About Last Night: Oklahoma State's Collapse Worst Loss in Big 12 History?
by 40AS on Nov 19, 2011 8:23 AM CST
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PrintIowa State's thrilling 37-31 overtime victory over Oklahoma State all but eliminates the Cowboys from the national title hunt and opens the door just a tad for Oklahoma to play in New Orleans. Okie State's loss got us thinking: coming against an Iowa State team struggling for bowl eligibility, an ISU team that put up just 13 points last week against Kansas and whose only previous conference wins came against Big 12 doormats KU and Texas Tech, is this the worst loss in conference history? The only other loss that comes close that we can think of is Oklahoma's loss earlier this season at home to a dreadful Texas Tech team. Considering the stakes and opposition last night, what say you?
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Considering the circumstances (plane crash)
I give Cowboy a semi-pass for last night. They were flat, and I imagine the crash had a little to do with it.
But aTm really lost 77-0? That’s sick.
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by 40AS on Nov 19, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It's gotta be OU's loss to Tech from earlier this year
Both losses were MNC crushers, but
a) ISU is better than Tech
b) OU lost in Norman, OSU in Ames
That Aggie loss definitely gets honorable mention though.
will you continue to hold that opinion
when Oklahoma is playing for the National Title in January? And OSU is playing in the Alamo bowl? Because I’m pretty sure OU’s now near-certain inclusion in the NT game should preclude their loss to Tech from any consideration. Yeah, I’m talking to you 34%.
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 19, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
It's hardly certain that OU will be playing for the BCS title
in fact, it’s less than likely.
Consider your argument invalidated.
What scenario in the last dozen years has led you to believe ...
… that the land thieves won’t weasel their way into the title game? They are the king of being rewarded and overrated for 1-loss regular seasons.
You do realize
OSU losing hurt OU. Now, an OU win at Bedlam isn’t quite as impressive to human voters. It’s also not AS big of a help with the computers with OSU having another loss.
You’re also more likely to see OSU in the Fiesta bowl if OU ends up in the NC, their worst case is the Cotton Bowl.
You can condescend the 34%, but you should probably figure out how this whole bowl system works first =/
OU's loss at home to an awful OSU team in 2001?
You know, the loss which completely unexpectedly opened the door for Texas to advance to the Big 12 Championship Game and … oh, never mind…
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 9:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Regardless of UT's el foldo ...
… that was a pretty big upset.
The aggy score could have been whatever OU wanted
OU’s 3rd team was taking a knee on aggys 2 yd. line – start of 4th qtr..
Aggys propensity for laying down in a game was never more obvious than in this one. Bear would have choked on his own vomit.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
As one who only really started paying attention to Aggie recently,
their inclination to view themselfs as a top 15 historically significant program is laughable. They aren’t “all that.” What they seem to have is a bunch of cultish rituals. Weird. How have you put up with them all these years?
oh hail the Purple and White
Drugs. Lots and lots of drugs.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 9:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
dont forget the alcohol
According to Wikipedia You Don't Exist!
by horns1025 on Nov 19, 2011 9:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Even the food at the Dixie Chicken tastes like crap!
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by Snide Aside on Nov 19, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
I've also read that last night hurts OU...
…in its bid to get to New Orleans.
They’d have to win out regardless, and not having a chance to knock off an undefeated OSU in Bedlam in what I believe would be the last pre-bowl game nationally (other than Army-Navy) harms them slightly in a beauty contest between them and UO and Bama.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 9:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't see OU getting in
Unless Oregon and Alabama both lose a game.
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Agreed.
OSU getting upset really doesn’t matter in OU’s scheme of things. If anything, it made their resume even worse. From this point on, it’s the same as it was: OU & OSU both control their destiny in the Big 12* and both could still conceivably play in the NT game, if things fall their way.
the winner of ou/osu is likely going to be the 2nd ranked team(unless lsu loses and then the big 12 team will likely be #1) in the computers due to the strength of the big 12’s nonconference record.
so that gives them a decent shot as long as the polls are split. ou beating an undefeated osu would have given them a better shot to jump teams in the human polls though, so the loss definitely hurts them.
