Texas 27, Texas A&M 25: Final Score 76-37-5
by Peter Bean on Nov 25, 2011 3:16 AM CST
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There are wins, and then there are wins. This was one for the ages, a dramatic exclamation point that perfectly encapsulated the dynamic between these two schools. The Aggies, roster loaded up for a BCS run, limp meekly away from the Big 12 after a pathetic 6-6 season, the final indignity a home loss to a rebuilding Texas squad with no offense to speak of.
And worst of all for A&M, the road to redemption no longer goes through Austin, but through Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, and Gainesville. Whoop! (Whoops?)
What. A. Win. It's as proud a day to be a Longhorn as it is dispiriting to be an Aggie. Our defense delivered an epic performance, and our offense and special teams came through with just enough to seal the deal. We needed every last bit of what we got from all three phases in the game, and I couldn't be more proud of this team for gutting out this win.
Texas A&M: The GTFO Tour is complete. Good luck in the SEC. /snicker
After the jump, a few late night thoughts on the performance of the good guys.
Defensive dominance. What can you say about the performance of our defense? Manny Diaz's crew held the Aggies to 4.0 yards per play across 82 plays and produced 3 turnovers. It was a complete effort with brilliant contributions from every unit on the field, so much so that the announcers couldn't help but wonder how this Longhorns unit compared to the country's top two units at LSU and Alabama. Our defensive line was a disruptive force, our linebackers cleaned up as Manny Diaz's defense ideally envisions, and our secondary was jaw-droppingly great. If our offense were even halfway capable, we'd be 9-2 and one of the hottest teams in the country. Our defense has been that good the last month, and they peaked tonight.
It literally boggles the mind that Carrington Byndom is a true sophomore and Quandre Diggs is a true freshman. The Red River Shootout seems so long ago, doesn't it?
Special teams makes a difference. As frustrating as it was to see us punt the ball 30-35 yards up the field over and over, our special teams was in every other regard essential to this victory. We picked up a huge turnover on a muffed punt, Diggs' monster return set up a field goal, and Justin Tucker more than made up for his punting with a nails field goal to win the game. It's amazing how much we've asked of Justin Tucker this year, and he earns his place alongside Dawson, Pino, and Lawrence in the legends book. As for Diggs, again I ask: is he really a true freshman? How far has he come this year? What an amazing talent.
The offense comes through when it counts. It's been a painful, frustrating year for this offense, in part because we've suffered some injuries, but mainly because of the poor play from our young quarterbacks. Tonight's performance was almost another frustrating coulda-shoulda-been, with limited rushing, mediocre quarterbacking, and disappointing play from our receivers. But when it counted most -- when there was nothing more our defense could do to win the game -- they pulled together for the one drive we had to have.
We've been awfully hard on both Ash and McCoy as they've struggled through this year, and had we fallen just short once again we'd have to spend another week talking about what these kids aren't able to do. But Case McCoy finally put those happy feet to productive use, ripping off the most important run of the football season and delivering us a win. For tonight, at least, that's all that matters. Tonight, Case McCoy, you are a Longhorn Legend, and we salute you. What a run. Next time please go down.
Texas has an identity. Without question, we still have a long way to go as a football team. We only managed 237 yards of total offense, after all, and let's be honest: while Case McCoy is the hero tonight, if that last drive doesn't produce point we're having the same conversation we've been having after the past two games.
But something important happened tonight. We won a tough game on the road in ways that confirm that we're on the right path forward. We got it done defensively with a dominant, game-defining performance. We won special teams decisively as a team with our limitations had to do. And our offensive coordinator manufactured just enough points to win with a young, rudderless group: All you need to know about the importance of that 41-yard TD on the double pass from Shipley to Irby is that we didn't have the straight-ahead firepower to punch in Diggs' punt return from the 8 yard line.
There are questions that remain unanswered after tonight's game and which will be critical to our maximizing our potential in 2012 and beyond, but tonight's victory confirmed that we have a new identity following last year's meltdown, and provide reason to be excited about our ability to figure it out. We need a quarterback, we need our line to continue to improve (and add depth), and we need our receivers to get a lot better.
How well we're able to address those issues will determine our ceiling going forward, but for now, the most important thing to appreciate is the way this group developed and fought this year. We weren't a great team this year, and we haven't had a great season. But we have every reason to feel good about Texas football again. After last year, that's something neither we, nor our coaching staff, should take for granted.
Onward and upward, and it's good-bye to A&M. Hook 'em, Horns.
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Sherman is in denial
He said Aggies should’ve won this game. Oh really Sherman? And how many games have you won that you probably should’ve lost? You classless fool. He had one last chance to pay his respects to his opponent and he couldn’t even handle that. Good riddance!
by Horns94 on Nov 25, 2011 3:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions
He may be right
It depends on how he saidd it and what came before and after. If he means they should have won because they were predicted to contend this year for the conference championship while UT was rebuilding, because they were playing at home, because they had almost twice as many first downs, because they led with less than 2 minutes to play and the Horns hadn’t done anything offensively all night, or because they probably had more experienced and talented players, he is right. If he is saying, however, the Ags should have won but lost it on a bad call or because their star RB was injured or something like that, then he is a poor loser. Actually I think Slocum had alot more class that Sherman, anyway.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Either way
every coach in D1 football could say they should have won the game at some point. That’s not the point.
And then there's Malena
What crack is this guy smoking? He said they need to forget about Texas, they’re moving on to bigger and better thing. Buddy, it don’t get bigger or better than Texas Football.
by Horns94 on Nov 25, 2011 3:44 AM CST via mobile reply actions
One quibble, PB ...
Well done. But …
I think we have a QB. Case has the “it.” He is playing at least one year ahead of schedule. All will be well.
Great post. Glorious night here @ BON.
Hook ’em.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 3:46 AM CST via mobile reply actions
He didn't turn the football over
(and was lucky in that regard). But I think the standard is higher at Texas. Ahead of schedule are guys like Shipley, Diggs, Byndom, Brown, Bergeron, etc.
He's Quite a Good Leader
…but he needs to get in the weight room and not come out!
Yeah, I saw a photo of his run in the paper today
and was surprised at how thin his legs were.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
I understand your point ...
But mine is … the guy just engineered a last-minute comeback in the last minute in what is probably one of the top 10 wins in Texas history. He clearly has the intangible you need. We said a lot of same stuff about big brother. With a good defense and running game, Case will be very good next year. Some one may beat him out, but good luck …
Do y’all remember how we kept waiting for Colt to lose his job, too? He was just there until the next stud got recruited. Well, it turns out he was the next stud.
Hey, I just pinched myself and realized (again) what happened last night. Beautiful, simply beautiful.
Hook ’em …
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
It was a great win
You’re entitled to your opinion about what “it” is. As for me and that last minute comeback, I don’t call a 3 passes for 13 yards, 2 rushes for no gain, a 15 yard penalty and a 25 yard run “engineering”.
But, again, great win. Loved the effort and passion all around, great to see Shipley and Irby…knee problems and all…get together on that touchdown pass, and another great performance by the defense and the young corners.
The run alone under those circumstances was Ph.d. engineering ...
Look. One play/drive can change or reveal a destiny. Our offense was horrible much of the night … but as I said below it will come out eventually if what I said is right. I think I know what I saw. “It.” Give him another year and we’ll know if I am right. Beating him out will be tough for whoever. Doesn’t matter what I think, though. If he’s got it, he is going to be the QB.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Keep in mind
His big brother had the benefit of being the number one QB and getting all of the reps in prep for his redshirt freshman year and then all season long. Case has NOT had that… not at all. He has had to come into the middle of two games cold and try to pull them out. Last night he started and he did just enough to get it done. And the recieving corps (Shipley is the exception and possibly Goodwin too) did not do a lot to help him at times. If more of those passes are caught rather than dropped Case has a much better game. I for one hope the kid blossoms… after all it is really good to hear “McCoy to Shipley” in our game calling again.
Play like you mean it...
I agree.
But from last year all the way up to know his mechanics have made ZERO improvement. He still sits on his back leg on deep throws and side arms the ball.
I definitely agree with you on the WR. They gave him no help at all, but he still thows the same as when he walked on to campus. He better fix that.
He's better than
The alternative. Ash loses that game. If McCoy keeps winning he should keep his job. He’ll work on mechanics this off season, can’t fix them now. The McCoys are Biwinning qbs
“Just keep winning. Just keep winning. Just keep winninng winning winning.”
Dorrie McCoy, finding Nemo
by Mclovin1035 on Nov 25, 2011 1:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't think you can say for sure
That Ash loses this game. He also probably doesn’t start the game with five three-and-outs… Offense was pretty anemic until the last drive.
you're right
Not 5 three and outs probably an int or a lost fumble and 3 or 4 three and outs. I don’t get it at all, Ash has shown 0 ability to win @ qb the past few weeks, and his #s and record rival gilberts. The fact is McCoy is 3-1 as a starter his 1 loss vs OU which neither played well in. Ash is 2-3 as a starter his 2 wins were against the 2 worse teams in the Big XII. And ash has thrown 0 tds and 6ints as a starter. And his offense scored 16 points in 8 quarters under him of which he was a part of 6 points in the games, McCoy was a part of 10points the same 8 quarters.
by Mclovin1035 on Nov 25, 2011 2:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
And Ash is a year younger, has started against more difficult teams than Case, and has played more games without our freshman weapons than Case has. Not the fairest of comparisons, but call it as you see fit.
+1
Grateful to Case, and I don’t know Ash is amazing, but Case had Shipley and Brown back, as well as great field posiiton, and ons of help from his D. ash has been playing with no running game, no Shipley, and long fields.
