Mizzou Likely Heading to SEC
by 40AS on Oct 4, 2011 8:06 PM CDT
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PrintMizzou is likely as good as gone from the Big 12, with chancellor Brady Deaton stepping down as chairman of the Big 12 and the Board of Curators (read: regents) authorizing him to explore the university's options. Today's announcement is kind of like a coach who says "I'm not going to comment on that" or "I'm happy where I am" but doesn't say "I am not a candidate for that position." Gone. But we could be wrong. (We doubt it.) Look for this to quickly turn to Mizzou accepting an invitation as the SEC's 14th team and joining the Aggies in perpetual football mediocrity.
Make that, continuing to join the Aggies in perpetual football mediocrity. We obviously don't get it--why go to a new conference just when this one is giving you what you want in terms of equal revenue sharing, you've built some success in this conference, and you will likely be overwhelmed on the field in the other conference? A&M has been a middling Big 12 team for most of its time in the league and will continue to be a middling SEC team. It's hard for us to imagine that in Missouri's case this won't push them further out to the margins than they already are in football, and in basketball it will lower their profile--not raise it.
Regardless, much like A&M the decision has probably been made, whether it's actually in the best interests of the institution or not. They'll miss their rivalry with Kansas, but forget not that it was Mizzou that largely started all this mess last summer by making eyes at the Big Ten and then getting embarrassingly rejected. So, off they go. We wish them luck.
What will this mean for the Big 12 when it inevitably happens? Well, it actually in all likelihood sounds the death knell for the Big East. This will take the SEC off the table for West Virginia, which makes it more likely the 'Neers will express interest in joining a revamped Big 12 with a more socialist television rights deal. The Big 12 still needs to decide whether it wants 10 or 12 teams, but assuming it ends up wanting 12 then Louisville and West Virginia both look likely to receive offers. All this is speculation, of course; but that would be exceedingly problematic for the Big East as a football conference, especially if TCU came to the Big 12 as well.
Also: OU sucks. It' still Hate Week, and the 2011 football season is still way more interesting than speculation about future conference affiliation. As such, we recommend you just remember OU sucks and don't worry about all this foolishness anymore.
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Can we just nuke Mizzou?
I’m the realignment guy and I’m tired of this. Our country has a lot of nukes it’s almost never used. Now seems like a good time to make sure they still work. No one will miss Columbia.
a lot of Mizzou grads in the media
they would work really hard to keep this from happening.
Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!
by TexasGarcia37 on Oct 4, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm liking this idea
but since the aggies think they are the military can’t we try some out on them too?
We're Texas, We're not OK.
nukes baby...nukes
But warn me first, I’m in Houston. Maybe we can do it to them when they play mizzou in columbia
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Mizzou calls themselves the rocks
They are more like a pebble in the ocean. I don’t want them to leave, but they are not going to be that hard to replace.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
We own the Big 14 trademark. It is time to expand!!!!!
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
How about "The Big Two And A Bunch Of Interchangable And Forgettable Schools Conference"?
by Hopkins Horn on Oct 4, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like it.
But the Big 12 was kinda like that, wasn’t it? There was Texas and OU and then everyone else.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
maybe this
Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!
by TexasGarcia37 on Oct 4, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the sig.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
I've been up to my eyeballs in alligators lately
Trying to limit my bloggin to afterwork…need to make some money these days
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Tier 3 Rights
So….what do you think the chances are that LSU, Bama and/or Florida start coughing when the rest of the SEC decide to start squeezing their nads to sign over their Tier 3 rights?
We're Texas, We're not OK.
'Sup Longhorn fans!
From what I’ve heard, as a result of this, BYU and Boise State may very well be the replacements for A&M and Mizzou. No, I’m not kidding. BYU has already publicly come out and expressed interest while BSU’s president has been privately lobbying with the conference.
Anyway, I really only bring this up because Texas and Boise could potentially share in the glory of numerous Oklahoma chokejobs over the next six years at least. Hell, we’re 1-0 in the all-time series! :) And also because you all are good people, and some of you guys have come over to OBNUG to defend/compliment us over the years, so I figured I could give you the heads up.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Hey....love the beatdowns on OU
Love your coaches. Hate your field and the distance.
I think BYU makes sense, but not sure we’d go off that far….especially hard on non-rev sports. But, like how scrappy y’all play. Welcome over here anytime with good attitude.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
One finger solute to all of you in Texas.
Listen up Texas, and listen good you dirty pigs.
The revenue Florida gets for tier 3 rights is no where close to 300 million. The new SEC network will eliminate tier 3 revenue anyway.
Mizzou schedule in the SEC won’t be that much more difficult than our Big12 schedule this year. We are HAPPY as hell to be a top 15-30 football program built on CLASS and INTEGRITY. Not greed and ignorance like you. So good riddance.
You had your sunscreen and bags packed for LA and the Pac 2 weeks ago. You could have cared less about us. So, see ya later. The ignorance by this article is a perfect example of all of your ignorances.
And, replacing us with TCU and SMU should be hilarious. Now you can keep a good eye on all of your step children and beat them like red heads.. but it ain’t gonna be us anymore you filthy blind fools.
Troll much?
Guess you don’t know how to divide $300M by 20….it comes out to roughly the same as Florida got.
Go back under those beat up old painted rock in your endzone
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Thanks for stopping by.
Head back on over to Rock M Nation if you can’t play nice here.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
"Top 15-30 football program"? When?
Maybe Mizzou is in the top 15-30 football programs in the state of Missouri…or maybe in your own deluded mind…but not in any real sense. Much like the aggies, you guys think way more of yourselves than…well, anybody else.
To be honest, you are the team that nobody can ever remember when others are trying to name the members of our conference. Alabama and Florida want you…just like TEXAS and OU wanted you…in exactly the same way and for exactly the same reasons. You are just being transferred to a new prison yard…same rules apply. If you can’t be tough, be pretty (I recommend you carry cigarettes and lip-stick.)
by MCA UT1987 on Oct 4, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like this guy
He curses like a 1950s western
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 4, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Boy, this is embarassing
The Pigs would be Arkansas, we’re the Longhorns
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
Woo 'Horns sooie?
