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Texas vs OU Game Review: Longhorns Offense

Rather than watch another young, rebuilding team (Florida) get overwhelmed by another deep and experienced national title contender (LSU) -- which, by the way, UNACCEPTABLE LOSS FIRE MUSCHAMP NO HEART WE ARE FLORIDA THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN!!1! -- I poured myself a drink, grabbed a notepad, and rewatched the first half of our own game. It was what it was, and you don't need to rewatch it to know what went wrong, but I was interested in doing some pausing and rewinding to see exactly where and how the various breakdowns occurred. Even I couldn't stomach going through the entire game, but after a more careful review of the first half I'm ready to offer a few thoughts on the loss.

Horns_bullet_mediumPerspective.  First, a few words on keeping some perspective. Yes, the progress this team made through four games gave us reason to feel hopeful about a competitive game today, and in that respect it was a huge disappointment. But look, all we found out today is that this team is not at the level of a national title contender, which OU certainly is. If you expected Texas to compete for the national title this year, by all means, get mad, and good luck enjoying your college football fandom over the years. For the rest of us, today was a sobering reminder that Texas is rebuilding. It's still the case that the rebuilding process is off to a great start, but there's plenty of improvement that still has to come.

As for the nature of the loss, whatever -- it was an ugly day with three turnovers that got returned for scores. The only significance of getting blown out so badly is fan pride. Get over it. LSU's 34-11 win over Florida was only less dominant on the scoreboard. Save your angst for when a loaded Texas team underachieves.

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Horns_bullet_mediumAbout that rebuilding.... If the overall rebuilding process is in general on the right trajectory, today's debacle revealed that the biggest project is on the offensive line, where Texas got absolutely brutalized today. At least on offense, that was the beginning and end of the story -- far and away the single biggest reason everything went so horribly wrong. Yes, the inexperience of our quarterbacks made castor oil out of the lemons they were handed, but it was the pressure they were under that was the proximate cause of all the struggles. I went ahead and took notes on each of our offensive drives of the first half, and in each and every case the failures of the offensive line were the main cause of the problems.

First Texas Drive:  Texas picked up a pair of first downs with a couple decent runs by Malcolm Brown, a pass interference penalty, and a fantastic outside scamper by Fozzy for 18 yards to the UT 44 yard line. On 1st and 10, Harsin calls for a David Ash draw play, and if Tray Allen actually blocks Frank Alexander it's a good call that's set up nicely for a gain. Tray Allen inexplicably lets Alexander rush by him untouched and Ash is dropped for a 4-yard loss. Case McCoy comes in for 2nd and 14, Corey Nelson gets a nice speed rush up the left side, and though Hopkins handles him reasonably well, McCoy starts scampering forward where, unfortunately, he's immediately crushed by Casey Walker, who is pushing Espinosa straight backwards like a tackling dummy. Sack, fumble, turnover. It's debatable whether McCoy bailed too quickly on his position -- Nelson was applying pressure, even though Hopkins appeared to be starting to push him upfield -- but even if he'd stayed put, Espinosa got so thoroughly dominated that McCoy was doomed either way.

Second Texas Drive:  With a mixture of some solid quick completions and solid rushing, Texas moved the ball down to the OU 27, but the drive was derailed on 2nd and 4 when Tray Allen again blocked absolutely nobody, leading to Fozzy immediately getting hit in the backfield for a 2-yard loss. McCoy's 3rd and 6 pass under pressure was tipped by Nelson at the line of scrimmage and we had to settle for a field goal.

Third Texas Drive:  On 1st and 10 we ran our power play and there just wasn't much of a hole, as Espinosa got bulled backwards two yards, blocking the path of the pulling Walters. On 2nd and 8, OU rushed four and dropped seven into coverage, but Ash bumped into Fozzy on his drop, wound up bailing to his right, and threw it away. On 3rd and 8 Ash had a pocket to throw in but simply made a rookie mistake, staring down Jaxon Shipley, who was blanketed by Tony Jefferson. Shipley's feet got tangled and Jefferson came up with the pick.