In two seasona Case has proven he can’t/won’t change his style of play. He looks to scramble, but the problem is he doesn’t have the arm to rely on when scamling. On Thursday his last scramle worked, but what about the sacks he ran into at Mizzou and Kansas State? Surely those hurtbus as well In short, can Case adapt his style enough to get some mechanics so he isn’t limited to under 10 yard gains against a crappy secondarynlike A&M?
As per Ash, he is a freshaman that mised Shipley for most of the season and his running game when he needed it most.
Disagree a bit.
Mechanics can be worked on at all times. Shoot, Mack has been saying all year that at practices they are working on fundamentals. He’s in year 2 and there has been no change. I’m not saying he shouldn’t play, but that he should step up to the plate.
I hate to make comparisons, but Colt had to do the same thing. He was small his first year and got banged up a bit. So he hit the weight room and worked on throwing mechanics.
I disagree that he can’t work on mechanics now. He BETTER be working on his mechanics throughout every practice.
Agreed it wasn't a 90-yeard drive, but
the 2 rushing plays for no yards are misleading. The job there was to take time off the clock, get the ball centered in the middle of the field, and most of all not fumble trying to make extra yardage. By the way, where was Bergeron last night?
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
"Top 10 wins"
… didn’t we just beat an unranked 6-6 team without their #1 and #2 RB’s?
Without context, you have a point
Look at this win from a historic, global perspective and this win means a LOT more than meets the eye. This win wasn’t about upsetting a top 5 team. It’s about crushing the hopes and dreams of the petulant child that runs off crying to mommy that his big brother “isn’t playing fair”. All they do is bitch about Texas being the big bad bully, so they run off to the SEC (to continually get their asses handed to them). This is about saying a big FUCK YOU on the way out.
What a delusional claim.
To claim this was a " top 10 wins in Texas history" is laughable. Do yourself a favor and research Longhorn football from 1961 – 1970. Something tells me your scope is rather limited.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
Actually watched a few of those ...
Didn’t say it was the best in history. It’s the final game of the A&M rivalry … the final SWC Championship was big. The first Big 12 was big. Why don’t you name the top 10 then? Do yourself a favor and know who you are talking to before making a statement like that.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
I watched the Great Shootout on TV ... and that's my #1.
1964 Cotton Bowl win vs. Navy is on there … as is the 1970 Cotton Bowl Victory over Notre Dame. All 4 National Championships have come in the last 50 years (one came after losing our final game). IMO, only one other win over A&M may be on the the list … the 16-6 victory at Kyle to clinch the last SWC championship.
This win may not be in the top 10, but if not, i think it’s close.
No need for the condescending commentary. I told my kids last night who watched the game with with me (the oldest is a Jr. at UT) that this is the reason why you are a fan over the long haul …. for games like these. In the Mack Brown era, besides the two Rose Bowl wins (one of which was a MNC, of course) and the 2009 Big 12 Champ, it’s hard to think of a win bigger than last night’s. Between DKR and Mack was pretty much a wasteland, with the exception of the last SWC and first Big 12 Championships.
So, you can see how this win can be pretty close to the Top 10 … It’s the last game (foreseeably) of the A&M rivalry … in the middle of conference realignment, and a massive tug-of-war where A&M was seeking to assert a new ascension … in the middle of a disappointing season for both teams … at a crossroads where our football team is trying to move forward with a new staff … when there are questions starting to be raised about Mack’s future, esp. if we lose … where we are wondering if we have a QB … and the game comes down to a comeback and walkoff FG … putting an exclamation point on Longhorn dominance of this rivalry.
I think we’ll be talking about this one for a long time, and it’s hardly delusional to think that this win is one for the ages … Hard to think of 10 better.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
What I meant was that he is playing a year before they envisioned him to carry such a load ...
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
Remains to be seen
With a full clock and Aggies back on their heels he didn’t get the play called or the timeout, then the penalty he got rattled and that put the Aggies back in the game and left our defense in a horrible position. IMHO that nearly cost us the game. Our offense was God awful our entire defense was a thing of beauty.
Congratulation to Coach Diaz and his players. While I didn’t like our losses this year beating the Aggies became my only wish for this team.
I know I should’t pray for a win but, God help me I did, and they did. Great Thanksgiving.
by eirehorn on Nov 25, 2011 9:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree that the offense was unwatchable pretty much the whole night ...
but moments like that create (or come from) magic. And we know where he comes from. No need to argue about it. It’s all good. Will come out in the wash, one way or the other … like last night.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Colt v. Case
I didn’t check but I thought they said last night that Case’s record via the Aggies was better than Colt’s, ie 1 win?
by eirehorn on Nov 25, 2011 10:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
"Unwatchable offense"
How many times did we run Brown up the middle on first down? (usually for 3 yards or less) Is he still injured?
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
if "it"
means the arm of a little girl, the pocket presense of a 4th grader, and the skillset of the 3rd string QB in the lingerie football league… then yea, he certainly has “it”.
One thing is for sure, if Case is our QB next season then get ready for another 8-5 season.
Bottom line, defense and special teams won this game. McCoy is a joke and should be playing at a school like SFA
beating a 6-6 Aggie on the leg
of Justin Tucker?
Our defense and special teams led our team to a win over aggy last night. McCoy complete a total of 3 passes for 13 yards in all of the our scoring drives combined.
The defense
didn’t lead the offense down the field and set up the game winning FG.
Listen, I’m not saying our D or special teams didn’t do well, but the man under center in one of the most ridiculous venues took the team down for the FG.
Ldawg?
Is that you? Ash is a bigger joke, his record and #s rival GG. McCoy has yet to thrown an int. One thing is for sure if we start brewer,overstreet or ash @ qb next year our record is 7-6 at best. McCoy will develop this offseason just watch
by Mclovin1035 on Nov 25, 2011 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
An historic win
in the game of the century for Texas and Texas A＆M. Maybe Beergut is right that Sherman should call it quits.
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Nov 25, 2011 4:33 AM CST reply actions
Great Win
But if case is our long term qb, we are in trouble but for now it is good enough.
by jtdoes on Nov 25, 2011 4:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Did not Alabama win the championship with defense, running, and a game manager qb?
Both Alabama and LSU are doing well this year without great qb play. With this defense and the running game that we are developing, we could have an excellent season with a qb that is merely able to keep the defenses honest and manages the game (read avoids turnovers and executes the game plan.)
I don’t like the idea of starting a true freshman qb next year. The better hope is that McCoy and/or Ash develop some this summer.
Let's tone down
the McElroy/Case game manager comparisons. As listed above, a good game manager doesn’t take a 5 yard delay of game penalty in an important moment.
Besides, McElroy was VERY underrated at Bama. He could throw very well and does many things Case can’t, nor will ever do. Also, McElroy is on an NFL roster, something Case will never sniff.
?
Lots of crap talk for Case as a sophomore. Man, do I remember the same talk about Colt – too skinny, no arm, not tough enough, he will never be an NFL QB…………….
I do no something about the McCoy boys – they know how to win!
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agree with you
The McCoys are special. People should stop knocking case. He just beat aggy something his bro failed to do till his 3rd year starting. And Colt had more weapons and starts under his belt years 1 and 2. Year 1 he had one of the best offensive lines under mb and charles, sweed, finley etc. Year 2 more the same a crappier oline.ash<case
by Mclovin1035 on Nov 25, 2011 2:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
In fairness, Colt's freshman attempt was kind of hamstrung by the KSU concussion and Heard's trashy hit
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 25, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah Colt never should have played in the '06 aTm game
Couldn’t throw the ball more than 15 yards
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
In that respect then they are very similar.
by BeeCaveHornFan on Nov 26, 2011 7:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Overkill, don't you think?
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 26, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
The Colt v Case
debate is TIRED. Let it go. They are two completely different QBs. You are gonna sit there and tell me that Greg McElroy and Case McCoy are comparable? Come on man.
Only if you hang out with 4th graders.
“Man, do I remember the same talk about Colt – too skinny, no arm, not tough enough” – you never heard such from someone that knows the game of football.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
Hahahaha
Where have you been lately? Everyone including people on this blog (yes at one point in time I was curious enough to go back and read past posts and see how people viewed Colt in the beginning of his time here) guess what? The most common adjectives used to describe Colt was too skinny, can’t throw the ball far enough, not tough enough etc. And everyone thought Snead or the incoming qb(can’t remember his name now) was going to take his job. Now not to say that Case = Colt because of course they are different but Colt ended up winning that battle en route to becoming the winningest qb in college football history. One should hope that Case can become a guy like Colt although contrary to what most people think quarterbacks like those of Colt and Vince caliber do not grow on trees.
"Deion never played quarterback in the National Football League, so his comments are based off the other side of the ball. If you play my position and criticism can really affect you and hurt you and make you play differently, then you’re only gonna be around for so long anyway. The whole objective is to keep getting better. Keep finding ways to improve, and if your talented enough and good enough, you will lead your team to the Super Bowl. That will happen around here, it will."
by willyoubemycharizard on Nov 25, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
Also I was on tumblr and this popped up.
In the wedding song that Jordan Shipley wrote he even said that everyone was talking how Colt was “too short, too slow, and way to small.” If they even knew it I’m pretty sure it was said. Although I’m sure by that time it became a running joke with his teammates those phrases were definitely said over and over.
"Deion never played quarterback in the National Football League, so his comments are based off the other side of the ball. If you play my position and criticism can really affect you and hurt you and make you play differently, then you’re only gonna be around for so long anyway. The whole objective is to keep getting better. Keep finding ways to improve, and if your talented enough and good enough, you will lead your team to the Super Bowl. That will happen around here, it will."
by willyoubemycharizard on Nov 25, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
I vowed never to root for UT,
but I must say that McCoy’s gutty 4th quarter play had me hoping for, omg, a UT win. Sherman’s post-game confirmed that A&M is not deserving of continuing in this conference – he may have upgraded talent in Kyle Field but he is a classless puke. Really a great win.