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
no kidding
this kid isn’t going to make it in the SEC….they love their pig barbecue, and don’t take kindly to it being used as profanity.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Fixed
Wearewould be HAPPY as hell to be a top 15-30 football program built on CLASS and INTEGRITY.
Except
You built your imaginary 15-30 rankings in football using Texas HS talent.
What’s the plan now? Come to Mizzou and play 1 game in Texas every other year?
"The ignorance by this article is a perfect example of all of your ignorances."
My favorite part of his post…Missouri may not be able to compete on the field, but they should fit right in academically!
by BurntOrangeForever on Oct 5, 2011 7:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I, for one, would like to continue with this traditional rivalry
Perhaps play Missouri during our new opening over Thanksgiving?
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
This thanksgiving day schedule is looking brutal.
A double-header against Notre Dame and Mizzou.
My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!
why would the SEC take Mizzou?
since when is Mizzou part of the Southeast? does no one in the SEC own a map?
formerly "Horns102591"
They want the lucrative Kansas City/ St. Louis market.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
Yup
A better television deal eclipses all other issues
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
You have to wonder what happens to that market when the home state team’s program lapses into mediocrity? Do the stats still hold? I’m asking because i don’t know.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
It's all about subscriber households.
They don’t have to actually watch it.
"So I want everybody to think here for a second, how much does this game mean to you? 'Cause if it means something to you, you can't stand still. You understand? You play fast! You play strong! You go out there and dominate the man you're playing against, and you make his ass quit! That's our trademark! That's our M.O.... as a team! That's what people know us as!" - Coach Nick Saban before the 2008 LSU game.
by 12NationalChampionships on Oct 4, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
But when your eyeballs start to drop in a market, your advertising dollars go down and negotiations get a little sticky with the network. Chances are, they may not want to pay you as much as you think you deserve the next go-around.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
"state team's program lapses into mediocrity?"
Great question…Missouri is the school with the most experience in mediocrity…we should ask them…
Best TV Markets
The SE only has 4 really large makets. 1) Florida (got it) 2)Atlanta (got it) 3) North Carolia (ACC has it, and those schools aren’t going to the SEC 4) Northern Virginia (VTech and UVA said they were staying in the ACC. That leaves STL and KC as the closest and largest available markets
Also Missouri is a member of the Southern Governor’s Association (as well as the Midwest Governors Association)
a member of TWO Governors associations?
That’s an unfair recruiting advantage!!!
Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.
Geography doesn't seem to matter anymore...
hence why BYU and Boise are seen as legitimate targets for the Big 12.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
no map made after the civil war i am afraid
viva la revolution!
Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.
Haha, I do love old westerns. And I’m only 26.
Mizzou borders 3 SEC states. and Now all 13 Confederate States of America states will be in one conference.
And what are you talking about dividing 300 by 20??? I may not be informed fully, but Texas was not going to give up tier 3 rights and would earn 300 times more than any one else in the big 12.
and Now all 13 Confederate States of America states will be in one conference.
There’s an awful lot going on in that sentence which hurts my eyes.
Yea
Somebody needs to spend 10 hours with Mr. Ken Burns
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
I assumed that was intentional
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
LOL me too
I thought ol HH was being clever and whatnot.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Her?
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 5, 2011 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions
It's as Ann as the nose on plain's face!
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Is she funny or something?
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 5, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Only well-educated,latte-drinking, Volvo driving, liberal elitists watch Ken Burns’ documentaries and PBS.
Shame on you. The terrorists win when you watch that type of propaganda.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
Now all 13 Confederate States of America
Clearly not a history major.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
You can’t argue with a moron. You know this, Em. Remember all those discussions with a certain fan base?
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
Yes, but
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
by LonghornEm on Oct 4, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
depends on what book he's reading from
The South had 11 states formally secede but they also claimed that Missouri and Kentucky were states as well so if you count the number of states the South “claimed” they had yes he could say 13 but most historians only count the 11 that actually did secede
formerly "Horns102591"
That of course does not change the fact that NO 13 states are represented in the SEC
No team from North Carolina and no team from Virginia. So even counting the “Border States,” the statement that all 13 confederate states are together again is hilariously inaccurate. And that doesn’t even consider the fact that if you’re going to count Kentucky and Missouri, you really ought to count Maryland as well because it, too, was considered a “Border State.”
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
this explains Alabama
And how
by babyarm on Oct 5, 2011 11:09 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Obviously you aren't informed at all
which is always a pleasant way to go on another fansite and show how uniformed you are.
The LHN is a $300M 20 year deal which for AAU challenged institutions is $15M a year. FL gets about $12M a year for their tier 3 rights on the Sunshine Network. Good luck with convincing them that they owe Mizzou something. They appreciate you offering your tv sets for their media rights.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I stand by my earlier post
Missouri is a perfect fit academically.
Just an FYI neighbor, there were 11 Confederate States, not 13. Tennessee and Kentucky fought for the Union.
Considering Missouri plays an annual rivalry game against Kansas that has its roots in that era, one would think you would know that.
by BurntOrangeForever on Oct 5, 2011 7:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Leader of the Klan was a decorated Gen from TN for the CSA. Tenn did fight for the confederacy.
“A better tv deal eclipses all other issues”
Umm yeah, that’s why we are in this predicament all together,you because of a tv deal made by you Texas. No other conference in America would allow that type of gap in revenue between teams. So ummm.. this started with you. It’s not are fault we are appealing to the SEC for our 2 tv markets and bordering states. You should have treated us a little better for being a clean and respectable opponent for all these years. You could have cared less about us 2 weeks ago. And you continue to be ignorant to the advantage of the Longhorn Network.
The LHN would explain Missouri's overtures to the Big Ten last summer
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
Some have to be convinced that ALL schools in the conference are committed to the conference.
The Longhorns are clearly doing what completely best for them with is perfectly acceptable and Missouri is doing what they believe is best for them. I’m not trolling at all but a lot of people just don’t understand how threatened the other schools are by the Longhorn Network.
We see that everyone is threatened. We are the big, bad, rich bullies on the block.
