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West Virginia Officially Invited To Big 12

After a tumultuous week that saw the Big 12 apparently tear up a press release announcing that West Virginia was going to join the league, the conference announced on Friday that the Mountaineers will officially become the 10th member when Missouri leaves.

On Tuesday, reports surfaced that the Mountaineers were set to become the eastern-most outpost in the conference, with a press conference scheduled for Wednesday. But with Louisville making a late push aided by involvement from Kentucky senator Mitch McConnell in support of the Cardinals, the Big 12 cancelled the press conference and announced that that it was putting plans for expansion on hold.

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It appeared that Louisville also had some support within the conference, with Tommy Tubberville making statements on the radio about the difficulties of traveling to Morgantown, while OU president David Boren allegedly worked behind the scenes to take the Cardinals instead of the Mountaineers.

On Thursday, the rumor du jour was that the league could compromise by adding both Louisville and West Virginia, then presumably adding another school like Cincinnati or South Florida. 

Instead, it appears that the often-fractured conference managed to pull together just enough to agree on West Virginia and the only question now is when the Mountaineers will be able to begin Big 12 play. Big East bylaws require 27 months of notification before a school can leave the league, though the Big 12 issued a statement on Friday indicating that it believes West Virginia will participate in the conference in 2012.

The statement indicates that the Big 12 has backed off of its desire to keep Missouri from leaving until after the 2012 season, but it's not clear at this time how West Virginia can escape from the Big East early, as that crumbling league has stated it will keep the Mountaineers from departing.

In any case, welcome to the Big 12, West Virginia. It's a big, dysfunctional family, but at least it's not being pulled apart at the moment, right? Just listen to the conference overlord and do what Texas says and everything is going to be fine. And don't hold out on the moonshine, either.

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While the Big 12’s statement said West Virginia will begin competing in the 2012-13 athletic season, the Big East Commissioner John Marinatto said that the Mountaineers will be staying in the Big East for two more seasons.

“West Virginia is fully aware that the Big East Conference is committed to enforcing the 27-month notification period for members who choose to leave the conference,” he said in a statement.

The Big East has already said it will hold Syracuse and Pittsburgh for two more seasons before they are allowed to leave the league for the Atlantic Coast Conference.

It appeared earlier in the week that the Big 12 had settled on West Virginia as its replacement for Missouri, which is likely leaving for the Southeastern Conference. But West Virginia’s Big East rival Louisville briefly re-entered the picture and the Mountaineers’ invitation to the Big 12 was put on hold temporarily.

In the end the extra time didn’t pay off for the Cardinals.

“It’s a terrific day for West Virginia and for college football writ large – the merits won out and WVU is back in the Big 12,” West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller said in a statement.

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by TXStampede on Oct 28, 2011 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Why not just add Louisville too? I don’t get that part of it.

Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.

by iamjackburton on Oct 28, 2011 12:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Because we need to find the "mate" for Louisville

Rumors are that Texas is happy at 10, but others want 12. We will probably go to 12 and Louisville is a likely almost for certain number 11. We will figure out who we want for number 12 (BYU, Some hybrid of ND football, Cincy, South Florida, etc) for number 12. Once we figure out Number 12, then we will be ready to bring in Louisville as number 11.

I suspect that is why Louisville has chilled. This is a good thing for now, but I still want us back to 12 and not sure why Dodds is content at 10.

Mizzou can take their petty instability to the SEC with dreams of Big 10 sugar plumbs in their heads. And, they can complain about the SEC every year when they go to a nothing burger bowl (or worse-no bowl). It will be nice to have a conference with stability without the two biggest complainers and Texas haters (Ags and Mizzou). OU hates us on the field, but at least we stick together pretty well on overall important issues of how to stay elite in the world of college football and sports.

We're Texas, We're not OK.

by Wrangler86 on Oct 28, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

10 is better

I really would like to play in a division-less conference.

by notsofst on Oct 28, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

A 10-member division-less conference ...

… only perpetuates the idea that the Big 12* in unstable. Having 12 members, 2 divisions, and a conference title game would strengthen the conference and make their TV carrier that much happier. If they’re ever gonna get serious about the long-term, then they need to add 2 more big ’uns.

by robthecob on Oct 28, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

There are no "big 'uns."

The question is whether we should add two teams now as warm bodies.

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 28, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

True that.

The pickin’s are slim for expansion. However, I really do like the West Virginia addition, simply in that it brings a lot of character & diversity to the conference. It’s not all that far, either. Hey, I’m still holding out a faint hope that in about 7 years, the SEC will be dying and Arkansas & LSU (maybe even that golden dome school) will be in the new Big 12* Big 16 w/ Texas. Gotta dream big!

by robthecob on Oct 28, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's all going to be about the LHN

If it turns out to be a big success, schools like OU and possibly gasp Notre Dame might be interested in a conference that has more “liberal” media models.