I’m a bit melancholy though. Losing rivalry games like this is bad for CFB. I’ve lost OU/Nebraska and though they will match-up here and there, that rivalry will never be re-kindled. I hope UT/Aggie is not gone forever and I think we’ll see it again.
Here’s an early toast to the Longhorns rolling into Dallas next October without a loss, and to the beautiful beat down to follow as the Sooners head toward their next championship.
by OUHoopitup on Nov 25, 2011 5:44 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
You had us going there for a sec
Let’s agree we’re both glad a nagging splinter has finally moved on. As for the Aggie rivalry, meh. All of our focus, at least fans, is square on your bullseye. So here’s to us crap stomping you at the Cotton Bowl next time we meet.
BTW, it’s Home of the Brave.
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great win
what a great win.the defense was outstanding.justin tucker must have been saving his leg for the perfect time.harsin`s play calling had me screaming at the tv most of the night but a beautiful win is all that matters.HOOK`EM
Besides his run call
on 3rd and 14, he called an absolutely brilliant game. It came down to execution. In the first half, our Oline couldn’t block anybody and our WR weren’t catching the dang ball.
You can’t fault the play calling when the players aren’t executing.
When it comes down to it, Harsin called some trick plays (like we all wanted), he called some down field throws (like we all wanted). Great play calling.
the fact
that the best ball of the night was thrown by Shipley speaks volumes about the play calling. If Harsin does not call that we lose. I have to tip my hat to barking carnival, I believe they mentioned that earlier this week.
Exactly.
Can’t agree more. When you have 2 running backs (one still hurt and one with no significant snaps) and a QB best suited for after a play breaks down rather than to run the daddgum play, it’s very tough.
I just look at Harsin with sheer amazement.
THAT WAS BETTER THAN WINNING A NATIONAL CHMAPIONSHIP!
Just sayin’.
See ya later, alligator and sheep-mater.
Understand the sentiment
But not better. However, it was a great win for the program given the UT vilification the last two years. I was snickering after the game, glowing in the victory, about Mark May’s halftime rant. You’d think a guy like that would learn a lesson about UT mystique. Good for the Horns.
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What was Mark May wrong about?
Based on the first half, I don’t have a problem with Mark May’s analysis. Our offensive line needed to take over (and they did) and we shouldn’t have had that much trouble scoring as we’ve had this year.
Agreed
I agreed with Mark May’s analysis. That doesn’t mean I don’t love my horns. I even hope his Jerry’s World analysis/prophecy.
by Matagordahorn on Nov 25, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
This defense will be the talk of the nation next year. If we get our offense together, nobody will beat us. If Case Mccoy will figure out how to get his mechanics right, he will be our qb for the next two years. I am astounded at how far portions of this team have come in a year, but I am proud of how everyone fought for this win. We are a mean fight for every inch type team and I love it.
by horninraidercountry on Nov 25, 2011 7:37 AM CST reply actions
I agree ...
The win is great, but the the way we are playing … and hitting … and keep coming … is a lot of fun to pull for. Aggies were spooked last night and Tannehill was trying to figure out a way to get that swivel on his head to go 360.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
In hindsight....McCoy should have been the starter all along,
for anything else, his game management skills that Ash has yet to develop. We said all along with this defense and running game that we just need a QB to game manage and not throw INT’s……well, that’s Case McCoy.
I get that the coaches wanted to see if Ash could be the guy (his practice efforts seemed to show that), but clearly Ash is not ready. I just hope we haven’t scarred him permanently. Unless Brewer (or some unknonwn JUCO) walks in and lights the world on fire, the pecking order going into next year starts with Case McCoy at QB.
I don't think you can really judge it just on # of interceptions
I felt like Mccoy had 3 or 4 passes last night that could have easily been picked but we got lucky or our receivers made a play
I may be mis-remembering, but didn’t one of his passes hit the aggie defender in the face?
Right now, definitly all props to Mccoy, but Ash still has potential and a future here
McCoy also had our "receiving corps" drop about, what, 5-6 passes ...
His stat line actually would have been pretty good if our receivers were better. We have got to get better here, but … wait, we won? I am still glowing. We will get it fixed, i do believe. And J. Shipley is going to be great. If we can reel that DGB guy in here from MO, all will be well. McCoy may get beat out by some one, but it will be tough, i predict.
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
Dropped passes
Kill QB confidence and are often forgotten by fans when they read the stat line. Let McCoy “lose” the job. As long as he gets the W, he should start.
by Matagordahorn on Nov 25, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah our receivers are so bad
Outside of Shipley. How can no one catch a ball? It’s so hard to watch because the plays are there and then we drop the ball on 3rd down and punt. So many 3 and outs that would never have been had there not been drops
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by TxHorns247 on Nov 25, 2011 10:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I've been giving a lot of grief
to the WR, but I keep looking at the plays and the balls that were thrown were ducks and not at the ideal place to catch.
It’s obvious that they should be catching the ball, but McCoy don’t make it easy.
Ship catches 'em all
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 9:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ship catches 'em all, though.
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 9:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's at least easier than when Ash throws the ball either OOB or behind the receiver
On the other hand, it’s unfortunate that the QB dialogue is dominated by pointing out what the other QB does badly, rather than what the one we prefer does well.
“Well, at least (Ash/McCoy) doesn’t (insert point of frustration) like (McCoy/Ash) does.”
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 26, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
This
As much room as McCoy has to improve, he would have had a decent game yesterday if his receivers could catch a damn football. If we had ended up losing I would have been blaming Davis, not Case.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
While I am still disappointed the rivalry is over...
I can’t help but agree that A&M has been decidedly classless in defeat. I know we’ve praised the defense a lot but a special recognition should go to Machete who locked down Swopes all night. You didn’t hear his name called a lot and he had the beautiful pick.
Someone tweeted after the game that the personal foul was BS…well so were the calls on Keenan Robinson. How about all of the taunting A&M was doing and not getting called for? It was summed up however by the one comment that “perhaps in this game more than any other in the rivalry. Texas just simply wanted it more.”
We did.
by DreadedOne on Nov 25, 2011 7:55 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
tight calls
There was a lot of mouthing off. I think the refs were trying to keep it under control. They called the phantom horse collar tackle against UT. Late call against A&M was 100% right. In real time it looked like a bad call, but on replay, the defender switched directions AFTER the ball passed the receiver and then did a helmet to helmet hit.
Glad the Longhorns pulled this one off.
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Back at you. Appreciate the love. Some one said last night that only Texas A&M could unite the Big 12 the way they did. That’s both funny and true.
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Now that that's finished, let's get some things straight once and for all, Ags.
It’s “The University of Texas.” In that order. Capitalized. You should know how to spell the name of the team that owns you.
Your teams have pride but they have no class. Even when we have an inferior team, win or lose, we demonstrate class. In the stands and on the field. That difference was reflected in the bands’ performances last night. The Horns said “Thanks.” The Aggies sawed ’em off.
While we’re at it, have you seen Bevo? If any of your big-talking fans had the guts to do what their towels said they wanted to, he was welcome to walk right up and try. But that boast, like all your others, was empty.
The horns have never been sawed off and they never will be. The horns are always up, never down. From now on, you’ll have to think of something else to do with your hands. I’m sure your male cheerleaders have some suggestions.
And finally, the hard truth: You will always be little brother. We are the University OF Texas. You are the agricultural offshoot. That inferiority complex? It will never go away. Because your are inferior. If you won every game for the next four decades, only then would the series be even. But those games won’t be played, and for that you have only yourself to blame. So from now on, when anyone looks at the records of this storied rivarly, they’ll think, “This was a rivalry? Doesn’t seem close.” And it wasn’t.
Because Texas always wins in the end.
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by windycityhorn on Nov 25, 2011 8:23 AM CST reply actions 12 recs
Well said!
Except it’s
THE University OF Texas
Hook ’em!
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by Michael Bean on Nov 26, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
who else thinks it was poetic justice that it was Case MCCOY who toughed it out?
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by horns1025 on Nov 25, 2011 8:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
+1
This victory was dedicated to Heard … #91.
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+6
"Deion never played quarterback in the National Football League, so his comments are based off the other side of the ball. If you play my position and criticism can really affect you and hurt you and make you play differently, then you’re only gonna be around for so long anyway. The whole objective is to keep getting better. Keep finding ways to improve, and if your talented enough and good enough, you will lead your team to the Super Bowl. That will happen around here, it will."
by willyoubemycharizard on Nov 25, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
classic
It was classic that they had been blowing leads, but come back when their O-line for the 1st time in the game gives their QB time and then our offense, that had been contained most of the day, wins it for us on a big run by our non-running QB.
Awesome Awesome Awesome!!
Haven’t been that excited since VY’s 2006 Rose Bowl moment. The offense is just flat out hard to watch but the defense is nasty. If we can get even halfway competent QB play next year we are going to at least compete for the BigXII Championship. IMO Case should be the guy going forward, Ash just isn’t ready and a redshirt year would have been appropriate for him. Maybe we don’t lose Wood in that scenario. With our defense, not turning over the ball is almost success on the offensive side of the ball. Going forward we need at least decent QB play and we need to try at all cost to keep Diaz here as long as possible. I would imagine a raise may be coming at season’s end.
Diaz > Muschamp??
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Yes, he is >.
Love Diaz, and our defense. They are a blast to watch … was really nice to hear Jessie Palmer saying that the best 3 defenses in the country are LSU, Alabama, and Texas. I think it’s also probably true.
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
maybe under-estimating it
think of how little help our defense gets. Our offense gives them very little and our punting game is a negative
I was trying not to be too reactionary but Diaz > Muschamp
Although I didn’t think it could be possible, our offense may be worse this year than it was last year. Our defense started strong last year but the seemed to be disheartened when the offense gave them nothing to work with. This year’s defensive unit appears to get stronger when it realizes that the offense will give them nothing. Have to attribute some of that to Diaz.