Texas has always been the wealthiest program in the conference and one of the richest in the country. The LHN will give us more revenue once it gets off the ground. Are we going to buy recruits? No, we don’t do that now and we will not do so in the future. (Although you better be ready to pony up some big bucks to recruit head-to-head in the SEC.) Will we get some of the top recruiting classes in the country? Yes, but we already do that now. Will we beef up our facilities? If needed, yes. But we currently have some of the best in the country right now.
So tell me, what’s different?
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
You are in bed with - ESPN - that is what is different
and ESPN has a lot of power over the rest of us. This part of the deal cannot be glibly sugarcoated away as a concern for the rest of the conference.
So by your reasoning, since you have everything you could ever want and need, why do you need MORE? Glutony, perhaps?
oh hail the Purple and White
were you complaining this much
when Kansas got 7 mil per year for their tier 3 rights?
And what does Mizzou bring to the table besides an incompetent football coach?
by the other Andrew on Oct 4, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you actually graduate from Missouri?
I had such high expectations for their grads.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
Wouldn't you like to know?
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Haha, I’m rattled from the Cardinal game… If I was you I would rip my grammar as well. And I just used spell check to spell grammar, thought it was grammer. Shit.
Do you know how to use "reply" ?
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
I'm almost glad Mizzou is wanting to leave
since it will make a strong statement to the rest of America: equal revenue sharing IS NOT and has NEVER BEEN the problem with the Big XII. In the span of one week, the Big XII has voluntarily eliminated unequal revenue sharing AND Dan Beebe – the two scapegoats of many of the conference’s problems. So what happens? Another northern member wants to bolt. Missouri and A&M, you’ll find that LSU and Alabama are just as big of bullies as Texas and OU.
BEVO IS ANGRY!
Enough fun with our Confederate friend
I’m gonna go lay in bed and watch the LHN
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
Southern Missouri was actually considered Confederate sympathizers.
But, most folks in Missouri probably want to forget that past.
Mizzou has always placed academics first and it will be surprising if they throw in the towel now.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Kentucky....
was never a member of the Confederacy, and the SEC has no schools in North Carolina or Virginia…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Basically the entire state was overwhelmingly pissed at how we’ve been treated, especially in the last 2 weeks. Further, the PR stunt last night with the “equal revenue sharing” story. The revenue sharing story is a joke, it doesn’t touch the main issue tier 3!!! LOL, why is that not getting through to your heads!!!
LOL I don't know!!!! Maybe if you used more exclamation points we would!!!!!!!
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Our heads are full of brains
Mizzou is going to jeopardize its AAU status in the SEC. I still don’t buy that they will go. They are trying to leverage Big 10, and again, it will not work.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
If any school gives up their third-tier rights in this day, they are stupid. Eventually that will be a huge revenue source for every new media that opens up and a school can tap into.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
There is no "main issue."
The problem is either “Big XII instability” or unequal revenue sharing or Dan Beebe or the Longhorn Network or Texas not being trustworthy enough or Texas being too greedy. All the “reasons” for leaving the Big XII amount to a massive amount of BULL SHIT. Let’s face it, everyone wants more money and everyone other than Texas and OU think they are somehow being treated unfairly because their teams suck on the field / court. C’mon, Tier 3 money is now a problem? It’s a problem because Texas finally figured out a way to make money off of it. The idiots will bitch about it while the smart schools will follow suit. Have fun playing games on the future Roll Tide TV.
BEVO IS ANGRY!
Haha, you guys aren’t so bad, I kind of wish I signed on here earlier. Kind of missing big 12 already.
Damn dude is all over the place
I hate you! I love you! I hate you! I miss you!
Sheesh. Get it together, man.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
this is funny...
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Why is a Mizzou fan giving us so much grief on here?
What the hell did BONers do to him?
Hook Em Horns!
I guess it's like when Beergut slapped that SEC thing on his avatar
To you know rub it in or something cause apparently it’s supposed to give us butthurt or some such.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Beergut has had that avatar for over a year now.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Yeah I know
Whatever, I don’t know what I was saying.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t know about jeopardizing the AAU. With TAM and Mizzou’s eventual acceptance the SEC now has 4 AAU members to Big12 3…. just saying. And Vandy hasn’t had a problem with this. And yes Missouri has a lot of Meth labs.
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"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 4, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Can someone give me the odds
of TAMU and Mizzou going to the conference championship in the Big12 compared to the SEC in football?
Hook Em Horns!
sure
both of their odds are better in the Big 12 than the SEC.
It’s science.
by the other Andrew on Oct 4, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn you, Missouri! Stop looking out for yourself!
You and A&M! Doing everything to take care of yourself! Why, you’re all selfish and greedy and arrogant! Think of the conference, why don’t you? Damn you all and your greedy hearts!
/smirk
I haven’t been laid in a while, that is a true statement.
Winning championships would be nice, but we just want to be on solid ground. Literally 2 weeks ago you left us for dead. We are at a pivotal point in our program, we’ve built football and basketball up to respectable levels, we have the number one player in the country sitting in Springfield MO. We want to capitalize on the last 5 years of success and take the next step forward. Not gonna happen on shaky Big12 ground.
last 5 years of success
In what?
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
not sex apparently
I haven’t been laid in a while, that is a true statement.
Sally, will you meet me at the airport?
+1 - perfect
Don't matter what they throw at us. Only angry people win football games.
Darrell Royal
So what you're saying is...
…Missouri is only looking out for itself?
Man, that’s pretty, you know, selfish of you. What about the Big 12? Think of the Big 12!!!!!!!!
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Literally 2 weeks ago you left us for dead.
Actually, no. What you, and every other conference school, fails to understand that Texas does not now, nor do they ever, want to leave this conference. The school rattling the saber was OU, not Texas. That Sunday meeting was to get the Sooners back on the same page and keep them in the conference.
If you don’t know that piece of information, you are seriously misinformed.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
by dimecoverage on Oct 4, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You Texas folks are arrogant D-Bags
How can you blame Mizzou? Your administration has run the Big 12 in the ground over the last 15 years. Notice how the Big 8 was just fine before you came along and brought your Texas bullshit with it. You guys are just mad that A&M and Mizzou outsmarted DeLoss and escaped.
by Mark"TheDirty"SanchezFan on Oct 4, 2011 9:14 PM CDT reply actions
just fine?
