Texas Falls Short Against Kansas State Yet Again

He did better. We hadn’t scored a TD in 100 minutes (or so the tv said) and within a couple drives Case got the ball in the end zone. McCoy has a better timer for when to try to get out and make a play. Because of that, he should earn the starter nod.

How is it we sit B&B in the Mizzou game, seemingly because we won’t mortgage our future on one game, but we have a GG like short leash on Mr. Ash? If we are indeed looking to 2012, then why not leave him in the game to work thru all his game mismanagement and freshman mistakes? An upperclassman could probably deal with the fact that if he plays poorly or makes mistakes he may have to sit, but IMHO I don’t think a true freshman can handle this sort of pressure. It’s enough to learn the offense, reading defenses and how to make in game adjustments and audibles, do we really need him looking over his shoulder at this point when no other true freshman is getting the hook for freshman errors? The coaching staff is killing his confidence.

Case came in and did exactly what I’ve been saying he would do given the opportunity…it was a lot to ask of him to come in 14pts down and win it, he should’ve been in the entire game! Ash being a freshman is not an excuse for his consistent poor play every week, braxton miller at t-osu is playing far better than Ash and making fewer rookie mistakes.
Since this isn’t the 60’s & 70’s where players needed a year or more to develop, we can’t make excuses for freshman that considerably hurt their team’s chances of playing a quality bowl game like Ash has done

bryan harsin`s game plan was CRIMINAL.david ash threw 19 passes in the first half.that is 9 more passes than he should throw in 2 games.to make it worse malcolm brown had 4 first half carries including none after he ran for 12 yards.joe bergeron had 5 first half carries.with such a young team the coaching staff should help to win games but this is 2 games in a row that offensive play calling lost both games.where are the consective runs for brown and bergeron.passing for our qbs should only be a last resort.neither qb has shown the ability to pass so why 37 pass plays.after quandre`s punt return 49 yards over 2minutes left and 4 straight passes.

I’ve been in Ash’s corner since he was handed the starters job. Why, because he had more to work with. Bigger body, stronger runner, stronger arm. He has done nothing to convince me that was the right call as of yet. Stronger arm, yes. Accuracy no, it is not there even on short to intermediate stuff. On pass plays, he is a turn over waiting to happen. We rarely run designed plays to utilize his running abilities. Not his fault Harsin seems determined to mold him into something he is not, a pocket passer. McCoy on the other hand gives me the look of a QB that would be happy throwing 50 passes a game, but he just doesn’t have the arm strength to make deep throws or crisp sideline passes. He just was not blessed in that way, again not his fault. He appears to have a better understanding of what Harsin wants. Maybe that’s from being a coaches son, or 1 more year of college experience, don’t know that either. What I do believe, though is that both young men are being asked, and are trying their best to make things happen that they can’t do. For that effort alone I applaud them and thank them. It can’t be easy to try as hard as they both do, and still receive such harsh criticism. That is why I lay all the blame for this mess at Harsin’s feet. As a long time Horn’s fan I don’t want to see this nonsense every 3 to 4 years after our next perfect QB has left, That’s if we ever find another one that compares to Colt or VY. If Harsin is the boy genius we all thought, he should be able to adapt to the talent he has available. We are 10 games ,and several practices in to this season, and I don’t see alot of adapting. We obviously can’t run the true Boise offense so, lets run the Longhorns O. We have running backs that Boise would kill for, but at the most unusal times we abandon the run. 49 yards 2:30 min. and we are there. I know hind sight and 20/20, but we didn’t even threaten to take back this game. 4 passes in the face of what is now days called a prevent defense. Not very creative to me. What about a draw to one or more of those stud running backs. Who’s to say they don;t go all the way? Or at least get us closer to McCoy’s arm range? Wish we had at least tried something different. I am sure some one will point out that we had no TO’s, but it only takes B/B about 6 seconds to cover 49 yds. You can still run up and stop the clock if they don’t score. Just venting, thanks, Hook ’EM beat aTm

Malcolm and Joe looked look good even without being at 100% oh and the best news of all….OU still sucks

That is what CEO coach should be for recruiting either one of these QB’s. Neither have any pocket presence and looked scared to death when rushed. Case kept stepping into the rush. Case just wanted the ball out of his hands so no one would touch him.

I don’t think it matters who we start. Texas won’t win another game this season and looking at who we are recruiting I don’t see any help coming next season. Oh we get another RB who they won’t play.

atm at least has a QB who can throw more TDs than picks. With the way the Texas QBs are playing, Texas may be in trouble if atm scores first. And thats rediculous. The defense can only do soo much, but they’ve been let down by the offense for 2 years now. But the defense also arent getting any turnovers to help the offense. This team has a lot of work to do still. B&B are the only ones on offense who are doing their jobs. O Line has pass bloocking problems, WRs still drop a lot of passes, QB nothing needs to be said. The only ones who should be gauranteed playing time next year, should be B&B. This may be me, but going 6-6 isnt turning it around after going 5-7. So far they’ve won one more game, thats nothing to boast about.

