 2011 8:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
How is this not green?
post of the weekend
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 15, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Jim Jones was considered a prophet by some. Now, how did that work out?
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
by dimecoverage on Oct 15, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
my guess is y'all
are gonna be lying face down in a kool aid puddle with me trying to spell out m-o-x-i-e and g-r-i-t in the sand
and really
the recruitocosm guys have been nails. i tend to believe they have reliable sources
Enjoy your evening fellow Horns
The boys fought hard but came up short… Let’s hope we grow up fast and win the rest of our games… It would be sweet…
Joe "Effing" Parker
#6
We just played the #6 team in the country, a team with the most dynamique O in the land that runs opposing D’s into the ground and we ONLY lost by 12 pts and had chances for a BCS shifting upset and we still have people bitching when clearly we were the lesser and younger team today. “Lordt” the interwebs were made for tools who don’t know their ass from their elbow. Sure we could have played better but I’m damn proud of these kids. Big difference from last year.
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 6:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
But 2 TDs Where the Guy goes in untouched?
Is that a function of youth? No safeties in the picture – Jr and Sr. No LBs – 2 Srs.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
No
Go back and look at both plays. Perfect call poor assignment football! Hicks jumps in the wrong gap on score 1 and Robinson can not shed a block on score 2. That’s not the coaches fault that’s poor play BUT it was going to happen when you run a 3 man front (no pressure) and you commit 2 men to slow down Blackman… No other options when playing this team.
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 7:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Where was the 2nd man on 4th and 9?
still trying to figure out what happened on that play..
???
If you are talking about the 1st down play we blitzed the safety and dropped a DE into a zone blitz and had a corner over top who played the route terrible on a inside break.
by French-Horn on Oct 16, 2011 1:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
a function of manny's d
Lb’s not in position.
Joe "Effing" Parker
by longhorn35 on Oct 15, 2011 7:08 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
No Sir!!!
He jumps into the wrong gap! His mistake not the D alignment. He read the play wrong. Go back and watch the replay and trust me his body language says it all!!! He has an "Oh F$&k moment.
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 7:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But here is the point
1. The LBs, safeties are not an overly young group. Blaming the youth of the team for everything is not a valid excuse.
2. I am unsure if I have ever seen 2 identical plays where the guy goes untouched from 30 and 80 yards out.
3. I am glad that they tried hard – but given the fact the young CBs held up well, and we had over 200 yards rushing, 40 minutes TOP, being satisfied with the effort smacks of low expectations.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Still off center
Youth – I never used that as an excuse because that would not hold up under scrutiny. I said we were the “lesser and younger” team today. Hicks made a horrible play and my post held him accountable.
Low expections – LoL :) The T-Ring on my finger says everything about my expectations and Texas Football. I’m a realist and there are many positives to take away from the game on both sides of the ball. I’m looking at the stat sheet now and the D did a lot of good to great things and will only get better!
Untouched – short memory it happened to me personally when I played my first game aganist UCLA we struggled big time in the secondary that game, but we all got better. :)
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 7:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
my t ring would match yours.
Joe "Effing" Parker
by longhorn35 on Oct 15, 2011 8:02 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
played from 92 to 95
Football.
Joe "Effing" Parker
by longhorn35 on Oct 15, 2011 9:51 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Damn
I came in 2 years after…
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 10:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
LoL
If we played together I will drop dead right now lol… I’m thinking of all the players who had that number when I played… LoL
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 8:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Got it...
I so know who this is now… Funny seeing you here… :)
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 8:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Was it that UCLA game? :)
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
by dimecoverage on Oct 15, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Both
Beat downs… First was a red shirt year…
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 10:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This needs to be said to every player…Every fan should say thank you, especially in a year like this one. It can’t be easy with all the hours you put in for the program while balancing that with school and then having to listen to all the crap and the off-the-field experts tell you how you screwed up every Saturday.
So, thanks.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
by dimecoverage on Oct 16, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup
That’s the most logical way to beat this (O-Lite) team. You don’t cover Blackman Man-to-Man he will break Troy Davis 400 plus yard record vs those Cornballs…
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 8:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Troy Edwards
Troy Davis was a RB for Iowa State who had back-to-back 2000 yd rushing seasons before going pro after his junior year, and being drafted by New Orleans.