The former Big 8 members sure loved sticking it to Nebraska when the Big 12 was formed.
by the other Andrew on Oct 4, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is Blaming Mizzou?
They’re just doing what they need to do to look out for #1 — Mizzou.
The curious part is that you and everyone else lack the intellectual honesty to understand that Texas does the same. As does every school.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
So are you intellectually dishonest?
Do you admit you’re only doing what Texas was doing? Looking out for yourself? That your cries of Texas as selfish and greedy was little more than whining because you’re doing the exact same thing?
I’d like to get an answer to this one…
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, DeLoss was keeping Mizzou and A&M
trapped in a conference against their wills. That’s exactly right.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Speak in complete sentences to make yourself understood
Random sentence fragments don’t make you look more informed.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Reminds me of Kevin on the Office last week...
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Me save time
no use big word
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
"Me C World"
“Now do you mean you want to “see the world” or go to “Sea World”"
“Dolphins…Oceans…..China”
“Now see I still have no idea what you mean”
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
when mizzou rule SEC
they see
Sally, will you meet me at the airport?
You Texas folks are arrogant D-Bags . . . by Mark"TheDirty"SanchezFan
Irony is in such short supply nowadays.
you lose points for liking that overrated A-Hole Mark Sanchez
and when did DeLoss become the Big 12 commissioner? did i miss that press conference? silly me. and here’s a little tip about Mizzou….you are Meg from family guy nobody wants you the M on your helmets stands for Meg. when you have a great year and go to the Big 12 Title Game demanding National attention or you have a high ranking and go to Austin or welcome Texas to Columbia you always get your ass kicked which is our way of saying “Shut Up Meg…”
formerly "Horns102591"
First of all
learn to use the reply function. Second of all, if that’s how you define success then you are not a successful program.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Yes
Yes, that is how we define success a this point.
We don’t need a trophy case full of big12 championships, and we don’t need 300 million a year in revenue that our opponents do not get.
We are classy, and enjoy integrity.
41 wins in 4 years would be successful for any program other than the elites. Texas, Bama, LSU, Ohio State ect. Those teams would be happy with 41 wins, but championships are how they rate success.
He meant Akron....I think
Go Zips!!!!
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
I thought we banned that word?
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
He claimed to be classy.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
"classy and enjoy integrity" ?
so you go to the SEC to display that.
holy tebow, you guys are hypocritical
by the other Andrew on Oct 4, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
So it's your position that selling third-tier rights, as EVERY Big 12 team does, compromises a school's integrity?
If so, then Missouri doesn’t have any more integrity than Texas does, because Missouri sells its third-tier rights.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 4, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
It's obvious, isn't it?
The very basic foundation of their anti-Texas logic is that “Texas is bad”, even though they’re doing the exact same thing — looking out for themselves. Yet, in their haze of “blame someone”, they can’t grasp this notion.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, somehow it's like saying that a $500 hooker is a hooker, but a $10 hooker isn't
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― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 4, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
daaaaang, that many?
must have a trophy shelf full of big 12 championships, bcs games, final fours, college world series, and what not…
by the other Andrew on Oct 4, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I was at the Mizzou blog a few years ago when Texas was playing them
And Mizzou fans were bitching about how Mack Brown was classless for going for a fake punt at midfield with Jordan Shipley.
IN THE FIRST QUARTER!!!!!
They expected to lose that game so badly, they were mad Mack pulled a sneaky fake punt on them in the first quarter.
I completely lost all respect for Mizzou fans after that. That’s some “winning” attitude right there, folks.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I can google, too.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
Stats from your Big 12 wins…
10 yrs. 42-38 .525 percentage
Ummmmm.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
Is that better or worse than A&M?
It says something about the state of A&M over the years that that’s questionable without looking it up.
Pinkel
Pinkel turned the program around, just in the last 5-6 years has he been able to turn things around. And you know this. You can talk about the last 10 years. But the fact is Mizzou has a exceptional athletic department.
Respectable football, basketball, baseball, softball, wrestling (all ranked in top 25 at the same time in recent years). And solid olympic sports.
Also, a clean and respectable partner in a conference. You are losing a solid member. And the 4th solid member in 2 years. Start looking at yourselves for the reason why that is happening.
hahaha
please tell me, “why that is happening”
by the other Andrew on Oct 4, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
are you pissed about KU's tier 3 rights?
because they make about 8 mil per year for them.
the difference is we have a different way to broadcast them
by the other Andrew on Oct 4, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
you don't sound very....umm certain about that
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
We did what now to the commish?
Forced him to go through the pupal stage of an insect’s life cycle? Damn.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
I am bored, single, and living in a city I didn’t grow up in for work… so yes, I have nothing better to do than give you my perspective.
by Mograyback on Oct 4, 2011 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Man, if I was another Mizzou fan, I'd jump on this board to disown you
You are seriously making your fanbase look bad LOL. I don’t think you even realize how badly.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
How so
HAHA. I highly doubt that. Besides grammar mistakes, how have I disgraced my fan base…
Dude, go back and re-read your comments
If you’re still proud of yourself after all that, then good for you.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus you haven't been laid in.....a while, right?
Does that factor in as well?…
by SneezyBeltran on Oct 4, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing against Missouri...
But this brings us one step closer to my dream scenario — Big 12 invites for Louisville and Cincinnati. Yes, that is right. That is my dream. It would be nice to see Texas play in person from time to time without having to get on an airplane to do it.
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Not in easy driving distance from my house...
And I am not pushing it too much. It isn’t like I am asking for Xavier (they don’t play football). So at least I am realistic.
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Sheesh. This isn’t about you, Reggie. :-)
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
What is this lacrosse you speak of?
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
More of an upstate New York thing
although it seems to be spreading through these parts. Some former colleagues’ kids play.
It was huge where I grew up. Bigger than football. (I know that is shocking to Texas folks, but it is the truth.) My high school had varsity, JV, and Freshman teams for boys, and varsity and JV for girls.
Supposedly Jim Brown was a hell of a lacrosse player at Syracuse. Imagine someone that big running at you holding a stick.
