Reports: West Virginia Big 12 Bound When Missouri Leaves
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Oct 25, 2011 11:12 AM CDT
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PrintUpdate 10/25 2:30 p.m. EDT: Report from Charleston Daily Mail confirming West By God Virginia University is headed to the Big 12.
With Missouri poised to leave the Big 12 and apply for membership in the SEC, the Big 12 appears poised to extend an invitation to West Virginia, according to a report from CBSSports.com, citing industry officials. The New York Times' Pete Thamel, however, is reporting that West Virginia has already applied and been accepted.
Things could happen quickly after the Tigers make their intentions officially known, as the exit fee for the Mountaineers would double from $5 million to $10 million if the Big East adds Air Force or Navy before West Virginia leaves the rapidly crumbling conference that is in danger of losing its status as an automatic qualifier.
The biggest potential hurdle for the Big 12 is that West Virginia would not be able to join the conference until the 2014 season, increasing the pressure on negotiations between the league and Missouri as to when the Tigers would officially leave. Difficulties in putting together a 13-team schedule in the SEC are helping to push the Missouri timeline up.
It's possible, and perhaps even likely, that the Big 12 would have to survive 2012 and 2013 without Missouri in a nine-team league before the addition of West Virginia, which would present scheduling difficulties for the Big 12, most notably in forcing teams to find another non-conference opponent at the last second, which would likely require helping the new opponents buy out games with former opponents.
Despite the geographical distance of West Virginia from the rest of the league, the Mountaineers are apparently the leading candidate since BYU fell to the wayside and Louisville -- a better geographic fit -- doesn't have the same caliber of football program, enough to essentially eliminate them from being the top candidate in a football-driven landscape.
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Would someone explain this
Why WV? WTF do they add and why would they be interested in the extreme travel?
They add good football and basketball programs and a very rabid fanbase.
by Texas Wahoo on Oct 25, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
rabid fans that...
Burn their own couches when they lose and burn their own couches when they win… This is a small town and a completely different culture… The folks who remember getting occosted by Virginia Tech fans in 95 will feel more violated with a Morgantown night game…
Joe "Effing" Parker
Translate rabid fanbase
to new version of aggie with a tendency towards pyromania. This is just an “ugh”.
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
LOL - well played
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Any port in a storm
The Big East is sinking as a football conference. I can’t speak to the ACC, not sure if there was interest in either direction there. SEC has its sights set on Mizzou and twelve teams. Gotta put that football program somewhere.
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
by windycityhorn on Oct 25, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
and want to see them play live
(stupid slow interwebs and clicking on things; was supposed to be a single post)
by divinebovine on Oct 25, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
i live in NC too
but WV makes no sense for the Big 12 travel or culture
I'm not so sure that WV is so culturally different from Missouri
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
WV is Appalachia
Mizzou is Midlands, different nations (forgetting states thought was interesting).
The other nations are Far West, Left Coast, El Norte (most of the 12), Deep South, Tidewater, Yankeedom, New Netherlands and New France/First Nation (From a new book Colin Woodard teaser ran on Bloomberg/CSM if interested)
Houston would be the better cultural add from that perspective. Never understood burning couches.
Sure WV is Appalachia...
…but Winter’s Bone could easily have taken place in southeastern Mizzou.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Winter's Bone was in Missouri
and that movie sucked so bad.
Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!
by TexasGarcia37 on Oct 25, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
It did take place in southeastern Missouri. But wouldn’t it have been equally plausible if they’d set it in West Virginia?
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Mizzou is actually Ozarks.
Ever seen the movie “Winter’s Bone”? Yikes.
"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young
Sure it is.
Missouri was a slave state…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 25, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Manifest Destiny Conferance
Adding WV seals that the conference is one built on Manifest Destiny. It has all the higlights of the Pre Civil War United States. A Mountain Man in the Appalachians, Move west and settle on the Plains, Bleeding Kansas, Cowboys, Thieving Settlers, Cattle Industry, Zorros….
It will fit in great.
im totally confused...
…the story posted yesterday said that mizzou was not leaving for now and i took that to mean that they dont intend to move either.
any now there is talk about them moving and being replaced already?
can someone explain if it is known what happened in the big 12 meetings…
by vanterminatorhorn on Oct 25, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions
Its all rumor
But, I love the idea of WVu…..I know they are wild fans, but the Big XII needs some crazy action. And, they can’t be any weirder than aggies!
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Not to mention, they have hot FEMALE Cheerleadrs.
Can I get an A-men?
Manny Diaz will take your lunch...and eat it too...
amen
those two rascals in the back are huge dudes, is that stretched?
No Sir. That's actually them. I just realized how big they actually are. Good lord.
Manny Diaz will take your lunch...and eat it too...
I think they're actually joined
at the stomach.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 25, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
They have MALE cheerleaders? Oh noooooooooooooo!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
but its not ALLLLL male... They have hotness to off center the males..
Manny Diaz will take your lunch...and eat it too...
and..they don't wave towels or have weird hand signs for shit.
Manny Diaz will take your lunch...and eat it too...
Who is the hot blond in the jeans?
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Sign me up!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Lol I'd just like to see her stretch. Just once.
Manny Diaz will take your lunch...and eat it too...
sweet Lord have mercy
formerly "Horns102591"
by horns1025 on Oct 25, 2011 4:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Missouri and the conference
are still negotiating when the Tigers will leave and what the exit fee will be. When those negotiations are complete, it’s fully expected that Missouri will leave the conference and apply to the SEC.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Oct 25, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
The Exit Fee to Mizzou and A&M should NOT be negotiated
It is set, they are screwing the conference if they leave, and should pay 100% of the agreed upon amount. No discussion. Pay or stay, those are their choices.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Well
the problem is that there IS no agreed upon amount. There is no place in the bylaws where it says “you must pay X for leaving the conference”. Whoever wrote them was an idiot.
http://outkickthecoverage.com/big-12-bylaws-on-leaving-.php
Depending on how you read them you can get away with paying NO money by leaving giving no notice, as the conference gets the withdrawal fees by withholding TV revenue. Leave within a season of saying you want out, and there are no TV fees to withhold.
As an example of how it’s no money (and to show that the bylaws were written by idiots): That 30 million figure is the revenue a school gets from 2 years of TV deals. It’s not a “payment” to the Big 12. It’s a withholding of money. How can you withhold money from a school that’s not playing in your conference? Now, a judge would probably apply the INTENDED damages, but there’s no guarantee, and if they go by EXACTLY the wording of the contract, than it could actually be 90% of TV revenue withheld, times 0 TV revenue paid = 0 dollars. Yeah. So that 30 million number is extremely negotiable.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I know the aggies and the tigers want it to be confusing, but I think the ags are not gonna like how this is going to be handled. Mizzou may be trying to play the system better than the ags by not officially announcing anything until after they receive full payments for this year… AtM is out of luck on this since they are officially a “breaching” member… not sure how are when distributions are made but….. AtM might want to start filing their lawsuit now (maybe they can hire a Baylor lawyer) in anticipation of not getting paid THIS year. Personally would love to see that just to watch the Ags bleed financially… If that happens, write your state representative and tell them not one red cent of your taxes should be used to pay for Atm exit fees. So, not getting paid is a real problem. Does anyone know when payments from tv contracts are distributed?
