An Uncomfortable Truth: Kansas State Owns Texas
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 18, 2011 10:58 AM CST
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For Texas fans, three things are inevitable in life -- death, taxes, and losing to Kansas State. Four if you want to count Aggies being annoying, but that's beside the point here.
The point here is that Kansas State owns Texas. Absolutely and unequivocally. Kansas State fans know it. Texas fans know it.
The numbers tell the story -- the Wildcats are the only team in the Big 12 to hold an all-time edge in victories of the Longhorns and one of only three teams overall.
During his tenure at Texas, Mack Brown is 2-5 against Kansas State, including two losses to Ron Prince. Think about that -- if Ron Prince could have played Texas every game, he not only would still have a job, but he would be the best coach ever. And undefeated. Ron Prince. Take a moment to let that sink in. But not so far that it makes your head explode, because I don't want to be responsible for that.
The Longhorns haven't won against the Wildcats since 2003, even though it feels longer. Much longer. At three games, the losing streak isn't even particularly long, but it feels longer.
Such is the nature of devastating losses, which include the 2006 game when Colt McCoy was injured early on a quarterback sneak, derailing Texas hopes of a BCS bid and the 2007 game that included Jordy Nelson running wild and punt, kickoff, and interception returns for touchdowns, at the time, the worst home loss of the Mack Brown era.
Last season? Well, the memory is no doubt fresh in the minds of most Longhorn fans, but suffice it to say that it was the worst loss of a terrible season and the game in Manhattan included Garrett Gilbert throwing interceptions on three consecutive passes. So there was that.
Despite the ridiculous odds in favor of the Longhorns on Saturday, the odds don't look particularly strong for the Longhorns to reverse the trend this season, especially if Malcolm Brown, Joe Bergeron, and Jaxon Shipley either can't play or are limited by recent injuries. That list doesn't even include Keenan Robinson, who left last week's game with a thumb injury, and DJ Grant, who missed some time against Missouri with an apparent knee injury.
What was the most traumatic moment in the last three losses for you and can Texas end the reign of terror on Saturday?
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Less we forget
The 1999 Apple Turnover debacle. Major had guts and glory, but when blitzed up the middle he was vulnerable.
by Eskimohorn on Nov 18, 2011 11:16 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
"Apple Turnover" - what a phrase
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by Sean T on Nov 18, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I only could bear to watch the first quarter of last year's game
And that one was the worst. The 2007 game was bad, where nothing was going right, but last year the wheels came off and everyone gave up.
I always wonder, like in this year’s Tech game, if/when coaches and players just totally throw in the towel and just hope that the bleeding stops.
Then I remember that last year’s game was that exactly. It was like the coaching staff just said at halftime, “I don’t know, you guys figure it out – we’ll be waiting on the bus.” That was the moment that the entire team was abandoned.
No fucking way the coaches waited until halftime to give that speech.
The game was over the instant they returned the opening kickoff. I very nearly turned the game off right then, but I had nothing else to do that night and a fridge full of beer.
The next day, I still had nothing else to do, but the beer was gone.
To err is human...but humans have such low standards.
Most Traumatic? Easily Colt's neck injury
But I always just chalked that injury and that game up to “shit happens” in football, especially on the road.
2007 was the most disappointing for me…basically we got beat because of complacency and lack of focus. Lots of turnovers and three, count them, three kicks/punts returned for TD’s. One in a game or even in a season is too many, but three. Jordy Nelson was a good player, but that was ridiculous.
That whole season was probably the worst actual coaching job in my estimation of Mack’s time at Texas because that team actually had it about them to be really good as evidenced in the Holiday Bowl against ASU and in big comeback wins against OSU and Nebraska that year, but they just had the hardest time getting their head right with ball and staying focused.
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by 54b on Nov 18, 2011 11:26 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Mack was there for the 2nd half
I know because every time a K St player was down Mack wondered out on the field to check and the announcers would say what a great guy MB is. In the meantime we were getting hammered
I Still remember Mack bragging about all the yards GG got in that game
Cause GG was chucking it all over the place in the 3rd and 4th quarter when Kstate had already started playing prevent D. That is, when they weren’t intercepting the kid.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
So, do we know if either Brown or Bergeron is playing?