Yes
Just to keep the Land Thieves from gloating about another Big 12 championship!
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Slight addition:
“Just to keep the Land Thieves from gloating about backing in to another Big 12 championship!”
by robthecob on Nov 19, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Some great Big 12 losses
On this list:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/53889-worst-losses-in-big-12-history
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Here's one for us to contemplate...
…when was the last time Texas suffered a stunning upset like this?
Our losses in the Mack Brown era have tended to be to better teams (OU, Bama) or when the team just isn’t that good (2007, 2010).
With the possible exception of KSU in 2006, I can’t remember the last time we suffered a loss like OU-Tech or OSU-ISU: losses not only clearly shocking at the time but also shocking when looking back after the season. (By that, I mean losses like the loss to UCLA last year: surprising at the time but much more understandable in context after reviewing a full season’s work.)
KSU 2006 doesn’t quite meet this “shocking” threshold for me – maybe I just don’t think any loss to KSU is “shocking”. But if not that loss, which? It has to be pre-Mack, right?
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 9:29 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Plus Colt got hurt against KSU
Disqualifying that one. The only shocking Texas losses are Tech in 08 and Colorado in 01, but both were to pretty good competition with an equal amount on the line.
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Yeah, losses to teams in the national championship hunt in late November or early December don't count
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 9:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Texas Tech 2003
We were #4 with a Top 5 defense poised to finally enter the BCS. Senior night at Tech destroyed all that and sent us to the Cotton Bowl. Again.
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep.
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by TexasGarcia37 on Nov 19, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Tech in 08 wasn't such a shock
Harrell and Crabtree with the Pirate still as coach. It was a game I was worrying we’d drop for weeks before it.
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Two that spring to mind in the Mack era
are NC State in Austin and Arkansas in Austin.
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by adt2 on Nov 19, 2011 12:34 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
don't speak of that team from the Carolinas
worst game I ever attended. left so pissed off.
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by TexasGarcia37 on Nov 19, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
CU 2001
I agree with 40AS. I am not sure how 2008 Tech could be in that they were a top 10 team playing on road. I think 2001 CU because Texas had trounced them 41-7 in Austin earlier.
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But that was a CU team...
…which wound up being .05 of a point away from playing for the national championship.
Disappointing? Certainly. Would we win that game more often than not if played 10 times? Probably. But anywhere near the level of shocking upset of OU-Tech or OSU-ISU this year, or OU-OSU 2001? Not at all. And that’s the thing – I don’t think Texas has had a loss like those for decades.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 9:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Remember how that CU team DESTROYED undefeated #1 Nebraska the week before
We were on notice that they didn’t exactly suck.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 9:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Once again, God is Telling us He does NOT want us cheering for any team from Oklahoma
I hope this is a good lesson to everyone, and that we accept this truth til the end of time.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
I'll still cheer for OSU because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
But I tell you what, those ’pokes have let us down so very many times before when playing OU.
Well
Sitting in Texas Stadium that night after watching Florida lose to Tennessee most Texas fans took this game for granted – basically a home game for Texas fans. I agree with above about being on notice but for shock value as related to Texas teams when they should have won – it was pretty shocking. Chrissy Simms meltdown is what I remember.
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I mostly remember the roughing the kicker penalty
that ended the game. I understand being aggressive, but Major and Co. couldn’t be stopped and you risk that?
by bevosbackside on Nov 19, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I'll never question them going for that punt block.
He was about 6" away from that block & sometimes things like that happen. I hated the outcome too but you’ve got to keep playing aggressively and one of Texas’ weapons through the Mack years has been punt blocks.
You don't take risks you can't afford to lose.
That’s the marker.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
so what part of being a fan means you personally insult your own team's players?
You sir are teh suck.
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by dukeoforange on Nov 19, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
That "pre-teen girl" made a few more million$ in the NFL than you, sir.
You may have been dissappointed by those seasons but let’s at least not blame ’em on just one kid.
