Texas-Texas Tech: Can 'Horns Exploit Weakened Red Raider Secondary?
It's no secret at this point in the season that Texas Tech struggles in rush defense -- former TCU secondary coach Chad Glasgow's 4-2-5 scheme ranks 114th in the country, giving up more than 225 yards per game and close to five yards per carry.
The porous front seven gave up nearly seven yards per carry to Nevada when the Wolfpack gained 312 yards and were gashed by Iowa State last week in the loss for 368 yards at a rate of 5.58 yards per pop.
Given all of that and the emerging Longhorn identity as a physical running team, the gameplan on Saturday morning will almost surely revolve around running early and often to take advantage of the strength of the Texas offense and the weakness of the Texas Tech weakness.
However, given injuries to the Red Raider secondary, the Longhorns may have some more opportunities in the passing game that otherwise might not be available.
One of the top performers in that Tech secondary, sophomore safety Terrence Bullitt, who is fourth on the team in tackles and second in tackles for loss, separated his shoulder against Iowa State and will miss the Texas game.
In Bullitt's place will be senior Jared Flanel, a special teams player for Tech for most of his career who will be making his first career start.
Additionally, a recently converted wide receiver who has been playing the position for a matter of days, Shawn Corker, could be a starter at cornerback, not a great sign for the overall strength of a unit that has been suffering with injuries of its own and may simply be waiting to be exposed.
With Glasgow's defense committing resources to stopping the running game, Harsin may take more chances downfield than he did against Kansas, when he was mostly content to run the ball.
The issue is that Jaxon Shipley hasn't been practicing this week and could miss the game. At best, he'll be hobbled and not at full speed.
Add to it the fact that Ash has struggled connecting with the only sort-of proven deep threat on the team in Mike Davis, even in practice, and the Longhorns may not have the ability to exploit the possible weakness against a secondary that has only had one poor game this season, against the pass-happy Sooners.
Harsin's major commitment as a coordinator is to the running game and the natural outgrowth of success there is the play-action passing attack off of it, so Harsin isn't going to be discouraged by failures in games or practice if the opportunities are there -- he will take them in a close game if necessary, even with an offense that can't afford to get into long down-and distance situations.
If the Red Raiders do decide to outnumber the box and can stop or slow the Texas running game, will Harsin be able to respond? It will be a key to the game.
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Wonder if we'll see Case enter the game earlier and more often this week
Case has had success throwing the ball down the field. Nobody’s going to confuse his arm with John Elway’s, but he got off decent passes in the UCLA and Iowa State games. This is pure conjecture, but IMO, Case seems to see the field develop better than Ash.
Ash has been much more erratic in comparison. He had the one nice deep ball to Davis against ISU, but otherwise, most of his completions have come from short come back routes where he was throwing to a target who was basically waiting for the ball (not on the run).
I don’t think there’s any question the smart money is to run, run, run this Saturday until they stop us and hopefully use some play action for an occasional deep ball (which certainly suits Ash’s game), but if we should find ourselves in 3rd and long situations, I’d be for bringing Case in.
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I went back and watched the offensive highlights for the KU game.
It seemed as though Ash got increasingly more comfortable as the game progressed. There was one play where shipley ran a route over the middle of the field and Ash hit him right in the numbers. The thing about it was that it was in between 2 KU players.
Maybe McCoy does offer a better solution to 3rd downs, but It seems as though Ash is making progress and could soon be a viable QB
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Agree in the progress.
He looked comfortable, made progressions and checked out of plays, and made fewer mistakes. We’ll see how much of that was having fewer opportunities to make mistakes and how much of it was how bad KU is.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 12:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure Texas Tech will be a whole lot better then KU defensively.
They have a bunch of players hurt, especially in their secondary. Texas Tech is obviously a much better Offensive team then KU is, but we’ll see I suppose
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Hope you're right about Ash
I was at the KU game and it’s odd, other than Burgeron’s stiff arm to glory TD run, I can’t remember any other big plays…it just seemed like Texas had the ball the entire game getting 3 to 5 yards every play and 43 points just somehow appeared on the board.
If UT can avoid getting down early, I think they can control the game. But if Tech pops us for two quick TD’s and all of sudden we’re playing catch up, I think the game becomes a lot more like the Okie State game.