Fourth Texas Drive:  Texas picked up 7 on a nice quick hitter over the middle to Irby. Already trailing 20-3, Harsin decided to call for the reverse to Onyegbule, and there's no doubt in my mind that the former high school quarterback was going to throw that ball downfield. Unfortunately, OU had lined up six defenders on the line and overloaded the right side, where Colvin was blitzing from his safety position. The play was doomed from the outset, and you have to believe Case McCoy had a check-out from that play; assuming he did, he should have used it, because we ran the reverse right into the teeth of their rush, and no surprise, the biltzing safety Colvin tripped up Onyegbule for a 13-yard loss. On 3rd and 16 Case actually had time to throw but his deep pass to Davis was one of the ugliest balls I've ever seen and about 10 yards underthrown.

Fifth Texas Drive:  Texas completed a quick 3-yard pass to Shipley on 1st down, saw its 2nd down screen pass attempt blown up by nice defense by Fleming, and then Ash got sacked in about 0.2 seconds when David Snow made the wrong read on blitz pick up, letting Frank Alexander through untouched and picking up a linebacker instead. Unsurprisingly, Alexander ran right through Fozzy and sacked Ash.

Sixth Texas Drive:  After a hard-earned 5-yard pick up by Malcolm Brown on 1st down, Espinosa gets absolutely owned by Walker yet again on 2nd down and Brown is tackled in the backfield for a 3-yard loss. On 3rd and 8 Ash is once again under pressure but makes a nice athletic play to step up in the pocket, avoid the rush, and find Mike Davis for a 12-yard gain. On the ensuing 1st and 10, Ash is yet again under pressure, and buoyed by the play he'd just made tries to make a play on the scramble. Unfortunately Espinosa is right in his way, he can't step into the throw at all, and his pass is easily intercepted by OU and returned for a touchdown.

More on the quarterbacks momentarily, but let there be no mistake about it: even the most talented veteran quarterback would have had a difficult time making anything happen with the line play Texas got in the first half. Espinosa got thoroughly dominated by Casey Walker, Tray Allen and David Snow were comically useless, and the group as a whole ensured that we had zero prayer of executing enough positive plays to attack OU in any meaningful, sustained kind of way.

Horns_bullet_mediumAsh and McCoy.  Both Ash and McCoy played like young quarterbacks in their first big game, and the mistakes that both players made are a big reason the score was as lopsided as it was. That said, if anything this game demonstrated why Ash is so likely to be the quarterback when this is all said and done. The McCoy magic works fine against undisciplined defenses like UCLA, but his physical limitations are too limiting against a real defense that won't allow him to run around and buy time. Don't bother with the Colt comparison, either: the elder McCoy was much more physically stout, was a better rusher, and has a substantially stronger arm. It looks to me like Case McCoy's limitations are of the kind that lower his ceiling to a level that just won't be good enough against a truly top-flight defense.

Ash, by contrast, made mistakes that were reflections of his youth and inexperience, but did not suggest he is incapable of playing against an elite defense. Will he develop into a great quarterback who is successful against top-flight defenses? Maybe not, but he has the tools to do it. At least from my perspective, while both quarterbacks will probably have roles to play in helping this team have as successful a season as possible, the most important development will be the experience Ash gains from this year. I suspect it will be a troubling sign for this offense if Ash isn't the lone starter by this year next time.

Horns_bullet_mediumHarsin's limitations.  I've heard some grousing here and there about Harsin, as though he simply dialed up the wrong plays. I wanted to pull my hair out listening to the announcers on TV, as well as the bozos on the 1300 AM post-game show, insist that Harsin's "trickeration" simply "wouldn't work against a real defense like OU's." 

With all the quality information out there these days, people would know better, but the same lazy misperceptions abound. Look, Harsin's "trick" plays aren't gimmicks. They are not substitutes for real offense. They are not attempts to run playground-style offense. Harsin's imaginative plays are complements to his very real, very traditional offense. They are attempts to establish tendencies and then make use of the defense's reactions to those tendencies. It's sensible as hell, and there's nothing gimmicky about it.

You know when they look bad? When your offense can't do the stuff that those trick plays are meant to complement. How outrageously stupid is it to conclude that Harsin's play calling can't work against an OU defense? They've worked before, and they'll work again -- the next time his offense is more successful in doing the other stuff on which it's built. They'll also fail again -- the next time his offense can't succeed in other areas to force the defense to stop it. Bryan Harsin was completely handcuffed today by our inability to block the Sooners consistently. That's his problem to fix, too, but no one should be confusing a real problem for an imagined one.

It's that simple, and if you're still struggling to understand how it all works together, I don't know what to tell you.