Troy Edwards was the WR for Louisiana Tech who torched Nebraska’s secondary for 21 receptions and 405 yards in the 1999 season opener in Lincoln. He won the Biletnikoff that year, and was a first round pick of the Steelers.
We'd best be scouring the USA, continental
and otherwise, for a bushel of QBs and find one that play at an advanced level or we will continue to suck. Not JUST on the QB, but that is the weak link – and in a leadership position too. Ash hopefully improves, but will it be enough?
I'm proud of the team and how they played
but our fans piss me off. We seriously have one of the most pathetic fan bases for a big football school. DKR is half empty with four minutes left in the fourth quarter after the team fought hard the whole game. Fuck those guys. If you leave a game early, you don’t deserve a ticket to begin with
+1
And they wonder why players jump ship for the NFL early, not like that loving fan base wont turn on your ass faster than a bird in flight!!!
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 6:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They go for the money...they don't stay for siss-boom-bah
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
Nope
Let me tell you something as a former 2 sport All American player the “siss-boom-bah” at Texas as you call has a powerful influence my friend. The college experience for an athlete is very unique and all these things factor into a student athletes decision to stay or go early. Know your game before you talk it.
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 7:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah that was seriously pathetic
I know DKR isn’t the loudest of stadiums in general, but shit, when I was a student just a couple of years ago we would always come early, be loud, and stay late.
WTF
I’m a student now and our seats are in the student section in the south end zone. There were multiple rows of empty bleachers. I don’t understand why we have such fickle fans. There are always empty seats in the club seats in the north end zone
by kotalikmyballs on Oct 15, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess they are tired...
Of watching the home team lose at home to teams that we have dominated for years.
They paid for the seats and maybe they had dinner reservations. Who the eff cares. The team plays hard for themselves.
Joe "Effing" Parker
by longhorn35 on Oct 15, 2011 7:11 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
From the student side
The Alumi section looked pretty early. I’ll admit our section cleared after the last turnover tho.
Proud of the kids but not thrilled with the coaching
Diaz was mediocre today. Harsin was awful on intermediate downs IMO. Greg Davis would be getting verbally assaulted for today’s 4th qtr performance but since Harsin has the rep of a creative intellectual who we bloggers identify with, he’ll get a relatively tame slap on the wrist from the interwebs. I was disappointed in Harsin today..we rushed for like 250 yds but only put up 17 points…a major disappointment.
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Diaz was far from medicore today mark my words OU loved this game because the D he called will serve as the blueprint for O-lite’s downfall. Oh, and the linebackers at OU (sucks) will kill O-Lite in this same scheme while controling Blackman!
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 7:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm
With all due respect you guys really need to learn about what he (Diaz) was trying to do on the field and leave the jabs and negativity at home. From what I can see on this board most people can’t correctly identify what our defensive alignments were and the coverages we were running over the top of that and why.
I have total respect for PB, one of the few bloggers I can stomach, which is why I request he break down the plays in question to educate the masses on who, what, when, where, and why.
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 7:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I could care less what the calls were
I doubt Diaz himself would describe his performance today as even mediocre.
I’ll admit I don’t know a lot about football
But it looked like there was single coverage on Blackman during the 4-9 play that OSU converted. Can you add that to the plays to breakdown. I’m trying to learn the game in more detail and that play really stuck out to me.
Oh that play...
Look above… It was a horrible zone blitz with the DE dropping into coverage to take away the out/slant route and the corner over the top took a horrible angle on the inside skinny post break. Result easy 1st down!!!
by French-Horn on Oct 16, 2011 1:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Those aren't mutually exclusive
Basically, we had two major breakdowns in our run defense that resulted in 14 easy points. Both were due to blown assignments. Otherwise, OSU scored 17 points and had to work on offense. We have a new system and a lot of young guys. Perfection just isn’t going to happen this year. And we’ve played two really good offenses the last two games. If Kansas lights us up, you can criticize Diaz all you want.
by Texasrocks on Oct 15, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He's permitting you to learn the mechanics of the very game you claim to follow
You have my permission as well.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 16, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
A lot of young guys?
Every starter on defense returned from last year except Diggs. Our front 7 is made up of 3 seniors, 2 juniors, and 2 soph. And those were the units where the problems started.
