Texas Football: Longhorns Defense Tackles Nation's Best QB In Baylor's Robert Griffin III
by Peter Bean on Nov 29, 2011 2:34 AM CST
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PrintWhen it comes to superstar quarterbacks, Texas fans aren't easily impressed. After Vince Young's otherworldly 2005 season, even the most impressive quarterbacking performances can seem blasé.
That shouldn't be the case this Saturday, though. Baylor Bears quarterback Robert Griffin III is the best player in college football and is having a season utterly VY-esque in its ridiculousness. The raw numbers are just obscene: 252 for 347 passing (73%) for 3,678 yards, with 34 touchdowns against just 5 interceptions -- good for a cool 191.1 QB Rating, which for the record is a full 27 points higher than VY's national-best 163.5 QB Rating in 2005. RGIII isn't quite the outrageously brilliant rusher that Vince was, but even after a knee surgery that cost him most of 2009 he's an elusive, damn good rusher, and has racked up 794 rushing yards on 149 carries this year, including 7 TDs. He could be a 1,000 yard rusher if he wanted to.
Not in the official stat line, but also relevant: Robert Griffin III plays for Baylor. Which is both awesome and tragic. (And no, there is no rational explanation for why we didn't recruit RGIII for our 2008 class. None. He graduated early from Copperas Cove ranked No. 7 in his class, came from a great family, and was a four-star recruit ranked one of the top dual-threat QBs in the nation. Also, he is the only player to be compared to Vince Young to actually looks like him in a uniform. They're practically clones. We did not recruit him. In 2007-08. Quadruple facepalm. Obviously, I'm not over this is just yet. I may never be.)
Also not in the official stat line, but perhaps implied, is the ability to do this:
Cue Dick Vitale screaming, "Ohhh! Ohhhh!!!! Are you serious?! Are you serious, ba-by??!" Words cannot possibly describe the amazingness of that throw, which, hooray for living in a world where I don't have to try. 4th and 5 from the 36, on the road, pocket collapsing around him, about to get crushed, no room to step in to his throw... and Griffin manages to sling off his back foot one of the most beautiful deep balls I've ever seen. If there is a Platonic Ideal for football passes, that's it. If you've seen better, I'd love to see it.
Fine, fine -- that's all grand, but is he clutch?
He is clutch.
In short, for my money Robert Griffin III is the best player in college football, but as Texas fans also know well, that hardly means he's going to win the Heisman Trophy. Remarkably, though, he might -- a Baylor quarterback! -- but Heisman voters being who they are, it almost certainly depends on what happens on Saturday. Dominate a red-hot Texas defense and Griffin might just win the thing... but if he has a subpar afternoon or looks like he's struggling at all, voters will promptly forget the rest of his brilliant season. Too bad Griffin couldn't have finished his season against Fresno State.
No, in the Longhorns Robert Griffin has drawn his toughest task last -- the nation's 8th best defense in both QB Rating allowed and total defense. Manny Diaz's secondary is allowing just 5.5 yards per attempt on the year and has conceded just 11 touchdowns while making 10 interceptions, while after a slow start the Horns defense has racked up 15 sacks over its past 5 games.
In Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. Griffin has faced two Top 30 defenses in terms of QB Rating allowed, but the rest of the defenses on Baylor's schedule range from mediocre to awful. The Longhorns present Griffin with by far the toughest and most complete challenge to date.
As well as the Longhorns defense has played the last month, there's no question that Griffin and his Baylor offense are capable of winning the battle. To begin with, it should be noted that the Bears have a relatively potent running game. To be sure, a lot of that has to do with Griffin himself -- both what he adds as a rusher and the pressure he puts on the defense with his passing ability -- but the Bears aren't one-dimensional. Moreover, defending Griffin is not like defending a system QB. The Bears run a spread offense, but there's nothing gimmicky about it; Griffin is one of the most complete passing quarterbacks of the past decade -- the athleticism and ability to run it are just unfair icing on the cake. Griffin can beat you a lot of different ways, he can make every single throw on the field, he's absurdly accurate, and he throws one of the best deep balls in the country. Also, too: his top three receivers -- Kendall Wright, Terrance Williams, and Tevin Reese -- are all legitimate playmakers.