Horns_bullet_mediumHarsin's limitations, Part 2.  To follow up on that point, Harsin was limited by our complete and total inability to pass the ball with any effectiveness whatsoever. We actually rushed the ball reasonably well, with Brown, Monroe, and Whittaker combining for 127 yards on 26 carries. The problem was that every single attempt to pass the ball was an unmitigated disaster. Five turnovers, eight sacks, countless breakdowns in protection... it was a nightmare from the get-go, and we were playing from behind.  When that happens, there's not much you can do. Just keep that in mind as you evaluate what went wrong, where we stand, and what needs to improve.

Horns_bullet_mediumMore later.  That's enough for now... More thoughts on the defense and what's ahead next.

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Thanks for making me feel sane

I saw the same things. The inside blitzes mutilated our O-line and the QBs never checked out of the play the outside blitzes would have stopped. The line was putrid all around. I felt Cochran held up well late. I expect to see a Tray Allen phase out and Cochran get a chance to grow. Hopefully Kelley will show something at RT and we can bring Hopkins back to LG.

You hit the QB situation square on the head. Tape showed Case physically and mentally unable to handle the inside blitz. That was a huge part of OU’s gameplan. I told my friend that before the game, and it came sure enough. I think Ash’s mistake were heavily a result of his youth, and I’d like to give him the chance to grow.

I’ll have my own response to this game later, but this is likely what my response will look like. We’re not there yet, and we still have a long way to go. You don’t fix years of poor coaching and lazy evaluations in 4 games.

Hook 'em! @michaelpelech10 on Twitter

by The Audit Horn on Oct 8, 2011 7:46 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Tray Allen Offensive Line

I guess I must have been watching a different game then you. I saw Tray Allen sealing the outside and letting Fozzy Whitaker broke some big runs. I saw a screen set up where he lined up as WR and made the block to free Whitaker down the sideline. He had great pass protection on Alexander…I saw David Snow not pick up Alexander on that blitz…I saw David Espionosa get raped on several plays. Cochran did average at best against a second team OU defense after Alexander took him to the wood shed on several plays. Mason Walters is by far our best OL but hands down Tray is one of the top most athletic lineman. Be careful what you wish for…

by jd86 on Oct 10, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not trying to argue

with you, but “The Audit Horn” watched the same game as I did. I’ll just add that the whole OL had a failing grade. The other team, planned on stacking the front to stop the run. The game was really about youth vs. experience.
By the way, its 11;19am on Monday and ou still sux

"Nobody leaves this field until we beat the hell out of them".................... L.J."Louis"Jordan in 1913 before kickoff of the Texas/ou game.

by ouALWAYSsux on Oct 10, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree....lets let cooler heads prevail....

I also rewatched the first half and came basically to the same conclusions. The first quarter was surprisinlgy not to bad, especially after being so disgusted and upset by the last 3 quarters. The 2 QB turnovers broke the dam, and we never recovered.
OU is assuredly a national contender, however, the probability of them going undefeated with Okla State, K state, Baylor, A&M and Tech left to play…is no gimmie.
Both McCoy and Ash are having to learn on the job, and will get better every week. It’s really a shame McCoy sat on the bench all last year, when he could have been playing and gaining the experience we so desparetly need now…but thats history.
Surely Okla State will use this film to gameplan, but their D is not OUs….I’m not sure Harsin and Searles can get the line play improved enough to win next week, but I think next weeks game is going to be much more competitive..

As a sidebar….they have a donnybrook going on in Lubbock right now and Ohio State is puttin’ it on the corn. Wow!

I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize

by MeatchickenHorn on Oct 8, 2011 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Very fair assessment

My one question in regard to the QB situation is practice snaps. If Ash is eventually The Guy, how soon do you need to stop rotating so he can take the lion’s share of practice snaps? With both guys being young, does this hinder their development at all? Does it contribute to their trouble with audibling at appropriate times?

by racecarr on Oct 8, 2011 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

According to Jesus Shuttlesworth’s sources over at Barking Carnival and Recruitocosm, Ash has been taking the majority of the snaps since the bye week. I think he’s the guy in the future, and that move seems to support that theory.

As for audibling (is that a word?) out of bad plays: supposedly Case had been doing that in practices, so you’d assume he’d be capable during games. I think it’s a function of youth not being comfortable and patient enough to assess the situation. That, or they’re not given free reign to do that yet.

Hook 'em! @michaelpelech10 on Twitter

by The Audit Horn on Oct 8, 2011 8:09 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yeah I don't know what the situation is regarding changing plays at the line.