Any inside dish on this, guys?
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The Asset
seems to think they have a chance to play.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 18, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Are we still believing "the asset" after Mizzou?
Serious question. Didn’t he get that one majorly wrong by saying both Brown and Bergeron would play then, too?
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Coaches thought they would play.
Mack Brown said he thought he could get 10-15 plays from each of them and they were ruled out in pre-game warmups. So, no, I don’t think that impacts credibility at all.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 18, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Okay
Good to know they’re practicing, though. Bodes well. I also like that they’re getting Ash to do more intermediate/short passes. Combine that with some option running/misdirections and we can get something going on offense other than chucking it 50 yards down the field then running for 2-3 yards.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
If they were that close to playing last week
Hopefully they are good to go this week.
What’s up with Shipley? Any chance he will play?
We're Texas, We're not OK.
Don't think so
The Asset doesn’t even mention Shipley in practice. Speaks volumes, doesn’t it?
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by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
So, which game is more important to ya?
KSU or Aggie?
Because you play KSU at night. You play Aggie on Thanksgiving day (just five days later). That’s only FIVE DAYS TO HEAL.
Now, I think is an unfair Hobson’s choice visited upon Longhorn by the scheduling Gods.
I say let B & B stay healthy for aTm. You have the rest of the Big 12s exisistence (?) to even up the score against Wildcat.
Seriously, good luck and I hope it is a good game. I am getting used to barn burners from this years KSU squad and I’d be surprised if tomorrow night is anything other than a close game decided in the last minutes.
oh hail the Purple and White
Haven't you been reading BON's KState coverage?
We’ll be happy to win this game, but we’re not going in expecting to win (at least I’m not). We would love to beat Aggy just to piss on them on their way out. Either way, it’s not like our whole season is tied to these two games. I’d be happy winning either/or, but improving as a team for next year is more important. We’ve got our running game going, we now need our QB to step up…
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by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Aggies
I don’t care about KSU….but I’ll be damned if I let the Aggies leave the Big XII with a win.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
if they arent 100% i say rest them so they are fresh for A&M
Is Wrangler says I don’t care about KSU but ill be damned if I could stand letting A&M leave with a win
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by horns1025 on Nov 18, 2011 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
as Wrangler says*
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by horns1025 on Nov 18, 2011 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey Furnace
Are the Wildcats all healthy or do you have some areas of concern also?
Thanks
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I think we are just banged up
but Snyder is tighter on this stuff than Mack is. I know that Klein has a bad shoulder … can see it in his throwing motion from first of the year till now.
Beats me why the line is where it is. I think one of our starting D lineman is questionalble. He was not in at the end of the aTm game. This may be the explanation for the 9.5 points, but still …
oh hail the Purple and White
Why?
GoBR the records don’t lie. My question is why has KSU enjoyed such one sided success, when no other Big 12 school has? I know that over the years KSU has had some very talented players, but not on the par of Texas year in year out on recruits, not even close. Is it the schemes they run, or our lack of development of our 4 and 5 star recruits. I mean, just as you said ,even with Prince we couldn’t gain the upper hand. What kind of mojo is going on here?
Some of it is luck.
Kansas State didn’t play Texas in 2004 or 2005 when the Longhorns were up, then hit them when they were down in 2006 and 2007, then missed them when they were up in 2008 and 2009. Sensing a pattern?
Last year, a lot of it was about getting out-coached and out-hit, as Mack Brown pointed out earlier in the weak. Snyder’s teams are always tough and well-prepared, so I think that has made a historical difference as well.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 18, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Frankly....
We have a lot of kids from Texas on our team. Kids that weren’t good enough to play for Texas. They play with a chip on their shoulder. For whatever reason (including the the BBall team) the Cardiac Cats play better with a chip on their shoulder and picked as the underdog.
When life hands you lemons, make grape juice. Let them wonder how the F*ck you did it.
Fight till Hell freezes over and then fight them on the ice.