We’re not going to win a track meet with Tech and need stay away from getting into one with them…only way to do that is long sustained, clock eating drives and not turning the ball over.
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Well, the fact that we grinded out 3-5 yards a carry and don’t want a track meet with Tech is a good set to pair, right?
Ash had a pair of solid completions to Marquise (13 yards) and DJ Grant (27 yards). Shipley could (they would have been spectacular, but he can make those plays) have come down with a nice TD in the end zone on a little fade and another big completion on the play he was injured on.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 1:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Um
Not really…that duck in the UCLA game should have been an INT
by jtdoes on Nov 3, 2011 1:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
McCoy was 12-15 for 168 against UCLA
While the tip drill to Davis was a gift, McCoy did have a solid passing effort overall and showed the ability in the pocket to make the first rusher miss, reset his feet, find a receiver and complete it…DJ Grant the beneficiary of many of them.
Regardless, no one should infer from me saying that McCoy might be a more effective option than Ash against Tech’s depleted secondary as a full endorsement. I think both QBs have a long way to go.
The coaches seem to believe that Ash is separating himself and his playing time has reflected it. I hope they’re right. Either way, I’d like to get back to winning games of consequence.
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by 54b on Nov 3, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they are pushing Ash to separate. I dont think he has yet.
Ash cant be trusted to throw in the red zone. Hopefully the light will come on.
Remember the beginning of the BYU game
Where Texas came out in play action and tried to throw bombs?
I know that was a couple months and 1.5 quarterbacks ago. But that was the game’s first series, coming off a game where Harsin had showed he wanted to be a run-first team.
I think we’ll see something like that this week. Goad those safeties into the box, play action, and throw over top to single-covered receivers. Let’s hope it works.
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I’m not sure if you’ve been in Lubbock before, but we’re more than prepared to play in the wind.
On the other hand, if it were to rain Saturday, we’d be fucked. End of story.
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Still holding out hope
That Darius White will have his lightbulb moment and become a target for Ash. He just has to, there’s no way he is just sitting wasting away. Please, please arrive and strap this WR group on your back D-Money.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 11:58 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Hope he does the light bulb thing quick.
It’s been rumored he might be an attrition candidate and that my friend, would suck.
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I’ve heard it too, and I agree it has a strong possibility. I’ll hold out hope. He can be a huge step for this passing game. We need a big body in the red zone and for the deep ball. The John Harris injury is bigger than I think people acknowledge. Miles Onyay isn’t ready yet.
keeps fingers crossed
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 12:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It seemed as though they were trying to bring Miles Ob a long.
he seems pretty lenky, but could offer a height advantage if put in the right situation.
Is Harris out indefinitely for the year? I can’t remember
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He was in a boot and still in a fair amount of pain as of last week. Figured he’d be on his way, but each week it looks worse and worse for him.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 12:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn
For what it’s worth. I still want to see Desean Hales more. Kid is a gamer with the ball in his hands. Him and Quise both
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Same here. I think Hales will get a lot of looks if Shipley is out. Marquise hasn’t given us much in the passing game, hopefully due to his late start.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 12:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll tell you one thing
Marquise and DJ both have become mean Little SOB’s. They both have been fighting for Yards and hard. I like it!
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Totally agree. First time I saw DJ cut upfield and fight forward earlier this year, I almost lost my noodle.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 1:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
DJ has always been a tough runner
though his vision and actual abilities as a pure runner are probably more in question.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 3, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I laughed my ass off saturday when
Quise’s feet were moving faster then he was. He damn near broke that end around for 6
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Completely off-topic
your sig is hilarious! :)
I thought Harris looked closer to getting back on the field last week...
“He was in a boot and still in a fair amount of pain as of last week. Figured he’d be on his way, but each week it looks worse and worse for him.”
I caught a glimpse of him on the sideline reacting to a play. It ws from the highlight link on youtube that’s been posted.http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=e7zKdjCkcec#t=292s @ the 5:10 mark, reacting to the Diggs INT. Was that not him jumping 2 feet off the ground?
by LonghorninRaiderland on Nov 3, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I would really hope that he can get back on the field soon.
by LonghorninRaiderland on Nov 3, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Was Harris considered a deep threat or a possession guy ala Shipley 2.0
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Probably more of a possession guy.