If you suddenly have the Sooner Network and the Fighting Irish Network selling for 300+M per year, you might start to see schools like LSU or Arkansas be more interested in defecting from the SEC and its network model.

On the flip side, if the LHN is only mediocre and/or folds, the Big 12 will restructure again either by creating a true conference network or by fracturing and getting consumed by the other conferences.

Right now the Big 12 is at the bottom of the media money ladder, and people are bailing. If the LHN proves that big schools can succeed bigger in an independent fashion, likely the flow will start to move the other way.

I guarantee that LSU and Arkansas don’t give a shit about SEC pride if there’s an extra $20M-$30M dollars a year on the table.

by notsofst on Oct 28, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're halfway there

The Big 12 has two selling points right now: BCS AQ status (which the Big East is in danger of losing and a lot of other conferences never had) and a more wide-open media model (wherein whatever local/regional/third tier deal you previously had, you’re welcome to bring into conference).

I think the LHN as a marketing and recruiting weapon is overblown. It doesn’t help that it’s impossible for most of us to watch it. But unless it does fold — unlikely since ESPN has deep enough pockets to keep it running even if no one is watching — Texas still gets the cash anyway. And that’s what it’s always been about: money. By that metric, the LHN is already a success. And that’s what other schools are likely to see, and find attractive. And it’s a big red carpet to schools like Notre Dame and BYU that would be forced to give up or alter their existing deals if they joined, say, the Pac-12.

But what is not likely to happen, in any scenario, is an SEC team jumping ship to the Big 12. Not in my lifetime, at least.

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by windycityhorn on Oct 28, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe

But I think Ark is a weak link. They have tarnished their reputation since joining the SEC. No conference title in almost 20 yrs. No major bowl wins. 0 top 10 finishes. 0 rivalries. If money was equal it would be hard to argue with Jerry that Big 12 is just a better place

by codaxx on Oct 28, 2011 5:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is my biggest concern...

…is that ALL of our rivals are in the ACC. Personally, I don’t want the ACC that badly, I want in a conference that competes. That’s not to say that I think WVU would own the conference, we wouldn’t, but competition breeds greatness, and that’s a fact. We may get smacked around for a while by you guys and Oklahoma and the like, but I really believe that, with time, WVU can rise to the occasion and give you guys a real go for your money.

I hope that, since our coaches have some history with Big XII teams, that can help breed at least SOME kind of rivalry. Holgs came to us from Oklahoma State, though he was only there for a year, and Huggiebear came to us from K-State, and likewise was only there for a year.

I hope we fit in with you guys in the long run.

"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West

by MountaineerAirman on Oct 28, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I say target Baylor

Get some kind of Grizzly Adams thing going.

by Silentjay on Oct 28, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ark is the Weak Link...

They would be an obvious perfect choice for the BIG XII! Let’s do it!

by MCA UT1987 on Oct 29, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

The LHN...

…is what could eventually keep other marquee programs out of the Big XII. You can’t have multiple school specific networks, i.e. the Longhorn Network and the Sooner Network, existing in the same conference. The powers at be aren’t going to have the same game being broadcast on 2 channels, and the Sooners aren’t going to want it on the LHN and vice versa. A Big XII network would be more feasible.

"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West

by MountaineerAirman on Oct 28, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on the school

Oklahoma is already in the process of creating a network. See here

There’s also talk of a Big 12 network, which led to the best headline of the week.

What the school-specific networks are good for is two things: 1) Showcasing non-revenue sports and basketball games that otherwise would not be aired, and 2) airing “third tier” football games. ABC and FOX only have so many time slots to fill. Directional State at Texas or Hiawatha Bible College at Oklahoma is not going to be a national — or even regional — telecast, so those games would be the bread-and-butter of the LHN or OUN or even the WVN.

Don’t you think there’s enough interest in the state of West Virginia to have a Mountaineer Network? And your school doesn’t have to share any of that dough. That’s the beauty of the system.

Nice to have Mountaineers posting here, BTW.

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by windycityhorn on Oct 28, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

I hadn’t really thought of it in those terms, you bring up several really valid points. All I’m used to reading is how the Longhorn Network is ruining the world, so it’s nice to get perspective from the other side.

I like to roam around conference rivals boards. I find it’s the best way to get insight on the history and traditions of other schools, and I like talking to other fans. I love my Mountaineers and my fellow fans, but I like to expand my horizons, too. My buddy and I are planning on trying to come to the first Mountaineer game in Austin (I hope you guys don’t beat us too bad, if it comes to it.)

Look forward to posting with you guys from here on out. :)

"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West

by MountaineerAirman on Oct 28, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yoiu say this, but you have ever believed that WVU would be in the Big XII?
But what is not likely to happen, in any scenario, is an SEC team jumping ship to the Big 12. Not in my lifetime, at least.

We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.

by Snide Aside on Oct 28, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1 never say never

agree, looks like this new look Big 12-2 is pretty stout, next thing you know, The Gators are heading this way.

by 55f100tx on Oct 28, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Touche

At this point anything could happen.