I get that it is a new system, but we cannot rush the passer with 4 and that has nothing to do with the system or youth.
by Horncasting on Oct 15, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Horns Passing Game Should be on Fri Night
I really think we have a better passing attack with Case. Have we given up on the season?
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
please elaborate.
Joe "Effing" Parker
by longhorn35 on Oct 15, 2011 7:13 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
really disappointed in the fans..
Obviously I’m not going to blame the loss on them but when Matt Millen calls our fans out for not being passionate, its bad.
by jacobb23 on Oct 15, 2011 7:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
it's never loud
please stop acting like it is. quietest 100k ever assembled.
Millen's a douche
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Oct 17, 2011 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions
guys guys....
Come on… Listen. They have prob the youngest team in the nation. We will be tough for the remainder of the year. We are no longer a push team. We have tons if fight. That’s what makes us TEXAS! Our confidence will only get stronger and stronger setting us up for a strong end of season and a really good next 3 years. Did we abandon the run too early? Yes. Should we have scored more times in the red zone? Of course! Was the play calling shotty during in the red zone? Ya betcha, but we git smashed last week and and came back this week like that game never existed. That’s awesome! There is no quit in this freshman/soph team! They have the same fight our boys did in the Nat’l game with USC. Our record isn’t the indicator that this is not the same team than last year, its their attitude. Point fingers all yall want. We will rise! We will be crazy sik when johnathan gray coming in and Steve edmond gets more pt. After today I’m proud to be a Longhorn
by domingoCO on Oct 15, 2011 7:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Our QBs just don't look like great passing QBs
pretty average to subpar, so far. I hope we see tremendous improvement in their passing skills and abilities in the near future with Ash and/or incoming recruits.
I hate to burst your bubble but?
I caught part of C Woods game the other night, all I could say was what is the big deal? Has a really good wide rec to throw to but he didn’t really impress. Hope & am pretty sure that’s what the UT coaching staff get those big bucks for and I am totally wrong, or it was just that game.
by Burnedsince61 on Oct 15, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't he transfer? How is he playing?
by BeeCaveHornFan on Oct 15, 2011 8:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he meant Brewer.
My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!
We could have won this game. Harsin put way too much on Ash with his playcalling, for a freshman in his first start
Brown 7.1 yards per carry
Fozzy 4 ypc
Monroe 8.25 ypc
Ash 3.475 yards per attempt. And 3 turnovers.
We should have run more, to take the decision making away from Ash, and the opportunities for screwups (sacks/INTS/fumbles). Harsin maybe a little over his head in the Big 12 based on the schooling he got last week from OU and to a lesser degree today. This is not the WAC.
OU will crush the OSU team I watched today
OK..thats out of my system….Were Texas…were used to the best !
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize
by MeatchickenHorn on Oct 15, 2011 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
Harsin kept thinking that OSU would over commit to our run game to stop it
And they never did…they were giving us 5-6 yds on the intermediate downs and Harsin wouldn’t take it. He kept out guessing himself and took us out of the power sets and wildcat sets that were working and into less successful zone reads and play action sets. I think we might have won this game if Harsin had been more stubborn with the power run game and wild cat.
Yep. That's exactly what I saw.
He kept trying to anticipate throughout the game when OSU would sell out to stop the run and they never did. Wish he would of waited until OSU actually stopped the run before trying to get cute and going away from it.
This is where I scratched my head over those who criticized the "take what they give you" approach of past UT offenses
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2011 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I should have given you credit for the stats,,.my bad....
That being said, I’ve never seen a coaching staff not keep doing whats working. isn’t it football 101 to keep doing what works till they stop you?
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize
by MeatchickenHorn on Oct 15, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, no worries. I can't really copyright stats. But you're right. With those averages we had
no business letting the QB (in his first star)t throw it 40 times.
Especially with that offensive line. If we did let him throw it should be quick hits, screens or the play-action after we let Brown, Fozzy, Cody and DJ wear down the defense. Then Ash might get more than a tenth of a second to let him air it out downfield.
I hope the fans were like this every game!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLe_wImrfRs
Sometimes (very very few times) I don’t like the “We’re Texas” brand that we carry!
by Apu Nahasapeemapetilon on Oct 15, 2011 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
I remember being at that game.
If fans behaved like that every game we’d have one of the best reputations in the country. Nothing came close except Sr night in 09 but that was special for a different reason.
My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!
That was the best experience I ever had at DKR.