No Worse Than Jim Rome
Chrissy Simms = Chris Everett
Same sentiment that Jim Rome was expressing to Jim – to his face – many years ago, meant to question his performance on the field, and both of their denials of their inadequacies as they chose to blame others for their failures. The opposite of someone who “man’s-up”.
I was never a Simms fan because he choked soooo bad against decent teams. And his comments in the NFL combines right after he graduated about how it was Mack Brown’s fault at pulling in the playbook and kept him on training wheels his whole time at UT that was the cause of his shortcomings showed just how much of a pussy he was, thus earning him the moniker “Chrissy”. Deservedly.
That said, how much I’d give for his performance at UT out of any of our QB’s these last two years, it certainly gives perspective. And his physical toughness in playing after rupturing his spleen during a NFL game was surprising, though that could’ve been just plain stupidity, damn, the kid really wasn’t far from dying!
He was certainly a mixed bag, but him trashing his school remains unforgivable to this fan and alumni. Chrissy Simms
Any comment...
…which tries to link a spleen injury to “stupidity” reveals a lot more about the person making the comment than the person about whom the comment is being made.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 1:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I read it as his "stupidity" was deciding to play with the injury
not a cause of the injury.
It's a gratuitous way to call a player he doesn't like "stupid"
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 2:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hopkins
It’s stupid to play when you could potentially die by doing so. That’s a fact. It’s a game. It’s not something to throw your life away over. It doesn’t mean the Simms is stupid. It means he made an extremely stupid decision.
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Easy There!
Not meant that way. Sometimes us guys can be so headstrong about our physical limitations and in ignoring pain that we get ourselves in trouble health wise. I, for one, hate going to the doc about anything unless I truly feel I’m on life’s doorstep. It’s the women in our lives who usually gets our asses to medical help when we need it that can prevent worse stuff from happening. Women live longer in large part because they pay attention to their bodies and get stuff checked out LONG before a guy does. And it’s probably a big reason why guys who are married live longer than single guys – wives will nag us to action. Calling Simms stupid was meant in that vein, he ignored his body’s signs to the point he nearly died. I’d call myself stupid for that same reason in some of my precautionary care for myself. And most women call guys stupid for the same reason. So, please, HH, chill out on my comment, you took it the wrong way.
Also...
…there are other forums like Shaggy Bevo which might be more appropriate for you than BON if you’re going to start calling former Longhorns “pussies”. Not appropriate or welcome here at all.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Simms Trashed Our Beloved University
He turned his back on UT. Perhaps understandable given the controversy he went through his whole time, but he trashed our school and the Longhorn nation. The pussy sentiment he earned. And if you took note of other parts of my comment expressing a bit of longing for him given our current QB situation instead of just being a hater towards me you’d show yourself to be more of a sophisticated reader of BON participants than you’ve revealed so far. If you don’t like me or the things I express that’s your issue, you can choose to ignore me and I’d be quite okay with that.
Give me the direct quote...
…with links showing how Simms trashed the university. I have not heard this, so I would like to know what exactly he said that makes calling him a “pussy” justifiable.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 2:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's Out There
The quotes came from his NFL combine interviews where he tried to make excuses for not performing. Enough readers of BON will remember them, don’t care to spend twenty minutes surfing the web to find them just to satisfy you. But I do remember many posts here, on BON, from people expressing the same disdain and sentiment towards him as a result of his comments as I did in this thread. I’m not exactly breaking new ground here with that. And I remember a post here even this year from a BON reader who said he sat next to Phil Simms on a flight where he acknowledged Chris had no love for his alma matter because of his experience at UT. Given the scorn that was heaped on him I can understand, but if you recall there was a deep divide, probably 50-50, in the Longhorn nation about him. He turned his back even on the 50% who supported him (and the institution) because of the 50% who didn’t. Thus the moniker “Chrissy” (not unlike “Chris Everett” for Jim), and my designation of him with women’s plumbing.