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by PineypointG on Nov 25, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
last yr
They gave up far too many big plays and were not great vs the run. There has been a huge improvement. Some of that credit needs to be given to Bo Davis. Remember how bad the DT situation was deemed to be in Aug. With calves at the corners, it has been a tremendous coaching job.
True
The entire defensive coaching staff has been awesome. Virtually every positions has outperformed expectations. The defensive line is just plain nasty. The LBs started the season a little slow but they have been awesome in the latter half of the season. Who would have ever thought that CB would be a strength for us? We are starting a true freshman (that basically recruited himself to Texas) and a true sophomore. Kudos all around for the defensive coaches.
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by PineypointG on Nov 25, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
The great progress of the DTs has been the gasoline
That has really ignited this defense in the last few weeks. Everyone has improved at all positions, but the DTs, which were once seen as such a weakness, are now imposing their will on opponents – with depth!
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by beast in bama on Nov 25, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
With all due respect, Boom broughgt n intensity and a scheme that Manny has carried on, not invemted.
I like Manny, but when his D is playing in a Fiesta and a National Championship then it’s a conversation to be had. Will also got us a lot of recruits, and let’s just give credit where credit is due.
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I see the McCoy arguments starting to pop up. Can we just avoid it for a day. He had a nice run and that was basically all the offense did. We can credit the offense with basically 3-7 pts. This win was about the defense and the special teams. Lets focus our praise there. Those kids did a hell of a job and deserve our praise. Players of the game were 2 kids that cant even go to 6th street (though I am guessing they get a pass this weekend). Byndom and Diggs played there asses off. Hookem
our young secondary excites me
They’re this good and only sophmores and freshman. Also gotta give tons of credit to Bo Davis remember our Dline last year this time?
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by horns1025 on Nov 25, 2011 9:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sigh
I see the McCoy arguments starting to pop up. Can we just avoid it for a day. He had a nice run and that was basically all the offense did.
Cant win for losing leading a team to one of the most important victories in school history
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by run Bevo run on Nov 25, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
He made one good play
which was reading the defense and recognizing the GIGANTIC HOLE in the middle of the field and rightfully took off. Give him credit for that play. Nothing more, nothing less. All this other “he led the team!” junk is typical sensationalism you’d expect from fans after just watching the game. Don’t forget about the extremely helpful and questionable personal foul penalty that gift-wrapped us a first down.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 25, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
Your response is why I could do without 97% of Longhorn fans
I really hope you come to a point in your Longhorn watching life where you sit back and understand the game of football. But you won’t, so I’ll just move on.
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by run Bevo run on Nov 25, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Dropped Passes
Kill personal confidence, play calling, and momentum. We had way too many drops.
by Matagordahorn on Nov 25, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
I guarantee you
If ash is qb the whole game we lose. I don’t get why Case gets no respect. He did what he has to do to win. If ash plays he throws a couple int perhaps loses a fumble or two and we lose.
by Mclovin1035 on Nov 25, 2011 12:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm
Hard to say that. It’s not like Case lit up the scoreboard. The offense didn’t do anything for three quarters and the one scoring play we had was set up by a turnover and Case didn’t even throw the TD. We had to do the trick play because the standard offense wasn’t going to get it in.
No telling what would have happened if Ash was the QB, so no need to throw him under the bus. Case managed the game fine, didn’t get any help from the line, RBs, or WRs most of all, and most importantly held onto the football.
How can you guarantee
something that is hypothetical? Come on man, you don’t know that for sure. People are giving Case respect, and he deserves it. But the game is OVER. It’s time to look at what can be improved, and with Case there is a long list.
Unrealistic standard
VY is the only Texas QB to have led Texas to the BCS or national championship in my lifetime. If that’s your standard for a QB, it’s completely unrealistic.
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 25, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Trash Ash all you want to elevate Case
doesn’t change that neither QB is the answer to win us a national championship, which is what all UT fans should be looking for. Case McCoy starting at QB places an extremely low ceiling on the offense’s potential. Great, we can beat an unranked 6-6 team on the road with a really bad defense mainly thanks to our defense.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 25, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Just ignore McLovin
This is all he/she does. He/she brings nothing else to the discussion other than Ash sux/McCoy is best. At that point, he/she is nothing but a troll. Having a viewpoint is one thing, having only one viewpoint shouldn’t be everything.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Really going there?
I somehow doubt you would’ve returned the favor were the shoe on the other foot. McCoy had by far the dirtiest uniform of any Longhorn last night, linemen included, and he pulled together a gutsy drive when it counted most. You can point to any one play and say that was the critical moment, but it’s undeniable that a couple of those plays were ones made by McCoy. No one’s saying UT’s QB problems are over, but to say that this game says nothing about the state of the position is ridiculous.
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 25, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Diaz
I hope to god he doesn’t run off to the first head coaching job he recieves. Love the passion he brings!
best hire
Guy is just awesome. I hope Davis and Diaz stay around for a long time
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by Burrito Electrico on Nov 25, 2011 9:34 AM CST reply actions
In a Case jersey to boot. That is one for the ages.
And love the disgusted looks on the three emo Bieber Slorths. Priceless.
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 25, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Hahahaha!
That’s classic. Was anyone at the game? I’d like to hear comments about the atmosphere. To me, it seemed like the Aggie crowd was not as intimidating as they usually are. Maybe I’ve just gotten used to it by now, or maybe it just seemed a little quiet on TV. Or, maybe blowing double digit leads in 5 different games disheartens the home fans a little bit.
BEVO IS ANGRY!
at the game
it was loud, but I was treated with respect. I can not complain about any Aggie fans. We thad a few Texas Fight chants going, but were drowned out pretty quickly. Great atmosphere last night
I was at the game
It was loud. It was great during the 3rd quarter you could tell that every aggie in the stadium was thinking, “Not this shit again”
A couple of choice quotes I heard around me:
After every tackle a Longhorn made some chick would yell, “Face mask, that was a face mask”
The first time we lined up Cody in the wildcat a guy behind me got pissed, “Wildcat on third down, whats wrong with you. Line up and play football and throw the ball.” Yeah, got a nice chuckle out of that one.
by Longhorn Prime on Nov 25, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
yes
after 50% of Tannehill’s wayward passes I heard shouts of “PI”. That did make things more enjoyable.
Was at the game
This was my ninth straight trip to College Station for the Texas / A&M game.
I have to give them credit — the atmosphere, especially for a night game, is incredible. It is very loud and their fans stay into it the entire game. I sat high up in the Zone and their fans were yelling along with the students, even though we were like 200 ft in the air.
There were a couple of comments on the walk out of the stadium but it was mostly quiet. They were stunned, depressed, and wanted to get the hell out of there, just me and my crew.
For a final trip to College Station, it couldn’t have been any better. I saw Ricky in ‘95; I was there for the bonfire game; and I saw VY and Colt do their things. But this was the BEST ever, and it wasn’t close.
Get the fuck out.
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Finally came home and saw this game on my DVR
And yes, except for that last drive, the Texas D was SMOKIN’ them. Awesome, awesome game. Totally made my year (until next year, of course).
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
There's such a sweet smorgasbord of tears on texags today
that I feel like Augustus Gloop in Wonka Land over there.
We got SCOREBOARD 27-25!
by spinmonkey on Nov 25, 2011 9:47 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
beergut and miketag gotta be sick
Especially after they spent all offseason telling us every chance they got that A&M would kick our asses at Kyle Field aka Bat Shit Field
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by horns1025 on Nov 25, 2011 10:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, you mean Kyle Field AKA "DKR East"?
No, we pretty much own them over there, too.
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lol wouldnt go THAT far
That stadium is undeserving of having Darrell Royal’s name attached to it. Its too small and sad….
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by horns1025 on Nov 25, 2011 10:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think our final Kyle Field record is now 25-22-1.
And no, that’s not a typo. We have a winning record on the hallowed grounds of Kyle Field.
BEVO IS ANGRY!
Ooops
Thank you. I agree completely, but instead of “Whoop! (Whoops?)” It should be Oops ala that great male Aggie cheerleader, our seceeding from the US/Big 12 Governor Perry.
by eirehorn on Nov 25, 2011 9:49 AM CST via mobile reply actions
The ags have reached an all-time low:
they are threatening to harm the ref that made that PF call. They are trying to get his address. I hope the ags aren’t serious.
We got SCOREBOARD 27-25!
Where are you seeing this?
I would like the source so I can stick it in my Aggie family’s face. They always rant about honor and integrity, but I remember Coryatt on McPherson vs. TCU in ’91, Heard on Colt in ’96, and the Nebraska guy who got racked in the pile last year.
The Big 12 invitation is not an affirmation of TCU. To the contrary, it is TCU's affirmation of the Big 12. TCU does not need validation from the likes of Baylor, which has done absolutely nothing with its AQ affiliation except live off the success of OU and UT.
It was likely deleted
TexAgs tends to do that. A LOT. I saw the thread last night, but can’t find it today. Although, if you need any proof of how classless Aggie fans can be, just go to TexAgs.com and you’ll get all the validation you need.
Thanks
I tried reading some of the posts but the takes are so pathetic it isn’t worth the wasted time you’ll never get back. Nobody needs to prove to me how classless Aggie fans are. UT band last night – classy. Did A&M reciprocate? Of course not? They never thought to. Bonfire tragedy – UT classy beyond belief, yet I still remember watching an Aggie being interviewed the morning after and all she could boo hoo about was “beating tu” instead of mourning the dead.
The Big 12 invitation is not an affirmation of TCU. To the contrary, it is TCU's affirmation of the Big 12. TCU does not need validation from the likes of Baylor, which has done absolutely nothing with its AQ affiliation except live off the success of OU and UT.