I wouldn't be surprised at all
if A&M filed no lawsuit and accepted the 14.5 million as the cost of leaving. That really isn’t too bad, and is comparable vs potential amount to the Nebraska and Colorado situations (a little over half of potential damages).
14.5 million is at least something the AD can absorb at A&M. It would be tougher for MU.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
The same Aggie AD the secretly borrowed $4M under Fran?
They will absorb it, but it will take a few years.
You are correct sir.
Dang, I thought it was much less. But it was indeed $16M.
That’s a lotta dog biscuits for that cute little collie.
Yeah
it was ridiculous at the time, and I can’t believe they did it. Never should have. That amount is now paid off. I would think there are some big boosters out there who really want the SEC move and already agreed to help with the exit fee.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I have said this before and this exemplifies it! The aggies have a history of bad decisions.
it was ridiculous at the time, and I can’t believe they did it
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Let's not pretend
that there aren’t a lot of bad decisions on the texas side as well
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, for sure, we have never fired the winningest football coach in the history of our school.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Well, should I mention the $150M little mistake Loftin made
It is pretty clear now that the dust has settled that Loftin declined Dodds’ requests for A&M to participate in a Lonestar Network. This move to the SEC is a way for Loftin to try to save face. I think the man is bonkers and I suspect that aggies of the future will want to hang him by his bow tie. He has made bad decision after bad decision.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
My
preference was always for the PAC along with texas, OU, and OSU. That being said, the SEC is still a better option than the Big 12.
The conference will fall apart, and it’s going to happen when texas goes indy with the LHN or the LHN fails and texas goes PAC. Both options are better for texas long term money wise than the Big 12 as currently constituted. Eventually we’ll end up with four 16 team conferences and a 4 or 8 team playoff. When that happens you have to have a seat at the table, and the SEC is a good seat to have. No guarantee that when texas goes indy or PAC that A&M would have had the options they have now.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you figure the SEC is a better option
Top to bottom, the Big 12 is a better conference. A lot of people see the perceived instability, but miss that the conference is loaded and reloaded with TCU who’s probably going to be able to easily fill A&M’s place in the conference for football.
TEXAS FIGHT
I think
it really depends on how the network was going to be laid out and what the revenue splits were. I’ve discussed this before, but unless the revenue splits were straight up equal or were paid based on advertising revenue splits for A&M and texas programs then such a tv deal wasn’t going to happen.
It really all depends on how those splits were set up as to whether or not it would have been a good deal.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You speculate and make a lot of unjustified assumptions
That being said, the SEC is still a better option than the Big 12.
The conference will fall apart, and it’s going to happen when texas goes indy with the LHN or the LHN fails and texas goes PAC.
You don’t know this anymore than bowtie does. Bowtie just caved in to gomers like Gene Stallings and Richard Box.
The decision to tuck tail and run to the SEC has to be the all time capper of tAMU bad decisions.
In the Big 12 you were 200-178 with a 52.80% winning record. Mr. Bowtie made the brilliant decision to turn his back on the state of Texas and all of it’s kids and parents, and throw his school to the SEC wolves where tAMU has a glittering 58-79 and 42.66% won/loss record.
In my book, this is a BAD decision!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
I agree
The Bowtie has quickly burned bridges in the Big XII with his $150M mistake on tier 3 rights with Deloss Dodds. He then burned bridges with the rest of the Big XII teams when he committed to the conference and less than a year later ran away and into the wolf den of SEC.
If Aggies go 6-6 or 5-7 their first year they are pretty much toast and Texas kids won’t be touching them. The Bowtie will be like Franchione in Bama and Kiffin in Knoxville.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I need to correct myself
It was AD Bill Byrne that made the $150M mistake after running the athletic dept. $16M into debt. Dr. Dick Loftin became aggie’s bowtied pres. after those horrendous decisions. Why Byrne is still there is a mystery.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Like most aggy's and UT haters
Their wishful thinking eventually becomes delusional facts, in their little brains.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 25, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Why use the 150m figure?
That’s if you took the UT deal and split it. It’s not a deal for both UT and A&M. That one would be bigger. I’d guess it’d be some where in the 400-450 range. Saying he made a 150m mistake is entirely forgetting all the addition money that could have been there.
TEXAS FIGHT
A&M
was never included in the negotiations for the LHN. The network that would have been started between the two schools would not have been owned by ESPN and would not have had contractually obligated payouts. It would have been much more similar to the PAC network, where the two schools own it and get paid based on carrier rates from the cable telco’s. Some of those carrier fees would have been split with the TV network that operated the texas-texas A&M network, similar to the PAC deal as well.
So to say 150m is out of line is not true at all. The LHN was an entirely new class of network and the first of its kind, not at all similar to the network that was originally talked about between texas and A&M.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 26, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Texas
has tried to join the PAC twice in the past 2 years. They have already looked at going indy, and Deloss has hinted at it being a possibility in the future. If texas didn’t want people thinking they wanted out of the big 12 than they wouldn’t be doing these things.
If A&M doesn’t leave than our schools future is in the hands of someone else. Last year, if texas leaves the Big 12 is done. If A&M leaves it stays together (as we’ve seen). Would you have wanted texas’s future in the hands of A&M?
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Correction
UT made demands that it even probably thought weren’t going to be accepted and only really looked around because OU was and there is a lot in that rivalry.
TEXAS FIGHT
That may be
what happened the second time, emphasis on may. It still seemed like a sincere effort to move to me, with them wanting to keep the LHN b/c it gives them more from a 3rd tier network than they would get from the PAC’s network.
But the first time, in 2010, they tried to get six teams to move into the PAC (which they just sprung on several of the teams they wanted to move with them).
That attempt is what made Colorado leap for the PAC, as the PAC was attempting to get CU and Utah into the conference before Baylor and Texas Tech, so that they could get just OU, texas, A&M, and OSU. To say that texas did not try to leave the Big 12 with sincere efforts is disingenuous.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 26, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Aggie Parallel universe
At no time did UT do what you allege. Please cite a credible source, because there are plenty that point otherwise.
For instance, the orangebloods.com article from 6/2/2010:
Longhorns officials also made it clear Sunday night that their intention is to stay in the Big 12.
Also, from the same article, quoting Baylor president Ken Starr:
“We are doing everything we can to keep the entire Big 12 together. We are very grateful to the University of Texas, to Bill Powers. They have been very strong and supportive to a unified and stable Big 12.”
The romance in 2010 was one sided, from the same article:
According to multiple sources, Scott will start extending formal invitations to six Big 12 schools as early as this week, although the sixth invitation still appears to be up in the air. Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are getting invitations.
To take that one-sided approach by the PAC-10, and somehow allege that it was all a UT conspiracy is fanciful thought that only exists in the fever swamps of texags.com. That is like being convinced that your girlfriend is screwing Joe Blow just because her answering machine recorded a call from him. Only you aggies are that paranoid.
I used a source
who was involved in the whole process. Now, you can think he’s lying, and that’s fine, but he’s a better source than public comments to the media during realignment, as we’ve repeatedly seen that public comments pledging to a conference are just about total bullhocky (see Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, A&M, Pitt, Syracuse).