Most of his highlights as a junior were catching hitches and then making the first defender miss, but that may have been a function of his quarterback play as much as anything. So he could end up being a good deep threat — and made a nice play giving a little twitch to a defender to get open on a post over the middle during the spring game — but I think it’s more likely that he’s a possession guy until he proves otherwise.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 3, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Most of my observations are stuff he puts on Twitter. I couldn’t spot him in the stands, but he’s talked a fair amount about his foot still hurting recently.
I’m hoping he comes back soon. Had high hopes for him.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 1:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If we try with Ash to beat Tech with the pass, we will lose. He is not ready. Yes, McCoy could probably do it, but
We need to run run run, then draws, screens and keep running, even if they stop us a few series. If we see Ash trying to throw downfield….he will be intercepted and we will lose.
He is not ready and if we turn the ball over against a quick strike O like Tech, its over.
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by MeatchickenHorn on Nov 3, 2011 12:04 PM CDT reply actions
Well...
First off, Ash beating Tech isn’t and won’t be the gameplan. We don’t need him chucking it 35 times unless, inexplicably, they find out how to stop our runs early and get out to a big lead.
Anyway, what makes you think Ash will get picked on a deep ball? The only deep ball that he’s thrown that’s had a chance of being picked was the trick play to Shipley against ISU. His deep balls have been completions or overthrows. His completion have been to open recievers and overthrows on covered recievers. No risk there.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 12:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't agree with your logic here.
David Ash simply does not have a connection with his receivers. Of all the long passes actually thrown by Ash, none of them have been intercepted. Most of them have been either overthrown or off the mark by inches. Not only that, but 2 of them have just had good plays on them by the DB.
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Thats right, before last week AAS said he was 0-8 on his long balls
Its the red zone where Ash hurts us.
No risk ?
What about the risk of wasteing a down or 2, and getting the run game off schedule, then we punt and there goes their O down the field. Why can’t we be satisfied with just controling the ball and the clock? We don’t have to win big, just win.
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 3, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Pardon
No material risk. One or two downs if we happen to run anywhere from 60-80 plays is awfully little risk. Considering we take a lot of our shots on 2nd and short, that down doesn’t carry much value. And if you force Tech to keep a safety or two back because we show we’re willing and capable of stretching them vertically, reward > risk.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 1:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Haven't gone back and tracked this
but I think second and short has been much more of a running down that I had anticipated coming into the season. Without looking, I suspect that we’re taking more shots on first down than second and short.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 3, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you might have something there.
If we throw on first down,and fail to gain at least 5yds. then we almost have to throw on second and third down as well, then we are in trouble. Is that what you are saying GBOR?
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 3, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I was more trying to point out tendencies
but you’re right that incomplete passes on first down are a major problem for this offense and while it doesn’t force a second-down pass, this offense can’t afford to get behind the chains right now.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 3, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree to disagree?
Mypoint is why risk at all? Hate to bring it up but, we tried a similar approach to what you are saying against OK St. did we not? We lost some of those important downs, then got behind on the score board,then felt like we had to play catchup, and we are not ready to play from behind most of the Big 12 O’s yet. I know I sound a little like and old codger, but the best way to control Tech’s O is to have them watching us run it down their throat, time after time, then the pressure shifts to their O to keep up. Make sense?
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 3, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I totally get where you’re coming from. I think we do stand to benefit from taking one or two shots deep if it forces Tech to respect the passing game a little. Don’t need it, but think it would make our running game a little more effective.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 1:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I wish Tech would come up in the box
We will move the ball anyway. If they are up close once you break out its goodbye.
Besides, the replacement Tech safety weighs 178 lbs. Not much run support there. Brown or Buregeron would make a grease spot out of him.
I agree in part
Although I think that by throwing down the field, the chances are getting better that we are going to connect, and hopefully soon. We came fingertips away with shipley last game.
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Must be an age thing
You and I Sir seem to sing the same song on this issue. I say run it down their damn throat, and out the other end, know what I mean? Enough of the cuteness, lets make another statement that we are now a running team. I also agree if we try to draw them in and dump it over their heads we are inviting disaster. They can’t score if we keep the ball all day. What’s wrong with a 17- 6 win? I would like to see a little more of Bergerone with the rock.
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 3, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Ash has had 5 Interceptions in the last 3 games including 3 in the last two games...none on short passes....