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Lacrosse is popular at private schools in Texas and it is filtering down to the upper income public schools.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
Highland Park has a team (I think)
it could be club though…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
It does seem to be catching on other places...
mostly in affluent schools. I never played. I was a basketball and track guy — no one wants some 6-5 guy running around swinging a stick anyway. Back in the early 90s, pretty much every school of sufficient size in our region (outside of Buffalo) had teams.
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And a mid-Atlantic thing too
Jim Brown is regarded as one of the best lax players ever. Dirty scumbag Orangeman.
No kidding
That’s why I didn’t ask for Xavier. I don’t expect to be able to walk to the games.
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THIS
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Solid idea
Texas Longhorns football in Maryland. Now if we could just find some fantastic BBQ, I’d be set.
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by burntorangehorn on Oct 4, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love to be able to see some Horns-UL/Cin baseketball games every year.
Wow.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
add in BYU and WVU and I'm sold
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
WVU is 5 1/2 hours...
Drivable, but I would have to spend the night. And I prefer to be out of West Virginia before the sun goes down. Still, I guess it works.
Also would be great to get Bob Huggins into the same conference with UC. Lot’s of funny feelings there. UC alumni still love Huggy; it would be kind of weird.
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Imagine the fun with Holgersen in the conference. I hope he doesn’t settle down or join AA or something, before he gets here.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
I wonder if he and Huggins like to party together
I hope they get a designated driver.
I am on Twitter @jeffchaley
We should add Tulane. It would be a great excuse to go party on bourbon Street.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
Hawaii?
Hell no. I don’t want face that crazy dance they do every game…
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
FAU? Why not A&M Corpus Christi???
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
HEY! Corpus has the USS Lexington...
Show some respect!
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
being from Corpus and living in Corpus now
I would rather check out South Beach. At least there is a nite life there.
Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!
by TexasGarcia37 on Oct 4, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine automobiles
The only thing embarrassing about that is it took 10 years to sell the rights. We’ve been trying to sell those naming rights for a decade now, and they kept the “Superdome” (rather than completely renaming to something like the “Mercedes Benz Dome”) so I have no issue with it.
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The new Big 12
West: BYU, Okie St, OU, Tech, Baylor, Texas
East: Kansas, K St, Iowa St, Lville, Cinncy, WVU
The basketball would be amazing…could we kick out ISU for Memphis?
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
DAMN the baseketball would KILL
Yikes. And yes, do add Memphis.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
We should propose a trade with CUSA?
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Only if they don't try to push Houston on us...
…Man, that Houston basketball program is wretched.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
that west conference you propose
reminds me a lot of a super uneven big 12 south vs. north set up. for football that is. otherwise i like the overall group of schools
Sally, will you meet me at the airport?
Mograyback's concern with Tier 3 rights is misguided
Mizzou is not running away because of Tier 3 revenue. I think there was an article in the KC or Tulsa papers that showed that if all Big 12 TV revenue (Tier 1 thru 3) from the 2009-2010 academic year was shared equally that Mizzou’s share would have been less than what it actually received. Same goes for my alma mater. Tier 3 is not the problem.
I think the main concern will be (and has been) the commitment of the conference’s flagship football programs to the conference. Mizzou, rightfully in my opinion, has to be concerned with the longterm stability of this conference. That, I think, is the factor pushing MU to the SEC. So if there’s any animosity towards UT it should be based on the perception that UT has a wondering eye and not on the LHN.
I should add
A&M leaving the Big 12 has nothing to do with what I said above. Those f’ers are another story that I’m sure has been beaten to death on BON.
Please see my comment way back on the thread.
Texas does not now, nor have we ever wanted to leave this conference. Why do you think Dodds is fighting so hard to keep it together? That seems a piece of his puzzle that very few understand. Dodds will go kicking and screaming to his grave to keep Texas in his conference.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
Freudian slip?
“his conference.” I meant this conference.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
by dimecoverage on Oct 4, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
According to every other school in the conference...
It is a true statement.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
I can't claim that it's a fair perception or not
but there is a perception out there beyond the borders of Texas that UT (and OU for that matter) are keeping an eye out for greener pastures. It would not surprise me if that perception found its way up to the Missouri Board of Curators.
I could be totally wrong on this. If there are other Big 12 fans reading this outside the state of Texas that do not also feel like this perception exists out there then I will gladly eat my words.
That’s my point. Unfortunately the perception is there that Texas will bolt at a moment’s notice. It is not going to happen.
Dodds wants this conference to survive so that we can make bizillion dollars from the LHN, solidify our incestuous relationship with ESPN and rule the world.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
This makes a lot more sense to me...
It is more fun to talk about the LHN, etc, but really schools are worried about long term stability. It all depends on how you see things playing out. If someone is of the view that we are headed to four 16 team super-conferences, then it makes sense to be sure to get into one of them. It seems like the safest conferences are the SEC (at 13 teams), the Pac-12, and the Big 10 (at 12 teams). That means there are currently 11 “safe” spots, if you buy the 16 team super-conference scenario as the likely future. The fourth super-conference would be some sort of concoction of Big 12, ACC, and Big East schools, with ND in the mix as well. It is pretty risky to wait for that to play out, so much better to grab a chair right now.
In Texas’ case (and OU’s as well) we feel pretty comfortable that we will be one of the schools to get a seat if things all fall apart and the super-conference era begins. But for Mizzou, it is probably better to be safe than sorry.
Not to say I am rooting for super-conferences — I am not. But if you think that is where things are headed, then this all makes a lot of sense.
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Wouldn't the ACC be one of the safest conferences?
They are already at 14 teams, and have seriously expanded their media markets with the additions of Pitt and Syracuse (as mediocre as those programs are)
by 2.1 seconds left on Oct 4, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If so...
that is even more reason for Mizzou to leave the Big 12. In that case, there are only 13 spots up for grab in the super-conferences. Also, know that a few of these will go to Texas, OU, Notre Dame, etc. So better to get in now, before it is too late.