That and the fact that you guys never really have anything to play for
And playing and beating the Big Bad Texas is pretty much your Superbowl every year. That’s a lot of encouragement to play 100%. For us, it’s always been just another game in the way of something bigger and better. I’d gladly trade a shot at the national title every 3-4 years instead of beating some team every other year.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Jesus Christ we are some arrogant mofos.
Is it any wonder everybody hates us?
To err is human...but humans have such low standards.
by adt2 on Nov 18, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And which part of that isn't true?
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by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'd say the first half of it
Now of you substituted LSU with AtM then you might be closer to the truth.
I’ve always found KSU fans to be pretty reasonable myself…
by BurntOrangeForever on Nov 18, 2011 1:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Not saying anything at all about KSU fans
And I have no idea where LSU or ATM fits into all of this.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Thats my bad, stupid phone and its auto correct
It should have read “replace KSU with AtM”
Just curious, but what do you base your theories about KSU comments on?
by BurntOrangeForever on Nov 18, 2011 2:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The part about us never having anything to play for
Mack’s two wins against KSU came in 2002 and 2003. In 2003, we won the north and upset the great Sooner in the championship game. In 2002, we finished 11-2. When we played UT, Longhorn was ranked #8 and KSU #20. Despite our fine record, we were relegated to the Holiday Bowl. UT, on the strenght of its win over KSU, got the Cotton Bowl.
In 1998, we held Rickey Williams to 43 yards on 25 carries (yes, the year he won the Heisman). That’s the year aTm upset us, depriving us a shot at MNC. The next year, we beat you in Austin, and we ended up ranked.
During the first seven years of B/12 play, KSU was right in the mix of the top 4 teams of the conference. We’ve had plenty on the line when we’ve played you. Last year got us to bowl eligibility, with our win.
oh hail the Purple and White
So you had a great couple of years in 2002 and 2003. Congrats?
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by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Sometimes, I think
Some of us need to be reminded of the past..
I have nothing bur respect for KSU except when I hate you for beating us so readily and easily.;)
While I hope we win, but I do think this needs saying… there was a Missouri fan who came on this board last week and did nothing but show a degree of arroganance that was unfounded with misrepresentations of his team, regardless of the outcome. I have to commend you. You’ve shown the facts, and the facts show that Texas has not played well against KSU and that KSU had other fish to fry. Good luck tomorrow.
by ohiohorn on Nov 18, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
NU ran the league for the first half, and OU has run the league in the second half of its existence
Only KSU fans who live in Texas (and then I’m sure it depends where) put any kind of pride in beating UT. KSU’s rivals are the old big 8 teams, particularly KU and OU (and until they started to suck, NU). More than anything I think the “ownership” of UT is a curiosity, not something I’m really proud of.
Lemme help – “I’d gladly trade a shot at the national conference title every 3-4 years instead of beating some team every other year.” 3 conference titles in 15 years with all of UT’s advantages? I’m not impressed.
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Apparently I've touched a nerve with KSU fans
The ironic thing is, if you win tomorrow you’ll be jumping with joy like you’ve won the Superbowl, but I’ll just be happy if our QB improves, so that we’ll be set for another national title run either next year or the year after.
Have fun beating us tomorrow. Apparently it really, really, REALLY means a lot to you.
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by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
I think what upsets KSU fans is your arrogance. You are condescending and very dismissive. You act like KSU is this doormat program that has never been respectable. I think the KSU program and fanbase have earned respect(aside from ksuwild) and it would be nice if you would show them some. Your behavior reflects poorly on the fanbase.
by horninraidercountry on Nov 18, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
As a KSU fan:
Thanks, to you and all the other Longhorns who have tried to clear this up. (I just went through and rec’d all of you.)
I’m pretty sure the nerve he touched is shared by everyone who appreciates intelligent, respectful discussions. A group which demonstrably includes both Texas and KSU fans.
To be honest, most KSU fans don't place THAT much stock in beating Texas
I mean, it’s a pretty amazing record that we are proud of, but I’ve never considered you guys our main game of the year. It’s possible that all our players from Texas do, though.
Our #1 rival was always Nebraska. Now that they’re gone, KU is probably the one we most want to win – but since that seems virtually guaranteed every year, we can ignore that one.