As bad as KU’s defense was, TT’s secondary is better. And yes you are right, Ash has no connection with his receivers. Simply based on these facts, the smart play is run, run, run and when that doesn’t work….try some more runs.
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by MeatchickenHorn on Nov 3, 2011 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
And that's the plan.
I took the intention of GoBR’s post to be that this week we’ll be presented with some shots down the field. Ash hasn’t gotten in trouble deep down field. Most of his troubles (since OU) have been red zone and over the middle of the field. I don’t think we’ll ask him to do that this week.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 12:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ash's interceptions were all less the 20 yards.
He’s thrown maybe 5 passes down the field. All fell incomplete.
Ash get’s in trouble when he’s trying to fit the ball in tight spaces, not when he’s trying to hit a 1 on 1 matchup with a CB.
Nobody is arguing we shouldn’t run the ball, but basing an arguement that Ash can not throw the ball down the field because he WILL get intercepted isn’t really a great arguement.
Does he turn the ball over too much right now. Yes. Can this be corrected? Yes
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Sure it can… I’m sure the coaches remind ash not to turn it over. Only for him to go out the next week and well… Turn it over… If you’re throwing ints vs. Kansas there just isn’t much hope for ash…. At least THIS SEASON….
by drobe86 on Nov 3, 2011 1:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow
A pick against KU in the red zone and there’s no hope for him? I’d love to have your selective vision and thought processes.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 1:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No offense, Audit Horn, but we'd love to have YOUR undying, unquestionable faith in Ash
Even though I still say we should stick with Ash until he proves without a shadow of a doubt that he’s not the answer (gets progressively worst instead of better, we win in spite of him, etc. , ala GG), which he has not yet, though frankly, he isn’t exactly sparkling a whole lot of faith even after that trouncing of KU. Your continued love affair with him borders on the obsessive, though. The guy deserves the chance to prove he can hack it, but does that mean you need to automatically hop down everyone’s throat who dares question him?
I’m just sayin’. Not everyone wants to marry Ash like you do, dude. Chill.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 3, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Why so sensitive?
Act your age, whatever it may be. Nobody here is obsessed with a football player. I think he’s the answer at QB right now, and hopefully moving forward. I think he’s shown progress at the position both in game and game to game. That’s not a love affair. It’s stating my observations.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 1:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If you pay attention,
People are starting to come around to Ash. People are taking notice of the progression of his play. Audit Horn is not exempt, nor am I.
Nobody is saying he’s flawless. He is making mistakes, but mistakes freshman make.
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Ash is ok in my book
I see potential in Ash, he’s just not there yet, but he’s along way from high school. I still remember Bama winning a MNC with a less than stellar QB in ’09. McElroy was at best a game manager, nothing to get excited about , only threw about 12 or 14 passes per game, and was never asked to take the game on his shoulders. I can easily see Ash in a similar role, not yet sure I can see Harsin calling that kind of game for 13 games.
by Burnedsince61 on Nov 3, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Bro
Ku is terrible. That’s a game where most teams pad their stats… If he goes out and throws for 300 plus yards and 3-5 Tds I would be excited… But in all honesty ash had a below average game against the worse team in d 1 ball… Sorry I’m not impressed
by drobe86 on Nov 3, 2011 3:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
bro..
The game plan was to run the ball. Ash went 14-18 for 145 yards… If we had almost 80 plays run…Only 18 of them were passes.
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He completed 77.8% of his passes.
This is not a bad outing for a freshman QB. He did exactly what he was supposed to do, minus the interception. He manged the game,
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And you think
McCoy couldn’t have done that? In fact McCoy would have done much better simply because he understands coverage and passing concepts and doesn’t throw ints…. Ash doesn’t learn from his mistakes cuz he does the same thing every game… Throw ints
by drobe86 on Nov 3, 2011 4:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Watch this throw
Minute mark 2:23. One of the few times QB wasn’t under pressure during OU game. For that matter watch the “block” that McCoy throws on the previous play (minute mark 2:13. Both QB’s clearly played poorly against OU, but both of those plays indicate a pure lack of physical execution that will just not work here.
Then, just btw, watch this throw
Minute mark 2:45. Unlike Both passes are roughly equal in terms of the yards their meant to go; and unlike McCoy’s pass, Ash gets hit immediately after.
You'll need to ignore drobe
He’s delusional and only sees what he wants.