Here you go...
http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=1981440&forum_id=5
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by spinmonkey on Nov 25, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Speechless
Wow, is all I can say. Thanks again.
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Aggie tears they are delicious
This was posted on my facebook in response to 76-37-5:
“That disparity was built off of playing high school-esque Aggie teams that were decimated from three wars. The correct response is “thank you for protecting our country regardless of how it made your football team look, Aggies.” Since scholarship regulation – when the college playing field was leveled – we’ve still beaten you more than not, and apparently we “always” will be able to say that."
I’m just savoring this misery and am so happy to be done with them.
by Longhorn Prime on Nov 25, 2011 10:32 AM CST reply actions
yes cause NOBODY from UT went to fight in the Wars
So what he’s saying here is that they needed the NCAA’s help just to get those 30+ wins?
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by horns1025 on Nov 25, 2011 10:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Tom landry had his career at UT
interrupted because he was a pilot in WWII. That’s a lousy argument.
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yea its a total cop out
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by horns1025 on Nov 25, 2011 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I assume he's referring to the years after 1973,
when the NCAA created Divisions I, II, and III. After last night, UT holds a 20-19 record over A&M from 1973-2011. So……they have not beaten us “more than not.”
BEVO IS ANGRY!
I wonder if that guy will control for the years Aggies cheated to beat us
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 25, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
You mean like the year the players got food poisoning at a College Station motel?
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Something to consider,
..about the Texas Defense. Texas is 10th in defense in the country but what other teams in the top ten have faced the tough offenses like the horns.
Total Offense in the country
Okie St, 3rd, 562 ypg
Oklahoma, 4th, 551 ypg
A&M, 6th, 512 ypg
Missouri, 11th, 483 ypg
Texas Tech, 15th, 473 ypg
and the Texas defense allows 294 ypg. The other top ten defenses haven’t seen that level competition.
don't forget the K-State game
that was one of the best defense schemes I’ve seen called and then executed.
K-State was lucky to get the win and the game next year will hopefully be as great as this year’s game.
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by Anon_the_younger on Nov 25, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
baylor
this is going to really test our defense. We will face the best player we have seen. Great passing team. This represents a completely different test for Diaz. I am not sure he can sit back like TTU, because I think RG3 is capable of completely 8-9 passes to drive for 80 yd TD drives. DL is going to have to have their best game.
get some hits on RGIII and it will effect his game.
K-State had a couple three hits on him, which I think helped us win that game.
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by Anon_the_younger on Nov 25, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Best player, other than possibly Broyles
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 25, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take RGIII
over Broyles, and I think Broyles is a heck of a player. RGIII has absolutely no help besides Wright and he gets it done.
the two Terrences are pretty solid, as are some other receivers
Broyles, on the other hand, is a career record-setting WR.
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 25, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
All sorts of good games this year in the Big XII
Glad Texas won this one and while I was nervous for a while, that last second field goal was a great way to end the game.
Once again congratulations Texas.
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by Anon_the_younger on Nov 25, 2011 11:04 AM CST reply actions
haha beergut is saying he doesnt buy the hype for our DC
Lol really? The same DC that owned you all night long? The same DC who practically destroyed Tannehill? The same DC that dominated your “super special awesome” offensive line? Really he doesn’t buy the Diaz hype?
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by horns1025 on Nov 25, 2011 11:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions
beergut is incapable of class
he can never recognize anything successful that Texas has done.
by GoHorns on Nov 25, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bet the Ags would hire Diaz in a minute.
Maybe even replace Sherman with him.
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Nothing to do with the football game
Just wanted to post this.
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Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep.
To death, bro! -Ghandi
2010 v 2011
Short of winning a national championship, if one win could ever make a season then last night we saw it. Texas won the only way a team with as many deficiencies as it has right now could win: with heart. These kids never gave up, never quit, just kept their shoes laced up, squared their shoulders and played every down like they still mattered, even when they got down 13-0 saddled by an offense that had scored 12 points over the past two games. And that’s the biggest difference between the 2010 and 2011 squads on the field.
I had been waiting for such a game this year. While this squad had a different vibe that was evident on the field and sidelines this season than last year that vibe hadn’t been reflected much on the scoreboard or in the W-L record until last night. Lose in DKR east and the possibility of a 6-7 season loomed large. Coming off a 5-7 season that would’ve been seen as little improvement. But last night we saw the tangible results of a team that had more fight in them, more belief in themselves than last year’s misbegotten assembly.
What was most revealing about the causes of last season’s meltdown was in the Randy Riggs AAS article on Wednesday night:
The Longhorns admit — now — that there were divisions in their locker room, not the least of which was a rift between the offense and defense.
“We saw last year what could happen whenever a team really divides like that,” Gideon said earlier this week
That was evident last season as we watched the games play out. In 2010 we knew we had a new QB situation stuck behind a terrible OL. We had faith and hope in “Coach Boom” that his squad would be able to carry the team much like ’Bama’s did in 2009 for an offense lacking the experience to contribute much. The defense was to be our strength, Boom’s first season coaching mostly kids he recruited was supposed to be all-world in his system they would all be familiar with. We know things didn’t work out that way.
My observations during the 2010 season were in line with the quotes now coming from coaches and members of the team, that the defense quit after the offense kept putting them in bad spots. And I laid that at the feet of Coach Boom. And I was quite unpopular on this board for doing so at the time. Yes, I became a doubter of WM sometime in the ISU/Baylor stretch because I didn’t see the effort coming from what was supposed to be one of the strongest D’s ever. Every INT, every muffed punt, every fumble that put them in a difficult spot was met with a shrug of indifference and concession of the points. Not once did they make a stand when the team needed them to.
Why they quit was speculation at the time. It could’ve been the whole Coach-in-Waiting thing, or it could’ve been a Buddy Ryan-esque “us against them” mentality of coaching defense where the offense on their own team was considered “them”. Whatever it was the supposed strength of the team became its most disappointing failure. They didn’t rise to the job of carrying the whole team on their shoulders like we knew they needed to. And I, for one, was not saddened WM’s departure to G-ville, though many believers on BON went apoplectic about it. And I warned my Gator friends that they may have gotten the short end of the stick with our loss and their gain. Given the season they’re having no doubt they’re now wondering, too.
It was also obvious that GG was the wrong guy in that spot, or at least he was coached the wrong way. We didn’t need a hero to go out and try to win games with his arm and that OL. We just needed him to not lose games, to not put that defense in bad spots time after time. But he did, and with a worst-in-nation INT to TD ratio (along with fumbles) the defense obviously came apart.
Flash forward to 2011 and with David Ash at the helm he also has been trying to be a hero and win games on his arm with a lousy OL. His INT to TD ratio is similarly terrible. We’ve needed a game manager who doesn’t put his D in a bind series after series. But under Diaz and with no CIW aspirations lurking this year’s D has remained a part of the team, not a team unto itself. Yes, they’ve had break downs after offensive mistakes, and the OU/OSU/MU games they could have responded better. Aside from the one long drive in the KSU game after a turnover when the D took a series off and the Cats sliced and diced them up for an easy TD they gave a stellar performance following offensive mistakes. But they’ve remained a team without the body language saying otherwise on the sidelines. And that’s the difference that’s apparent to this observer.
While we never heard finger pointing coming out of them last year their body language and performance and what they DIDN’T say last season gave me suspicions of what they now admit happened in their locker room. Mack’s shrugs of “I don’t know what’s wrong with the team” and getting mad at them now makes much more sense. What can a head coach do or say in that situation that won’t further inflame the divisions other than pray for the season to end and get about fixing it away from the spotlight?
While McCoy may not be the QB of the future, at least he knows his role and doesn’t put his defense in a bad position series after series. Maybe they can coach Ash, who has better skills to do the same, though their efforts with GG proved fruitless. The recipe for success until Searles can build an OL worthy of starting for Texas is game-managing, mistake-free QB play and stout defense. The team seems to rally to Case – including the defense as we saw last night – because he doesn’t make their already hard life’s harder. And that to me is worth losing an extra 15 yard on passing distance or 10 mph in velocity.
And huge props to Diaz for focusing on keeping the concept of team on his side of the ball even when the other side fails to hold up their end repeatedly. MB, you made a great hire there. Fears of 6-7 are behind us. 8-5 or 9-4 is honestly possible now if the QB position is able to avoid those turnovers, and for now the QB most able to do that is Case closed!
is amazing
The biggest game of the yr and down early the defense had every excuse to get down on their chances. Instead you see defense/special teams responsible for 17 3Q pts. Just amazing performance. That would not have happened last yr
Errr - 18 points Last Two Games
I dunno what I was thinking about how many points, oops!
Good post
There is an obvious difference in the attitude and “fight” of this year’s squad. Coming off of some deflating losses, one could have expected a drop off in determination – instead, the players continued to push until the final second of the game and that is most often the difference between winning and losing. Great spirit, exciting coaches, young team… can’t wait until next week, let alone next season. Hook ’em.
As long as Diaz
Is here and keeps the d up and we got brown,bergeron and gray. Case should be our qb. He has intangibles and just needs to manage the game, something he did well today and is improving on. Our wrs aside from shipley dropped a ton of passes early, that had us playing from behind. The difference is, ash wouldve made a mistake, Case didn’t. If we started case since OU as the guy we are 7-3 maybe 8-2( Ash made so many mistake vs. Okie state).
Case can try to teach ash, but idk if ash has it mentally.
We got ourselves a new McCoy! Case and point
by Mclovin1035 on Nov 25, 2011 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
7-3 or 8-2
So we would have played one less game?
Before Aggie when he got the job back.
by Mclovin1035 on Nov 25, 2011 3:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow.