After all that, here's maybe the scariest thing of all: our defense could play well and still allow 30 points. Baylor's defense is as bad as their offense is good, so maybe -- maybe -- we could win a shootout, but if we're once more entering a game in which victory depends on our defense turning in a dominant, game-defining performance...
Yeah. I don't like our chances, either.
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Robert Griffin should win the Heisman
But he most likely won’t because the Heisman voters are a bunch of brainless buffoons, as they’ve proved over and over again.
Didn’t we recruit him as a safety? I just don’t understand why we wouldn’t at least give him a shot at QB. Mack seems to have a bad tendency to think too rigidly on stuff like this.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 29, 2011 2:38 AM CST reply actions
You mean guys he steadfastly believed would be runningbacks?
With Whaley, he didn’t offer any other RB. The fact that they’re now playing on the defensive line (and both good at it, by the way) shows how shortsighted Mack was
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 29, 2011 3:25 AM CST up reply actions
Word
It was 3 in the morning, in my defense.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 29, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Texas looked at him as an athlete
but I think there may have been some preference for him to play safety. Mack said Monday that he somehow doesn’t remember the specifics of RGIII’s recruitment, which, as he noted, is bad. That recruitment was handled by Larry Mac Duff, who did exactly nothing positive for the program. Griffin was never offered by the Longhorns.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 29, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Like you said, PB
We did not recruit him.
That decision turned Baylor into relevant, and us to 5-7 and whatever this season becomes.
’Nuff said
So, what's the strategy?
Ruah 4 with Acho as a spy, cover two and everyone left goes man to man? Or, is our secondary really so good (independnt of the rush) that we can bring heat from all angles and hope Manny guess right about Griffin’s choices on run/pass options?
How much play action does Baylor run? Dear Lord, plase let Gideon and Scott be halfway awake in coverage. Please.
I’d also give anything for a 100% Malcolm Brown…
I think Texas plays Gideon
in his usual center-field position with man underneath and just rushes four most of the time, with the defensive ends working hard to make sure that they maintain contain. Against a strong running quarterback, it’s nice to be able to play some zone at times to get more eyes on him, but that’s never really been a strength for Akina secondaries, so I think Diaz plays it pretty straight up.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 29, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Texas DEs won't be able to reliably contain RG3
RG3 is just too fast and quick. Better to go with a 3-4 and let the OLBs have contain responsibility or a 3-3-5. Either way the horns can not afford to play 2 DTs. The horns will need to get a lot of speed on the field. Unfortunately Baylor now has a big back who can punish smaller defenders.
Definitely the Texas defense needs at least one DB playing zone or it is an invitation to RG3 to run.
Surprisingly, Gideon played pretty solid vs. amuT.
But, then, amuT didn’t have near the speed on the field that 0U had, when Gideon played terrible. The whole goal vs. Baylor, as it is with any defense at any level, is for the front four to A) provide a pass rush and B) contain the running QB. A good front 4 performance will mask any slow DBs. And I think the Texas rushing defense is a given, to me. They’ll stifle Baylor.
The weather is supposed to be a bit cold, wet and windy
That may slow down the air attack of RG3 a tad, and help bolster our running game (power running>zone read outside running in poor weather conditions).
Of course this is Texas, and the forecast will probably change tomorrow to it being 80 degrees and sunny.
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When KSU played him (4th game of the season)
He had more TD passes than incompletions. The guy is amazing, and he and Wright are as good (maybe better) at hitting on the long ball as Weeden-Blackmun.