Next up in games we look forward to is OU, mostly because of Stoops and his history at KSU, but we also have a lot more history with OU from the Big8 days.
After that, it’s probably Texas simply by default, because you’re such a big program. Personally, I took much more satisfaction beating the obnoxious Aggies last week then I ever would beating Texas, but the Texas game is probably bigger simply because of who you guys are.
As far as the record goes...
The first 2 wins by KSU we simply had a much better team than you guys did.
The next 2 were close wins by you, that you earned.
The next 2 wins by KSU were under Ron Prince, and those are the ones that just baffle the mind. We had no business being anywhere in those games, and somehow won them.
Then for last years game, i think we were the better team as well. The real story was GG throwing all those ints and giving us free points, without that it would have been a close game but I don’t think a big suprise that we would have won at home over that Texas team.
So it’s really just 2 strange games thrown in there, the rest make sense.
Can't argue much with that review.
I think you’ve nailed it.
Texas
Always loses to Kstate when Texas is good and Kstate is bad( at least when Kstate is bad). Maybe this year will be different? Kstate is the better team, but Texas may have a shot. They are a 9 point favorite, the last time such outrageous odds were given to Texas, I think was 09 basketball versus OU, Texas was a 3 point favorite, despite OU having lost 1 time the whole season. Next thing we know Blake Griffin gets a concussion and sits the game, and Texas wins by 5 73-68
Texas knocks Colin Klein out early ( for the game, Klein is back the rest of the season)
and wins by less than 9.5 points
Mc 1035
I like your plan, but the only player we can count on to hit Klein hard enough to put him out is Vaccaro, and he probably gets tossed if he lays a finger on Klein. At the very least 15 yds USLC
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 18, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget Edmonds.
He killed a guy with a triton.
Me: "Hunny, how much is our Wedding budget?"
Fiance`"No, You can't have Craig Way call our wedding.."
Me: "Damnit.."
I saw that. He made need to lay low at a family members, or safe house.
by horninraidercountry on Nov 18, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
also not entirely accurate
Always loses to Kstate when Texas is good and Kstate is bad
See 1998. KSU ended up ranked #1 in the nation by the time the Big 12 championship game rolled around. We had a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense that year. And as has already been mentioned, we held Ricky Williams to 43 yards on 25 carries (1.72 YPC) the year he won the Heisman. I’d say you guys were doing ok if Ricky won the Heisman, since you have to play for a decent team in order to win that thing. (BTW, Michael Bishop was the Heisman runner up that year)
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by Jeremy Sharp on Nov 18, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
And by the way, OU sucks
Often overlooked about that 1998 KSU team is the role Stoops had in screwing up our mojo going into the B/12 championship game against aTm.
Stoops was hired right after (or before) Thanksgiving. He raids Snyder’s staff, including 1. Mike Stoops, defensive coordinator; 2. Venables, linebackers coach, 3. Mangino, offensive coordinator. We play aTm six days later. Our defense (best in the country that year – we gave up only THREE rushing TDs) goes into the tank. We can’t prove that Mike Stoops tanked us, but I have it on good authority that some of our defensive ends had to be physically restrained from doing bodily harm to the asshole after the game. That year was our shot at a MNC. Me, I just want to win some conference titles.
oh hail the Purple and White
I had no idea about all those guys leaving the team during that point in the season.
Really shows their character and loyalty to Snyder / KSU. At least 2 of those guys (Stoops & Mangino), it doesn’t surprise me, in the least. Bishop & KSU were rollin’ that year and shoulda won the national title. They were the best team out there.
It's not just football
KSU has had more than its fair share of victories over our hoops team too, including be the first team (of many, alas) to beat us when we were #1. I remember the KSU student body starting a “We Won Texas” chant towards the end of that game. Some on their high horses here on BON were offended; I was amused and conceded that they probably had a point.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 18, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
We won Texas
actually also works. It isn’t what KSU fans were chanting, but it still works in the situation.
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by Jeremy Sharp on Nov 18, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Swept Texas in baseball a couple years ago, too.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 18, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Like Mizzou
Back in the old days of the Big 8, Mizzou was always the giant killers. Might not win more than 4 in a season, but you could always count on them to ruin someones season. Some teams do respond to the challenge of being the underdog. Hope the spread this week doesn’t piss KSU off. We sure don’t need them to be extra motivated.