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Mizzou fan
I was linked to this from a Mizzou sight and read some of the comments from some Mizzou guy and thought I would give you some insight from a level headed person. This won’t be a well worded post just a bunch of points, so if you want to correct my grammar feel free I don’t care.
I have been to Austin many times and love it there, the people couldn’t be nicer. Actually made me feel bad for how poorly he treat visiting fans. I will miss going to games there.
Basically Mizzou and the rest of the Big 8 hate Texas. We never really wanted you, but the money was right I guess so we became the Big 12. (Part of the agreement was that this was a new conference not an expanding Big 8 which pissed a lot of people off) This is why 3 of the Big 8 schools schools will have left the conference and had 2 others that would have liked leave OU / OSU. The others have no options.
Offices, basketball tournaments and championships games were all moved to Texas after the had always been in KC
Mizzou is making this move for stability, the conference is dead and Texas is killing it, we play by your rules in the Big Tex. This is the main reason for us leaving, stability
This long term 6 year commitment is a joke, we all know that if you or OU wants out you can afford to get out, no one else can. Once OU leaves or you guys finally get the balls to go independent (I mean you act like it all ready just do it) the the conference is really dead and we may be on the outside looking in
The bowl selection process is a joke, Mizzou has been screwed year after year. Most notably in 06 when we beat 2 teams that played in BCS games and Mizzou was left out because we lost to OU twice? Left out of the Cotton bowl last year even though we beat A&M at A&M most recently
The LHN is not the main problem, however it is a problem. It’s a huge recruiting advantage, like you need another one.
Honestly we don't care.
Mizzou is as good as any other also-ran in the Texas/OU conference.
Call it arrogance or greed or whatever, but Texas just has natural advantages to other schools and for them to sit on their hands to make sure no one’s feelings get hurt is just stupid.
We’ll find another W to schedule every year.
The reason we comment on this story is because we can’t understand why Mizzou and Aggie would want to move to a situation that hurts your competitiveness on the football field when as of now, you guys actually have respectable programs.
Also we get peeved when people just blame Texas for moving instead of owning up and saying they’re doing it just to look out for themselves. You can’t paint Texas as the bad guy when Mizzou has been actively opening their dress for the B1G and SEC for a couple of years.
My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!
This is the reason were leaving
Texas won’t sit on there hands, they are going to do what they have to do and Mizzou is doing the same thing.
I don’t understand how you thing a move to the SEC would hurt Mizzou competitively, the Big 12 is just as tough as the SEC and this opens up the south to Mizzou to recruit. They will be just fine.
Are we going to dominate the conference no but we never dominated the Big 12 either, we have a better shot in a conference with a championship game which the Big 12 no longer has.
And saying that Mizzou started this by flirting with the B1G is like saying a girl who’s boyfriend treats her like a second class citizen is to blame for flirting with a guy who shows some interest in her
Second class citizen? Texas has one vote just like Mizzou in conference matters.
My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!
I understand if you're leaving what appears to be a sinking ship.
Better to leave when you have a chance than to risk not having an out later. Good luck.
My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!
The bowl selection process doesn't have much to do with the conference...
Bowl selection is a total sham. It is all about money. (Bowls are businesses.) That isn’t getting any better unfortunately.
If Mizzou is truly leaving the conference, then that is a bummer from my perspective. But I don’t blame them at all. If the Big 12 does fall apart, things can get pretty ugly for whoever is left.
The solution for the Big 12 is to go and get schools from an even more unstable conference, the Big East.
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So as a self-appointed "levl headed person" will you admit...
…the one thing your fellow Mizzou fans who have wandered over here refuses to admit — which is, that you are simply looking out for yourself and could give a rat’s ass about the conference, and that it’s less about “big bad Texas” and more about “doing what’s right and good for Mizzou”?
Which, let me remind you, is the exact same thing Texas is doing. LOOKING OUT FOR #1.
Your fellow Mizzou fans don’t seem to be able to grasp this notion, but let’s see if you can…
Waiting…
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I know they are
Texas is looking out for itself and so is Mizzou I get that. What upsets people is when Texas takes the attitude like this post as says, “What does this little sub par team from Missouri thinks its doing? They are a nobody.” Like we don’t have to right to look out for ourselves. Also don’t pretend that Texas cares about this conference, the only reason they do is because all they money it allows them to make, not the conference itself.
Could you explain the bowl selection complaint?
I’ve seen it from multiple Mizzou fans now and I still have yet to acquire so much as a clue as to why that has anything to do with Missouri leaving the conference. You are aware that the conference has, literally, NOTHING to do with that, right? That the selection is done entirely by the bowls themselves based on how much money they can make off each team (taking into account how well their fans travel and how many eyeballs they can put in front of TV sets)? If you are aware of that, then how can that have anything to do with the Big 12 and, moreover, how does moving to the SEC make one iota of a difference? Bowls didn’t pick you because the alternatives made them more money; that isn’t going to change, considering just how corrupt the bowl system is.
Confrences slate bowls
The Big 12 allows it’s bowl partners to pick which teams play in their bowls. Other conferences slot teams in bowls based on where they finish in the conference, regardless if the bowl wants them or not. The SEC does this for the teams that finish 1st and 2nd in each division so it would change.
I don't think that's true.
Do you have any evidence that they force the Capital One, Cotton, and Chick-fil-A bowls to take certain teams?
best wishes to Mo
I lived a few years in Mo. Graduated high school there. Still have wonderful friends there. so i have no ax to grind with them. but i went to college at UT and law school at UT. Here is my take.
Mo is not upset about tier three money, or equal revenue. Like many have said they are seeking stability and truthfully, i don’t see a lot of Big 12 loyalty from much of anyone. So i suspect Mo will take a hike
and the SEC is a great fit for them. I am amazed when folks think the geography is not a fit for them, or that the “culture” is not a fit for them. Mo is just as good a fit geographically for the SEC as it is for Big 12, and culturally will fit in fine with most of those schools. (ok so maybe not a Miss school , but they fit ok with the Aggies and the Aggies do belong in the SEC cultural wise)
my only real problem with any of this is that as much as i would love BYU or even Boise, that is where geography starts to not make sense. And our choices of schools that make sense geographically are not schools i would love to have. (TCU, SMU, UH).
oh well what is nice is that nothing i say or do or feel will make a bit of difference and what will happen will just happen. So i, as opposed to that MO guy, am headed to bed where I WILL get laid tonight. (LHN is not the ONLY benefit of being a UT alum)
Great Move by Missouri Tigers.....