This is what KSU did: we contained him on the edges – he didn’t break for any long scampers. Our D Line clogged his passing lanes – we had about 4 tipped balls that day, including one which led to his 1st interception of the year. We did have a “spy” on him most of the day.
Should be a good contest. I think it will go down to the wire. KSU was able to run and we won time of possession about 34 min to 26. You will need to win the TOP battle decisively to beat them.
Key: give up as few long TDs (like the one in the clip) as possible. Hold them to field goals. They are not that effective once the field shortens up.
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edit: "He had more TD passes than incompletions" on the season, coming into the game.
oh hail the Purple and White
agree on needing TOP
we need to have LONG drives where we just pound the ball at their defense so that they wear out and so that we can run it at will in the 4th and keep RGIII from having any last minute heroics. im hoping their Run D has a very off day. im also praying that Bergeron is able to play so he can help out MB
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Sounds about right
Its a good test for our D. Definitely should’ve recruited him to play QB here after colt.
On the note of no long TDs. Texas is the only team in the nation who hasn’t given up a TD pass of over 20 yards. Pretty crazy stat through 11 games this season. I’m worried about him in the red zone also, but this D is pretty good
by Mclovin1035 on Nov 29, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I posted this at barkingcarnival-
Baylor only losses game where they have turnovers. RG3 has only thrown 5 picks all year, but they fumble a lot and lose their share. Texas loses if Baylor cares for the ball because Baylor’s offense against UT’s defense should be more efficient than UT’s offense vs. Baylor’s D. Vaccaro is key not because of his coverage, but because he may be used to spy RG3. Tony Jefferson didn’t play much vs. Baylor so Wort was the spy for Griffin. Griffin is way too fast for most DB’s and all LB’s. Teams that play Baylor need top performances by 4 DBs (spy for RG3 + 3 WR, quoting Bill C).
Agree with the spy but spying Griffin is complicated by his ability to break contain against many. Pressure with 4 is key. Turnovers are key.
Baylor will get 30 unless Griffin is still woozy from Tech. Very interesting game (likely better than OU-OSU).
If Baylor gets 30, I think they win
If you hold Baylor to 24, I think Longhorn wins. I think it will be a darn good game. A real chess match. Of course, this assumes RGIII is healthy.
I think UT can put up 27 against Baylor. Pound the ball and run some short wheel patterns. McCoy can hit the short passes to keep them honest. That’s all K-State did.
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Our offense will not be able to score 27 points
Our running backs are still injured – you just don’t play at 100% with turf toe and a hammy with a couple of weeks re-hab – it takes months. Our primary receiver probably has a stretched lig in his knee. Davis has gone into the tank and the other receivers still hear footsteps.
This being said, we also have bandy legged, noodle armed QB and a freshman QB with a fatal confidence problem.
No, we will score one TD and spend the rest of the day kicking field goals. Meanwhile, we have VY II throwing howitzers at us.
It’s gonna be a long day for the Horns.
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One TD?
Wow, that’s ridiculous … on Baylor’s D? Fortunately, you will be here, Snide, rather than on the sideline. I think this will be a great game. I expect Texas to play well on both sides of the ball. I think this is the O’s chance to step up. If you saw the OU goal line play vs. OU, then you can see the way forward.
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 29, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I think you are underestimating how bad the Baylor defense is
They actually matched up better against Oklahoma than against us because we have a better run game. Granted, our best runners are hurt, but I think even Jeremy Hills would have success against them.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 29, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I pray that I am wrong in my evaluation
I also understand the Baylor defense is not good. However, your are OVER ESTIMATING how good our offense is. It’s true the ags were playing out of their minds, but you can’t make a race horse out of a mule, but their defense (and their DC) stinks!
Our offense is so one dimensional and ineffective that we made the aggie defense actually look good! We did the same with KSU.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
by Snide Aside on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
*AND their defense....