When we play good, we “expect” ourselves to win. So we don’t cheer.
When we don’t play good, we “expect” to lose & we don’t cheer!
We’re Texas.
I think the mentality has to change. And also we need to get rid of the semi-horseshoe shape & make it like the Penn St. stadium, that would make the acoustics better & increase the seating!
by Apu Nahasapeemapetilon on Oct 15, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not as upset about the people leaving after the 4Q fumble
I’m more pissed about how empty the stadium was at kick off. Our seats are in the N end zone, NE corner low. The student section was half empty and people were still arriving at the start of the second Q. One thing to say “well, we can’t win so I’m leaving” (not agreeing with it) but why do you miss the entire 1st Q? What possible rationale (even a flawed one) for bee bopping in fashionably late, against the #6 team in the country?
Arrow is still pointed up
Perhaps the new medication and counseling from last season is starting to kick-in…but I’ll be John Brown if I don’t actually feel encouraged with the progress the kids are making. 40 said it best, last year’s losses were just down-right depressing as there was not much hope that things were going to get better. Looking at the week-by-week growth of this team, along with the studs that are headed this way in the 2012 class, gotta feel like there is something very special brewing for this team soon.
i am shocked by some of the comments here!
ash played better than most freshmen QBs would play against a no. 6 team. yes he made a bunch of mistakes, but i think all the mistakes he made can be attributed to being a freshman and not having experience and confidence in his own abilities, and those of his receiving crew.
i saw nothing that ash did that showed fundamental problems.
people are saying we dont have a colt or VY in this team. remember, neither one of them started as a true freshman in an offence that had no identity and that was lacking experience at almost every facet and that lacked leadership.
this kid, as any hardworker, can be a VY or colt. stop being complete douchebags to a little kid and try to help him rise to where VY and colt got to.
stop this assholish behavior, we dont need fair-weather fans. go watch and bitch at some other team to get your frustration out.
i think this team is growing and they fight till the end and i am proud of that!
by vanterminatorhorn on Oct 15, 2011 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Let's be honest
OSU is #6 because of their offense, not thier defense. Ash wasn’t playing anything close to a #6 defensive team.
I’m not putting the blame on him for the loss, but the excuse that he was playing the #6 team in the nation is pretty weak.
by Horncasting on Oct 15, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope...
that excuse was not made. I’ve yet to see anyone on this thread say that wack ass O-Lite D was anything above average. I’ve been talking about our D vs. their O!!! Our O was okay at best today with way too many useless yards that resulted in ZERO pts with a slew of turnovers!
by French-Horn on Oct 15, 2011 10:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ash played better than most freshmen QBs would play against a no. 6 team.
by Horncasting on Oct 15, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Still on the fence
I did’nt take that comment as this team’s D is the 6th best D in the country. I think it’s more about we played the 6th ranked team and he played better than most TRUE freshman aganist a 6th ranked team good D or bad D! Just my take on the comment…
by French-Horn on Oct 16, 2011 1:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Most? Not most who had earned a starting job
He didn’t play as well as Aaron Murray did last year, for example, nor did he play as well as Robert Griffin did as a true freshman against top teams. I’m actually having a hard time thinking of a true freshman who has won a starting job for a high-level program and struggled like this. Of course, no QB for Texas has played good football since roughly January of 2010.
And I know it’s easy to say OSU was the #6 team in the country, but Ash wasn’t playing anything close to the #6 defense. Let’s not pretend he was up against a really tough task.
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Landry Jones
vs. BYU post Bradford injury… Very unimpressive performance by him and OU (sucks) and he got better hell he cut up Texas just two weeks ago. So let’s not be too quick to judge the kid… :)
by French-Horn on Oct 17, 2011 2:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree that Jones was bad
I remember a lot of BON dismissal of the kid back then, but the fact is that he was a lot more impressive than Ash is right now. Here’s his freshman season:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/377845/year/2009/landry-jones
I really don’t think Ash is going to have any six-touchdown or 418-yd. games. That said, I’m pretty sure Jones was a redshirt-freshman that season, so it’s not quite apples-to-apples.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Whoops--looks like we were on the same page here
Missed your post a couple of lines above
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Before the Texas Game, Oklahoma State was ranked #103/120 in total defense.
http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/ncaaf/stats/team-total-defense
The good news is that here is Texas’s remaining schedule’s defensive rankings, as of October 9th:
Kansas – #120/120
Texas Tech – #96/120
Missouri – #30/120
Kansas State – #17/120
Texas A&M – #99/120
Baylor – #60/120
So, in Texas’s 6 remaining games, they play against 2 above-average defenses, 3 of the worst defenses in the country, and one that is exactly middle of the pack.