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by windycityhorn on Oct 28, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, everyone's mad at UT right now but ...

… the LHN is a model for what a couple of other dozen teams will have in about 5-10 years. Conferences need to understand this.

I know LSU is traditional SEC but I sure would love to see the Hogs back w/ Texas.

by robthecob on Oct 28, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want to know

 Is the 300 million guaranteed by ESPN, or is that just a projection of what the LHN will pay Texas?

As of right now the 40 cents per customer ESPN stands to collect isnt going to cover it. Need lots of customers. Time Warner says there have been no talks with ESPN.

by 55f100tx on Oct 29, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

300 m is the minimum guaranteed by ESPN

BC did a good breakdown of the contract barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2011/08/25/billion-dollar-bevo-part-i-inside-the-utespn-longhorn-network-deal/

by ohman08 on Oct 29, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have never seen what the reason is for us to want ...

…10 teams. it cant be about money because we are not short on that.
plus, the conference game really helps with the BCS ratings because of the extra game…

by vanterminatorhorn on Oct 28, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, it doesn't

Believe the BCS formula doesn’t credit a team for playing an opponent twice. And about half the CCGs are rematches of regular-season meetings.

I think the 10 is preferable because:

1. It eliminates the possibility of a rematch
2. It eliminates the possiblity that a 12-0 or 11-1 regular season champ is bumped out of the BCS title game because of one bad afternoon or night
3. It allows everybody to play everybody else; no flukish, slip-through-the-cracks seasons like Kansas had in 2007.

by edsp on Oct 28, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh...

I don’t like KU, but there 07 season was hardly a fluke. They put 76 points on Nebraska. Say what you want, but they got a chance and won their BCS bowl.

by 40A on Oct 28, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

CU put up 65 on that Nebraska team.

The same CU that went 6-7 with a loss in the Independence Bowl.

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 28, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong

But didn’t the ‘07 KU team avoid both OU and Texas in the regular season? If the rotation is the same, I’m fairly certain they did.

by junglerules on Oct 28, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

However they got there ... they were legit.

Yeah, it was an easier road than normal but a 1-loss season is still impressive.

by robthecob on Oct 28, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess it's all in how we define legit

They beat a pretty overrated VT team, in my opinion, but I agree that they were a pretty good team. They’ve put a few guys in the NFL with Brizcoe and Talib, that’s for sure.

by junglerules on Oct 29, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah but...

… its not necessary that the same team will meet twice..it depends on the yr
hence the possibility of the BCS bump based on the conf game

by vanterminatorhorn on Oct 28, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's about recruiting - how big a recruiting pie do you think the state of Texas is?
i have never seen what the reason is for us to want … …10 teams.

We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.

by Snide Aside on Oct 28, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The only rationale I can see for Dodd’s alleged preference for 10 teams is that he doesn’t want a loss in the conference championship game keeping UT out of a BSC bowl, or maybe even the MNC. That, of course, ignores the fact that a win over a good opponent in the conference championship would help our chances of the MNC.

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by OBdoc on Oct 29, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where does the $20 million come from?

I obviously don’t follow this thing nearly as closely, thus the question. WV adds $20 mil?

Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.

by iamjackburton on Oct 28, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 20 million is just an estimate for the per team distribution in the future.

I’m guessing that ESPN/FOX were willing to keep the payouts the same if they replaced Mizzou with WVU, but they were not willing to increase the payouts (which would be needed to pay for an 11th mouth at the trough.

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 28, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah I see

Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.

by iamjackburton on Oct 28, 2011 1:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

you think its about money for texas...

…you think we care about a few mill here and there…that cant be it
dodds said something abotu the extra conf game and how there are risks associated with it (i.e. a team can get defeated and then loose a chance for the NC game) but i think that is kinda baloney…

by vanterminatorhorn on Oct 28, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

personally, to be honest...

… i think its more for texas about having a smaller group and hence the ability to have a bigger/stronger position in the league.
its not about a power trip, its just making sure you will be able to direct the conference towards what works best for you, rather than the others. its just self preservation, etc.

by vanterminatorhorn on Oct 28, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

this sucks

for all of the non football athletic teams. football flies charter so they fly straight to morgantown. all of the other teams are going to have a nightmare getting there.

louisville makes far more sense.

by greggym on Oct 28, 2011 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Yea

An hour/Hour and a Half from Pitt is not bad. And those roads are pretty good.

by Silentjay on Oct 28, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you aren't flying charter

Then it is going to take a connection to get from Austin to Pittsburgh. So figure 5 hours of travel there, before you ever get on that bus. Let’s figure things time out really well connecting from the plane to the bus. So it will take a team about 7 hours to get from Austin to Morgantown. It is a full day of travel to do that. Not the end of the world, but it is going to be a bit of trouble.