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
by Snide Aside on Nov 29, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Snide, I respect your opinion
but I’ll bet 1 mill internetbucks that Longhorn scores +17 against Baylor.
oh hail the Purple and White
+1
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 29, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Well, Furnace, let's hope your right
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by Snide Aside on Nov 29, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Baylor Defense
you are looking at it wrong. A&M and KSU are #2 and #3 vs the run in the Big 12. Both are vulnerable to the pass. Brutal match-ups. Baylor is 8th in the conference vs the run. ISU is 7th and Kansas is 9th. Baylor is #102 vs the rush. Kansas #117 and TTU #120. UCLA #81. OSU #93. ISU #98
vs ISU: scored 37
vs UCLA: 49
OSU: 26
Kansas: 43
TTU: 52
so any prediction of 1 TD seems ridiculous. We are averaging 41.4 pts vs bad rush defenses and thi sis one of the worst. So 25-35 seems the most likely range
Everything you say is true
When we had healthy running backs. Now we don’t and we are going to have to rely on some semblance of a passing game, which I don’t don’t think we can produce. Baylor will just do what tAMU and KSU did – load the box and dare us to pass.
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by Snide Aside on Nov 29, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
TTU
vs TTU i could have average 3.8 yds. Huge holes there. It isnt like KSU and TAMU discovered the golden egg. People been trying to force us to throw all yr. Difference is KSU, TAMU, and Mizzu had the personnel to do it. I do not think Baylor does. They can not shut us down. Can they slow us and out-score us? Hell, yes. I expect a close game in the upper 20s.
Once again - against TTU we had HEALTHY running backs
Against KSU, Mizzou tAMU we didn’t!
In fact, against KSU and tAMU we didn’t even have Fozzy.
We are/were, arguably, one of the worst offenses in the nation – at this point.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Also, against TTU, we had a healthy Shipley
Today, I submit that none of our starters would start for most teams in the Big 12 right now.
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just a healthy bergeron
Brown was out. My pt is that even with Hills we would have been successful. I am not saying we will put up 52 pts, but I will be shocked if the OL can not push Baylor off the line of scrimmage. Not to mention I have no idea where the health of Brown and Bergeron is at this pt. The OL getting a push is far more important than who is running the ball.
Actually, we had a healthy Fozzy as well - hence my plural for running backs.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
go watch them against Tech
Their defense is atrocious. Hell I could probably run for a 100+ yards on Baylor
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by horns1025 on Nov 29, 2011 2:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, Snide, you sound pretty positive there!
I don’t detect any dread in your voice at all, going into this game.
“Meanwhile, we have VY II throwing howitzers at us.”
I can see why we wanted a guy like Gilbert at QB instead of just some "athlete" ...
Funny, but remember when Mack’s rep was Coach February? Now, we are a QB away from being a championship-caliber team. If RG3 were here and coming back next year, Texas would have a great shot to be playing for the MNC. I am feeling sick …
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 29, 2011 8:13 AM CST reply actions
If RG3 were at Texas
we wouldn’t have gone 5-7 last year but we’d still be running Greg Davis’ offense.
"a guy like Gilbert"?
Did you see Gilbert in high school? He had amazing stats, amazing film, and was the freaking national player of the year. Gilbert was a failure of development, not recruiting. If Briles could have chosen either RGIII or Gilbert, I think he would have made the same choice Texas did. It sucks that Gilbert didn’t pan out, but that doesn’t mean his recruitment was somehow stupid.
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Didn't see GG in HS, but others who saw him said that he was less than what we had heard via the presss/recruting services and such ...
Disagree that it’s a development issue. How do you explain … Applewhite, Simms, VY, Colt? 3 of the 4 made the NFL; other is a Texas legend and up-and-comer coach. Texas has developed QBs just fine.
Gilbert’s problem is his thinking. He is the son of an NFL QB and every one probably told him all his life how he was all this or all that. He seems like a great kid … but soft. No attitude or chip (a la, "I’m from a West Texas town no one heard of . … or, “Let me tell you about my upbringing in H-Town.” I think the main thing with GG is his mindset and decision-making under the gun. I do think a coaching staff can pick up on this stuff.