Look, HH, I like your insights and contributions to BON, and mostly enjoy reading them. And I get that you don’t particularly care for mine. Different strokes, you know. Ignore me, please, if you’re going feel like being a jerk towards me, though. I’m okay with this being a one-way street where I read and enjoy most of your stuff and you ignore or hate most of mine. We all have different insights, opinions and such and the beauty of this whole blog format thing is the ability for us to express them. Respectfully, RMHorn.
by RMHorn on Nov 19, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rome irritates me
When he comes on, the radio goes off.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Yeah, He's Hard to Take
Not a fan of him at all. But, you gotta admit, that interview made for entertaining television!
Caradoc & horndude are right.
He comes on at 10:00 am in Houston and I turn the dial somewhere else for those next 4 hours. He’s awful, his show is awful, and you just feel more stupid for having listened to it. Aside from his present suckitude, I loved it when Jim Everett came across the table at him. I wish it woulda killed Rome’s career right then & there. I can’t believe he gets any NFLers to interview on the air.
I've always thought the Rome-Everett "fight" was prearranged
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 6:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Never thought of it that way.
I don’t know. I don’t think Rome could have faked that pussy-falling-backwards-out-of-his-chair thing. I think Everett prolly just started laughing at him from above.
2003 big 12 championship
K state 35- ou 7…….people forget that at the time, that Ou team was being legitimately discussed as the greatest team of all time, debates on who was better …..them, 01 Miami or 95 Nebraska were being held on espn weekly
by wishiwasalonghorn on Nov 19, 2011 10:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Except that...
OU still made New Orleans, so that upset, as stunning as it was, lacks the “destroying the season” aspect the other losses have.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 11:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
But I'd have to agree with him on it being the most shocking upset, at least, in Big 12* history.
As a Texas fan, no win (not involving UT) was more satisfying than that one.
And it was a beat down.
for KSU to win was one thing; but the sheer domination of Sooner won’t be forgotten by KSU fans. The OU fans were streaming out of Arrowhead at the end of the 3rd quarter. Jason White, who won the Heisman that year, is right up there with the more overrated Heisman winners ever. He was not that good. Darren Sproles should have won it that year. His total yardage was like third in NCAA history.
oh hail the Purple and White
Sproles was a beast and the prototype "scatback", in my mind.
Man, I hope they show that beatdown on ESPN Classic soon. Gets me juiced just thinking about it.
Jason White doesn't get hurt
And they may very well go undefeated
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Colt McCoy doesn't get hurt vs. KSU ...
… and UT would have gone undefeated the rest of the season & won the natty. Don’t cry for 0U.
You mean Colt's freshman season?
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 19, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure how likely it would've been for Texas to have won the BCS championship game with freshman Colt
I do think Texas would’ve almost certainly won out the regular season and conference championship game, though.
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 19, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Well, in my fantasy world ...
… they win it all! Colt was pretty amazing that year. Besides vs. tOSU & post-stinger, he was absolutely on fire. I know they were w/out VY but that team was still loaded on both sides of the ball.
Yeah, Florida still would have gone
They were ranked ahead of us going into that day and didn’t lose again.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 6:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Honorable mention
Us beating Nebraska in Nebraska last year. I mean we were in the midst of the worst season in Mack Brown’s tenure here and we are in the corn. We couldnt pass the football at all, they had a stout defense and yet GG managed to wheel his way to a win.
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So . . . does Iowa State's win STUN you?
It didn’t shock me. Maybe after the Cowboys were up 24-7, yeah, I didn’t expect OSU to get beat.
Paul Rhoades pulls one of these every year. Nebraska in Lincoln two years back. Texas in Austin last year (sure, we ended up 5-7; but we were ranked and coming off the Nebraska win). I thought Iowa State’s ’11 shocker was Tech, until Tech destructed.
Plus, this was a trap game if ever there was one. Odd day to be playing. Night game, up north. Open date and Bedlam looming. The distraction of the basketball coaches’ tragedy.
Yes but......
I have been really wondering about the OSU defense and it was confirmed last night. Take a look at the last few ISU drives – OSU D was winded with hands on hips bending over. 4th qtr and OT – ISU running game just could not be stopped. Maybe it was the distraction of the tragic events or maybe when up 24-7, they just assumed the game was in the bad and slacked. Not sure but after watching 4th qtr and OT, I am doubting their ability to beat OU, even in Stillwater.