When I was a kid playing Madden, I could see a blitz coming from one side and know, “hey maybe I shouldn’t go that way”. Gotta think the QBs saw those blitzes coming. OU wasn’t trying to be sneaky about them.

My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!

by burrito on Oct 8, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with your comments on Harsin's approach in general.

But he called a bad game. It seemed like every time we tried some sort of misdirection it failed miserably and we lost 5-10 yards. So, while there’s nothing wrong with Harsin’s approach, it wasn’t working today. I would have like to have seen a move to short, quick passes and straight ahead runs. For someone known as a student of the game, his play calling didn’t help an obviously struggling offense.

On a different note, I actually didn’t think the defense was that bad. Take away the 3 touchdowns the offense gave up and the two early field goals off of turnovers and the defense gave up 28 points. Were they perfect? No. There were some wide open receivers and they didn’t tackle as well as they have. But given our youth and Ou’s talent, it wasn’t nearly as bad as the score suggests.

by Texasrocks on Oct 8, 2011 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed

OU passes on everyone and i thought the D had an ok game. They actually stopped the run pretty well all day excluding the one busted play that Whaley got. But by then the D was completely gassed from being on the field all day long.

It’s just so disappointing because we all thought our D-line was the strength of our team and they failed miserably to get to Landry all day. the only time way would create pressure was to blitz our LB’s and when that happened, Landry just made quick dump-offs to the RB or hit a quick slant to a TE/WR.

by jtdoes on Oct 8, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

D line is the strength of our team but OU countered with quick passes.

I dont think anyone would have been confident enough in our DBs to play OU’s WR tight and jammed them in the line of scrimmage.

Texas Fight!

by hookemkp on Oct 8, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if I agree that the D line is our strength.

I commented during the game I rarely saw them winning their 1-on-1 battles like the OU D Line was whipping our guys.

My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!

by burrito on Oct 8, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our dl is not very good on passing downs

Maybe now we can all stop towing the company line of excuses regarding the lack of pass rush.

We REALLY need a top flight pass rusher in the 2012 recruiting class.

by Horncasting on Oct 8, 2011 9:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed.

My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!

by burrito on Oct 8, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent review

I didn’t always agree with what Harsin did, but with the players not executing out there, he couldn’t rescue this game. I thought we ran too many slow-developing plays and went away from the run game a little too early, but neither of that would have substantially changed the outcome.

by TheElusiveShadow on Oct 8, 2011 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I had this weird dream last night.

I dreamed we had started a new season, with new players and new schemes, and we were improving and playing some great football, then I woke up and it was still 2010.

See ya later, alligator.

by Paleface Horn on Oct 8, 2011 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the dream was that you conflated

“improving” with “destined to beat the #1 team in the county and go undefeated.”

undefeated in Sun Belt play

by LongCat on Oct 8, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

It sure felt like 2010.

No O line. 5 turnovers. Defense on the field too long. No QB composure. Maybe not the QB’s fault.

See ya later, alligator.

by Paleface Horn on Oct 8, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Searles is still dealing with all the leftovers from McWhorter. Give him some time to recruit and turn the o-line around. If in two years we are still seeing this, then I’m ready to start seriously complaining. For now, I’m giving him the time.

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Oct 8, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Estelle, Hughes, and hopefully Peat couldn’t get here sooner. Is Westerman getting time at Aubrn right now?

Hook 'em! @michaelpelech10 on Twitter

by The Audit Horn on Oct 8, 2011 8:41 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I don’t know if Westerman is playing. I refuse to watch Auburn.

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Oct 8, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s fun from a “how far have they fallen” perspective.

Hook 'em! @michaelpelech10 on Twitter

by The Audit Horn on Oct 8, 2011 9:32 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

It's different

because in 2010 we were doing this against Iowa State and UCLA. This year we’ve progressed beyond that to beating those two teams handily and doing this against a national title contender.

Whoever said laughter is the best medicine had clearly never tasted Scotch.

by LonghornEm on Oct 9, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with what you and Dime are saying.

Things are not exactly the same as last year. The problems will take time to fix. I’m not calling for heads to roll and am willing to give Searles et al. more time. I was simply pointing out that our problems this year offensively are not surprisingly similar to those last year.

As an aside, if Mack hadn’t fallen asleep at the wheel a few years ago, we probably wouldn’t be in this position. He woke up (I think), but it takes a little while to shake out all those cobwebs.