Mack and Co. have done great recruiting through the years. They like to pick kids who have won a lot in HS. I think that’s smart, but it has limits. I think you also want to find guys who know how to persevere through adversity … who will rise up when people say they can’t do it … who have a little chip, and something to prove … oh, yeah, like a guy who lives to play QB but people say he’s an ATH … who had two SSgt parents who kept him humble and grounded.
I think Garrett thought he had proved it already … or at least had been told that. My two cents, any way.
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 29, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree completely
Nothing about Gilbert’s behavior here tells us that he did anything less than work hard. He got dumped into a disaster of an offense that, as I will say yet again, both David Ash and Case McCoy would have failed miserably in as well. We saw signs of it in 2009, but Colt and Shipley were good enough to carry us. They were gone in 2010 and Gilbert was left with almost nothing. He got battered around and didn’t peep a word of complaint.
It was not so much that we didn’t develop him personally as we didn’t give him an offense where he had a real chance to succeed. You would be hard pressed to find any young quarterback who could have survived that offense.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 29, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Agree that Garrett had a lot of obstacles ...
Every QB who played in the GD offense did … some, more than others. But his mentality and decision-making are a matter of record now. Sure, he worked hard. He is, by all accounts, a great kid. But he is too freaking nice. I am not saying we need hoodlums here. None of our prior great QBs were. But give me the toughness of a VY, Colt, or … and RG every day.
I think you’ll see it going forward. He lacks what the great ones have. And … for all of his deficiencies with arm-strength, footwork, etc., he lacks what Case has, as well.
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 29, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Shadow ...
Tim Tebow is “nice” off the field … On the field he has something to prove. That is why, limitations and all, he is somehow still doing it.
And … I see what you said re: Case and Ash, and I agree. But are these guys the standard now? I think Case can become a very good QB in time, and probably Ash, too, but neither will likely be confused with VY or RG3 when they are done. On that, we can probably agree.
GG was hindered by a bad scheme. He may have been our best player on offense last year, too, which is really saying something. But he was supposed to be a world-beater. RG3 could make some purses out of that sow’s ear, though.
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 29, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Add & stir one more ingredient.
“Gilbert was a failure of development, not recruiting.”
That is partially true. Moreso than that, Gilbert’s failure was more a result of having atrocious talent and performance around him at every position. In many games last year, he was probably the most reliable & productive player on our offense.
I have to admit
I love the kid, both on and off the field. I wish he would win the Heisman. He truly deserves it.
Will RGIII be 100%?
A week after having his short-term memory knocked completely out of him, will Griffin be up to the task? Keenan will accept another “Rolled the QB Over And Slammed Him On His Haid Bone” personal foul in order to find out.
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BTW awesome referrence to playing Fresno State.
Of course I want us to spank Baylor but RG3 is one of those rare players players that I marvel at even as he puts my heart inmy throat.
Honestly, I am more interested in the Wright vs. Byndom/Diggs matchup
Seriously how is he not a Biletnikoff finalist?
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Wright is nails
you have hit the key matchup of the game on the head.
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If that's all it was, we'd win.
The real battle is our DLine getting to the QB. If he can’t throw, Wright won’t be catchin’ a thang.
RGIII is by far
the most dominant player on the football field this fall. I’d place Mathieu second, but a distant second. What Griffin is able to do is very impressive. He is the type of kid you applaud and respect while he beats you. I’ve never heard a negative word about him and if the Heisman voters were required to submit a vote outside of their region, perhaps the kid would win the award he so richly deserves. It’s not close this year.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
Turnovers will be the key for our defense in slowing RGIII...
hopefully the wet/cold weather anticipated for Saturday plays into our favor.
Baylor defense
Check out the adjusted stats here
They have given up over 400 yards to every team they faced but two. Spotlight on rushing yards: They give up over 5 yards per play and more than 200 yards per game, on average.