Loftin on Pac 16 Possibility
In the fall of 2009, we began to hear rumors about UT meeting and talking with the Pac-10. I was actually in Austin in December 2009 meeting with (University of Texas president) Bill Powers. At that point, I had asked everyone but him to leave the room so we could talk privately. I asked him if there was any conversation between him and the Pac-10 and his answer basically was, "I can’t talk about that." The next month, he was in College Station, and we met in my office. I had the same question, and he gave me the same answer.
Go forward to the April (2010) timeframe…I got a call from (Pac-10 commissioner) Larry Scott indicating he wanted to come see me. Scott shows up here, and we have a meeting. Basically they had been working for months, and he had schedules of not just football but, basketball, soccer and baseball, and they had been working hard on this thing. He did a presentation for us on here’s how we are going to do this.
If he’s not telling the truth, than there isn’t any other evidence I can find saying that texas approached Pac-10 first.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 26, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Loftin wasn't involved in the network talks with DeLoss
Damn, you really are trying way too hard to denigrate A&M with your misinformed takes on realignment, and you continue to revesl your ignorance.
BTW, 30% of $300 million is not $150 million.
by Beergut on Oct 26, 2011 9:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If you think $16 million is a lot
don’t ever look at texas’ debt service. It dwarfs your annual revenue.
I know you ‘sips like to talk about that LOC like it is some huge amount of money, but it isn’t even a tenth of what y’all owe.
by Beergut on Oct 26, 2011 9:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and A&M
owes a similar amount. However, there’s a difference between what the university as a whole owes, versus the athletic department. The reason A&M is mocked is because an athletic department in Texas at one of the state’s two flagship universities should be printing money, not struggling to make ends meet.
I'm talking about athletic department only
As for your claim about A&M’s athletic department debt service, I’d love to see your spurce for that, b/c I think you’re flat out making it up.
by Beergut on Oct 26, 2011 3:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Can I see your source for UT's athletic department debt?
Also what is a debt “service”?
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 26, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
My mistake,
thought you were referring to University wide debt obligations. You’ll have to excuse me for not being impressed with Texas AD’s debt, since 2005 (when the AD debt has dramatically increased) Texas has undergone major renovations to several facilities (least of which was the North End Zone project). Major projects like that are done with long term debt at major universities as it makes the most financial sense. $250m in debt for a program that makes $100+m/yr is reasonable.
The difference between this structured debt obligation UT has versus the $16 m loan a&m received from the academic side is MILES apart, as it represented an inability to meet operating expenses (a la payroll). One is a sign of a well managed, financially savvy organization; the other represents a poorly managed husk of an athletic department of a state flagship in a sports-crazy state. I’ll let you make the call as to which is a&m.
In response to your "flat our making it up"
Can you address my comment above on the 70/30 split for the joint network discussed with Byrne? Because I’d hate for you to unintentionally be calling a kettle black…
WVU wouldn't be my favorite, but also wouldn't be a bad addition
BYU might be my favorite candidate, and I don’t think the Sunday issue makes any sense. No CFB is played on Sundays, and the conference basketball schedule doesn’t include a single Sunday game either, I don’t believe—not even the conference tournament. So where’s the issue?
Anyway, if BYU is truly off the radar for the conference and its media partners, then I think the ideal would be to keep Mizzou and add Louisville, Cincinnati, and West Virginia to get back to twelve. I know the public words seem to say that getting to twelve isn’t critical, but it really is in this climate.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 11:39 AM CDT reply actions
Agreed
I would love for Mizzou to stay, and still add Wvu and Louisville. We can only take 2 of the 3 if Mizzou stays.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Right, the eight who aren't going anywhere, retention of Mizzou, and addition of TCU make ten
I had forgotten about TCU in my post, which is of course understandable. ;)
Given the need to decide on two of the three, I’d probably prefer WVU and Louisville, but not by too much.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Man, if any of these rumors on ND are tru
I’d take Louisville and ND in a second. ND is going to need somewhere to land now that it is clear the Big East is doomed.
This was probably Dodd’s plan all along, get rid of A&M and their pesky following us around so that we could team up with ND and go national big time.
Mizzou is probably just collateral damage.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Just say no
to Louisville. We’d be better sitting at 11 and picking like the Big 10 did when it picked up Nebraska. It waited until it could get a good program and got it.
TEXAS FIGHT
Is there a better option than Louisville or BYU out there?
I really don’t know that there is. UL has a lot more going for them than one would think.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 26, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Why can't WVU leave before 2012?
And what do you think happens to the Big East moving forward?
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
Big East officially has a 27-month waiting period to leave
And really, it’s getting very late to change conferences for 2012; two sets of conferences schedules and a lot of non-conference schedules need to be adjusted and there’s not much time.
I expect SU, Pitt, and any other departing Big East schools to leave after the 2012-2013 academic year, which is before that 27-month waiting period runs out, but still gives the BE plenty of time to get replacements invited or shut down the football conference (if you guys would go ahead and take Louisville and Cinci along with WVU, that would be nice).
That's a good point
Getting two or three of those schools to abandon the conference could easily trigger a complete collapse of its football membership. Depending on some deft legal maneuvering and wrangling, there’s the chance that could free them up much earlier.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's assume the Big East does not abandon football
There’s too much at stake, I think, for that to happen.
This was in the NY Times today:
The Big East now moves toward putting together its proposed 12-team model; it hopes to add Air Force, Navy and Boise State in football and Houston, Southern Methodist and Central Florida in all sports.
Makes sense. But that’s a brutal travel schedule, and none of those schools add much to the basketball side. I’m not keen to travel down this rabbit hole, but it makes you wonder what a school located in South Bend, Indiana would think about having to send its athletes in non-revenue sports to Boise, Houston, Orlando, Colorado Springs…
There are more dominoes yet to fall.
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
by windycityhorn on Oct 25, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
SMU and Houston
for non revenue sports
Colorado Springs and Boise would only be for football. I don’t think the NE schools are going to mind having some exposure in Texas
As long
as the networks don’t decide to actually air any of those craptastic Big East games instead of SEC, Big 12, Big 10, or PAC 10 games in the Houston market, good for them.
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by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't drink SEC Kool Aid
I think we are about to have a new civil war on our hands.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Just so long
as I never have a nationally or regionally televised game of Houston – USF.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're safe
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Mizzourugby's handywork on our evil longhorn overlord
He’s actually pretty cool looking.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Eww
Just eww.
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
BO, RP, MR
and all except Ron Paul =), End the Fed
Friends also shoulnd't let friends
Kiss fat aggy girls after touchdowns..
Sadly, those sheep lovers do it anyway…
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Wait, you don't think they love the sheep they sleep with?
That’s awfully cynical.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 25, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Might be selfish of me,
but I have been wanting this to happen because I am stuck in Virginia and it is damn near impossible for me to get back to Austin or any place else to watch a Longhorn football game. Morgantown is a between 6-7 hours from me and I would definitely make the drive up for a game even if the people up there are weird (if you ever make the trip you will see what I am talking about). Would definitely go up for a weekend basketball game and baseball as well.
Also if you look at Morgantown on a map, you also bring in the Pittsburgh t.v. market and I believe Philly and D.C. markets are close enough to be added in there as well, so there is definitely some financial incentive for this to happen as well.
A gun rack... a gun rack. I don't even own *a* gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate an entire rack. What am I gonna do... with a gun rack?