Making my first ever trip to DKR tomorrow
I can’t wait for this to be the year we finally buck the trend. Of course, if we do, I’ll be taking all of the credit! Can anyone tell me where the best tailgating spots are? My wife is from LSU and convinced they have the best tailgating. I very much would like to prove her wrong! Hook em Horns!
by LouisianaTexan on Nov 18, 2011 1:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't know about elsewhere...
…but northwest of the stadium along San Jacinto between the stadium (23rd Street) and Dean Keeton Street) there are a ton of tailgaters.
To err is human...but humans have such low standards.
LSU tailgating is hard to beat....
there are plenty of great spots south of the stadium in an area between MLK & 16th and Trinity & Congress
Thanks guys
I’ll definitely try those spots!
by LouisianaTexan on Nov 18, 2011 1:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'll admit that this KState team is a lot better, though
So if we lose to them, it wouldn’t actually be a surprise, or a case of the “underdog” upsetting us. Anyone who has read BON knows we’re not going into this as heavy favorites as the line would suggest. I’m amused to hear all the sportsheads on ESPN and elsewhere telling us to “watch out” for KState. Are you kidding? KState should watch out for US upsetting THEM, given our injuries on offense.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
Agreed
I have seen only one talking head pick UT. Really?
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Is it too late
to place Shipley on IR and try to get him a medical redshirt since he’s been out for a while? Is that even possible?
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by fanoflosingteams on Nov 18, 2011 1:27 PM CST reply actions
No IR for college football
and it is too late.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 18, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Somewhere Better Than Aggie
Andrew Michael, younger brother of aTm RB Christine Michael:
Where Andrew goes following his days at Ozen isn’t certain. He’d love to follow his brother to A&M. But he said Christine has other visions for his future.
“I want to go to A&M,” Andrew said. “It would be cool but he wants me to be in a better place than him. Like he wants me to be at LSU or something like that.”
Ouch!
Oh, that's priceless. Just priceless.
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by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Pure genius aggie
Wonder how this will help recruiting in Texas, after aggies jump to the SEC?
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 18, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Can I hear from anyone who is part of the 50% of bettors who are apparently betting on Texas...
to cover a 9.5 spread?
That line is insane. Is Klein hurt?
I just can’t believe that line is that big simply because Texas has more brand recognition than K-State.
@longhorn54b
Jesus, if I was not a Longhorn alum, I would take Kstate without the moneyline...
Just sayin’.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Which, if I understand Vegas odds correctly, means that the 3% of people betting on Texas...
are betting huge, disproportionate sums of cash to balance it out the totals on both sides…otherwise, the line would have dropped significantly.
The only thing that has made sense thus far is the rumor that Klien is hurt and will likely miss the game. But I’ve not seen that claim substantiated anywhere and I was simply passed along to me word of mouth from a friend who heard it from a friend and so on.
@longhorn54b
He has been taking limited reps in practice.
But I don’t know if that means he will miss the game.
Still, I never feel comfortable playing you guys, recent history notwithstanding. You will always have more talent than us, even with injuries, and since you are playing at home and have probably the stiffest defense we’ve played against this year (next to Oklahoma) it makes me worried that we’ll be able to keep the magic alive.
Plus, we are coming off an emotional and exhausting 4OT game, so who knows how that will affect the players stamina?
I do think the line is way crazy, but I would not be surprised at a Texas win.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 18, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Good point CPW
I had forgotten about the possible let down after big emotional wins factor, such as your last against atm. Thanks for the renewed hope. And good luck on the rest of your season. Hook ’Em
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 18, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Vegas knows
Vegas knows something. The line has stayed at 9.5 even with the public hammering the line.
KSU is 8-2 against the spread this year
For whatever reason, they seem to be the Dangerfield of college football. Vegas, certainly, seems to continue to think that KSU is worse than its record.
The best bet in this game, especially for Texas fans, is to take the under. I suppose the point total could hit 55, if Ash either breaks out this game and connects with 3-5 deep balls, or has the opposite day and throws 4-ish interceptions. Otherwise, I see a very Missouri game score in this one.