Thirteen.
Exactly...
please dont let fans assessments of the games be accused of suicidal negativity. I’m proud as hell for the effort in this game. We lost the game because of missed opportunities. The EFFORT never stopped as proven by the 4th and 1 stop on OSUs last drive. TEXAS FIGHT to the whistle.
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 15, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
Yup
No quit in this team, which I love. Watching last year’s squad was depressing. I don’t see this team mailing it in.
young team
Some texas fan need to calm down 19 true freshman starting some of are fan base doesn’t realize we are rebuilding I don’t care about lost to good teams all I know new o line coach d line coach and also new OC and DC
JUST RELAX
by KingMack on Oct 15, 2011 7:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
19 true freshmen starters?
I think that number is a tad high. Maybe playing, but certainly not that many starting.
I believe that's the 2-deep number.
But it would appear that we have an unusual number of true frosh at key positions: QB, RB, LT (as of today — as an aside, Tray Allen was Awful today and has been replaced), CB, WR. Texas fans are not used to that — can’t remember having more than one true-frosh starter.
I'm ready to embrace Cochran at LT.
If Allen still wants to contribute maybe we can use him as a lead blocker in a jumbo package. I’m sure Harsin will want to look at how well he throws and catches just for the hell of it.
My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!
Most everybody is happy with our freshmen but are somewhat critical of the coaching....
The running game was working fabulously and the passing game was not . Football 101 says keep doing whats working until they stop you. Harsin kept going to the pass which killed half our drives.
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize
by MeatchickenHorn on Oct 15, 2011 7:43 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, the culmination was the goal-line stand that ended on the 1 inch line
We got half the distance on first down, and then let it die with two pass plays. If we pound the rock there, no way we don’t see the end zone on 2nd/3rd/4th.
Well thats a hell of a statement !
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize
by MeatchickenHorn on Oct 15, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Crowd was bad early
why is our stadium empty. We have one of the biggest fan bases in the country. Come on
Read some of the comments in this thread
Our “fans” who settle for nothing but 80-0 wins against every team no matter the circumstance, just don’t seem to show up for games on time if at all.
'Til Gabriel blows his horn...
Its terrible
Because we could have one of the best game days every Saturday.
by texasfighthkm on Oct 15, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I paid $200 a piece for each ticket to the Kansas game. The hell I'm going to leave early!
Though I stopped watching the game early because it was so painful to watch.
Haven't read any of the comments but
Why did it seem like Weeden literally had all day to throw and Ash only had 3-5 seconds if that. Keep in mind that was on blitzes aswell
just kidding...
it seemed like that because thats how it was. In addition to Weeden having time, he also gets rid of it MUCH quicker than Ash knows how (at this stage). Weeden is also 28, and older than Aaron Rodgers.*
Oh…and we also cant blitz.
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 15, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
We can blitz, its just that the OSU line is experienced and very good at picking up blitzes...ergo Weeden sets passing records.
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize
by MeatchickenHorn on Oct 15, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
there was enough blitzing today
and OSU did a great job picking it up. Against OU we didn’t blitz nearly enough but I think Diaz saw that in retrospect. Our DBs did a great job today — but OSU had a lot of drops today.
Playmakers
My take is a little different. I see a very solid team with 2 big holes. Our o-line is just bad vs the pass rush. I am not sure there is a real cure for that currently. We have a total lack of playmakers. I see 0 on the defense. Does anyone see a DL or LB capable of making a key sack on his own? Brown is great, but more Benson than Charles. He won’t be ripping off 80 yd runs. Fozzy can, but he is really a part-time RB. I would like to see him catch more in space. Wr is a black hole of play making. They are fine, but nobody has shown the ability to take a 10 yd pass and run for 50. Without big plays pts will be tough to come by.
just a note
KU just held OU to a 3 and out.
Joe "Effing" Parker
by longhorn35 on Oct 15, 2011 8:24 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Off topic a bit, but...