A lot of southern Ohio follow WVu
That is where parts of my family live and my cousin went to WVu. He’s bat shit crazy too!!
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Just for giggles: BCS rankings as of today
SEC:
LSU — BCS #1
Alabama — #2
Arkansas — #10
South Carolina — #13
Texas A&M — #16
Georgia — #22
Big Whatever:
Oklahoma State — BCS #3
Kansas State — #8
Oklahoma — #9
Texas Tech — #20
Texas — #24
West Virginia — #25
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
Slive's attempt to run some test balloons for SEC to have more BCS qualifiers
Man, that had me all fired up. The SEC is needs to be put in their place for poaching our conference and for trying to demand extra bcs bowl slots. They already have lots of bowl slots which isn’t fair either.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
The SEC is diluting their product
Adding two meh football programs to the conference weakens the SEC.
Does a coon skin cap count?
A gun rack... a gun rack. I don't even own *a* gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate an entire rack. What am I gonna do... with a gun rack?
by HornsRiverine on Oct 25, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking I can deal with the Coon Skin Cap.
The wrong doing of sheep is a little more then I can handle lol
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tomorrow??
MitchVingle Mitch Vingle
Confirmed. WVU to Big 12 is a done deal. There will be a press conference with the Big 12 folks tomorrow. The long wait/mess is over…
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Sounds like Missouri should pay dearly
I we are forced to reschedule because of a 9 team conference, Missouri should pay up the dIfference or stay until the 2014 season.
Not just that
But going to 9 teams would jeopardize our tv contracts. MIzzou is not going to be let off the hook.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Off topic, but probably relevant to you interests.
Someone took all the data from Rivals.com and made a map of all the FBS recruits in the country; yellow for 5-stars, red for 4-stars, pink and blue for all the rest. Check it out.
I love a West Virginia addition, by the way. They’re the best possible addition out of the available candidates. My guess is the Big 12 brass realizes it will get our teams onto TV sets on the East Coast. That’s a big deal.
"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young
Yep
And WVu is BY FAR the best team for BCS standings and auto qualifying. They are the clear choice….but it is funny that SEC is getting the better academic school in Mizzou and we are getting the better athletic school in WVu.
It will be fun.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I don't know but I visited my relatives a few months back
Went to Wheeling WV and they have a great casino which also has a dog track all in one. I won a grand!!! (and I am cheap as shit—-I gamble penny slots a lot). I had a freaking blast!!!
Of course, the whole entire state turns gray and dismal and depressing as hell in winter (I think that of all yankee states in winter)….so hopefully we schedule them early.
I’ve never been down to Morganstown…just over the state line from Ohio a bunch.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Congrats on the grand...
Don’t worry, i’m cheap as shit too. Lol, I played the lotto back in georgia. On a $2 ticket, I wont like 800 bucks. Best 2 dollars ever spent.
I had some friends that moved to Morgonstown. They say it’s really pretty nice, but it does get really dreary.
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Another note.
I met some folks from West Virginia yesterday. They were extremely nice people. I hope they reflect most of the fan base. They reminded me of Texan’s
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My relatives are in the lumber business
They are actually very southern type people and the nicest folks you can know.
My uncle is in his 90s and still trots out to bid timber sometimes. A handshake is all it takes for a deal, but if you cross them they will shoot you standing and not think twice about it. You know where you stand though…none of this Aggie shit of saying you are committed the Big XII and then taking it back cuz you crossed your fingers b.s.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Aside from Aggies,
That sounds like a Texan to me if I didn’t know any better.
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Pretty similar
Redneck and Hillbilly are the same person living in different parts of the country. Good ole boys are good ole boys.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Smart people
Nice conversation, and you call Aggies dumb.
You guys will love coming to WV in Sep/Oct... one of the best times of the year!
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
I'm a big fan of your state
Gorgeous country. Nice folks.
Gotta stop knocking down those mountains, though…
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
by windycityhorn on Oct 25, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Coal has alway been a big part of our culture.
I’m a proud great-grandson and grandson of WV coal miners. You can’t overstate how important it is to the livelihood of our state.
Thanks for the kind works. I’m a big fan of TX, and now live down in San Antonio!
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Those are actually photos
of the governor, the lieutenant governor and the state treasurer.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 25, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting. I couldn't find that they had played .
Thanks for the stat.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
In 1956 we won one stinking game - hence the arrival of DKR!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Once
They beat us 7-6 In 1956.
Turns out they don’t have a losing record to any of the teams they’d be joining in the Big12 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/10/25/2513605/west-virginia-to-settle-score-with-iowa-state-at-last
1956
Texas lost. Thats the only time it shows on MB-TLF
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Oct 25, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget...West Virginia is the state where Arkansans go when they want to show off.
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
Huggy Bear!
Bob Huggins, back in the Big IIX.
no one likes Houston
they are 17 in the BCS, WV 25
WV Rival is Pitt nonconference…
to be fair though, the only poll that counts to me is actually and WVU is 17 and UH not on the list…in other words, Vegas ranks in the order who would win not beauty contest, they still like OU over OSU and Bama is 1
Greetings All
Looking forward to joining your conference and the great competition and BBQ that will come with it. Think we will still be allowed to sell beer in our stadium?
You have no clue about the BBQ.
Get ready my friend. It’s beyond greatness.
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Welcome
Just remember to do exactly as Texas says and everything will be awesome.
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Burnt Orange Nation
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Oct 25, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Naw, those days are over, my friend. ::wink::
::whisper:: “Don’t scare the little guy.”
"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young
Welcome to the insanity
If you think the brisket is good, wait until you try the Margaritas and Tex-Mex. You Mountaineers will be dancing a jig!!
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Just invite them too
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
big 12
Missouri should stay and Big 12 should add Louisville for team #12. WVU and UL on the North.
by Ryan2907 on Oct 25, 2011 1:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Sadly, Mizzou is gone
They just can’t wait to rack up a debt that will take their athletics departmetn ten years to retire.
That would definitely be great
But they seem hell bent to become an SEC whipping boy. It is a really strange decision on their part. They wanted Big 10 for academic prestige, and now have negotiated themselves into debt and the SEC. LOL. Boy, they showed everyone how to work the art of a deal.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
"Yes Mr Car Salesman. I would love for you to sell me the POS buick, with 87,000 Miles with no warranty for 33 Grand. Where do I sign?"
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Holgo the Barbarian is back where he belongs!
Love to bring the Skullet back to the Big XII
by Egonz on Oct 25, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Just out of curiosity
Would this open up OOS recruiting in West Virginia? Not that they have a better talent pool then Texas, but I can imagine it might be a card in the back pocket if Texas needed it.
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Recruiting in WV? You're joking, right?
Here’s a map of all the FBS recruits in the country. You’ll notice they’re almost non-existent in WV. More than likely, it will be the other way around. This will open up OOS recruiting in Texas for West Virginia.
"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young
I figured it would bring them here to recruit, I just wasnt sure what they had to offer as far as recruits were concerned in WV.
Where do they recruit from now? They always seem to have solid classes.
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All over.
You can see where their recruits come from here.
"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young
No problemo.
"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young
They are winning like they do with 2 & 3 star recruits?
Who is their coach again?