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by Reggieball on Oct 28, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

travel

Thing is BS. Most were happy to go to the Pac. You are telling me traveling around the Pac is OK, but flying to Morgantown is too hard once every 2 seasons? Who comes up with this logic?

by codaxx on Oct 28, 2011 5:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

I am super excited about this. Morgantown is a bit more than 5 hours from my house. So I will get to the first Texas game there that I can.

Travel with the Pac-XX was going to be an issue, but at least many of the schools were within striking distance of major airports. Also, with 16 teams, you wouldn’t be making all that many west coast trips.

Morgantown will be a bear to get to for pretty much everyone in the conference. Imagine how long it will take K-State teams to get there. All the more reason to add Louisville and UC as well.

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by Reggieball on Oct 28, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a straight shot

down I-79 from Pittsburgh to Morgantown.

"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West

by MountaineerAirman on Oct 28, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

you shouldn't

reply to something that you have no clue about. There are a number of factors involved. What about flight times.You may have to leave a day earlier and the kids miss school. You want to fly and then drive there in the winter.What if you’re scheduled to play there saturday and then have a monday night game. There are a number of factors involved and Id be willing to bet you never had to deal with this type of travel when you were in school.

Reggie, lets say you have to make a connection somewhere. That could be several hours coming and going and thats assuming everything works out perfectly.. Thats in addition to the actual travel time and time change AND the kids have school to deal with..You’re right it is absolutely going to be a problem. What benefit is there to sending the softball team to WV. This makes no sense.

codaxx, I was against moving to the pac12 for the same reason.

by greggym on Oct 28, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Reggie, lets say you have to make a connection somewhere. That could be several hours coming and going and thats assuming everything works out perfectly.. "

Are you suggesting that connections take several hours if they work out perfectly? I don’t know how the teams normally fly, but would they really book tickets that required them to sit in Dallas for several hours coming and going?

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 28, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best case from Austin to Pittsburgh with a connection

is about 5 hours for the total trip. Issues arise when things get messed up with one of the flights. But getting a scheduled trip that takes about 5-6 hours is pretty straightforward.

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by Reggieball on Oct 28, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about fans that travel..

When I was younger I went to a few road games a year and a trip to WV has huge $$$ written on it..Just another move that makes no sense.

by bevomav on Oct 28, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is great for those of us who live on the east coast or the midwest

I basically can’t see a Texas game in person without dropping big money. This is drivable for me, so I am happy I guess (would have preferred Louisville).

For fans traveling from Texas, if you play your cards right you can get pretty cheap flights to Pittsburgh (tends to be a less expensive airport, in my experience). Also Southwest flies into Baltimore and Columbus. So while Morgantown doesn’t have a major airport, at least you have some options if you want to keep costs down.

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by Reggieball on Oct 28, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ditto

I know it says “Texas” on the uniforms but UT graduates 10,000 kids a year and not all of them settle in the Lone Star State. If we want to truly take our rightful place along with ND, Michigan, etc. as a national program, you have to take your show on the road and stop being afraid to leave your time zone.

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by windycityhorn on Oct 28, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our problem?

In the end it is a minor annoyance to Longhorn fans. If West Virginia fans aren’t bitching, I don’t think we should. You all have your choices Southwest Conference part Duex, Big 10, ACC, or 1 trip every 2 years to West Virgina. Outside of A&M, Ark, ND, and LSU coming to the Big 12 with hat in hand, this is a pretty solid result.

by codaxx on Oct 28, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Chuck Carlton tweeting

that Louisville could end up being in the mix if Notre Dame moves non-revenue sports to the Big 12 and decides to play some games every season against Big 12 opponents. I haven’t seen much about where Notre Dame stands on all of this at the moment, but Dodds’s relationship with Swarbrick is definitely a positive sign, as people have talked about in the past.

 I imagine that it depends to a certain extent on the future of the Big East, but no matter what, it looks like the league is in serious danger of losing AQ status. As a result, I expect that Notre Dame will be looking to move non-revenue sports in the near future and that should set off a pretty big fight about who gets them and can establish that relationship with Notre Dame football. Should be interesting to see what happens.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Oct 28, 2011 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

That is interesting

I read earlier today where Rick Pitino is gallantly fighting and pushing the Big East to shore up its ranks….in football no less. Not sure how much pull he has at the league office regarding football.

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by TXStampede on Oct 28, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that's basically a guy with a three walls and a roof pushing for a home.

For all his accomplishments, Pitino knows that it’s going to be harder to recruit top talent if his conference is falling to pieces.

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by JYarbs on Oct 28, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which was a strong conference at the time...

Tradition, exposure and travel opportunities all matter.