What, exactly, do you think Case has that he should/could teach Ash? I understand the love for Colt’s little brother and the McCoy family but Tucker doesn’t make that kick and I doubt anyone that watched the game comes away singing his praises. Case was downright lucky that he didn’t turn the ball over…a couple of times. You can blame his receivers if you’d like but those throws were not accurate and, in some cases, ill advised. He made plenty of mistakes, he just got away with them.
I’m not hating on Case, btw, and this may be the game that gets him going. But his passing and his running are scary and not in a good way.
Lucky
Every single Case detractor makes a point of Case’s “luck” in avoiding turnovers. Game after game after game that he gets away with ill-advised mistakes that he “gets away with”. I think we all agree that his game has flaws that are hard to ignore. But his single most important attribute at this point in our offense’s non-identity is the fact that he doesn’t turn the ball over. Call it luck if you must, but I’ll take a marginal QB with a rabbit’s foot up his ass and a horseshoe around his neck to a skilled QB who’s snakebit and crosses paths with black cats 24/7/365. At some point you’ve gotta admit that he makes his own luck and the other guys have been victims of their own misfortune.
Look
When passes, often thrown behind the receivers, are being tipped or are bouncing off of defenders then, yes, I call it “luck” when they aren’t intercepted. I just don’t look at Case’s style of play and think “here’s a quarterback who understands how to take care of the football, how to play within himself, knows where he is in the game and doesn’t take unnecessary risks.” Or “that guy’s the leader of this football team” for that matter. It’s possible he will grow to be that guy but right now, I’ll go with the “luck” thing.
But I do believe that McCoy can have success in this offense, if he works hard enough for it, and I agree that Ash doesn’t seem to have improved on his decision-making or accuracy or whatever his issue has been. And, of course, Shipley makes any quarterback look better and the offense no doubt misses a leader like Fozzy in the huddle. We were fortunate to with the game and I’ll take that all day long…
If Ball Bounced Both Ways, Then...
…I’d be more inclined to call it simple luck. But the kid’s thrown 106 passes in college and none of them have been picked off. Zero. That’s an enviable stat even for future top draft pick QB’s named “Luck”.
I’m of the belief that guys can make their own luck – or misfortune. If his throws are slightly off or wobbly MAYBE sometimes it’s because he spots a defender keying in on it just before release, whereas other QB’s deliver sharp, crisp passes where the defender can snatch them. Or MAYBE the floaters have the right touch to prevent tips that bounce 10 yards in the air where defenders can get under them.
A lot of stuff goes into luck – both good luck and bad luck. Being consistently lucky is no accident, nor is being consistently unlucky. I, like you, am not sold on Case as THE guy to lead us back to elite team status. But he’s done enough good, and very little bad to lose the whole “he’s just lucky” meme. That’s Aggie-speak to explain why they lost. He put us into position to win by making his own “luck”.
by RMHorn on Nov 25, 2011 8:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ok
You’re working the hell out of this “luck” thing. This coaching staff has done all they could to protect the team from the weakest skill position…the quarterback(s)…and they each have benefitted from it (unlike what they did with GG). I think we saw a pretty good example last night of how confident they are that Case’s “zero interceptions” stat was reflective of his ability, even against the A&M defense.
Oh, and the “Aggie-speak” comment? Not necessary…
Oh, Come On, it Wasn't That Bad
I thought the Andrew reference was clever, as was the rabbit’s foot, horseshoe/snakebit, black cat one. I chuckled as I typed it and re-read it, and surely others did too.
But I’m just tired of everyone not giving the kid credit for what he does do well. We all know what he can’t do, at least as of right now. But staying out of trouble isn’t just dumb luck, like I said, stuff goes into it beyond the actual touches of the pigskin that determines how it bounces.
But you’re right, the Aggie-speak was a low-blow (though they do make excuses for everything that doesn’t go their way). I’ll refrain from using that one against fellow Longhorns, sorry!
Watch the UCLA game. Case threw a ball directly at a UCLA corner that was tipped into the hands of a Texas receiver. Case hasn’t thrown a pick, but he should have at least thrown one.
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by pleaseplaykindle on Nov 26, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Agree
This game truly was a great TEAM win. Both sides of the ball did what they HAD TO when it was NEEDED the most,
Anyone watching the games last year could tell when the Defense(sadly) quit on the team. Thank god we are past that crap!!
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Hook em!
by LnghrnfninBR on Nov 25, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Eternal scoreboard? I am hearing intel ...
that the Ags had plans to put the scoreboard (or part of it) in a museum somewhere or something like that … Two questions: 1) Can any one confirm this; and 2) Will they go in halfsies with us on it?
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 12:15 PM CST reply actions
Why go halfsies? Just buy it - worth it!
oh hail the Purple and White
Classic ... a donation from the Big 12?
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
With Aggies
….they NEVER loose. Time just runs out.
My 2 cents about Case McCoy
I’ll admit, I’ve been on the Case bandwagon for awhile. I don’t think we’ve been doing Ash any favors by playing him so hard and putting him in high pressure situations that can wear him down mentally. I’ve definitely been worried about the coaches doing to him what they did to GG. So there’s that.
But Case showed me something last night that really validated him for me. He’s not a great college qb and i don’t think he ever will be, but he deserved last night. If he never starts for Texas again, he will be a legend for last night, and I’m so proud and happy for him
A lot of the gripes I have from our offense are playcalling issues. How many times did we call a run down the middle on 1st down? And how many times did it work? I’m just going by memory so feel free to correct me, but I just didn’t feel like Harsinwhite was giving this team their best on offense. Although give it to #11 and push is always a great call :) We never got a run game established and this put a lot of pressure on our WR to deliver, and they’re not outstanding. I’ve always felt that davis in particular has never lived up to his potential and had a couple of drops last night (again, going from memory). And really, the aTm defense was set up to take advantage of Case’s limitations, particularly since he doesn’t have the arm for the long ball. So if we couldn’t run and couldn’t pass, what can a qb do?
He does exactly what case did last night and not beat his own team. No interceptions, no fumbles. I really think that Case has about as much between the ears as any qb I’ve seen. I was certainly shaking in the 4th quarter and I wasn’t even there. He got off a few good passes to keep us moving, and then that brilliant, idiotic, crazy scramble at the end to pass it off to Tucker. And even though I was yelling at him to go down, I have to respect the passion it takes for him to fight for every inch for Tucker. With guys mobbing him and trying to strip the ball, smaller, weaker little brother got it done in a live or die moment, and history will remember not what he didn’t do but what he did. Not a bad night for a sophomore
Agree about McCoy
Totally agree Ryan. McCoy clearly showed “poise” compared to what we have seen in previous games. He might be just good enough to manage the game,especially with our running game going forward.
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Hook em!
by LnghrnfninBR on Nov 25, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Board – get off his a__ and give the kid credit for playing in a hostile environment and leading us to a victory in the final minute. I am amazed at some of the comments above on the day after a great victory. He did what was asked of him by everyone on this board – beat aTm!
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So.......
If Case was 30-40 for 400 yards passing and Texas lost, what would the comments be today?
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+1
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
who is on his ass?
Comments are basically he did just enough. Great scramble. He is our Trent Dilfer. Nothing more nothing less. I am proud of the horns and everyone. Cojo will never be mentioned, but he ran his fat ass off last night. When we need yards he hit a pile and seemed to move it an inch at a time. Pardon me if I am not fixated on QB. I am just in full man crush mode on our defense right now
by codaxx on Nov 25, 2011 2:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Any way to rewatch or download this game?
My DVR completely misfired and I missed the whole thing.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 25, 2011 1:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm sure there will be a torrent before the weekend is out.
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Our WRs
We don’t have any outstanding QBs. And here’s hoping that the Harsin-recruited Connor Brewer is that when he gets to campus in January (or Jalen Overstreet? Bring back the zone read!) And well done to Case last night on a gritty performance, and to Ash for keeping his head up — I love both of those guys on our team because they have heart.
But nobody gets on our WRs enough. Even great QBs often get help from receivers who make great catches on throws that may or may not have been perfect. We have top tier recruits at the WR position and outside of a hurt Shipley not one of them ever makes a play. Nobody dives, there are crazy alligator arms (MIKE DAVIS LAST NIGHT) and just once, even when the ball is thrown behind you, catch the ball! I think that we need help at the QB position, but we also need as much help at the WR position. Here’s hoping that Dorial Green-Beckham had a great visit and comes our way…
If they could catch?
We would have the best receivers in the country if they could catch the ball. Shipley is great. The rest just need to catch the ball better. Davis and Goodwin are lightning fast.
Somehow
Somehow the air smells a little sweeter today. The sun shines a little brighter.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Well, as a KSU guy
I just hope the debate over Ash/McCoy continues to rage into next year. Can you say 5 in a row. :)
Really, just get a game manager, and a guy who can hit the sideline out and a 12 yard post route, and with that D and B&B, you guys will be fine.
oh hail the Purple and White
5 in a row. Ouch!
Yeah, if Snyder can slowly transition to where he can make HS recruits a bigger part of his strategy, which can be hard to do there, KSU could be trouble for years to come. I love the coach, but hate that there’s a streak like that in place. Ron Prince really did a number.
My big hope is that Case takes a page from his brother’s book, and dedicates himself to packing on the pounds. Colt was about as slight as Case at the same age, but returned for his third season on campus with a much thicker neck, bigger arms, stronger legs, and some actual running/sack-fighting power. There’s no reason Case can’t do the same thing, and turn into at least a serviceable QB in the process.
He doesn’t have to be his brother; he just needs to be a starting-quality BCS QB.
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 25, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention Gray
I agree, as long as diaz keeps it up we’ll just keep getting better. I think our game manager started last night and did his job. No more, no less.
by Mclovin1035 on Nov 25, 2011 2:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There is the void
left by aggy. Actually, KSU can just chase any bluechips aggy is after. Trust me, and I may regret saying it, they’re yours for the taking.