The level of ignorance here is astounding! Several weeks ago Texas, once again attempting to ruin another conference tried to force there way into the Pac12. Well..the Pac12 told Texas where they could shove it. Last year Nebraska and Colorado told Texas where they could shove it. This year A&M and Missouri told Texas where they could shove it! You mental midgets getting a common theme here? You blame Missouri for doing what is best for them? Hypocrisy at it’s finest coming from the university that ruined the Southwest Conference and now the former Big 8.
I would suggest you get control of your own ignorance and over inflated egos…OU owns you on the field…now 4 former Big 12 teams own you on the conference realignment game…and your program is faltering…karma s a wonderful thing!
Asta lavista baaaaaby…..we’re off to the BEST Football conference in the nation! Enjoy playing KU and whomever else will allow themselves to be your biatches….
Losing consistently in the BEST Football conference in the nation
does not make you a good program, especially when you’ve been losing in a weaker conference.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Also
How does a program we’ve beaten 59 times to their 41 “own” us? As a mental midget, I’d love for you to clear that up for me.
Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.
Perfect response to why we are leaving....mental midgets
Being part of an equitable conference, and the BEST Football conference in America is good for our program. We will win some, lose some, but we will also continue to take recruits from your state…in fact most likely now at an increased rate. We have been extremely successful recruiting Texas players in a weaker conference setting….in the SEC we will take more.
As far as OU owning you…unlike a lot of Texas fans who’s life is the High School Football Ring…well I am more concerned about recent success rather than memory lane. Each season is a new season and those that rest on their laurels are losers. The only thing that matters is what happens this year. Can’t wait to put a pounding on you in Columbia later this year. Also OU will own you again this year….
Man you're dumb
We have been extremely successful recruiting Texas players in a weaker conference setting….in the SEC we will take more.
Of course you’ve been “successful”. It’s not because Mizzou is so great, genius, it’s because Texas, TCU, A&M, and the rest can only take SO MANY players. The rest have to find homes anywhere they can. It’s not because playing in Mizzou is the dream of Texas kids growing up, genius, it’s because they have to go SOMEWHERE when UT et al are filled up.
Can’t believe you can’t grasp this simple logic. Sheesh.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Recent success
Is beating OU 4 out of 6 times since 2005 “recent” enough for you?
How like them apples? Haha poor Mizzou troll
by jtdoes on Oct 5, 2011 12:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow, where to start?
“Being part of an equitable conference” -you mean one with the exact same sharing and third tier set up as the Big 12 now has?
“but we will also continue to take recruits from your state” “in a weaker conference setting” “in the SEC we will take more” – yes, I"m sure when you go from having multiple games a year in Texas and Oklahoma to playing one game every other year in College Station they’ll be beating down your door. That weaker conference setting included four teams from Texas and many conference championship games in Texas. You’ll take players from Texas like Ole Miss now takes players from Texas, as castoffs.
“Can’t wait to put a pounding on you in Columbia later this year.” – yeah, cause that’s worked out for you so well in the past (this includes the recent past since apparently things that happened before you learned to troll on the internet don’t seem to matter to you).
“As far as OU owning you” … “well I am more concerned about recent success rather than memory lane.” – ok, we’re 2-1 vs. OU in the last 3 years, recent enough for ya? If not, then I believe we’re 4-2 in the last 6 years. Care to post your record v. OU in those time periods to see who is owned? How about v. us?
So you're saying...
Asta lavista baaaaaby…..we’re off to the BEST Football conference in the nation! Enjoy playing KU and whomever else will allow themselves to be your biatches….
You’ve been our “biatches” all this time? Boy, you Mizzou fans sure have a low opinion of yourselves! Har har.
No wonder you’re all running over here to “gloat”. Oy vey.
by iamjackburton on Oct 4, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, the level of ignorance here is astounding!
This should be remedied by moving to the SEC, which has long cultivated a reputation for not allowing ignorance to take root! You never have, and never will win a thing! Something tells me that you’re ignorant of that reality! That’s okay, though, you have a right to be stupid! And that right will be enshrined forever when you sign up with the Confederacy! Why can’t I stop exclaiming! I don’t know! Can’t put my finger on it! Good day, sir!
Texas did NOT try to force "there" way into the Pac 12
Oklahoma presented itself, with Pistol Pete sitting side-saddle, to the Pac 12. There’s some uncertainty about whether the Texas strategy was to sabotage OU/OSU’s Pac 12 bid by standing firm on all things LHN, or if it was to actually try its hardest to enter the Pac 12 while making only limited concessions on the LHN. I tend to buy the former, but either way, it wasn’t Texas that made the overtures.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 4, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for butchering both English and Spanish to prove your mental dominance.
And it’s not so much that you’re wrong, it’s that you know so much that isn’t so. But what would the internet be without opinionated ignorance? In any case, bitching about another’s success doesn’t make you better off.
I really hope Alabama and/or Florida find a way to launch their own networks soon.
id like an explanation as to how our program is crumbling
and how does OU own us?
oh and how have 4 other Big 12 teams owned us in conference shifts? we still make more money than them and id bet money we’ll have more success than them
formerly "Horns102591"
As much as it pains me to say it, I sympathize with Missouri
As a KU fan, I both hate to see MU do well and I hate to lose the rivalry, but I can’t fault them for going to the SEC.
I’m reluctant to post anything here because I don’t want to just be a troll on BON. I actually really enjoy the basketball rivalry we have with Texas, and I’ll never forget the sea of burnt orange on Bourbon Street at the Final Four in New Orleans in 2003. It felt great being conference mates with you then (in a way I didn’t get from the OU fans in Atlanta in 2002).
However, now I feel like Kansas needs to do whatever it can to escape Texas. Even though we financially benefit from unequal revenue sharing (I think we’ve been #1, #3, #3 in the appearance pool the last 3 years), and financially benefit from keeping tier 3 revenues (I think our tier 3 revenues are second only to Texas’ in the conference), the structure of this conference is making it unstable, and, from our perspective, a lot of that can be laid right at Texas’ feet.