I loved Austin and the facilities, but if I wanted to play with QBs like that I would stay an extra year in High School

Hell worked early in the year might as well use it again

and the officiating was criminal,,,it felt so good to be at DKR last night. The place was LOUD and PROUD and rocking. Kudos to the fans for staying in the game to the bitter end. What a difference a year makes.

in 120 hours we will be DONE with aggy football. We can take their flag down, we can close that chapter. So close. So very close. We are almost finished with aggy. See? Life isn’t so bad. I feel a party coming on.

After more than a decade of spread offense and heavy QB/WR play in Texas High Schools, we seem to see a lot of these young men hit college and be completely unprepared to step up to the next level. Not being ugly, but both McCoy and Ash were courted by several major brands and were touted among the very best in High School. Now, we see them both struggling like middle schoolers, even as GG departs in shame, Marquise is only reliable with the ball if you hand it to him on a sweep and Mike Davis has never found his stride. Is our greatest strength (the Texas recruiting pool) becoming a huge liability…or did Greg Davis and company just make horrible recruiting decisions?

teams almost always bring their best game after their best week of practice with the most hype coming out of their coach’s office against the evil tyrant Texas. If we don’t have our A game, shit like last night happens. Hell, even the refs seem to be getting on the bandwagon.

Wish we couldve come out with a W. Defense played lights out, couldnt create any turnovers unfortunately. There were a couple of questionable ref calls, which ultimately changed the outcome of the game.

I personally wish we wouldve gone for a TD on 4th down instead of kicking the FG. I knew that if we didnt score a TD after a CJ long run, we wouldnt of won the game.

Also, another thing to note. Was probably mentioned already, but sometimes seemed like there was a lack of effort. I thought that a pass to DJ grant in the EZ had a least a minor chance of being caught if he had dived for it, same with second to last drive on a long throw to mike davis.

Both QBs arent very good, but personally, I believe that McCoy should be starting the rest of the year. He doesnt have the “arm strength”, but we need to be creating screens and short passes to get first downs. Besides, Ash’s long balls are for the most part, inaccurate.

but at Mizzou we had the Vaccaro farce, and no matter what anyone says, the game was DIFFERENT after that play. After all, Mizzou did score on the very next play when it would have been 4th down. Fast forward to last night, KSU DB mauls Davis on the go route, and we get nothing. Byndom does the same, flagged = KSU TD right before the half. We get a turnover on muffed punt, but nooooo, penalty on us for catch interference. Yet, KSU has same guys around Diggs, and nothing. I know our offense is dreadful right now, but we can’t keep having to overcome the zebras too. I’m just sayin, it is not evening out right now.

…that can be fixed. Case’s inability to hit anything more than a 10 yard lob cannot. Ash still needs to improve, obviously, but I want to know how the haters think that was supposed to happen. When we rushed for 800 yards in two games everyone was jumping for joy, but that was at the expense of both practice and game snaps that MUST happen to develop the passing game…painful or not. So, then we lose all three backa, then we get two back and they look OK, fine, but if you saw Malcolm or Joe running with power and agilitynlast nofht I want some of what you’re smoking.

There are so many people at fault for our offensive woes, both on the field and off, both new coaches and some wo “retired”..and yes, Ash as well…but at least Ash has the physical tools to keep every page of the plabook open. He just needs some coaching, and some receiving help. I know he hit wrpng shoulders at timea, but when pur receivers are close, getting hands on the ball, damnit, someone needs to step up. A pass is a contravt between two players. If a QB gets it close it’s the receiver’s end of te bargin to go get it.

And, I thought Case’s throw in the 4th quarter, 50 yards into the wind, is more than adequate to “stretch the defense”.

Further, in terms of issues that can be coached out of players, happy feet is much easier to manage than consistent short/intermediate accuracy issues.

Both occurring this season?

Ash was a more touted recruit. He is stronger. He’s a good guy, from all accounts. He has earned the starting job, due to his performance in practice. He produces zero passing touchdowns, telegraphs his passes, and throws lots of interceptions. Sound familiar? It should, because those are all the attributes of the most recent SMU Mustang Garret Gilbert. I’m sure Gilbert and Ash are two great kids, with a strong desire to do well and win, but they can’t cut it. It’s not personal, it’s strictly business.