See ya later, alligator.

by Paleface Horn on Oct 9, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Loyalty to friends is a good character trait, but when you are in a cut-throat business, it doesn’t pay.

Maybe the moral is don’t hire friends (or become so cozy with everyone) then it is easier to hold them accountable. A lot of CEOs/Head coaches are known for being cold opportunists (see Saban) but that is what it takes.

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Oct 9, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is a proper balance possible?

That might be an interesting post.

See ya later, alligator.

by Paleface Horn on Oct 9, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt it if you want to win continuously. Sad, but true.

In most companies, you can hide the non-producers or just reassign them. You can’t hide from the public glare when you are a college coach. It catches up with you. See GD.

SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.

by dimecoverage on Oct 9, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather not.

See GD, that is. ;)

See ya later, alligator.

by Paleface Horn on Oct 9, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

pb is money

I rewatched it as well… too many miscues up front to develop consistency

Joe "Effing" Parker

by longhorn35 on Oct 8, 2011 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Definitely agree with your assessment of Oline today

their mental relapse was inexcusable. There is some youth in that group but I have been very disappointed with snow and allen who were supposed to be and anchors of the Oline. I felt like they gave up too easily today.

Having said that, I do believe that Harsinwhite gave up on running the ball way too early. I do realize that anything longer than 3rd and 4 were insurmountable tasks for our young QBs, but I thought Harsinwhite would come up with creative ways of running the football and keep the ball away from OU offense.
 But then again, given our oline’s inability to execute a simple assignment football, I really can’t blame him either.

Texas Fight!

by hookemkp on Oct 8, 2011 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Disagree somewhat about Harsin

Given the majority of the blame falls on our OL play. Obviously, we have not recruited or coached the guys well enough because there was a stark difference between line play today on both sides of the ball.

that being said, i thought Harsin gave up on our ground game way too early. OU was good with not letting our jet-sweeps get outside but i think we were running ok north & south and that was our only chance to slow the game down, shorten the game and limit our QB’s from making too many mistakes.

Even though we were down 20-3, if we stubbornly keep running, the safety’s and LB’s would eventually start creeping up and allow us to take some shots down the field. We probably would have still lost the game because of talent but it would have prevented the game from getting out of hand like it did.

Sometimes you learn alot more in losses and hopefully the guys will rally around this type of loss and use it as a springboard for the rest of the year. ANYWAY, i still love me some Harsin/White and hopefully we can pull it together and get a big upset win against OSU next week.

by jtdoes on Oct 8, 2011 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Thing that I did not like about the running plays...

I don’t remember us pitching to MB or other RBs. You know way OU used to do to us with AP. I did not like the long stretch out slow developing hand offs to our running backs. Of course, with amount of penetration that we were giving away, we could have easily pitched right to Alexander etc.

by NJLONGHORN on Oct 8, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Biggest Gripe With Hairsin

Was going away from Fozzy early.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on Oct 8, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s really my only one. But Malcolm also played well just fozzy seemed to be really effective.
Did anybody else notice the insane amount of corner blitzes OU was bringing? Every time I looked up I swear a corner was coming fast to stop the cutback

Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?

by Rocket94 on Oct 8, 2011 8:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

thought

The plus one blitz should cause our QB to change the play. Hopefully we will coach them to look at the edges in the future.

Joe "Effing" Parker

by longhorn35 on Oct 8, 2011 9:35 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I kept hoping he would

Case just seemed to be not looking at it. They did nothing to disguise the blitz either it was just blowing my mind.

Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?

by Rocket94 on Oct 8, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

You Deserve Major Props

Just for rewatching the game.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on Oct 8, 2011 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I deleted it soon as the game ended. There wasn’t anything I felt I could have gotten from a rewatch.

Hook 'em! @michaelpelech10 on Twitter

by The Audit Horn on Oct 8, 2011 8:25 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

agreed

It took a lot of fortitude to watch that shellacking. I turned it off before the 1st half ended.

by d4winds on Oct 9, 2011 5:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

going to drink a cup full of sunshine and say we still have a chance for 3 way tie

I just hope our team can take away some important lessons from this game.

Texas Fight!

by hookemkp on Oct 8, 2011 8:24 PM CDT reply actions  

We're looking at 7-5.

We lose to Baylor, umat, OkieState, and KSt (again).