He’s gonna have to learn that the Case ship has more than sailed.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 4:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm seriously glad i'm not the only one...
That wants to give him a high five…With a chair…In the face.
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You're right
The ship has sailed… Our coaches went with ash and I should accept that. But it’s really hard to when the better player is on the bench… But the cream always rises to the top… Ash will play terrible again and all of you will be screaming for case… But at this rate it’s fair to say that ash will finish the season with more ints than td…. And that’s sad for a qb at ut….
by drobe86 on Nov 3, 2011 7:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
if he were the better player he'd be playing
you seem to think the coaches go into a room and say “ok how are we gonna fuck it up against Tech? i say we playt he worst player” and not many of us will be calling for Ash’s head on a platter we understand what the word FRESHMAN means
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I never said McCoy couldn't.
That wasn’t the argument. We are looking at what Ash did in a limited passing role vs a porous defense. Of course he doesn’t have gaudy numbers. They didn’t ask him to make long throws. The game plan for throwing the ball was short passes. Again, the % speaks for itself. Ash did what he was supposed to do
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And
Do you think 14 for 18 with 0 td and 1 int is acceptable for a qb at Texas? The fact that we won 43-0 despite ash performance of how good our team is… and how middle of the road ash is…
by drobe86 on Nov 3, 2011 7:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Your refusal to see the forest for the trees is humorous
Do you think 14 for 18 with 0 td and 1 int is acceptable for a qb at Texas?
Let me ask you this…
If a Texas QB goes 11/18 for 161 yards with 3 TDs and 2 INTs against a Rice team that went 3-8 acceptable for you?
If a Texas QB goes 3/9 for 19 yards with 0 TDs and 2 INTs against a Missouri team that went 5-6 acceptable for you?
If a Texas QB goes 12/18 for 131 yards with 0 TDs and 0 INTs against an Aggie team that went 7-5 acceptable for you?
Guess what, we won all 3 of those games because we had a great running game to carry us as our QB matured as a passer. Care to guess who that QB is? I’ll give you a hint:
Later that same year, he won us a Rose Bowl against Michigan. As a sophomore.
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Good post
Vy played very poorly really up until that game…. That being said, ash doesn’t have 1/10 of the talent of vy so u can’t compare the 2… But as I’ve said before and I hope he does well… I just don’t see why everyone is buying in to him given his propensity to turn the ball over… He’s turned it over in every game that he’s played a big role in. 5 int In 3 games is just sorry… If anyone doesn’t see that they are being an ash homer
by drobe86 on Nov 4, 2011 7:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ash homer?
That’s a gem.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 4, 2011 8:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I am really starting to believe that your either related to or are Case McCoy himself
I don’t understand your infatuation with the guy. It makes no sense to me. Case Is a liabilty with his arm strength, pocket presence, and his speed.
by LonghorninRaiderland on Nov 4, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Realism vs being an Ash Homer
You sir are emphatically fighting a battle that has already been decided.
We, the “Ash Homers”, see reality. What the situation really is. We see he’s a Freshman QB who was put in a situation where he was asked to manage a game. Nobody is saying he is playing lights out, but we are saying we see progression in his play. From OU to this past Saturday, his decision making has gotten better, he’s making less mistakes and he’s making plays necessary to keep drives alive. Couple that with a promising running game and you have this years Texas’ team.
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That's true
It’s clear ash has somehow won the job… And but people here act like case isn’t good… It’s almost like the 2 games he started doesn’t exist…
by drobe86 on Nov 4, 2011 10:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not so much as they don't exist...
but I think more that the staff knew Ash was their QB once GG was sidelined, and McCoy started those games until they felt Ash had just enough experience to take over the role; or McCoy handed over the reigns when the alledged “OU incedent” happened, and the staff and/or team lost faith in his leadership capabilities. Who knows…
by LonghorninRaiderland on Nov 4, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
That makes sense
Case will just transfer to my Alma mater acu… And dominate for 2 years and go on to a successful NFL career…
by drobe86 on Nov 4, 2011 10:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
how much?
I would love to make this internet bet and get paid in internet dollars. Case going to dominate and have a successful NFL career. I would not bet on Colt having a successful NFL career without odds right now and he is more talented than his brother
You're right.