GOMER TAPPED OUT !!! GOODBYE GOMER !!!
by HalfmileHorn on Nov 25, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Damn ...
No obtuse, bizzarre pontifications from Beergut ??
Guess he’ll be roaming the new aggy rival’s blogs from now on.
Was it power or wasn’t it?? WGAF??? SCOREBOARD!!
GOMER TAPPED OUT !!! GOODBYE GOMER !!!
So, looking ahead
Let’s say Case plays roughly the same game against Baylor: clearly not what we want from the position, but enough to keep the team in the game, if not win late. Do they go with him as the starter for the bowl game, or would the coaches actually bench him in favor of using the extra practice time to continue getting Ash caught up?
It was clear by the way the coaches handled them throughout the season that they think Ash has the higher ceiling, and if that is the case you want every opportunity you get to prepare him for next season, but benching Case after yesterday would be tough.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
Again, opinion from an outsider
A few days ago I think I said I’d go with Ash and stick with him awhile. Now, however, I think I’d go with McCoy in the bowl and next year. Redshirt the hot shot you have coming in. Get two decent years out of McCoy as a starter. Then your hotshot is starting as a redshirt sophomore. This is the rotation you need to try to get on. Now, Ash should be given every opportunity to compete and be a valued back-up. But QB controversies rarely lead to a happy, winning locker room. JMO.
The scramble by McCoy last night was the play of a winner. If he improves just a little, and your O line improves, you guys will be looking at 11-1 or 12-0 in 2 years.
oh hail the Purple and White
Agreed
Probably should start Case against Baylor and bowl game and then let Ash and Case battle it out again over the Spring and see what happens.
Gotta redshirt Brewer and hopefully Harsin will have more offensive weapons next yr to tinker with. Shipley, Brown & Bergeron as seasoned sophmores will be scary….
by jtdoes on Nov 25, 2011 4:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
whatever
Right now we pray the defense does its job and more. They basically put up 17 last night. That was the difference between KSU, Mizzou, and TAMU. There is your “it” factor. Let’s pray McCoy develops physically and Ash develops mentally between now and Sept 2012, so next year our high pt isn’t beating a .500 farming school
by codaxx on Nov 25, 2011 5:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
my apologies
That came out a little more bitter than intended
by codaxx on Nov 25, 2011 5:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
WildGray
Next yr with Gray running the wildcat will help big time. Besides shipley, our WR’s suck and hopefully our incoming freshmen are as good as they say. Another year of S&C and work with Searles will do wonders for our OL.
Without Fozzy and with B&B hobbled, our offense simply doesnt have enough playmakers to compete right now.
Still dont know we cant find a way to use monroe more than just on jet sweeps. wheel routes, screens, etc…
by jtdoes on Nov 25, 2011 3:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I am honestly befuddled with the love thrown all over Case McCoy
I’m from West Texas and I’m biased for the McCoy family, and I doggedly defended Colt during his rough 2007 season. I’d be happy if Case became the next great Texas QB. However, Case is nowhere near the athlete Colt was. I mean, it’s just not even close. He runs around like a headless chicken despite having no pressure (and thereby sometimes making the protection look bad when it isn’t), he makes ill-advised throws that he’s lucky aren’t picked off, he’s not very fast, and he’s actually not very heady, as evidenced by his horrific clock-management and his sandlot style. I always saw potential in Colt; most of the criticisms about his inability to throw deep balls were simply inaccurate. They’re not inaccurate about Case.
I’ll give him credit for having that McCoy toughness in him and fighting to the bitter end. I’m genuinely happy for the kid that he made that big play to get us in field goal position, but other than that, he was bad. Very bad. He didn’t get a lot of help from his receivers, to be fair, but to say that he grades out well in that game is just mindboggling. He will have to improve SUBSTANTIALLY in the offseason to prove he’s our starter for the future.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Put Ash or McCoy in GG’s position last season, they fail just as badly or worse. And I am unconvinced that Gilbert would do much worse than the quarterbacking we’ve seen the past three weeks. Was it the right decision to move on? Yes, we both needed a fresh start. But there’s a reason why Gilbert won the starting job in camp and we’ve seen it with our own eyes. We don’t have good quarterbacks, but at least they are young and they have a chance to improve. The problem is that Case’s ceiling seems pretty low right now, and I don’t think that’s an unfair assessment at all.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 25, 2011 4:21 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
CONNOR BREWER?
You think he’ll be the answer? At least he’s a guy that Harsin went after. Maybe Jalen Overstreet, but he probably won’t play QB?
I also think we can add that, while Manny Diaz has been fantastic, Manny has also benefitted from Muschamp doing a stellar recruiting job while our offensive recruiting has simply been lackluster over the last couple years, but for a few bright spots…we definitely put a lot of stock in a handful of offensive recruits that simply haven’t panned out and have either transferred or been flat out busts. Case might be the starter now, but he never should have been the starter — I couldn’t agree more with you that he is simply a shadow of his brother’s athletic ability.
Well said, Shadow.
I was about to post something about defensive players being easier to scout
But now that I think about it, I’m not entirely sure. I feel like unless you have an absolute home run, that there is more of an inherent risk of failure for a skill player. Defensive players still have to have good play recognition and such, but on that side of the ball you can really rely on your physical attributes to cover up the inadequacies. But it seems like on offense you can have a GG, who can just tear up in high school, but for some reason can’t adjust to the college game, and is therefore worthless.
But again, I’m no scout. I’d like to hear from one about this. I’m definitely not disputing that the recruiting has favored the defense recently, but the failure to field any offensive threats right now could also be attributed the tumultuous coaching situation, and some bad luck with certain players that seem as though they haven’t handled the jump up from high school well.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
I think you've largely nailed the SEC's philosophy
Cover up the players’ inadequate understandings of the playbook and diagnostics with straightforward physicality and athleticism. I don’t actually like that brand of football, but it’s what they do, and it does well in the echo chamber.
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by burntorangehorn on Nov 26, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
You're correct that much of the game ... the offense and the QB play was unwatchable
And I agree with you that Case needs to improve. I think he will, just as his brother did. Colt improved dramatically, especially in the run department, as he got older. When he started, a lot of us had doubts.
Here is my deal … He was our QB and leader on a night when we got a great win. I think it’s a top 10 all-time program win, given the circumstances, timing, end of the rivalry, etc. He shook off a largely forgettable game (let’s be charitable here) and he made plays — really one big play — to get us the win. Just like Justin Tucker became a legend last night for one kick on an otherwise bad night, I think Case’s play in the last couple of minutes makes him our QB going forward … absent some one taking that job from him.
My beef is that I think if people are not on the Case bandwagon, fine (I was ready to run him off the field last week and most of last night). I understand. But I think under the circumstances with what he showed, he gets a pass from the … “We need need a QB” stuff for now.
Mack told him before the last drive that this was his opportunity to take charge and make this his team. And we know how the drive worked out.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 25, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
I absolutely agree. That delay of game penalty was just horrific. We had an 8apartment point lead and momentum and our defense had done a number on the Aggies and gotten in Tannehill’s head, instead McCoy acted as if he was holding a stockholders meeting. He wasn’t even aware of the fact that the clock was running out. He didn’t call a time out.(In fairness neither did our coach) IMHOP that play nearly cost us the game. We became discombobulated and put the defense in a horrible position. If his last name wasn’t McCoy we would be all over him.
I do believe he has heart but I think the game at this level is way faster than his decision making and he has no clock in his head.
Our defense is simply the best thing about this team. Fozzy was our offense, both physically and emotionally. I credit him with our wins.
Maybe Harsin should move Shipley to quarterback because he looks like he might have the brains and the guts necessary to really run an offense.
by eirehorn on Nov 26, 2011 12:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
First time poster, long time reader
Great win for Texas, one of the more important wins in awhile! Case McCoy did just enough to get the job done obviously. He clearly “grew up” some on the field and “managed” the game enough for the win. WITHOUT the play of the defense and special teams, we lose this game plain and simple. Our defense has played stellar almost all season, but certainly the last 4 games. One huge difference in this game is the defense created int’s and the special teams came up with the huge punt return. The future is looking brighter and brighter for us! Too bad B&B weren’t 100%, or we probably control the game.
Pooooooooor aggies. Don’t have a clue what life in the SEC is like. Since I currently live in Baton Rouge, I watch a lot of SEC football and can easily see aggie losing 5 games just in the SEC West!! LSU, BAMA, ARK, AUBURN, MISS ST. They will be lucky to make a bowl game next year. Now GTFO!!!!!
Anybody missing Will Muschamp? No?? Me neither!
Hook em!
I'm curious
Anyone know why Will Russ isn’t at least punting for us? He was kicking the ball out the back of the end zone on kick offs in high school, but we haven’t put him on the field at all. It would be nice to take at least part of the kicking duties off Tucker’s hands and get some game reps for a player who that I know, hasn’t had any.
TEXAS FIGHT
He's been horrible all year in practice and warm ups
Like, I’m a better kicker than him. Kidding, but seriously. I don’t know what happened but he’s lost his leg somehow. Not literally, that would be a travesty. Just hopping around the field, making Fozzy feel bad and what not. Awful stuff really.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Hook 'em
Well Aggie, so now it’s time for you turn tail and run off to play with Louisiana and Alabama and Florida? That’s pretty weak-spined. I guess having one of the oldest rivalries in football with Texas not good enough for you? I thought y’all were true Texans for all your faults but actually you would sell out tradition for a bunch of deep South yodel contests and Wal-mart shopping before the game. You’re a damn disgrace. Good riddance to sheep-shaggers who can’t figure out what’s good in the world.
Say what you want about Case...
He sure looked like his older brother who was also thrown up against a great D line (with an underwhelming o-line of his own) and one receiver named Shipley. His jersey sold it for me.