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by JYarbs on Oct 28, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Louisville Fan Here

Pitino is not as important as he thinks he is. I wish he would just STFU and do his job, COACH BASKETBALL. Last I checked there aren’t any banners with his name on them hanging at the Yum Center. As for ND, no conference should take them unless they commit to FB as well. Look at how the ND relationship has worked out for the Big East.

by cstacks74 on Oct 28, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

ND

No one actually wants them in our conference without football do they? That sounds like a punk ass move to me.

by atxdman on Oct 28, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Big East always hoped ND would come around in football

They never did, obviously. But the Irish have an excellent athletic program, so what they bring in the other sports is nothing to sneeze at. And in the last few years you’ve seen ND play football series against teams like Rutgers and UConn. That never would have happened if they weren’t a part of the Big East.

The Irish need their teams (other than football) to have a home in a conference somewhere. It might as well be ours.

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by windycityhorn on Oct 28, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does Notre Dame really bring to the table?

 I could see taking them as a conference member, but what would be the benefit of several of our conference football teams playing them on a regular basis as a non conference foe. I could see it helping Notre Dame recruiting. Is it extra TV revenue?

My feeling is, if Notre Dame wants to play us every year they should join the conference. Why risk playing them if you have a 10 team league with only one guaranteed pushover. This league is tough and going to get tougher.

by 55f100tx on Oct 29, 2011 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent point - what applies to aggy also applies to ND

Why help them in recruiting by giving them more exposure?

We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.

by Snide Aside on Oct 29, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

10 Games VS 12 - Louisville Yea or nay?

First off and up front – I’m a born Texan, a resident of Kansas, and a die hard OU fan and alumni. That out of the way, it really makes a lot of sense to take both WV and Louisville, along with BYU. If Notre Dame is seriously shopping their other sports they should be willing to go all in, all or nothing. BYU apparently is thinking along the same, but opposite lines – joining the Big 12 for football only and leaving everything else where it is now. I suppose that a twofer like that might work. The name of the thing is Big 12. 12 like not 10, not 11, but 12. Missouri needs to somehow come up with a pair and go do their thing… whatever that might be. Not trying to start a cussfight but Texas does seem to be the only current member of the Big whateverinthehellitis conference that is afraid of a championship game. If we could somehow put Dodds and Boring Boren in a box and ship both of them to lower Slobovia we’d both probably be better off. Boren was quite obviously swayed by the good ole’ boy thing McConnell pulled and that in itself should be enough to have him run out of town. I’m through ranting, it’s time to get back to what the conference is supposed to be doing – playing football and not politics. That said… BOOMER SOONER!!!

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by liquor dealer on Oct 28, 2011 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, that's one perspective

My thinking is that there is a fine line here at 10 vs. 12. I think perhaps it is more about avoiding further dilution. I also think it is about holding open a couple of spots for top tier programs (ND comes to mind). Just don’t see how Louisville comes close to accomplishing all the objectives.

I also think you meant 10 teams vs. 12. But in reality, we’re talking about institutions, state governments, funding, alumni base, brand…it’s more than just this or that “team”.

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by TXStampede on Oct 28, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

You choose a pithole of a state like Oklahoma over Texas

Your decision making ability is challenged, my friend, therefore your opinions have no weight.

Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.

by iamjackburton on Oct 28, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

OOPS!!!

I meant 10 teams, not 10 games… my bad.

Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple

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by liquor dealer on Oct 28, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone with a name of "liquor dealer" is ok in my books!

We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.

by Snide Aside on Oct 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure how any of you others feel about this but ...

If Notre Dame won’t commit ALL of their sports to conference membership & participation, then don’t take ‘em. I know they’ve gotten away with this in the Big East but I really hope they don’t get that deal in the Big 12.

Texas … the only member … afraid of a championship game.”?? Seriously, dude?! You just trying to pick an argument? You obviously have no serious handle on what’s going on behind closed doors. Nobody “in the know” has even insinuated this to be so. Texas may be the annoying (to you) big dog in all of this mess but nothing they do would indicate that they are fearful of anything.

“If we could somehow put Dodds and Boring Boren in a box and ship both of them to lower Slobovia we’d both probably be better off.”

Speak for yourself about Boren…but not Dodds. Deloss is a dominator and oozes excellence in all that he does and is doing through all of this. Raise your hand if you’ve just initiated & signed a $300M TV deal. Anyone?

by robthecob on Oct 28, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said - I put my cards on the table - up front!

Dodds crap my not stink to you – but there are 4 less schoold in the Big 12 now than there used to be – thanks to oozed excellence

Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple

Barry Switzer

by liquor dealer on Oct 28, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nebraska (1) Colorado (2) aTm (3) Misery (4)

Am I missin’ something in my math.

Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple

Barry Switzer

by liquor dealer on Oct 28, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe you're missing (1) TCU and (2) WVU.

The conference had 12 schools, now it will have 10. That’s not “4 less schoold.”

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 28, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn! I made a typo!

Last time I looked the 4th was leavin’ and your 1&2 are coming… someday. Right now it has 8 with Misery out.

Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple

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by liquor dealer on Oct 28, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't count A&M and Mizzou as gone and not count TCU and WVU as here.

A&M will be gone next year. TCU will be here next year. Mizzou may be gone next year. WVU may be gone next year.