This has the look of one of those “I know I’m gonna run it, you know I’m gonna run it, so best buckle your chinstrap” games.
Kick returns, especially punts, are another place where Texas has an advantage. Of course, you have to stop ‘em to make ’em punt. If we have a lot of yardage on kickoff returns, I’m gonna go ahead and say that’s an indicator that we’re not going to win.
Last point: The all-white uniforms. They have magic powers, folks. No lie.
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The all-whites do have mystical powers,
Best uniform ever! Who wins the game between Texas all-whites and Penn St. all-whites?
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by HornsRiverine on Nov 29, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Our guys of course!
Missed the game in Austin last year, but I’m headed to Waco to watch this one. As tough as it will be, I hope RG3 is full strength bc it will be one helluva game watching our D vs Baylor. Go horns!
by scdavis50 on Nov 29, 2011 10:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
On the white-hot concrete, Texas ...
… in the snow, Penn State.
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by Distributor of the Football on Nov 29, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Based purely on aesthetics
These are my top 5:
1) Penn State away
2) Texas away
3) Alabama home
4) Michigan home
5) Notre Dame home
As you can see, my tastes run old school.
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by windycityhorn on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
To be fair about the recruitment of RGIII
He was not the same recruiting class as Gilbert.
We did recruit him, but as a safety. He was considered an ATH by all of the recruiting services and seemingly every big-time school.
He originally committed to UH and then followed Briles to Baylor. His offer list included only two big-time schools – Nebraska (who didn’t make a bowl game that year) and Tennessee. So it seems like all of the other big dogs missed on their evaluation of him as well. He was far from a sure thing.
Fair enough
And yet it does not change my feelings one bit. RGIII could have been ours. He is not ours. Therefore, I am hurt and sad.
My man crush for this kid knows no bounds. As much as I dislike Briles and as badly as I want us to win the game, I absolutely love RGIII.
76-37-5. Now GTFO.
Here's a question for ya PB....
RGIII is sitting at one end of the bar and VY is sitting at the other end and you are in the middle, who do you go hit on? But wait just as you make your decision you see Colt McCoy dancing by the jukebox and guess who he is dancing with? That’s right, Jordan Shipley. What do you do, hotshot? What do you do?
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by HornsRiverine on Nov 29, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
You take VY and a 2005 Natty
Besides, wasn’t RGIII grades an issue? This would make sense with Tennessee and Houston recruiting him
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by Snide Aside on Nov 29, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Not a grade risk at all
Could have easily gotten into Texas without being an athlete.
by Horncasting on Nov 29, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Of course, my bad for not reading.
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by Snide Aside on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
VY and it's not close
Just to be clear. As sick as RGIII’s season has been, those two Rose Bowls were, well, impossible.
76-37-5. Now GTFO.
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by HornsRiverine on Nov 29, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
When I see the Broncos actually trying to adapt their offense around Tebow
It makes me sad that Vince did not originally land in a situation where the coach actually gave it a shot to build an offense around Vince Young’s strengths. Vince is tons better than Tebow too.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 29, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I think he may get a shot though, maybe not in Philly
But, that throw he made on Sunday to Riley Cooper that set up the first Philly TD was amazing and it was not his fault New England blew out the Eagles. I think someone else will take a chance on him and see what they build around him.
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by HornsRiverine on Nov 29, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
I hope so
But he’s 28 now. Not a lot of years left in his prime. It was wasted by Jeff Fisher.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 29, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Briles also said he would allow RGIII to run track in spring
and RGIII is (was) an Olympic calibre hurdler. He ran track for 1 year, I believe, and then turned to F/ball full time.
Given Deloss’ history as an old track coach, I’m surprised he didn’t prevail on Mack to get him to Austin.
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I'm hoping VY winds up in Houston, finally. God knows we need a QB.