I don’t expect to see Ash starting again unless Case makes a few huge mistakes. Whether or not he is physically as gifted as Ash, this is someone who can put his team on his back in tough situations. While a few may end in failure, it’s better than no attempt at all.
Furthermore…we don’t even NEED a QB in the traditional sense, just someone who can get us a 1st when we absolutely need it. Besides that, this TEAM believes in Case, and helping him. He brought the team together, which is far more important than the ability to throw a 50 yard bomb.
One last thing....
Imagine the wild fozz with Gray as the trigger-man next year, and the talent we have returning combined with the talent we have incoming……drools
Case
Case showed me something that we haven’t seen from our qb play since his brother was leading the Horns. Poise and leadership. Hopefully we will continue to see “it” .
Anybody missing Will Muschamp? No?? Me neither!
Hook em!
by LnghrnfninBR on Nov 25, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
you're right about that, lnghrnfninbr
too bad he can’t match those with true physical skills and talent.
At least for one game
Just have to wait and see if it is only for one game or not. I agree not the most physically talented.
To be brutally honest, I still can’t understand how we passed up on so many qb prospects from the state of Texas that are successful elsewhere. RGIII especially. I know that is how lazy our former coaching staff had become, but damn! There have been some good ones we really missed out on(too many to list). Hopefully not ever again!
Anybody missing Will Muschamp? No?? Me neither!
Hook em!
by LnghrnfninBR on Nov 25, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Actually he didn't resemble his older brother at all minus one good play where he ran the ball
by goingforthecorner on Nov 25, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It boggles my mind that people think this
Did they see a different game than I?
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Not this, that
Sorry, gfc, I was agreeing with you.
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I just can not take it
Case engineered 3 pts all game. So many people deserve credit for the win. Case made his contribution and thank god he did. If he had “it” for the other 59 minutes of the game, it would have been a blow out. If we are going to give out game balls to recognize this win. Let’s do it right and give it to this most deserving.
1. Byndom. He was a stud. Played great defense and put in a score
2. Diggs.. Kid is a beast. Huge punt return
3. Okafor.. Tannehill woke up last night and screamed. He thought Okafor was next to him in the bed
4. Vaccarro. Paging Mr. Swope. Mr Swope please come to Klye field. Pick set up a TD
5. Robinson and Acho. Mr Acho just continue to climb draft boards
6. The DL
7. Case. For scrambling. Great play.
There's an epidemic among football fans
it causes them to put all the blame on the QB when the team loses and put all the praise on the QB when the team wins.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 25, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Every game won and lost are always on the team.
This time our ENTIRE team showed up at some time to play their part.
"Deion never played quarterback in the National Football League, so his comments are based off the other side of the ball. If you play my position and criticism can really affect you and hurt you and make you play differently, then you’re only gonna be around for so long anyway. The whole objective is to keep getting better. Keep finding ways to improve, and if your talented enough and good enough, you will lead your team to the Super Bowl. That will happen around here, it will."
by willyoubemycharizard on Nov 25, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Anybody missing Will Muschamp? No?? Me neither!
Hook em!
by LnghrnfninBR on Nov 25, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Couldn’t agree more!
Anybody missing Will Muschamp? No?? Me neither!
Hook em!
by LnghrnfninBR on Nov 25, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
I agree with you. All I’m saying is that Case could have played horribly and he did enough to get the job done. We all know the defense won the game, I’m just saying the offense could have lost the game and they didn’t.
Anybody missing Will Muschamp? No?? Me neither!
Hook em!
by LnghrnfninBR on Nov 25, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Very true
I think it people fighting this QB war all year and trying to convince themselves they were right. When in fact we are still simply trying to find the guy. I hope Case becomes Colt. I am just not ready to enshrine him based on that game. Trying to say he is the reason Texas on is just discrediting a lot of deserving players. OL and MB putting one 20 yd drive together to take a 8 pt lead was huge. So many moments, but in the end I have to say thank you Diggs and Byndom for coming to Texas
#TeamWin
Here’s the thing, especially at this point in the season. Everyone needs to get on #TeamWin and abandon #TeamAsh and #TeamCase. Whoever gives Texas the best opportunity to win against Baylor and the bowl game is who should be playing. I really don’t care if Case is noodle armed and completely unorthodox with how he plays the position and I don’t care that Ash is prototypical. Right now is about winning. The QB battle can be sorted out in Spring Ball and the off season. Right now everyone needs to be on #TeamWin.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Bingo.
I’m on #TeamWhoeverGetsUsCloserToTheW . The fact of the matter is that we’ve got two QBs with issues.
The fact that we’ve got Texas fans dogging out a Texas QB is sad, whether it’s McCoy or Ash. I know some of y’all are #TeamCase and others are #TeamAsh, but both of them have frustrated the hell out of all of us many times this year. If you gotta dog the other guy, it’s because your guy ain’t exactly delivering the goods.
If you’re about to write something to dog out Case or David, check yourself. All of us — Case, David, Garrett, the coaching staff, and the fans — are all on the same side.
by Cocky Bovine on Nov 26, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
+100
Spoken like a true coach and longhorn fan!
Anybody missing Will Muschamp? No?? Me neither!
Hook em!
Bring on Baylor
Gonna be a challenge, but I like the way our TEAM beat aggie and I believe our TEAM can win the Baylor game!
Anybody missing Will Muschamp? No?? Me neither!
Hook em!
Longhorns Fans Around The World
Are celebrating about this epic win!
Nah…Nah…Nah…Nah…Yeah…Yeah…Yeah….Goodbye…aTm…. GTFO and let the door hit you on the way out.
I didn’t able to watch the game due to work. Too bad, there’s no Thanksgiving holiday in Hong Kong. But I’ve watched the ESPN highlight. It just feel so so so so so so good :)
Thanks PB for the great write-up. Our defense is a beast this year! Kudos to our new D coordinator – MD. Regarding the controversial ref call at the late of the game, to heck of them. We got toasted by the ref on both Mizzou & K-state games. Let’s say make it even.
What an awesome win! Hook’em Horns!
WRs
I wonder if the lack of QB success is really from a bad WR core. Drops, bad routs, tipped passes that land for interceptions. Lack of WRs getting open. I think a lot of blame can go to the WRs. Who is the WR coach?
by Ryan2907 on Nov 26, 2011 9:10 AM CST via mobile reply actions
concentration
I think it a lack of concentration. I am sure it frustrating being a Texas wr right now. Offense has become 75 precent blocking. When we do throw half the balls are uncatchable. So you get lulled to sleep. They need to fight through it, but that is some of the issue
by codaxx on Nov 26, 2011 10:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Posted on TexAgs - so good I had to share it
An article written by a BU fan, no less:
2011 – A year of Miscalculations and Disappointments for the Aggies..
A buddy of mine (former BU roommate, actually) sent this to me this morning. I had to share.
Let’s take a look at the realities and fantasies of the 2011 Aggie season… shall we?
Aggie Fantasy #4: They would leave the Big 12 and the Big 12 would subsequently collapse, leaving UT to either go independent or move to the Pac-12. Resulting in the shift of recruiting going away from Texas and leaving the Aggies in a better recruiting position (really, do you want to go to Texas and play on the west coast against USC and Oregon where your family would have a harder time traveling or would you prefer to come play at A&M against LSU which is closer and in the same time zone?) At best, the Big 12 would lose their AQ status falling under 10 schools in the conference.
Reality: OU stays, TCU joins, Big 12 remains intact, and now A&M has far less leverage with recruits since the UT/OU rivalry is still intact, Baylor is stronger, and a solid TCU team can now win Texas recruits.
Aggies Fantasy #3: Ranked #8 at the beginning of the year, they would go 11-1, be a part of the national championship discussion, win the Big 12, prove they deserved to go to the SEC, and be in a strong recruiting position going into the 2012 SEC season.
Reality: 11-1 talent blew leads, lost close games, and ended up a mediocre 6-6. Now the national debate around the Aggies will center around why .500 teams deserve to go to bowl games. The Aggies will join the SEC being the 6th place team in the Big12 at best, and from and SEC perspective, they would be the 9th best team based on records.
Aggie Fantasy #2: The SEC really really wanted the Aggies, and the Aggies would get to leave the Big12 with minimal cost and consequence with the full support of the SEC, pointing the finger at UT the whole way, further stirring the pot of discontent with the other schools, and creating more division in the Big 12.
Reality: the smaller schools did not give in to the SEC’s ridiculous waiver demands (It WASN’T just Baylor, Mr. Loftin), delaying TAMU’s entrance into the SEC, putting the SEC into a position where they had to re-think the risk/reward of letting TAMU join, and exposing the Aggies real reason to join the SEC – Sticking it to UT.
Aggie Fantasy #1: The Aggies would leave the Big 12 in grand fashion, giving the finger to the conference by beating UT – their entire reason for leaving, at Kyle Field. They would pour down the chants of “SEC, SEC, SEC” on the defeated Longhorns. Yell Leaders, Corps, and students jubilantly storming Kyle field, stomping and maybe even doing other things on the Big XII logo.
Reality: The Longhorns get the last laugh, ripping the hearts out of the Aggies on a last second field goal, solidifying the Aggies .500 mediocre season, placing them firmly in 6th place in the conference, and sending them off to the SEC hanging their heads. The last image that the Aggies will have of their historic exit from the Big 12 will be the ’Horns storming Kyle field in victory with thousands of Aggie faithful quiet in silent shock. Truth hurts, I cant think of a better ending to the season for them.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
by Snide Aside on Nov 26, 2011 1:27 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
End of the Aggies
If Texas A&M is on to better things, what will there record be against the SEC West? A loaded team went 6-6 in a transitional Big 12. I imagine that the SEC now has a new perrenial doormat. (Good for you Vandy.)
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