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
This brings up an interesting point
With tAMU and Missouri going to the SEC, WVU and TCU joining the Big XII – will this dilute the Texas talent pool and make it doubly tough on Mack to recruit?
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
I don't think so.
Texas hand picks it’s players. Most kids who grow up here want to go to either Texas or A&M.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
My big concern is the SEC
Since tAMU prostituted themselves to the SEC, I think it broke the previous invisible barrier that was put up by prospects parents. And that is “we want to be able to go to our son’s (or daughters) games and College Station is a lot closer than Atlanta or Baton Rouge”.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
largely, I believe a lot of this has to do with who's doing the recruiting.
The SEC will definitely draw recruits out of Texas. No question, but I also believe that players can be swayed by relationships with High school coaches and even the particular college coaches that they are visited by.
Mack is obviously a great recruiter. He has people in place under him that recruit almost as well as he does. This is why we consistently have top 3 recruiting classes.
The one thing I think that keeps Texas recruits pipe lining into UT is the High School Coaches and the love for the respective teams growing up.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
Oh, I don't doubt that UT will continue to prosper in recruiting.
The concern will also be for the other Texas schools in the conference – they definitly, will have to face recruiting arguments that they didn’t have to face before – and every SEC school recruiter will bring this argument – count on it!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
SEC
I’m not sure that the SEC will be able to wrestle away a lot of the talent that we have in the state of Texas, simply because of Family ties and things. The great thing is, Texas is so huge and there is a huge majority of talent here that doesn’t even get tapped by the major Texas schools. We shall see, and somewhat soon what the effect will be.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
Nah, f..k the SEC, I don't want to lose a single recruit to those tobacco chewing gomers.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
WV itself is pretty weak in that dept.
There have been some high-end talents from the state in some previous years. Randy Moss is from there, for example. But if there’s a solid recruiting benefit for the conference, it is getting into southeastern Ohio, western PA, and parts of VA and MD.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
That makes sense. Let's grab us some Corn fed dudes from middleofnowhere Ohio.
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Agreed.
This gets us onto (more) TV sets on the East Coast. Who knows? Maybe some kids will fall in love with us. If it can happen to Demarco Cobbs right smack dab in the middle of enemy territory, it can happen anywhere. At the very least, it gives us better chances with guys from that area.
Hopefully, WVU continues playing teams in the area. Preferably, Pittsburgh.
"Hey, don't y'all think that's beautiful right there? That crystal is SO beautiful. And it's coming home to Texas." - Vince Young
I imagine they would. They'd actually help themselves by playing Pitt.
That would make for a tougher Non-conference schedule, thus benefiting the big 12 and themselves.
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I don't think they'll end the backyard brawl
There doesn’t seem to be the resentment and scheduling conflict that are torpedoing the Thanksgiving rivalry.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Mack does not need to recruit WV
Heck, he can’t find enough roster spots for Texas talent as it is.
West Virginia recruits...not much.
But you may now have access to western Pennsylvania recruits. (WVU is 15 miles from PA) it’s a hot bed of talent that was a long history. Especially quarterbacks. Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, Joe Namath, johnny Unitas to name a few.
http://www.rankopedia.com/Greatest-Quarterback-from-Western-Pennsylvania-Ever/Step1/9247/.htm
by leroy jenkins on Oct 25, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Something tells me
they ain’t changin’ that fight song.
Nope. I'm with ya on that
I love how they are already quickly becoming the laughing stock of the SEC and they haven’t even played a down there yet. They are gonna be in the middle of the UGA game and singing about Texas.
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Just Aggy being Aggy
They couldn’t help it if they tried.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Oct 25, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember when
Aggie snuck into Memorial Stadium (before it was rechistened DKR Memorial) and cut the horns out of the astroturf at mid-field the week of the UT/aTm game?
Those guys are hilarious!
I'm telling you now
When they try standing up the whole game in front of an Auburn fan they are getting poison in their cokes. There are going to be some serious changes to aggies’ little antics cuz that SEC folks won’t laugh them off.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
SEC fans don't take shit. I can attest to that.
I lived in Georgia for about 11 years. UGA fans will cut you for dumb shit like that.
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Dumb shit = SEC is redundant
These are the same mooks who chant SEC at games, for God’s sake.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Oct 25, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking most Aggies
Couldn’t spell SEC if you spotted them the S.
Yeah, but I can Handle SEC fans chanting SEC because they are generally on the toughest conference.
We are talking about Aggie, Who will be a bottom feeder SEC team that is still hanging on to their fight song, singing about Texas. That’s just retarded in their own right.
SEC fans don’t have all that weird hand bull shit they do or the crazy ass “traditions”
If all they do is chant SEC, i’m ok with that.
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Let's not grossly exaggerate the toughness of the conference
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't mean to exaggerate the conference
but more often then not when you look at the SEC, they are a strong conference. Year in and Year out, SEC teams are fighting for top spots in the polls.
With every conference you have your middle of the roads and bottom dwellers.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
Right, but the quality isn't so high that a conference chant isn't still completely absurd
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair point.
Let me clarify. It’s not that I don’t think I think it’s absurd, because, it is. BUT, with that be said. I’d take that over anything Aggie does.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
Yeah, even couch burning seems like a breath of fresh air
Compared to aggie.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Couch burning actually sounds like it would be fun in the right company.
Of course, being piss ass drunk probably helps
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
Exactly - the SEC chant is just.plain.stupid!
Right, but the quality isn’t so high that a conference chant isn’t still completely absurd
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
A&M left their traditions behind and now have no traditions
They don’t even have an opponent that will agree to be their rival (some things never change). Poor aggies.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
That's sad when even Vanderbuilt won't be your rival.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
It is likely
that MU-Arkansas becomes a cross division rivalry.
There are rumors that this game will move to thanksgiving weekend, and that LSU-A&M would take place on thanksgiving day to replace the texas game and LSU-ARk game. It seems at least possible to me that such games take place on thanksgiving weekend, but unlikely that LSU-A&M happens on thanksgiving day itself.
But if A&M-LSU did happen on thanksgiving day? Not as good as A&M-texas, but still pretty good.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
That makes sense about ATM-ARK
They were rivals back in the SWC days weren’t they?
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
They were
and it’s likely that the A&M-ARK game continues to take place in Jerryworld, as ARK wants to play games near their Dallas Alumni.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Weird to think that an SEC conference game would take place in Dallas.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
Plus it's Jerry's alma mater
And he’s going to be inclined to keep them playing in his house sometimes. I’m sure that’s going to help them get into Dallas a little, too.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd personally love to see Texas play Arkasas more.
That was always a great game to watch.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
They're actually a rivalry I've always wished would be rekindled
I know they play every now and then, and they’re a little aggie in how a games vs. Texas turns into their own super bowl, but I think they’re a lot of fun. It was tough watching them beat UT with Matt Jones, but those were some sick games, and I wish they’d just made it annual at that point.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Arkansas is a much more respectible team then Aggie.
Pretty much, most teams we play make the games against us their super bowl. The last few Arki-Texas games have been great.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
I think Texas shut it down just like they will the Aggie game
Not going to oblige an SEC to come into the state to recruit by playing us.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
LOL - right, even their soccer coach can't get a game with UT - and they really have an awesome soccer team. :-)
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
When you win
people want to play you. As long as aggies keep winning in their respective sports, people will play them. We play Duke and UNC in soccer pretty often now, schedule some great teams in softball, schedule solid teams in basketball, schedule solid teams in baseball (which the SEC is great in, so strength isn’t affected).