You Aggies have got to be glad to be rid of Leach. No way he kicks the field goals that a) led to your last TD and b) left TTU without enough points. You guys needed miracles to beat him — Tubervilles a good coach but he’s no Leach.
I was disappointed to see Leach go.
If you think we would have needed luck to beat Leach, you obviously weren’t paying attention in 2009.
You guys are 2-5 against Leach.
I guess you weren’t paying attention for at least 5 of the last 7 years, right?
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 16, 2011 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
No we spell it comiseration
It’s how we distinguish between comiseration the noun and commiserate the verb.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 15, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OU only beating KU by 3 after 1 quarter
Joe "Effing" Parker
by longhorn35 on Oct 15, 2011 9:13 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Occupytwentyfirststreet.com
I have a tent behind Scholz’s. Here are our demands (in no particular order):
1. No shotgun on first down. Let’s at least pretend there’s a good chance that our running backs are going to run it on 1st down.
2. Similarly, limit the offense running WR screens and short passing plays on first down. If we’re going to pass on first down, let’s make it play action down the field.
3. I like David Ash. He can take the majority of snaps, but having Case in there once in a while disrupts defensive packages. He is the guy who is deadly passing between 5 and 15 yards.
4. Kickoff coverage. It’s not optional.
5. Kickoffs—is there really no one who can kick the ball through the end zone every time? Certainly a walk-on could do it and be happy to contribute.
6. Rugby punts—I don’t get the attraction. A thirty yard bullet with a ten yard return is still net 20, even if it looks like you’re trying something different.
7. When we’re averaging 6 yards per carry, look to the run. No need to run trick plays.
8. If we’re rushing 6 or 7 on defense, and still getting no pressure, we’re better off rushing 4 and keeping 7 in coverage.
9. The "safety" is there to prevent big plays. See definition of "safe."
10. We don’t have the luxury of getting too many yards. Offensive players need to be taught to cut back inside at the last minute to gain two or three (or even 15) more yards.
11. Let’s work on a couple of quick reads for Ash—3 step drops and a quick hook or out pattern can help keep the opposition from constantly rushing 5 or 6.
12. If they’re giving us the running yards. Take it. Say "thank you."
13. Texas. Fight. Beat KU, Tech, Missouri, KState, A&M, and Baylor.
I like 9
Both Hicks and Gideon misread the first long TD, but only one of them was supposed to be far enough back to recover.
there was no free safety on that play
Gideon was where he needed to be. Hicks was not. Robinson was tangled up on the other. The issue is not with one player. It’s a d thing. 11 players have to play together or they get beat. Blame Gideon if you want but it’s tiresome and the horse died long ago.
Joe "Effing" Parker
by longhorn35 on Oct 15, 2011 9:39 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
briefly read some of these comments
I don’t know about some of you, but I know a few things in my drunken state:
1. We have a great coaching staff that is working with what it has.
2. David Ash will be better than GG next year.
3. GG leaving the team has set this team back. Playing today with a junior Qb that is developed would probably resulted in a win.
We are not Aggies and there are no moral victories. We lost. But having a freshman Qb in the game, I can accept the mistakes that were made today as it is due to a lack of experience.
Sorry, don’t know what I just wrote, but a wrote something. Will check in the morning.
by longhorn1997 on Oct 15, 2011 9:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Positive take aways from this game
1. Byndom – the guy is really coming on and seems to have real knack for knowing what route the outside receiver is running and beating him to the ball.
2. Very few penalties. Only one false start penalty and NO PROCEDURE PENALTIES. This is huge, IMO. Especially with a new QB.
3. One of Tucker’s kickoffs actually went deep into the end zone WITH SOME HANGTIME.
4. Fozzy returning kickoffs.
5. D White with a catch
6. Josh Cochrane. From the live game it seemed like the pressure on the left side was much less when he was in for Allen.
7. Overall running game….OL, Brown, Monroe, Cody Johnson as the fullback and Fozzy from the wildcat.
8. Great start for M Davis
I thought all in all everything went pretty well
Everything was pretty much an improvement over the OU game.
Not good enough yet to beat #6, though.
Its funny how soon people forget what Case did for us this season...
Does anybody but me remember when jevan snead was came in challenging Colt, jevan had the bigger arm and more physical tools than Colt but none of that matched the “it factor” colt had. I feel Case is not his bro, but he does have the it factor that got us to 4-0, how is it that a couple fumbles against likely the best defense in the country with no ints!