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meant game in bag!
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ISU keep Cowboy D on the field most of the third quarter
and had a big time of possession edge. OSU D was just worn out…and the offense never came to their rescue with several three-and-outs plus the INTs.
it didnt just stun me edsp
it stunned the 150$ i had on OSU…
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by dukeoforange on Nov 19, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
ISU in B12 = Minnesota in B10
Minnesota has been good for one major upset per season these last two decades. They never win shit overall, but most every season they kill some other B10 team’s hopes. ISU has recently emerged as the same kind of nip you in the ass teams for the B12 that destroys dreams
by RMHorn on Nov 20, 2011 12:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Still just kids
Last night is just another reminder that they’re just kids at the college level (With exception of Weeden, who has no excuse for his awful performance). The coaches can take them only so far, and in tough daddy figures’ cases like Saban and Stoops that’s usually pretty far. But you see the same letdowns with 19 year olds that I see week in and week out with 10 year olds, the difference usually being one of degree not kind.
I’m praying for an Arkansas upset o LSU otherwise I’ll likely be checking out of college football after A&M game.
I’ve come to believe that in a funny hick-like irony, the SEC is like Obama and the rest of college football is like the Republicans. Bama sucks but everybody else keeps losing. And I’m not interested in LSU BAMA II
by TEXAS91 on Nov 19, 2011 10:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I agree
that this hurts OU more than helps. Sure they needed OSU to lose, but only to them. Beating # 2 is much better than beating # 10 or wherever OSU drops to, especially when your loss and their loss were both to terrible teams.
Oregon, alabama, and Stanford all have 1loss, but all to top 5 teams.
Go Hogs!
We will have a BCS championship doubted by many if the Hogs beat LSU and you have about 10 1 loss teams!
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I voted for "other" in the poll, and this is why:
Texas destroying Colorado, 70-3, in the Big 12* Title game trumps everything, in my opinion. CU was the North Champ and was actually fairly solid, if not spectacular. You remember how a pedestrian KSU team beat OU 35-7 and pretty much dominated them the whole game? Well, I would equate that CU team with the KSU winner and Texas absolutely took them apart with, I believe, that end score being completed by the end of the 3rd quarter. To me, no regular season 77-0 or whatever else equals that 70-3 score in a conference title game against a division champ. It also tells you just how good that Texas team really was.
Middle of the 3rd, as I recall
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 12:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's also indicative of what happens when a team quits
1968. About the fourth year of the Houston Veer, and they were damn good. Played us to a tie in a year we went 9-1-1 and ended up No. 3. UH led Tulsa 37-6 at the half. Easy win. 51-6 after 3Q. Then, Tulsa lay down and UH went 49-0 in the final quarter to reach 100.
And, as others pointed out, they are college kids. Tulsa beat UH the next year!
Gracious!
I never knew about that “100” game. I’ll have to check that out.
I read a good article on it a few years back
I think Tulsa’s excuse was that they were extraordinarily banged up and had absolutely nothing left in the 4th.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 19, 2011 6:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You have the right score, wrong story
Houston lost to Tulsa, 22-13, in 1967.
Bill Yeoman was pissed, so he ran it up on Tulsa in ’68
In 1969, Houston beat Tulsa 47-14,
Texas Tech 70 Nebraska 10, 2004
That was pretty bad. Leach said he couldn’t help it, it was all his subs knew how to do.
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I loved the whole '07 Nebraska season
’Huskers allowed 41 and 45 points to Missouri and Oklahoma State, then got serious about defending extra points and catching kickoffs . . . by surrendering 76 to Kansas and 65 to Colorado. That team also gave up 40 while BEATING Ball State.
Only time they stepped up was against us, and we got out of DKR-Memorial 28-25. Thank you, J. Charles!
J. Charles ...
… was lightning in a bottle in that 4th quarter. Aside from Malcolm Brown’s sideline sprint vs. TTech ‘08, that was the fastest I think I’ve ever seen a football player run in a game. All he needed was a crease.
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