Winning also creates its own rivalries. A&M will be just fine, and I think that LSU becomes a natural rival. That doesn’t mean I don’t want to play texas, just that we’ll be fine.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
More often then not, LSU is going to be better then aggie in Football.
I think you were spot on with the ARK rivalry talk.
Not to say that LSU and A&M won’t have good games or even create a small rivalry. Ark is just a better fit for the rivalry because they have old blood.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
Very true
I think it’ll be interesting to see how the 2012 schedule shakes out after Mizzou joins.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 25, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the thing that most interests me..
Is how the OOC games will shake out for Mizzou and Aggie.
Do they schedule big12 teams to play? or do they go ACC and Big East?
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Faince`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
I don't think the Texas schools will play them
We are going to try to freeze them out on recruiting. No sense to give them extra “in state” games. At least I hope that is what we do. Nothing to be gained for us.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
So true
Winning is important, especially in recruiting. And, that is the biggest concern that Aggies should have. You better have your A-Game your first year in the conference.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
texas fan stuck in morgantown
i was born and raised in texas, but moved to wv and attend wvu, the fans here are pretty much as crazy as everyone thinks lol, id be lying if i said ive never taken part in a drunken couch burning. but i think this was the best move for the big 12 idk who else adds decent football AND basketball programs
by alex_bones_200412 on Oct 25, 2011 2:21 PM CDT reply actions
When you say crazy...you don't mean Aggie crazy do you?
Manny Diaz will take your lunch...and eat it too...
haha no, wvu fans arent complete idiots...
but when it comes to games here in morgantown, it wont always be an easy win, this is a pretty tough place to play
by alex_bones_200412 on Oct 25, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Over the years their football team is very unpredictable
They win games they’re not supposed to win, lose games they’re not supposed to lose. Like last week. Yikes.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Oct 25, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fine with me. I think WVU is a good fit.
Maybe not geographically, but they seem to have the same type of fan bases you’d find in Big 12 schools.
Manny Diaz will take your lunch...and eat it too...
i agree, when they show up, they can be very good, however they do fall on their faces it seems once or twice a year. and i agree that geographically it doesnt work well, but i dont think travel effects teams a great ton nowadays, but thats a personal opinion
by alex_bones_200412 on Oct 25, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah, these universities could care less about travel.
With the profit they are turning out, I doubt it’s even a minor thought.
Manny Diaz will take your lunch...and eat it too...
Yes and no
When it comes to profitable sports (football, basketball, baseball) then yes, travel cost isn’t really an issue because the sport generates enough revenue to cover those increases costs.
But most sports generate very little revenue compared to the costs. Significant increases to travel costs could pose a problem to all but the biggest schools. Could Texas absorb the costs? Undoubtedly. Could Baylor or TT (or A&M for that matter)? I’m not sure.
These are public institutions whose primary source of funding comes from tax payer dollars. Given the economy and severe budget brunches state and local govts are going through I don’t see them increasing the budget just because a school board wants to play conference carousel.
It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the schools currently making moves end up having to go back to their legislatures with hat in hand a few years from now.
by BurntOrangeForever on Oct 25, 2011 5:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
good point
i guess i didnt really think about the smaller sports. one thing i didnt really consider is baseball, the baseball team here is only club, do u think they will join the conference too?
by alex_bones_200412 on Oct 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Which makes these moves so odd
Especially the Aggies. If I recall correctly, Loftin cited increased travel costs for non revenue sports as one of the reasons or staying in the Big 12 last year in his letter to alumni and fans.
When the Aggies announced the move I remember thinking…what’s changed in the last twelve months?
And its not like they can just close down the non revenue sports due to Title IX.
by BurntOrangeForever on Oct 25, 2011 7:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Most Big 12 people would be fine with just WV football and basketball
Don’t know if that could be arranged. BTW, Texas baseball is awesome.
What does WV have BUT the Mountaineers?
That’s pretty much it for them, right? No wonder they’re salivating fans.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
Yep, just like Okie's
If you don’t have an NFL team then you fixate and put it all in on college football.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Well they got KD
One pro sports, at least.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Oct 25, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
And Alabama, Mississippi, Idaho, the Carolinas, etc. for that matter
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
lets go crazy
Lets just take over the Big East. and offer ND. That may bring Mizzu back. That gets us to 16. Big 12 will be the first super-conference. Spans from Texas to Conn to Florida. Think of all the new recruiting grounds.
Heard on the Ragio today
That ND wants to put their non-FB sports in the Big XII while staying independnet in FB and playing six ro so games per year against Big XII foes.
I say ND should go all in or stay out completely.
That would be fine
A creeping commitment approach. Adding ND to the non conference schedule as a permanent fixture would be awesome. Improves our relationship with ND for the future. No reason not to be flexible, ND is a great catch.
the move
may force ND into action. that is the end game. At some pt, ND knows they will have to join. Might as well be in the Big Whatever,, because they know we will bend over for them
What's that you say?
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 25, 2011 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And in case you're interested:
The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 25, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
when WVU
steals Texas recruits, doesnt fill the stadium when they travel, people dont like the Mexican food in Morgantown
I said U. Houston please
Notre Dame to the Big 12
sans football is like a party at the Playboy mansion without the bunnys. Big 10 can have that.
West Virginia
So if I have this correct. This move takes care of 2 things the Big 12 lost. We replace Missouri athletics with a slightly better version and we replace Aggie crazy with coon-skin cap crazy. That correct/
TCU and WVu
vs. Mizzou and A&M
I’m taking TCU and WVu if I’m a betting man in those games.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
It's A Sad Day in Kentucky
So how does Louisville go from obvious Big 12 leader to distant second choice in the span of about nine days? You’re guess is as good as mine. This is all so ridiculous.
All I know is that West Virginia leaving U of L in this new Big East has always been the absolute worst case scenario, and now it also seems like the most likely one. Trying days may lie ahead of us here.
Don't be sad
Louisville is probably next up and if we can pull a coup with Louisville and ND it will be awesomeness. ND is going to need a new home, and you are a logical close proximity school to be their match to get us back to twelve. And, ND knows that Texas likes independence so ND will have some opportunities to keep its powers. It can happen if we wish hard enough.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I'm waiting for Drobe to show up and blame the Conference re-alignment on David Ash.
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by mccoy12 on Oct 25, 2011 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Nah
I won’t do that. My days of blaming David Ash are over. I’m done with the negativity. I’m a Longhorn fan and I should support whomever lines up under center. i really hope Case Mccoy beats him out but I don’t have any ill will towards Ash. Keeping things in perspective it really is tough to expect him to beat the likes of OU and OSU. I think he has the better tools of the two, but I think that Mccoy is just a better Player. I don’t know how many times we as a fanbase has to go with the Chris Simms and GG types to realize that it takes more to be a good quarterback than NFL tools. There have been plenty of qbs that succeeded in college without big arms. I just people would stop making it the end all be all.
Amen
to that. And even more importantly, is intelligence. Do we measure this when recruiting pure passers? How about speed? I don’t think we have a qb that can out run a lineman.