Without delving into specific numbers, McCoy is simply more accurate and is a better fit for our current offense. We are developing a power running game with 3 really good RBs. We need a QB to manage the offense AND make an accurate 10-20 yard pass every now and then. Ash has simply proven inadequate to fulfill the latter. I don’t understand how some people are dismissing McCoy’s wide open TD pass to Irby. It was a great accurate pass and he hit him in-stride for the score. Could Ash have made that pass? He should be able to, but he’s proven time and time again to throw in-front of, behind, or over wide open receivers both last night and in past games.

Another thing that annoys me is emphasizing that Ash is stronger and more physical. So what? I doesn’t matter that he can throw down field if he can’t throw it accurately to the correct team. I’m also hearing things like “you can’t coach strength.” Yes you can. Get McCoy in the weight room in the off-season. Beef him up like we beefed up Colt for four years. Coach him well, teach him better pocket-presence. Teach him when to scramble and when to throw the ball away. In my opinion, Case’s physical weaknesses can be fixed easier than Ash’s mental errors.

Currently, we have two bad quarterbacks. Case McCoy is the best option to go with out of our two bad options. If you find yourself in a gunfight, would you choose to bring a knife or a an old rusty gun that sometimes misfires? Case is our misfiring gun. The situation is bad, but you have to make the best of it for the remaining 3 games. If we recruit a good freshman QB and he beats out Ash/McCoy, then go with him for 2012. As for 2011, START CASE.

beating the living shit out of the aggies. lets pray to God that the team brings its best game of the season into college station and whips the aggies on national television. and dont tell me it aint possible cause it sure as hell is possible. if we simply play classic Texas Football and run it we’ll be fine especially with the way our defense is playing. if we gotta play to field position fine. i like our defense against the aggie offense. eventually if we just stick to the running game we’ll get some points. and the way our defense is playing all we need is 17 points to win

take away the 7 points that the refs gave to K-State and the 10 off of turnovers k-state scores 0.

The game gets tied up if Fozzy runs that long 60+ yard run wild formation play because he would have out ran the other defenders and tied it at 17. Probably would have given the offense enough time to score a FG to end the game to make it 20-17 Texas. Between the ref’s bullshit and Fozzy’s injury Texas wins the game.

I would give Case McCoy a shot for the A&M game to see what he can do. Ash is just not accurate enough right now to be any good passing. Case has yet to throw an int. Surprised that Chris Sims holds the UT record for most completions to start a career before an int.

“Surprised that Chris Sims holds the UT record for most completions to start a career before an int.”

I saw a flat under performing offense with David Ash at QB and I saw an offense that started to perform under Case McCoy. Black and white.

It is not fair to ask Case to come in cold late in the game and clean up Ash’s “already made messes”. He needs to be getting the starting reps in practice and start. Then he can be fairly evaluated and praised or picked apart. Right now David Ash is not getting it done, plain and simple. I hope Colt is talking to his little brother a bit. I think that would help a lot too. Mizzou, OKie State and K-State are all winnable games with a more productive offense and I think Case can give us that more that Ash can… no pun intended. :-)

It’s too bad we lost GG for the season because at least turned out to be a nice running QB.

sorry guys, we have a greater problem than who plays QB. all i see is that mack has crested and he will not come close to winning another nc. (just my gut feeling).
just a matter of time until we start paying someone else 5.9 million.
we have 10 million dollars in coaches and top five recruiting classes year after year
and the ceo has lost “it” and we will go 6-7. no way we beat aggy or baylor after seeing last night’s game. he looks just like last year when being at the game you just knew we would find a way to lose. plenty of excuses to go around.
the icing is that stoops is done too!
but i will still be at every game as a die-hard longhorn as usual. HOOK"EM!!

Stacked the line with nine in the box and dared us to pass. They weren’t worried and with good reason. We are no threat at all throwing the ball.
Once we present some sort of throwing threat and with our awesome running game we will be looking at a natty championship in two years.

so long as he doesn’t do that thing Ash does which is run completely backwards, lose 15 yards in one go and utterly kill a drive.

That was what, a foot or two out of Mike Davis’ reach on the last/next to last drive? Didn’t he wing that over 50 yards? It looked pretty accurate, but Davis was just a step too slow for the catch.

I honestly haven’t seen Case throw enough to know if he really has a weak arm. How strong does your arm really have to be to connect on 10-20 yard throws and let the receiver do the rest? As we saw from Ash, just because you can chuck it 60 yards but without any semblance of accuracy, what really is the point of having the “big arm”?

Eh, I don’t know. I was never sold on Ash when Mack handed him the job weeks back. And Mack constantly pulling Ash for Case in the 3rd/4th quarter is incredibly unfair to both players. Mack earns a hell of a lot of money to make the tough decisions. If his Chosen One isn’t getting it done, he needs to fix it, not keep this ridiculous “let him play, get behind, then toss Case in there cold” nonsense he’s been pulling the last two games.