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by Snide Aside on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
+1
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by Juan Cortez on Nov 29, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think another factor
Was that the Texas coaches might have either:
-Felt they had enough ATH as QB’s on the roster (Harris and Chiles), or
-Felt they had missed on the last 2 ATH as QB signings on the roster and were wanting to go in a different direction at QB considering the McCoy success.
Of course the fact that we didn’t take a QB at all in 2008 makes these somewhat invalid, and if anything supports the notion that Gilbert was our only QB recruit for both the 2008 and 2009 classes.
by Horncasting on Nov 29, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
RGIII
was ranked by Rivals as the fourth-best dual-threat quarterback in the country.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 29, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Final ranking
I’m almost positive he was an ATH most of the year.
by Horncasting on Nov 29, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Enough said ...
He should be in burnt orange … but we didn’t offer.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Nov 29, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
To quote one my favorite movies
“Who gives a shit, the ball is f**king gone!”
Well, “Who gives a shit, RGIII is a f**king Bear!”
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by HornsRiverine on Nov 29, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Shipley's QB rating is 513.2
I’m just sayin…
Seriously though, I look for Jeffcoat and Acho to have a big day against RGIII.
Post about stats stolen from BC
Thought this was worth posting over here
A few reasons that Texas will beat Baylor on Saturday. Doesn’t seem possible but Baylor and Texas have 9 common opponents. Baylor is 6-3 and Texas 5-4, but Texas has outscored these 9 opponents by 59 points while Baylor has outscored the same 9 by only 20 points. In total yardage, Baylor has outgained the 9 opponents by 732 yds, yet the pitiful Texas offense has outgained the same 9 teams by 717 yds.
If Texas protects the football they will beat Baylor by several touchdowns. Texas has defense and defense wins games. Baylor has been held under 500 yds total offense in 2 games this year and they lost both. Baylor has not played any opponent that is close to Texas in quality of defense, against both the run and pass. Baylor’s defense gives up a lot of points and yards, 39.55 points and 501 yds pg to the 9 common opponents while the Texas gives up 21 points per game and 312 yds pg to the same 9. The Texas offense has been the cause of approximately 6 points a game that the defense has given up with its turnovers. So if Texas can stay away from the turnovers and protect the football they will win on Saturday.
Texas has held every opponent except Oklahoma at least 2 scores under their season scoring average. An avg of 13.6 per game, while Baylor has allowed its opponents an avg of 6.1 points over their season per game average.
The Baylor/Texas game on the surface looks like Baylor should be a heavy favorite but when you crunch the numbers, Texas has outplayed Baylor against the 9 common opponents. The big abberation is the OU game for both. Texas turnovers led to 35 OU points, 21 by the OU defense I think Texas wins 34-28 just as some one else predicted.
Two words which have not yet been typed but will be key
Terrance Ganaway.
This is the leading rusher in the conference, people.
I know we’re all slobbering, justifiably, over RGIII. But unless we take this guy out of their offense and make VY2 earn his Heisman, we don’t stand a chance.
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I still say
Kendall Wright
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by HornsRiverine on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing
But I have a lot of faith in our young corners. I look at the Okie Lite game, which admittedly was a while ago. Texas held Blackmon to a relatively pedestrian game (for him): 7 catches, 74 yards, 1 TD. The Horns had more first downs than the Pokes, forced 2 for 12 on third down, and held the ball for almost 40 minutes. And still came up short. That game was lost on the ground.
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by windycityhorn on Nov 29, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with you,
I do have faith in our corners, of course I do. I mentioned earlier that to me the matchup of the day is Wright vs. Byndom/Diggs.
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by HornsRiverine on Nov 29, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
After 40+ Carries Against TT?
I’d be surprised if the kid is walking unaided today.
minor point but
I don’t think RGIII looks much like VY in a uniform.
I feel like VY is a lot bigger both in height and muscle, and looks a lot more commanding at the line of scrimmage.
