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Recruiting: 4-5 Stars vs. Less Heralded


In reflecting on our current quarterback conundrum I recall reading an old article from sometime during the 2004-2009 stretch that compared UT recruiting to OU's recruiting.  The story described how Mack had spent his first few years at UT recruiting the highest rated talent, and loaded up on 4 and 5-start recruits, whereas OU had fewer of the highest rated kids.  But it turned out the higher rated kids were soft in the face of adversity, leading to losing to OU five games in a row - two of which remain among the worst defeats in the history of the program when all the top talent on Texas quit on Mack.

The article continued to describe how Mack changed his recruiting philosophy to bring in more of the kids with less talent but more character, while Stoops flipped and began focusing on winning the war of most 4-5 star recruits.  It noted how UT went on to win 4 of the next five matchups and become a stronger contender for national championships than OU.  The message of the story was that chasing the top-rated talent can easily end up chasing fool's gold and that landing tough character that has been put through the fire, overcome adversity and naysayers to compete at the top levels and prevail leads to better results.

Sometime after that story, or perhaps even as it was being written it seems like Mack & Co. reverted to the form he first had upon his arrival at UT, while Stoops learned from his mistakes and reverted to his original recruiting preferences.  To be sure, both coaches still got their share of top recruits when they were chasing character more than ratings, but the mix has been the variable.

Just how much is chasing the top rated recruiting classes, with a focus on chasing the top rated QB position a factor in the current predicament the Longhorns find themselves in?  Why do you think MB so quickly forgot the lesson we thought he had permanently learned?   Is this year's incoming class that's received top honors for most highly rated recruits another step in the wrong direction?  How can coaches better evaluate HS talent for the character that has proven it can overcome adversity as preferable to talent that comes from a system (GG) where a kid's never had to overcome difficulties through his own grit and determination but puts up glorious numbers that seem too impressive to ignore?  Why does a coach who's compensated above most every peer have to re-learn such obvious lessons in assembling the right mix of raw talent and character that refuses to lose?

Just to be clear, I don't believe this year's squad is as entitled or full of quitters as we had in those ugly OU loss seasons.  But they certainly were last year.  And not having a QB with wiles and moxie since Colt (but with FABULOUS arms to show off on the practice field!) may very well be the harbinger of the end of the Era of Mack Brown Love in Austin.  If any of you remember the article I'm referring to feel free to link it here, I wouldn't know where to start to search for it.  I place our difficult state of affairs on the failure of our coaches (MB, GD, etc) to learn from history and dooming themselves to failure.

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Which kind of recruits would you like to have at Texas
Enough 4-5 stars to win top ten in nation recruiting honors?
48 votes
A top twenty in nation recruiting class with more kids from fewer "system" high schools?
30 votes

78 votes | Poll has closed

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UT has ONLY had the #1 recruiting class one time (according to rivals.com)..

That recruiting class won a BCS (Rose Bowl) and a National Championship.

Give me the #1 recruiting class all day, and I would take my chances with it.

by chupita on Nov 22, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions  

Recruiting rankings . . .

the 4 and 5 stars, the blue-chippers always was, and always will be, so much ink and hype.

Bill Yeoman won three of the first four SWC titles Houston could compete for. Won them largely with players overlooked or unwanted by the powers that were in that era — us, Aggie, Baylor, Arkansas.

There’s an art to talent-spotting, which I’d define as very different than recruiting. Recruiting is selling, convincing, presenting. Talent-spotting is seeing nuggets of skill, and upside potential, that others don’t. Crabtree. Earl Thomas. Russell Okung. RGIII. Fill in your own names.

OU is better than about anybody at talent-spotting (and then developing it). Boise State is another. Obviously, the mad scientist in purple is No. 1 at this.

I’m with Chupita, with a qualifier. Get 15 off the top of the blue-chip list; but channel Snyder or somebody like him to your staff and add 5 to 8 Okungs each February.

by edsp on Nov 22, 2011 12:41 PM CST reply actions  

Why are the two mutually exclusive?

I’ll take a #1 class with kick ass kids. But just as edsp states it requires more than reading Rivals list & selling. It requires proper analysis in how the kid fits your systems. Alabama, LSU & USC have had pretty good runs with highly rated classes.
BTW Bill Yeoman had the benefit of playing his players when he won those championships.

by ole tnhorn on Nov 22, 2011 2:09 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, Couldn't Think How to Phrase 2nd Question

And I was really more interested in other comments anyway, don’t know why I got gimmicky with a poll that wasn’t well thought out.

I had just remembered that article from when we were riding high and thought Mack had figured it out then, only to find ourselves back here – actually even worse than the early MB years with Simms! When you see enough teams with recruiting classes devoid of noteworthy talent perform better than we have with top 10 talent for two years running and no hope on the horizon to be better than 7-8…MAYBE with the Lord smiling and everything lining up, 9-win seasons…these next few years I can’t help but wonder what all the hype about ratings and class rankings is all about. And I have always thought that after you cross a minimum talent threshold that’s the mode in the NCAA (or NFL, NBA, whatever level you’re competing at) that character and drive (the intangibles) matter more than landing a player who’s an outlier on the top-side. Sport and competition is about what’s inside the mind as much or moreso than the physical gifts an athlete is endowed with as long as the athlete has talent that’s equal or only slightly better than most of his co-horts.

As I’ve lived and witnessed life I’ve noticed that the most gifted guys are used to things coming easily to them and lack the inner strength to rise above adversity. Guys who have to fight to be where they are have far more character that matters in gut-check time. I’ll take a team full of more scrappy fighters with a chip on their shoulders than all-world talent that coasts through the season. We’ve had too much of the latter and not enough of the former for too long now on the 40 acres.

by RMHorn on Nov 22, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Texas needs to look at adding more recruits in East Texas but it’ll never happen even tho this is the region that dominates the state. Especially in the lower classifications 3A and lower. South Texas, the Metroplex, Houston area, and west Texas can’t compete with East Texas speed and this is why TCU, OU, and OK State have been out recruiting Texas for the last 5 years. I’m not saying rank wise, I’m saying overall recruits. It sucks because they are letting some great talent go to crappy schools who would prefer to go to UT.

by spakastu on Nov 23, 2011 9:45 AM CST reply actions  

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