See ya later, alligator.

by Paleface Horn on Oct 9, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

O-Line & QB

This is no different than NFL. If you make a mistake at these positions whether it is through a draft or recruiting, it is going to kill you for several years. During Colt’s last two seasons, we had experience at QB & WR to mask the deficiencies of our OL . Last year & this year shows you how combination of OL and QB experience absolutely destroys an offense. Unfortunately, I feel we are about two years away from competing at an elite level. That is when I feel all the old baggage from the last two years along with more experience at QB will materialize along with more mature defense. Our OL as it stands will waste the talents of any skill players. I just hope Ash does not get his confidence destroyed in the process. We have no OT and have OGs playing these positions. It really showed up completely today. On the positive side, what did we expect? Change in philosophy (OL & rest of the offense) takes more than one summer. We are young and will get better. It really shows that our old OL coaching staff got lazy when evaluating talent.

by NJLONGHORN on Oct 8, 2011 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Good points; but optimistic about OL's future in 2 years

Texas has not had a decent OL since Colt McCoy’s 1st season (2006).

by d4winds on Oct 9, 2011 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hell Yes PB

Well said and if this site had up votes, you’d have all of mine for the night. Very well stated thoughts on your re watch of the castor oil administered.

Don't talk too much...Under promise, over deliver!
--Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers Head Coach

by D.C. Horn on Oct 8, 2011 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Huge Crushing Disappointment for Me

Prolly was unrealistic – but the trip back to earth was brutal. The fact of the matter is that OUs sophs were fantastic playmakers. They are not going away. They have taken lower rated recruits and just develop them into better players. Of course ratings may not mean much, but watching GG vs. Landry hurts for several years. Additionally, really worried about the Baylor, KSU, Aggie, and Okie Lite games. The good news, I really trust the coaches to keep them working and improving – hopefully competing with Aggie and Baylor at the end of the year.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on Oct 8, 2011 8:33 PM CDT reply actions  

We are so young, we are either 9-3 or 7-5 team. That is the reality.

Every game is going to be interesting. I could live with 7-5 as long as I can see our QBs grow.

by NJLONGHORN on Oct 8, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am always optimistic and expecting the Horns to win...but

coming into this game I couldn’t shake the poor play of the 2nd half of the ISU game last week. To the point of this article, I think it was poor execution and lack of consistency from the o-line in that game that also kept us from establishing ourselves in the early 2nd quarter against ISU. The failure of the o-line was at the root of the problems we suffered last year (more than GG or poor play calling) and is still our soft under belly this year. The good news is against teams that have a less dominant d-line we can hopefully improve and score some points.

by DavidB64 on Oct 8, 2011 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Anytime a score is this outrageous the fan base is going to freak and its going to take a few days to.really settle and get the blood out of their eyes. Even quan cosby was saying during the game that Vince and Colt would have huge problems with this O line..

Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?

by Rocket94 on Oct 8, 2011 8:51 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

1 complaint

Most of what he tried was doomed through bad blocking and maybe more importantly missed assignments. I have never seen a team so bad on 2nd down. There were a couple of drives with 2

by codaxx on Oct 8, 2011 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn it cut me off

Couple of drives that were 2nd and 5 or so that I thought it was time to pound. Instead we went to “special plays” that were blown-up. I was hoping to see 2 straight powers called. It was disappointing for 2 reasons. 1 the offense needed some confidence. 2 the defense really needed some air. Might not have worked, but would have been nice to see it tried.

by codaxx on Oct 8, 2011 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Left alone with my own thoughts this afternoon...

I started to wonder if maybe Texas football is on it’s decline to mediocrity for the foreseeable future. I compared it to the 5 stages of grief.

2010 was denial. This can’t be happening to us. We’re Texas. We don’t go 5-7.
2011 is anger. This is bullshit. We were supposed to be better. Things changed for the better. Why aren’t things getting better.

And so it will go for a couple more seasons until after a few 7/8 win seasons, we come to acceptance and realize that a national championship is past the horizon.

I almost cried a little at the thought of having to cope with that future. Then I fired up some good ’ol Internet porn so my mind would stop wandering.

My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!

by burrito on Oct 8, 2011 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

that's what okie is doing to

Live Goat porn at all Norman bars.

Joe "Effing" Parker

by longhorn35 on Oct 8, 2011 9:50 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Heathens!

Leviticus 18:23 ESV

And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion.

My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!

by burrito on Oct 8, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

aggy

They are exempt from this because man on sheep is tradition.