Very Mizzou score
Hard to imagine any thing but. But I will have to give some credit for the way Horns bounced back after ou game.OkSt. was still a lose, but much improved performance. We can only hope for similar bounce back.
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 18, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
The line did drop to 8.5. It's still insane.
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
In general
There are no gimme bets. It’s always good idea to go in the opposite direction of the public when the percentages are heavily skewed to one team.
KSU may own Texas
but what gets to me is that Notre Dame also owns Texas. Maybe that is why I hate them so much. Maybe there are other reasons. So the upcoming series will be interesting.
Other than these two teams, who else has a steady stream of victories over the Longhorns?
3rd Degree Longhorn
I believe that would be the mighty:
Vandrbilt Commodores
Notre Dame owns Texas?
Not meaning to argue, please remind me.
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 18, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
1971 Cotton Bowl comes to mind
Lost an NC on that one. 1978 Cotton Bowl, same deal, and an ugly loss to boot. Then there was that last-second field Irish goal to win — in Austin — sometime around 2003. Too lazy to Google the exact year. The only win we have over them that I recall was the 1970 Cotton Bowl, but that was a classic (and our second NC).
we didnt lose a National Title in that first Cotton Bowl loss
we still won the UPI Coaches Poll. Nebraska fans still poop themselves whenever they see the 1970 written in DKR
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Ha ha ha
Good!
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I believe ND has won 8 of 10 meetings.
In my football watching memories, I have not seen us beat them but have watched us lose to them too often.
3rd Degree Longhorn
I would say seeing that fatfat SOB Prince prancing down the sidelines was probably the worst ...
And as I recollect, that was one Jordy Nelson taking it to the house.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 18, 2011 3:39 PM CST reply actions
Jordy Nelson?
Stupid ? Is this the same J. Nelson that now plays for the Packers? If yes, I guess he really was that good.
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 18, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely the same guy
and yes…he was that good.
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)
by Jeremy Sharp on Nov 18, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
He really was and is that good
I always knew the guy would make a good NFL player and he has.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 18, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
What really bugs me about this
It’s bad enough to get our asses kicked, but the KSU folks don’t have to be so freaking NICE about it. If A&M had done this, they’d have added another verse to their fight song.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Nov 18, 2011 4:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I like this.
First to identify a TEWWT (so what if it was unintentional)
by Jeremy Sharp on Nov 18, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
I heard aggie
Was going to post their fight song on Ebay after Thanksgiving. No more use for it, and you know how they are when it comes to Texas and money.
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 18, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
With good reason
The reason why we (KSU) fans are so nice about winning is we have lost allot. If memory serves me correctly (don’t hold your breath), we were the first football program to reach 500 losses. We have an overall losing record. If it weren’t for Coach Bill Snyder, we would not be in the Big12 or we might not have a football program at all. When Coach Snyder retired, things were going downhill fast. Luckily he came back, and hopefully our next coach will be competent. Personally, I have liked the Longhorns for a long time. I remember watching a bowl game as a youngster, can’t remember which one, against a team from Florida, can’t remember which one. For some reason, I decided to root for the Longhorns. Unfortunately , Texas got it handed to them. I liked Texas and hated Florida schools ever since.
I have good memories of Longhorn
from the mid 60s and watching the UT-aTm game on Thanksgiving Day, after the early morning quail hunt at my aunt’s farm and the great dinner. I liked the helmets. See, back then KSU was never on tv, so folks like us became college football fans watching Longhorn, Sooner, Notre Dame, Wolverine (ect.)
Those “brand” advantages Longhorn have go way, way back.
oh hail the Purple and White
Our inherent humility is part of it
but I gotta say, the way Longhorn fans have always (even back in the 90s) reacted to losing to us has always served to keep me from trolly trolly trolling them. I’ll make jokes with Longhorn fans I know, but only because they understand it’s just good-natured ribbing.
I know nobody on either side of this thinks of this as a “rivalry”, and I think I’ve finally figured out why that really is.
You can’t LIKE your rivals.