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 28, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said - I put my cards on the table - up front!

Dodds crap my not stink to you – but there are 4 less schoold in the Big 12 now than there used to be – thanks to oozed excellence

Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple

Barry Switzer

by liquor dealer on Oct 28, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can say that again.

Seriously, I know that the “sexy” uninformed thing to do in Lincoln & College Station nowadays is to blame Texas, Dodds, et al, for destroying the Big 12*. Problem is, though, that’s it’s just a uneducated opinion. Texas has tried to hold the conference together while gaining individual freedom for each member. Ain’t nuthin’ wrong with that. These other schools jumped ship when it was about to get really good for all of ’em.

Born in Texas, resident of Kansas … & a die-hard OU fan? Makes a lot of sense. Talk about jumping ship.

by robthecob on Oct 28, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

'jumping ship'?

Over a 75 year period it was pretty slow jumping.

Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple

Barry Switzer

by liquor dealer on Oct 28, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're saying you put your cards on the table?

Just wonderin’, cause it wasn’t really clear before.

Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.

by iamjackburton on Oct 28, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, liquor dealer, I am on your side and totoally agree with you - UT sucks (got any deals on case bourbon?)

We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.

by Snide Aside on Oct 28, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the New York Times

[Neinas] said that it was his impression that administrators of the nine-team league would prefer 10 teams.

That’s not “only Texas,” though Dodds has certainly been up front about his preference for ten teams in the league.

I don’t like it and I think a lot of Texas fans would agree with me. But Dodds, as always, plays the long game. The LHN, which most of us can’t even watch, seems like a losing proposition right now but his bet is that in a couple years it will be a strength. (Let’s hope we get to watch it by two years from now!) Likewise, my uninformed opinion is that Dodds doesn’t want to go to twelve teams because he doesn’t want to fill up his dance card in case the prettiest girl at the ball — i.e. Notre Dame — starts looking for a partner. And as we’ve seen with the SEC and B1G, it’s a lot easier to juggle 11 teams, as opposed to 13.

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by windycityhorn on Oct 28, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

This 10 team league will be tougher to win

Why water down your football with a basketball school, we already have Kansas, the only pushover in this league.

by 55f100tx on Oct 29, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which one is not like the others?

big-12-outlier

How about adding Hawaii and Boston College to round out the geographically-challenged New Big 12ish?

by bfaut86 on Oct 28, 2011 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

To me, it really isn't about the travel

It is obviously only my opinion, but geographical proximity seems to add an element of cohesion to a conference; a greater sense of stability and natural rivalry. Frankly, I long for the SWC and would easily rid the New Big 12ish of Iowa State (and obviously West freakin’ Virginia) to make room for Houston and SMU.

by bfaut86 on Oct 28, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear Southwestern is bringing back their football team!

New conference:
Texas, Southwestern, Texas State, UTSA, Baylor, SMU, TCU, North Texas, UTA, Tech

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 28, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that Orion ...

… or some other crazy-looking constellation? What mythological story can we conger up about this one?

by robthecob on Oct 28, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check it out

Absolutely accurate geographical representation. Overlay that diagram on a map. Spot on.

by bfaut86 on Oct 28, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I wasn't being critical. I like it!

Just pointing out the stars-in-the-nightsky look about it. West Virginia looks to be closer to several of the members than UT-to-ISU has been. It’s not a big deal, as long as those new aeroplane things are around.

by robthecob on Oct 28, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

ROTFLMAO

I saw this post and instantly started laughing. Very good!

by Old Horn on Oct 29, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Per Star-Telegram, WVU to receive equal annual revenue split. Not TCU.

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by TXStampede on Oct 28, 2011 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

boooooo

horrible add, just scared of Houston or geographically challenged beyond the Texas border as to how far away places are. When they steal Texas recruits, no fans show up in Morgantown and inflation hits and it cost 4x the travel budget, i told you so.

by sam0807 on Oct 28, 2011 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah, I’m sure that’s it, Texas is just scared of Houston. Are you f-ing kidding me? Go back to pre-school, this isn’t amateur hour.

by atxdman on Oct 28, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The times they are a changin' !

New is exciting.
New is different.
New will always be fun at first.

However, it is like a new job: it still turns out to be hard work and there is an equal chance that you will not like your new co-workers or boss or employees. The raises and performance reviews may not be what you hoped for. The benefits package will change!

A$M and Mizzu, are you listening ?

by BurntOrange83 on Oct 28, 2011 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Big 12 web site

I like that it states right now 10 teams with no Misery included – GTFU!

“Beginning with the 2012-13 season it is expected that the Big 12 Conference will be comprised of 10 Universities – Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech and West Virginia….

by texascfo on Oct 28, 2011 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Am I the only one sad we are losing Mizzou?

I’ve always felt that Mizzou was a really good addition to the conference and one of the better teams on the schedule yearly.