OK, so we didn't offer RGlll or Andrew Luck.....big deal....look who we have....anyway, our D is going to be supreme against Baylor...
And if we just run the ball, almost exclusively, use up the clock, play mistake free, pick up a fumble or two, and RGlll sprains his ankle coming into the stadium……we will win bigtime !
And we are in “White Knight” Unis….can’t lose
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by MeatchickenHorn on Nov 29, 2011 11:37 AM CST reply actions
we thought Garrett Gilbert was going to be the next BIG Quarterback. He just didn’t work well with GD or BH offence…
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by Juan Cortez on Nov 29, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
RGIII...is good..but not as good as his WR's.
Yes, he is really good, but he also has insanely great receivers that are tuned in 100% with their QB. He has a tendency to throw flat footed, long air balls that his receivers stretch to catch. The WR’s are the key to his game. We have none, that could make the catches they do or even start on Baylor.
+1
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
by Snide Aside on Nov 29, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Agree however, our cover guys are playing lights out and should mitigate their current wired status.nt
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by MeatchickenHorn on Nov 29, 2011 12:11 PM CST reply actions
I saw what you did there.
i hope so! i think we can stop them but will need the offense to score som points…just in case!
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Our D is stout...
…but I tend to think that RGIII will get his yards, and thus Baylor will get points. Given that Malcolm and Jaxon are still not 100%, that Joe doesn’t look like he’s playing anytime soon, and that both QB’s have major flaws, I think we’re going to have to go back to the two QB rotation more than just Case and also incorporate more trick plays. Another WR pass? Hell, let Ash try a throw since that didn’t happen once at A&M…that would stun Baylor.
option?
Since ASh is now #2 and this is the last game, perhaps it is time to bring back the option. ASh ran it earlier in the yr, but it was scraped after GG left. I presume, because they wanted to protect him from injury. Baylor is bad vs the run. I would love to see it put back in with Ash running the option. I think it could be very effective. Go to a 70-30 split with QBs, something like that
I Second That Emotion
Run the wishbone with Ash, Malcolm and DJ.
What about the 3rd rb?
Cody would be nice as the fb
With Shipley the wideout and Irby the te. Or Marquise the other wr or Bergeron the RB. I’d love to see the wishbone, I will be surprised if we don’t try it next season. Its the only offense I run well with Texas in NCAA 12.
Would love to see some Ash option plays, limit his passing though
if Shipley is up for it id like to see him doing some Wildcat
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by horns1025 on Nov 29, 2011 2:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If Only Baylor Had An All Male Cheerleading Squad
They’d be toast.
Joe Parker
Mack Brown & staff went away from what made Texas offense a top10 offense every year. That’s recruiting solid OL, dual threat QB’s, versatile RB’s and physical WR’s. Instead, Mack started recruiting big names and annoyed evaluating players that would the our spread offense system. As result Texas dropped the ball on prospects like Andrew Luck, RG3, LaMichael James, Cyrus Gray, Kendall Wright, Justin Blackmon etc…….
by Joe Parker on Nov 29, 2011 4:22 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
LaMichael?
never would have recruited him. Guy went to Arkansas to graduate after playing football in Texas, because he signed his name with a big “X”. He just picked the wrong guys. Though Melton and Whaley, probably proves he picked hte right guys at the wrong positions
On the plus side
Baylor’s run defense is a cool 102nd according to the USA today rankings at
Also noted there, Texas Tech is ranked dead last at 120th and Kansas is ranked 117th. Before Texas faced them, they were around the spot Baylor is in before the last few games and dropped a bunch after Texas put up 441 on Kansas and 439 on Tech. I would expect this trend to be very likely to continue.
To beat Baylor however, we’ll need to burn clock like it’s part of our job, so there shouldn’t be too much hurrying to line unless we want to give RG III the chance to make plays.
I’m predicting Texas will need to put up 300 yards rushing and hold the ball for 40 minutes to win this game.
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