Joe "Effing" Parker

by longhorn35 on Oct 8, 2011 10:02 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Help me out

kinda early in game OU had a 3rd and 25, then hit Reynolds for 30. Wasn’t Quandre on the coverage??

by jmatt62 on Oct 8, 2011 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

apparently

No one was in coverage.

Joe "Effing" Parker

by longhorn35 on Oct 8, 2011 10:23 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Looked like it but he was a step slow

Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?

by Rocket94 on Oct 8, 2011 10:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Harsin made a few missteps today...no doubt

The worst play call I can remember is when we had just run under 2 center two straight plays for good chunks and we were facing 2nd and 2 (or 4 yds…can’t remember exactly). Instead of keeping us under center and plowing straight head, Harsin put in shotgun with Case at QB and Fozzy to his right. We ran zone read and Fozzy got smashed in the back field right after the hand off.

That call made absolutely no sense to me and it was also the first time I cursed Harsin all season (that’s pretty good for an O-coordinator btw).

Also, I don’t think we can defend all of his play calls on the slow developing stuff today. If OU had been beating us with undisciplined defense, then yeah we can run the slow developing reverses and misdirection plays. But OU was whooping us straight up. There was no reason to believe those plays would be successful based on the game flow.

by feltgod on Oct 8, 2011 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Not a play call failure

I know the play you’re thinking of, and the problem was that Tray Allen blocked absolutely nobody. Frank Alexander just went straight in, untouched, and hit Fozzy for a loss. Again, there’s only so much the play you call matters when the blocking failures are so widespread. Call A, and get burned on bad block X. Call B, and get burned on bad block Y.

75-37-5. Now GTFO.

by Peter Bean on Oct 8, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not so much Harsin's bad...

as much as the O-Line really regressing today. They took a major step backwards.

by jmatt62 on Oct 8, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Shades of last year's BIG 12 championship game.

Generally oline failure drags the entire offense down with it.

My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!

by burrito on Oct 9, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everybody keeps dogging Case...

I don’t understand how everybody keeps saying Case did so horrible, but makes excuses for Ash’s 2picks(1 for a td) due to his age.
Case had the ball moving on several spurts during the game, other than a few bad reads and an under thrown deep ball he did what he was given time to do, those fumbles were due lack of effective O-line play where most qb’s fumble the same way. Everybody talks about the lack of arm strength Case has, but any tru horn fan should remember Colt never had a huge arm either and he’s the ncaa wins leader, jamarkus russell had a huge arm but the brains & work ethic of a june bug…Case needs time to get in a rhythm to show what he can do, Ash is not the answer this year!

It's hard being a Longhorn fan in the state of Oklahoma!!

by okhornfan on Oct 8, 2011 10:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Both QBs played poorly today but Ash played much better than Case at the end of the game

and thus he gets the defacto “win” in the QB competition. He should start against OkSt if coaches are basing the starting snaps objectively on performace.

by feltgod on Oct 8, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Case vs. Ash

As in the spring game, Case was throwing off his back foot. Even when he steps into throws, he doesn’t have the arm strength. But when he’s fading away, he really doesn’t have it. Ash stands tall when he throws. One of his INTs was bad, but the other one was a blatant pass intereference that wasn’t called; Shipley was clearly knocked off his line and fell down.

by UPB13 on Oct 9, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

PB thanks for taking the time to write up a nice analysis.

Some company in coming back down to earth. Clearly Ash is the and there will be a lot to learn from film. I hope there are some adjustments to the o-line for next week and expectations will be low for OSU.

by mtntrance on Oct 8, 2011 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

It hurts

I saw a team with no swagger. No confidence. I have high expectations for this team every year. We have more resources than any other team in the nation. But I’m putting it all in perspective… Were not much better than last year. Our ceiling is 8-4 and realistically were looking at a 6-6 or 7-5 season… That’s not good for Texas were so much better than that

by drobe86 on Oct 8, 2011 11:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Thank you Peter Bean for being a voice of reason...

… It drives my wife crazy, but I often rewind the DVR on busted plays to figure out what went wrong and today 90% of the problems on offense that I looked at originated with somebody on the line. Its comforting that somebody with a higher football IQ than me concurs.

Harsin is still my guy. I’m not as sold on Ash, although of our two QBs he certainly offers the most upside. (That bump into Fozzy in the 3rd drive looked like he forgot to play-action fake and went right into the drop.) Both QBs had a terrible game, so no separation yet in my book.

by dumeril7 on Oct 9, 2011 12:43 AM CDT reply actions  

How many times?