"Slammed that hoe on the counter like I just got 35 on the domino table!!"
Sherrod Harris

by AlDe2356 on Oct 28, 2011 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Why be sad?

Sure, they have good academics, but they are pretty worthless in athletics despite having a very easy road to success in the Big XII north. I did not want them to leave, but I am glad they are gone now. They have clearly been a source of instability. They are too scared to lead, but complain about following.

They are mad that they didn’t get the Orange Bowl over Kansas in 2007 and act like it is the Big XII’s fault. It isn’t our fault they don’t travel to games and that the Orange Bowl picked a 1 loss team over a 2 loss team. Grow the f up.

We repalced them with a school that is a perenial powerhouse, that has a wild, rabid fan base. Party on and Big XII traded up in sports.

Mizzou’s academics are clearly better but who cares. They aren’t smart in athletics and their move to the bottom of the $EC food chain is proof of that. Support Kansas!!

Mizzou and Aggies can lodge their complaints with Mike Slive now. I say we bring back Dan Beebee..

We're Texas, We're not OK.

by Wrangler86 on Oct 28, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Outstanding comment - I'm tempted to make it my sig
Missouri – They are too scared to lead, but complain about following.

We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.

by Snide Aside on Oct 28, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mizzou

was a patent pending Texas recruit stealing cold weather school, tata we will miss your journalism school

by sam0807 on Oct 28, 2011 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

No

Current runaway length is 5200 ft. 737-700 mini is 3700.

Teams flying in to play WVU use either North Central West Virginia Airport in Bridgeport, Harrison County, about 35 miles south of Morgantown, or Pittsburgh International, about 70 miles north.

By comparison, Iowa State University is about a 40-minute drive from any airport, while Kansas State University is the most isolated of any school. That campus is 130 miles from any major airport.

Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple

Barry Switzer

by liquor dealer on Oct 28, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Manhattan KS is a pain to get to

I used to get there for work. The one good thing is that there are a lot of direct flights to Kansas City. But from there it is a long, boring drive.

I am on Twitter @jeffchaley

by Reggieball on Oct 28, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had no idea that Kansas State was that far from an airport - Jesus!

We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.

by Snide Aside on Oct 28, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now have direct flights from and to Dallas and Chicago

Airport can handle any aircraft in the sky. But it is a 2.5 hr drive from the Kansas City Airport. This is what has hampered our recruiting for years.
The direct flights will allow our coaches to spend less “windshield time” on recruting trips.
On the up side, Manhattan is truly located in the prettiest part of the state (the Flint Hills). It is a beautiful town, and it grows on even kids who come here from the big city.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Oct 29, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

awful fans

West Virginia fans might give Tech a run for the “worst fans ever” award.

by J-Mass on Oct 28, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Them's fightin' words

As long as they don’t whine like bitches when they lose and blame everyone but their shitty selves.

Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.

by iamjackburton on Oct 28, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tech fans are hard to beat.

Every WVU i’ve met has been extremely polite. They do love their football team though, no question.

Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Fiance`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."

by mccoy12 on Oct 28, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps some Big 12 non-revenue teams...

…in sports such as volleyball can schedule road games against nearby members of other conferences (e.g., Pittsburgh or Maryland) when playing road games at WVU, because at least Pitt and UMd are close to major airports.

by vp19 on Oct 28, 2011 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Still don't understand....

why no Cougar High invite?? They’re in a huge TV market, they’ve put numerous QB’s in the NFL, they would be uber competitive to all teams, and they just put almost 60 on Rice. Didn’t we score just 34 on them?? Help me get it.

by jmatt62 on Oct 28, 2011 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Need teams in the North

Only lost one Texas Team, and replaced it with another Texas team. The conferance has lost 3 north teams and needs teams from the north

Houston is also going to show Big XII games regardless, so UH adds little for tv markets that the BIG XII does not have.

by Silentjay on Oct 28, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The more North teams we lose ... the better.

We’re slowly but surely changing from the Big 12* to the … Southwest Conference. I love it!

by robthecob on Oct 28, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

WV Transportation

Really I do not see why UT can’t afford to fly the basketball, volleyball, soccer, softball, baseball etc. teams on private planes. I assume golf and track are usually to tournaments and meets that will be infrequently held in WV. However does bring back memories of the Marshall airplane crash.

However I do wonder when you can play softball and baseball in WV due to weather.

by eirehorn on Oct 28, 2011 6:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Also the Oklahoma State basketball team plane crash

Personally, these little planes scare me a bit. Fortunately, I don’t fly on them too often, and I know that at a rational level, they are probably safer than my car.

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by Reggieball on Oct 28, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK

I had forgotten that crash. The truth of the matter is that if there is any question about flying it should always be the pilot’s decision and you wonder if they may be influenced by the important coach wanting them to stay on schedule. That said I think the Marshall flight was a schedule airline but OK was private plane. I would think one of those 30 to 50 seat planes with pilot employed by the President of UTthe would work.

by eirehorn on Oct 28, 2011 6:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was actually in Huntington, WV a couple of weeks ago

Pretty town. But I can see it being a tough place to land a plane in difficult weather.