Unequal revenue sharing clearly weakens the conference internally. You can find articles going back years of schools complaining about how much more unequal the Big 12 was than the other major football conferences. Commissioner Weiberg left over the inability to get it implemented, and Beebe expressed frustration that he couldn’t get the schools to agree. It wasn’t just Texas, but Texas was a reliable vote against revenue sharing, and deserves some blame.
Sorry for so much negativity on BON. You guys have a good site here. I enjoy it, and I’m looking forward to basketball season.
2 other points
The Longhorn Network occupies this weird quantum state where sometimes it’s a tool to extend the Texas brand and the justifiable payoff from a big risk and a lot of time/effort/money that Texas spent developing it. But then sometimes, it’s a third tier revenue source just like any other (SunSports in Florida or JayhawkTV), which isn’t even run by Texas but by ESPN and shouldn’t be subject to NCAA rulings on HS athletics. If you could just pick one (the money and control, with the NCAA and conference restrictions that should accompany it; or strip the branding and the profit-sharing, and the control over on-air talent and let it be an independent sports network like any other), the conference could start rebuilding some trust, and Texas would still have a big vault of gold coins to swim around in.
Finally, all these digs at Missouri for looking out for itself are cheap. Take shots at them for boasting about leaving last year, but, at this point, schools that have a choice to leave have to at least investigate it. After NU, CU and A&M have left. After OU and UT held meetings of their regents to empower discussions on conference affiliation. After Texas held talks (at some level) with both the Pac-12 and the ACC. After all that, even schools that want to stick together have to start looking out for themselves. If a bully comes up to a weakling, and the weakling says he doesn’t want to fight, and the bully starts hitting him until the weakling starts fighting back, the weakling isn’t a liar or a hypocrite, and the weakling fighting back doesn’t justify the bully’s provocation (sorry for the unnecessarily slanted analogy, but it’s late, and I can’t think up a better one — not saying Texas is a bully, just trying to draw an analogy). Mizzou looking out for itself now that the conference is dying doesn’t justify excessive self-interest by the conference powers in years past.
I don’t think Kansas should or will leave the conference without K-State, but I wish we had other options. I think it’s clear that despite all the claims that “socialism” doesn’t work, the stronger more stable conferences have all had much greater equality of revenue sharing and decision-making. Even with OU and UT at their most vulnerable, it seems clear that the Big 12 will remain the least equal of the major conferences (see poster ideas above), and that will doom the conference to instability.
The LHN and destabilization
I think the assumption that many of us challenge is: the LHN is what is destabilizing the Big 12. Or, Texas’ bullying is destabilizing this conference. While this makes a nice story, I think there are likely other forces at work.
The key thing that seems to be destabilizing the Big 12 right now is that 4 other conferences appear to be more stable. As I commented above, if the Big 12 goes down, there is going to be a mad scramble to get into one of the 4 big money conferences. Some schools will be left out. So why not get in now. That destabilizes the Big 12 and the Big East, which is even in worse shape.
The LHN, Texas’ bullying etc., is a side show for columnists. If the LHN never existed, Mizzou would still want to leave the Big 12, because of the instability.
The LNH is only a real factor for Texas. I saw on Twitter someone referred to the LHN as Texas’ golden handcuffs. That seems dead on. If there were no LHN, chances are good Texas, OU, and friends would be in the Pac-XX right now. This probably would have happened last year. So in a weird way, the LHN (by restricting what Texas wants to do) is kind of stabilizing the conference right now. It gives Texas a pretty strong incentive to work to keep the conference together.
And why do we need more money? While the athletic budget at Texas is in great shape, the university as a whole can definately use the money. Texas has been raising tuition like every other university and the state of Texas doesn’t have unlimited money. This isn’t just about sports. It has broader implications. Why not add additional revenue if you can?
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Texas has done a good job lobbying other conference schools to unify on some votes
But not on some other votes, like tie-breaker rules in the wake of the 2008 poll debacle (45-35!). I’m not sure what bullying takes place, as Texas only has one vote, just like every other school. The school is certainly the biggest, most charismatic guy in the boardroom, but not a dictatorial chairman by any means.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Oct 5, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, RockMNation has better MU fans to present their side
Mizzou fans are the worst people on earth, but they’re not quite as, um, simple, as the two representatives who showed up tonight on BON.
Missouri Will Not Threaten Their AAU Status In The SEC
The contrary is true. Instead, the SEC will have 4 AAU schools. Also, UGA is on the verge of AAU membership, and Auburn isn’t that far behind UGA. The SEC will never be the Big 10 or Pac-12 (and apparently not the ACC now that they have Syracuse and Pitt) but claiming that any school will harm itself academically by joining is ridiculous. A columnist in the Daily Oklahoman reminded OU fans trashing the SEC academically of this by pointing out that OU would rank 5th in the SEC academically, only a few spots ahead of the University of Tennessee.
Oh, no! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
See ya later, alligator.
i wish y'all could take care of this integrity issue so we could start planning our wedding. =)
“Texas has another issue. Pac-12 folks don’t trust Texas. Those exact words were said to me recently by an administrator at a Pac-12 school, and various versions of those sentiments have been repeated to me for months.” – Ted Miller, ESPN
What have we said we would do that we didn't do
or said we wouldn’t do that we did do, Cracker Snacker?
See ya later, alligator.
by Paleface Horn on Oct 5, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
i think ted miller and the pac12 brass is talking about texas' history of simply taking advantage
without a care about the results their actions have on others, who are suppost to be their “brothers” . It’s a narcisistic mentality and a narcisist can’t be trusted. The impression i get is that the LHN would work if the pac could TRUST that texas does actually care about their ‘brothers’
Gaining back ones integrity is a difficult thing. As a former drug addict it took me years (sober) to gain back the trust and integrity I had lost lying to my doctors and shitting on my family, tearing them up, etc. So I understand what mr. miller is saying and i with that it could get taken care of and we can all ride of into the sunset together. =)
by Quacker Backer on Oct 5, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
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