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by jonfmorse on Nov 19, 2011 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone else find it disturbing that CHRIS SIMMS was the LAST longhorn qb to tame the wildcats?
That being said, the ’07 game hurt the most for me. We actually had something to play for that year and K-State came out of nowhere and derailed our season. The minute it was over, it absolutely poured. I felt like a medieval peasant-soldier marching back from a slaughter.
BEVO IS ANGRY!
Chance Mock started that game.
VY came in and had about 90 rushing yards and the winning TD w/ 5 minutes to go but Mock was the starter.
QB's
Yep, I remember that one well. Our (KSU) starting qb was out and we had a true freshman in. I believe Vince Young might have been a freshman, too and he was the difference. I was, and still am green with envy that ya’ll had VJ. We did knock around OU later that year. We all can celebrate that!
K-State 2007
I was standing in the south endzone bleachers and waited through the rain delay to see if Texas could pull it out. Jordy Nelson quickly squashed that hope.
by Hobbes881 on Nov 18, 2011 5:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Absolutely '07 was the worst
particularly because I remember thinking Colt’s FIRST sneak crossed the goal line. 2 plays later, Alamo Bowl. Shit.
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RS Frosh
Announcers have been saying he’s a red shirt freshman all night.
But, yeah, this kid is ballin!, I’m sure he’s been inconsistent like most FR’s are, but he’s shown that something at QB that NONE of our freshmen or older ones have shown since Colt. Not RS frosh Gilbert, not even one game in a year and a half. Not soph McCoy, not even one game. Not true frosh Ash. How highly rated was the ISU QB coming out of HS compared to our guys?
I really hope Ash is able to have a game like that kid, even just one this season. Or McCoy. The good ones show they have “it” even in their first seasons, then work on consistency. Do either of our remaining guys have “it”, or is next year another search for another freshman with “it”. Ash (or McCoy), STEP UP!
by RMHorn on Nov 18, 2011 11:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Gilbert Grape
He sure didn’t hope that run shoot helps him out at smu
Ash Jury still out McCoy texas career back up unless he fixes those damn crazy legs
Iowa State....wow
I mean…just…wow…
Just goes to show that the Big 12 is the deepest conference in the country this year.
Really pulling for OSU tonight, especially in light of the recent tragedy.
But gotta give a hat tip to ISU…Coach Rhodes continues to impress…
by BurntOrangeForever on Nov 18, 2011 11:00 PM CST reply actions
Why OU Sittin' Higher Than OSU?
OU’s loss was at home to a lousy TT team – and they were routed until the end of the game. OSU just lost to ISU (a better team) on the road, in 2OT.
If OSU beats OU they’d be way more deserving. And they’d have an equal or better resume than the other 1-loss teams, though Bama would be arguable. And I don’t think voters want an LSU-Bama boring rematch.
by RMHorn on Nov 18, 2011 11:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do not underestimate the SEC love
And the basis for rooting for OU lies mainly with how far Okie state will fall loosing to an unranked team. At the very least they might be behind 3 SEC teams.
Looking forward to a good game
Just a note out to Texas. Have to say that you guys have always been a class act every time we’ve played you. I for one was embarrassed when Prince did his childish/arrogant stomp along the sidelines a few years back when playing Texas. Super tacky. As one of my fellow Cat brethren mentioned, we are happy to have winning seasons after years of coming up short on wins. When I was going to school at Kstate, they used to give my entire fraternity free tickets to go to the games and shoot off a cannon just to get attendance up. Why we’re all Snyder worshippers, another class act and friend of Mack Brown.
As a note on the game, we’ll both be playing with plenty of injuries. Klein is beat up something awful after the workload he’s carried. And don’t underestimate our loss of Lockett. He wasn’t in the last game, but he’s been perhaps our most dynamic player the rest of the games this season and a major game changer.
Best of luck tomorrow. I’m looking forward to another great game.
by Cannon Crew Chief on Nov 19, 2011 1:20 AM CST reply actions
Prince was an aberration, I'm sure you agree
And not so bad considering what else goes on.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Best of luck in the game tomorrow UT fans!
Should be a great game, knowing my ‘Cats, it’ll come down to the wire.
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