Wikipedia article on the Marshall crash. Pretty sad stuff.

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by Reggieball on Oct 28, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I remember a story about one of the coaches missing the flight for some reason and the guilt he felt for having survived. All very sad.

by eirehorn on Oct 28, 2011 7:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Charters

Have you ever wondered what process is used when a school charters an aircraft? Do they look at what is involved? Who the aircraft actually belongs to and it’s history? Who’s flying it? Are they qualified to fly it? There have been several accident involving sports teams, This Wikipedia article

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Airways_Flight_932

deals with Marshall – and lists all other accident involving sports team charters and the particulars of each accident. If the questions I asked above had been asked, nearly every one of these accidents would have been avoided. The Marshall team was on an aircraft that was operated by a scheduled airline – none of the rest were. Some of the aircraft involved in these fatal flights were leased from a junk dealer – an aircraft salvage dealer! They were flown by people who were not even qualified to be at the controls. Did they just take the low bid and tell them where they wanted to go? It looks like that’s exactly what happened to one football team. The questions asked about Morgantown’s airport are not out of line – in this instance, they do have adequate facilities available – in many, they were not.

Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple

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by liquor dealer on Oct 28, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Going out on a limb here...

…but I’ll put my money no Big 12 teams dying in airplane explosions because we added WVU to the conference. Certainly hope I didn’t just jinx anyone. I’m more worried about shark attacks.

I've been fueling my dreams eating greens and beans...

by 16thLonghorn on Oct 28, 2011 10:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The chances are better for frostbite, actually.

We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.

by Snide Aside on Oct 28, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or death from infection of raccoon scratches

We have to be SO careful!

I've been fueling my dreams eating greens and beans...

by 16thLonghorn on Oct 28, 2011 10:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not that worried about shark attacks in Morgantown...

unless they have an aquarium.

Not to dispute your main point though. Plane crashes are pretty rare.

I am on Twitter @jeffchaley

by Reggieball on Oct 29, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Has anyone figured how good this is for recruiting?

WVU is very close to the DC metro area, which has some fantastic football and basketball athletes. We’ve recruited this area decently in the past (Lovell Pickney, Kevin Durant, a few others) and this strengthens our ability to cherry-pick from this region, in addition to the Maryland series.

by Erasmus Funderburke on Oct 28, 2011 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Mizzou or Aggies?

What to do tomorrow. Do I want the aggies or tigers to win tomorrow?

I kind of hope for ags to knock the little cry baby tigers out so they won’t get bowl eligible because they, of all teams, have no right to represent the Big XII post-season, or do I hope Mizzou wins because knocking the aggies out of the top 25 is always a happy place?

I don’t want bad kharma so i’m trying to think who I want to win, but I keep thinking I want them both to lose. Who are you pulling for tomorrow?

Also, K-State over OU? Yes, for me.

We're Texas, We're not OK.

by Wrangler86 on Oct 28, 2011 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I am Rooting for the Less Stupid SEC Move

And sadly that is the Aggies. At least they belong in the SEC and stand somewhat of a chance of winning that conference. Mizzou is just…no…just no Mizzou.

by Silentjay on Oct 28, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had respect for them until....

An academic school wishing for Big 10 admittance, and stumbling their way into the SEC. It is sad. I thought they would acknowledge theri bottom of addiction for Big 10 prior to this, but they can’t hit bottom until they stop digging.

We're Texas, We're not OK.

by Wrangler86 on Oct 28, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Always...

pull against the Aggies.

by Old Horn on Oct 29, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Louisville-Have some faith

Big XII and WVu announce WVu for 2012. Clearly nobody thinks Big East is around to enforce 27 month exit fee. So, that must mean Louisville is somewhere else and this announcement today didn’t bring out the big guns you would expect. Louisville is number 11, but who is number 12?

We're Texas, We're not OK.

by Wrangler86 on Oct 28, 2011 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

actually,...

you’d have to fly to pittsburg… 1417 mi.
and then drive to morgantown wv… 76 mi.
austin to LA… 1378 mi.

by Quacker Backer on Oct 28, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Given LA traffic

It will take you as long to drive from LAX to the Colisieum as to drive from PIT to Morgantown.

Wash.

by nvrfrgt63 on Oct 29, 2011 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tony: Notre Dame has arrived, (Notre Dame drops the leg on ISU) OH MY GOD!!!

    Dusty: WHAT IS HE DOING?!!ARE THEY THE TWELFTH TEAM?!!
    Bobby: They are the Twelfth team!
    Dusty: WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AROUND HERE?!!
    Bobby: NOTRE DAME has betrayed NCAA! They are the Twelfth team in this picture.

by Silentjay on Oct 28, 2011 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Welcome to the Big 12 Mountaineers!

As Humphrey Bogart told me one time, “Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.”

Hook Em Horns!

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