Drobe, I am on board with what you say, but it really makes no difference now.
McCoy “split his britches” when he refused to enter a game when told to do so. I have said this before and I will say it again – I would play a defensive tackle at QB before I would play McCoy – ever!
The inmates don’t run the asylum.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 25, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Now I am mad again
There are kids on that team that have busted their asses to be able to play for the Longhorns – and have gone through the entire program without doing so.
And this kid refused to go into the game? Pull his scholership and give it to a kid that wants to play!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 25, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, you're basing this on what may or may not be accurate reports
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 26, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions
That is true - but like all opinions here it is based on a reliable blog source which makes it a fact!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 26, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
So
if conference realignment settles down and the Big 12 stabilizes after Missouri leaves by adding WVU, are you guys still opposed to playing A&M? If you are still opposed, what would it take for you to want to play A&M again, or is playing the Aggies something you never want to do?
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
Agreed
I think we should wait long enough to be sure Aggies don’t pose a threat. It is all about recruiting and Texas is not going to allow an SEC school (including A&M) to have free shots at the in-state guys. SO, we will ice Aggies out for awhile. If Aggies are going 6-6 or so and staying near the bottom half of the SEC, then we will play them becuase there won’t be much risk. Top tier talent doesn’t want to go to second place football teams-they want to win.
That’s my prediction. If Aggies win and play some good ball in the SEC Texas will have to figure out what the hell to do.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I think Dodds is pretty damn mad at Loftin
So, I also doubt that we will play each other while either of them are in charge. One will have to leave first before we play again.
I’m ok with that as much as I will miss it. I feel that Aggies screwed the entire Big XII over and so a time-out is appropriate.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Playing A&M
I’m in the forgiveness business but I don’t ever want to play A&M again. Let’s just cut the cord and let junior go.
by revhorn on Oct 25, 2011 5:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Your obsession of A&M is showing
tu cannot survive without the thanksgiving game with A&M. In years when tu is not winning the national championship, this is the only game that all tu fans want to see. If you replace us with tech, then we will replace you with LSU or Florida and you will see whose fanbase benefits more as a result of the break up.
Oh my Lord
You are hysterical.
this is the only game that all tu fans want to see
No. See Oklahoma. That is our real rival.
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by kriess on Oct 25, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be a little more careful with throwing around the word "obsessed"
a) A&M hasn’t been a rival since they were relevant in football – and by relevant I mean consistent 10 win seasons with an occasional conference championship…so basically you stopped being a rival when the Big 12 was formed. OU is our rival, period.
b) We’re Texas fans on a Texas site, why are you here? (obsessed much?)
…oh and by the way, what are you going to do with that school song of yours now that you’re “seceding”?
by BurntOrangeForever on Oct 25, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrong lady. Wrong day.
You pompous, arrogant, imbecilic buffoon. Do not ever presume to know what I, or anyone else with an IQ over dolt level, thinks or feels. I will admit to a slight obsession with red wine, dark chocolate, good cigars and one exquisite man. (You can occasionally add all things Coach and Versace jeans to that list) I do not, have not, will not ever “obsess” over your ridiculous, publicly funded cult of a school. What I “have” for all things aggy is closer to an allergy than an obsession. I want you gone. Now. I grow weary of “tu”, that mythical school you blame for your inadequacies. I am bored with your petulance. Your cloak of delusion and casual relationship with the truth is maddening. The absolute lack of honor displayed by aggy players, coaches and fans, though, is the primary reason I applauded the idiotic decision to pick up your toys and go play in the SEC. So GO. Go play LSU on Thanksgiving. Do you think we care? You’re wrong. Go play Florida. We still don’t care. We never have. We never will.
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
OnMySignal - If, for whatever reason, I say something on this blog to make you mad, please have mercy on me! LOL - well played.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 26, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
You're safe.
I’m really quite nice. I just cannot tolerate elective stupidity.
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
I HAVE to get me one of those shirts
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 25, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
www.U-tees.com
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
Color me surprised at the constant drumbeat out of College Station wanting to keep playing Texas
Considering they’ve spent the last year bad mouthing Texas and blaming them for all their ills.
Up until about 3 months ago, I was in favor of continuing the game. Now, I would prefer to end it permanently.
We’re the bad guys holding the poor Aggies and their “brand” back? Fine, good luck and god speed…and don’t let that door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Basically I’m tired of listening to Aggies use UT as a scapegoat for their underachieving, mediocre program.
But that’s just me…
by BurntOrangeForever on Oct 25, 2011 5:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Why burn an OOC game on aTm?
OK, ten team B12, nine game round robin. Three OOC. One should be a FBS warm up. Good LHN candidate, even if played away like Rice. Rice especially gives the Houston fan base a game. I’d keep Rice for a long time. So now you have two OOC. Should be alternating BCS conference foes, so that there is a quality away game yearly. Keeps SOS up, good travel. All good.
So why should aTm be one of those? First, who thinks B/CS counts as quality travel? I’d rather get a colonoscopy. Second, once aTm reverts to their historical mean performance, how do they help SOS? If we are going to play mediocre teams, I’d like to go see Old Miss, or have a nice fall weekend in Minny. Same thing for BB. Make the Michigan State series permanent before I’d play aTm.
aTm
One thing A&M hasn’t realized that it will be impossible to play a division 1 school in OOC. None of the Big 12 schools in Texas has no reason now to put aTm on their OCC schedule. How wants to go play for A&M when they don’t play anyone from the state of Texas?
ihavethemelody - I actually think you are a reasonable aggie
But, if the roles were reversed, would you feel the same? Particularly, if you felt we had opened up your state to the unscrupulous and corrupt recruiting practices of your new conference?
Even, if the SEC was clean of these questionable recruiting antics, the SEC does allow two halfwit morons to be recruited every year. The Big XII doesn’t and that alone gives tAMU a recruiting advantage.
So, if I am a coach for the Longhorns or for any team in the Big XII, why would I want to give you additional exposure in my recruiting base?
Furthermore, you keep talking about playing Texas – why don’t you feel the same way about Baylor, TCU or Texas Tech? I’ll tell you why – Money!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 25, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Well for me personally
I want to play texas because I have umpteen friends, close friends, and close family friends that have gone there. I eat with them every turkey day, and we’ve ended with watching texas v A&M since the game was switched back, and I always got together with longhorn and Aggie friends when it was on Friday. It’s been one of my favourite parts of turkey day for years, and its something I’m going to really miss when it’s gone.
Now, the other sports aren’t quite as big a deal as football, but I like to watch them and brag about them with friends too. I enjoy it when the Aggies win the lone start showdown, and while I hate it when texas wins I enjoy the jawing back and forth with friends when that happens too.
I have friends at baylor and tech as well, but the schools aren’t as competitive with A&M in all areas like texas is (academics, size, land grant, competitive in all sports, history), and there is a lack of mutual respect in a lot of sports. It just isn’t the same.
I think the reason the game will come back will be money,but I wish it wasn’t going away at all.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 26, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I have friends at A&M as well and they are split on leaving the conference
I want to play texas because I have umpteen friends, close friends, and close family friends that have gone there.