A big arm doesn’t make the qb(aka jamarcus russell), we needed a qb to keep plays alive like Case has done all year for us. Ash has got a lot of ppl making excuses for him because he’s a freshman, but bad decisions at Texas by a qb doesn’t get excuses because the culture for Texas is winning period…I jus want everybody making excuses for Ash to remember what Case did for us this season, and quit dissing him for lack of elite arm strength also think about Ash’s 4ints &2fumbles to Case’s 0ints & 2fumbles
It's hard being a Longhorn fan in the state of Oklahoma!!
by okhornfan on Oct 15, 2011 11:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
One wonders......
if that pissed off pout look Case had in the OU game late sealed his fate this week? Have to ask!
Its funny how people believe Case has the "It" factor
after escaping a sack against UCLA. Ash did the same today against much better D and scrambled out and gained 15-20 yards to the red zone. McCoy doesn’t give us that extra dimension. And he has an attitude problem according to a few sources.
David Ash has the team believing in him. That’s all I need to know.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
by kriess on Oct 15, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed....
for those wanting to see what a frosh QB looks like at home vs. a top ten team should get the film out of Major vs. KSU back in ’98(?) and check out what the Cats did to Applewhite. Hell, Ash looks downright superb compared to that game and btw, Major did have some guy named Ricky in the backfield that day, too.
And Ricky gained 43 yards on 25 carries that day (yes, the year he won Heisman)
that 1998 KSU D was one of the best the b/12 has seen.
oh hail the Purple and White
C'mon, he's got "it", and Ash obviously doesn't
You know what “it” is? I do, and yes, Ash does lack “it”.
“It” is the name “McCoy” on the back of the jersey.
You could take a dog, put a McCoy jersey on it, let it loose on the football field, and some of the people on here would wonder why Mack isn’t letting it start at QB.
I hate agreeing with you
Ash may not have it, as I never said he did, but few freshmen actually do. VY didn’t have “it” until probably Tech in 2004.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Really? An aggie making dog jokes on here? Dang.
I’m surprised you did not mention something about the other QBs having to sleep on the floor if the McCoy canine curls up on their bed;-)
by BurntOrange&Blue on Oct 16, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually...
after escaping a sack against UCLA. Ash did the same today against much better D
as of October 9th (USA Today hasn’t updated their stats yet), UCLA had the 90th best total defense, whereas Oklahoma State had the 103rd.
Thirteen.
Run the football dammit!
I can’t believe after the safety we tried to pass 3 straight down when we got the ball back. There was still 10 minutes left in the game. Backs were dominating – make OSU show they can stop them.
Otherwise, thought the D played well enough to win.
Giving up 31 points is good enough to win?
I thought the offense did the defense a HUGE favor by running the ball so well, eating up clock and keeping the OSU offense off of the field. In the end, I don’t think either side of the ball was good enough to win. Both were close, but not quite there.
by Horncasting on Oct 16, 2011 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
We were
The O-Line Coach from OSU does a great job of developing his players, and they’re excellent across the board on offense. Gonna be a rough year for them next year.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Joe Wickline is one of the best in the business, if not the best.
There is reason Mack offered Wickline long before he offered Searels, and why I was relieved when Wickline turned Mack down.
If I couldn't have Wickline
I wanted Bostad from Wisky, and really wasn’t all too pleased from the Searles hire, but anything was better than MacWhorter. Now if we could just relieve Chambers of his TE duties, possibly keep him as a recruiting coordinator only, and hire Brewster as a TE coach…I’d be content.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Searels was definitely an uninspiring hiring
Wickline and Bostad definitely would’ve been ideal guys. I really wasn’t all that impressed with Searels. Georgia’s line and coaching made Moreno look pretty terrific in 2008, but as soon as Searels took over the OL and running game coordination, they took a big step back. Searels left, and suddenly they’re able to produce a star RB and better overall offense again.
Anyway, I’m definitely hoping for the best, and my expectations of the new coaching staff weren’t nearly as high as some people’s, but I’m still skeptical. I do know it takes time, though, and replacing both coordinators, installing a new scheme on each side of the ball, and also hiring in several new position coaches wouldn’t seem like a situation from which any of us should’ve expected immediate and fluid performance.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 17, 2011 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
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