OK, Pedro, so how many times did we rush on 1st down for 6+ yards then not make the first down because we got away from Malcolm-in-the-middle?

by MesquiteHorn on Oct 9, 2011 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

WAY too many times.

I would say you make an astute observation, but it’s too obvious to be astute. However, the other plays might have worked for a lot of yards if the Oline hadn’t been so busy eating donuts and ham sammiches and were fucking-Joe-Parker blocking somebody instead.

See ya later, alligator.

by Paleface Horn on Oct 9, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can we be astutely obvious?

How many times did I see one of our OL lying on the ground in OUR backfield on running plays…that seems like a really bad indicator.

Since 2007 our OL has had a serious lack of bad-ass attitude. On this website I have frequently described them as pussies…and why do they look fat?

by MesquiteHorn on Oct 9, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

donuts and ham sammiches

jk. Real reason: Mack Van Winkle fell asleep on recruiting and development around 2006 and he didn’t wake up until last year.

See ya later, alligator.

by Paleface Horn on Oct 9, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I personally prefer to stick with the obvious.

When one states the obvious, one cannot be wrong.

See ya later, alligator.

by Paleface Horn on Oct 9, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just once

We had 2nd and 4 or shorter on five occasions, and only once did we fail to pick up a first down after that — the 2nd and 3 where we ran the reverse to Onyegbule. Every other 2nd and short was converted to a first down.

75-37-5. Now GTFO.

by Peter Bean on Oct 9, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pedro, I trust your bean counting...

…I must have been traumatized by that series, which was after other episodes of trauma and before even more to follow.

by MesquiteHorn on Oct 9, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read today that Texas lost 117 yards on offense. Netting 36 total on the ground as a result.

I’m sorry, but no offensive line is that bad. Those numbers reflect a problem, a nightmarish problem, with play-calling.

Let’s face it, Harsin called a terrible game. I’m confident in his abilities to correct this, however. I still think he’s our guy and should be our guy, but this was a stinker. I hope it’s the last one.

by WreckerTex on Oct 9, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

And I think Harsin and company will realize they spent too much time nurturing 2-3 QBs and not...

…enough time developing play packages to counter situations where the defense is terrorizing your backfield.

It seems obvious now that he didn’t adjust because he simply hasn’t had time to implementment plays for that scenario. He counted on his line to do their job and they failed miserably and yet he had no other game plan to turn to.

Harsin isn’t stupid and he isn’t lazy so I’m sure this will be corrected as soon as it’s reasonably possible. But if this is true, it does bolster the argument of those that say we need to pick one QB and sooner (sorry) rather than later.

by WreckerTex on Oct 9, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No offense

But there is no package to counter a defense “terrorizing your backfield”. Unless you have Vick or Vince back there you are toast. You can go 3 step passes to help, but eventually the defense walks their secondary up to end that. Plus i have seen little out of our WRs to suggest they can do something with a lateral pass. If your o-line can’t block you are done. The one thing that can be fixed is blitz recognition. This wasn’t the Steelers. OU was pretty blatant showing blitz. QBs need to recognize and audible out of horrendous play call vs the defense and into at least a mediocre one. The question becomes were the QBs trusted with audibles or did they simply not recognize. I am hoping it was the former, because that can easily be overcome

by codaxx on Oct 9, 2011 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I wasn't suggesting Harsin could have won the game when the O-line has an HOV lane, but

there are things that can be done to NOT go backwards 117 yards on offense, give up three defensive TDs, and give up 8 sacks. Those things weren’t done. I’m saying those things weren’t done because they hadn’t practiced them and not because Harsin is that clueless.

by WreckerTex on Oct 9, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understood

But I am wondering what you can do. You can run, but they were down early so that doesn’t help. Turnovers were a result of a couple things. 1 ineffective blitz pick- up and ineffective blocking. The first being a bigger issue, because bad blocking usually implies a speed bump. 2 lack of recognition. QB needs to see the over-load and realize he has a short window to throw. I saw a couple of these were blitz was picked up and holding the call caused problems. 3 just youth at QB. This is related to 2. Also you saw the QBs try to do to much. Try to Scramble out of a disaster and fumble (McCoy) and try to throw off backfoot instead of taking the sack (Ash).

by codaxx on Oct 9, 2011 4:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

To add

I meant blitz picked up momentarily, because none were stonewalled

by codaxx on Oct 9, 2011 4:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

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