Two are aggy ortho’s and ortho’s have always been suspect in their logic! :-)
Regardless, the aggy mantra has always been UT’s “arrogance” (which is just a bogus facade) but it appears that Bowties arrogance is now on display. Or should we call it blind stupidity?
Texas A&M (Bowtie) made the decision to divorce the Big XII. But Bowtie is either demanding (arrogance) or asking (stupidity) to continuing the game because of “tradition”? This “tradition” is better defined as $$$ and media exposure for recruits.
Texas ain’t interested – like Barnes said, it was your decision to leave – you wanted nothing more to do with the “unstable” Big XII.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 26, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Does the SEC actually limit schools to two "halfwit morons"?
I thought the Jerrell Powe situation resulted in a conference standard that reflects the NCAA standard exactly, which is as loose as can be. I’m having a hard time finding current and detailed sources on the issue.
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 26, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
So in conclusion
yes, I would still want to play texas if the roles were reversed. I think that the conference alignments of our respective schools, and whether our admins hate each other, should not affect whether or not we play. Conference alignment hasn’t stopped Clemson – S.C, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Florida – Florida State, etc, and it wouldn’t stop OSU vs Michigan, Oklahoma v texas (no way you guys stop playing them if they had gone SEC), or Alabama-Auburn.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 26, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
What are you comparing?
Conference alignment hasn’t stopped Clemson – S.C, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Florida – Florida State, etc, and it wouldn’t stop OSU vs Michigan, Oklahoma v texas (no way you guys stop playing them if they had gone SEC), or Alabama-Auburn.
You have a point with the first three, then you throw it all away with the last three.
First, Alabama and Auburn were charter members of the SEC, from 1932. So explain what conference realignment has to do with that rivalry.
Second, you are delusional if you think the aTm game is like OSU-UM. It is like UM-MSU, and I promise you UM would drop that in a moment if MSU left the B1G. My Spartan wife approves of this message.
Third, and related to the first — again, the aTm game isn’t anything like the OU game. But more important, we played it as OOC for over ninety years. It is a national treasure, and features two well matched teams. Since 1945, the series is 33-31, and very often one, if not both, are in the top ten nationally. If the series with aTm had either of those on a consistent basis (evenness or national rankings by both teams), it probably could survive. But reality is, you guys haven’t upheld your end of the bargain. And that is why there is NO interest on this end to keeping it around. You can want all you want. I want Heidi Klum. Doesn’t mean it will happen. And my wife does NOT approve of this message.
I was just listing
some of the top rivalries in the country, of which I think A&M – Texas is one, as well as some in state rivalries. It’s not quite OU – texas or OSU – Michigan, but it’s right up there with the rest.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 26, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced that OSU and Michigan would necessarily play the year after one of them left the other one.
We’ll never know, because neither school would ever do that – they value their rivalries too much for that.
I saw what you did here!
they value their rivalries too much for that.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 27, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
wouldnt mind a 9 team big 12 for 2 years
That just means we have to fill it with a non conf game…and I do enjoy me a good ol non conference game
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Boy that sure beats the Aggie War Hymn…
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For all the speculating...
…we’ve done here over the last couple of years on possible replacement schools, did ANYONE ever have WVU in the top two (even top five) of realistic potential replacement schools, at least until the last couple of weeks?
(If the answer is “yes,” which I severely doubt, I want a link as proof.)
Shows you how crazy and utterly unpredictable this whole process has been.
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by Hopkins Horn on Oct 25, 2011 6:07 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I was listening to Paul Finebaum (SEC Slappy) on satellite and he and his listeners were really up set with the WVU News....
They seem to think the Big Whatever really got the better deal with TCU and WVU versus the SEC’s aTm + Misery.
They are not happy.
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by MeatchickenHorn on Oct 25, 2011 7:33 PM CDT reply actions
Are they more angry with aggie vs TCU? or Mizzou and WVu?
I think aggie makes sense and gives them a pipeline into Texas recruiting which I hate. Aggies have hated on us nonstop so getting them off our back is a good thing.
But Mizzou and WVu does seem like they are going to the opposite conferences. I think WVu is a much better football program with an intense fan base, but they do seem a better fit for SEC geographically. I’m happy though.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
You mean
they got two schools that have never won a BCS bowl game, and the Big Whatever got two that have?
But… but… but… they’re the SEC?! They’re the best conference in the land?! That’s un-possible!
But at least they’ll have all those championships the Aggies pull down in non-revenue sports that no one cares about. I can’t wait to hear that SEC! SEC! chants when the Aggies win the cross country championship.
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by windycityhorn on Oct 26, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
All championships
count as championships
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 26, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
+1 for un-possible
Plus 0 for aggies 7 equestrian championships which I’m not sure what that even means. They have horse racing or something?
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Equestrian
is the sport where horses are run around a course with strategically placed jumps of varying heights, and the horse that finishes the course fastest wins. Very similar to the dog skills competitions where they run courses etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestrian_at_the_Summer_Olympics
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 26, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
All championships
count as championships
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
by windycityhorn on Oct 26, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Even those with an * and some ( ) and especially those from the Depression Era.
If a man is alone in the woods and he speaks, if no one hears him,,is he still wrong?
Haha
especially the ones from the depression era. Those are the best ones.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 27, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Baseball?
i realize this is a football move, and maybe slightly a basketball move, but what about baseball? WVU’s baseball team is only club, how’s that going to be handled?
by alex_bones_200412 on Oct 25, 2011 7:34 PM CDT reply actions
Not all recent and current Big 12 schools had baseball teams
They could start one, but I doubt it.
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah good point
track is also the same way, do they have to have a team to send individuals to meets?
by alex_bones_200412 on Oct 25, 2011 7:41 PM CDT reply actions
I think all the schools have track teams.
If they’re full members, they’ll have to participate in conference track meets, but they don’t actually have to go to each other’s invitationals or anything. My track team only went to one or two conference opponents’ meets in any given year; usually we were at Nebraska, KU, K-State, Drake Relays, etc.
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― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, the conference track meets are just the Big 12 championship, I think
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― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 25, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The official invite should be
thrown out there now and get them while Mizz is here. I don’t care that we’d be the Big Televen 2. That’s a better position than this "are we going to be at 10, 9, or X?
TEXAS FIGHT
While in the Big XII
Who will become WVUs rival?
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Oct 25, 2011 10:55 PM CDT reply actions
Big 12
won’t need cross division rivals with round robin play, and they didn’t have protected rivalries when it was split into north and south. As such, there isn’t a requirement for WVU to have a rivalry like there is in the SEC, where there is a protected rivalry game for each team.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 26, 2011 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
They'll
keep playing Pitt and that will be their rivalry game.
Meat? They're made out of Meat? Meat.
by ihavethemelody on Oct 26, 2011 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
rivalry
there is a funny thing about rivalries, you just can not just create them. The Big 10 has tried to do that. Have you ever heard of the “Land Grant Game”? That is the game between MSU and PSU. They tried, but that is not a rivalry. You can go to the SEC and pick a rival, but it is not the same. Hatred is earned over the yrs of battle. You think you are going to replace the sawed of horns at Rudy’s in College Station with a declawed Tiger next yr? That is perhaps the biggest delusion ever swallowed by the Aggie fateful.
Just like democracy
You can’t “GIVE” it to someone….they have to earn it. Poor aggies.
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