Colt is not exactly lighting it up in the NFL. I feel for the kid. Hopefully he can get his stuff together…
But completely agree that Case won’t make it in the NFL. The physical limitations are just too much.
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I dont think you see my point
I wasn’t comparing talent, but rather productivity. I agree that Ash probably doesn’t have 1/10th the talent VY did, but no one really knew what VY had after OU in 2004. Hell, a good portion of the fan base wanted him moved to WR after the Missouri game.
My point is, we KNOW what the limitations are with Case, we know he’s had some issues with his attitude, and we know that Ash has shown promise. People tend to forget that he is a freshman, and will have mistakes. Hell, Tom Brady still throws picks. If the brightline for how well a QB is, is bsaed on if he throws picks or not….I don’t think there’s any help for you.
We are not “Ash homers”, but rather Ash supporters. We support our QB. The QB that was chosen to play by someone who makes a shit-load of money for these types of decisions. You can throw out everything else…fandom, interceptions, fumbles…it matters not. This was Bryan Harsin’s decision.
This leaves a Texas fan with 2 options. Accept that David Ash is the QB for the University of Texas, and look forward to the progress he’s making (If you can’t see that progress, you are blind) – or – Bitch and moan that Case isn’t getting enough love and a chance as the starting QB, and be unhappy every time Texas trots out Davis Ash. I don’t know man…watching football with a negative perception just doesn’t seem fun.
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what part of "freshman" dont you get?
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by horns1025 on Nov 3, 2011 4:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Landry Jones threw a pick against KU, and he is one if the top qbs in the nation. If Jones throws a pick and is a senior, then I think its alright for a freshman qb to throw a pick especially when Ash does not have receiving options Jones does.
by horninraidercountry on Nov 3, 2011 6:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Easy game plan
Run run run…screen pass screen pass…jet sweep sweep….wildfozzy wildfozzy…and maybe 2-3 shots down the field off playaction
Now whether we can execute the gameplan is the question. However, I really think the the team has found its identity and now knows that it can (and win convicingly) by running.
I definitely would hate to be tech’s d and have to man up and tackle our plethora of RB’s all game long.
by jtdoes on Nov 3, 2011 1:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I know
I’d like us to roll out the same game plan we had against KU and execute it against Tech.
Maybe 70/30 run to pass ratio, and try to establish an identity as a power running team.
The identity is there
Now it’s more about execution on every level.
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I won't say we have that identity yet until we can roll it out for a few more wins
We executed a power running game against one of the worst defenses in the country, and are about to line up against another bad defense.
Good for us to keep working on this identity, but one game doesn’t make it for me.
The reason I say the identity is there
is because that’s what the coaching staff has effectively set out to do. Grant it, it was KU but you know that TTU is preparing accordingly to stop the run. Plus we know that that is what most of our play calling will be.
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If we can put 250+ yards rushing on Tech, I'll be ready to declare our staff has a plan
If we can rush for 200+ or better against Kansas State, I’ll be willing to say we have an identity.
Fair enough
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I think all that really will need to happen is get one or two stops
As soon as we get one or two stops, the running game should be able to take it from there and kill the clock and Tech’s chances.
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but part of the issue with play-action passing is the offensive line holding their blocks long enough for plays to develop down the field. Texas Tech is tied with Texas with only 10 sacks on the season and while that doesn’t tell the story of how much pressure they’ve gotten on the quarterback, they certainly haven’t achieved the desired end result by creating sacks and the type of negative plays that end drives, so that doesn’t factor as a concern as much as it would against a team with a better pass rush.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Nov 3, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions
But Scott Smith!
Is an All-World defensive end, capable of dominating a game on his own. Just watch last year’s game.
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by The Audit Horn on Nov 3, 2011 1:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Scott Smith was still in Texas Tech jail until the 5th game of this season
You will get a chance to see him today. Getting pressure on the QB hasn’t been Tech’s problem. Covering the QB read-draw has eaten our lunch.
Good stuff GOBR
I am not ready to throw in the towel on Ash, but to me it doesn’t look so much like a pressure thing, except OU, as it does he just is not ready to read all the mixed coverage things he’s seeing. In his defense he is just a freshman, all the D coordinators know this as well, so they give him plenty to confuse him. All the more reason to not put the game on his arm, or head.
I think this is about right
I noticed Saturday that they relied on the screen game and short passing game. It worked well for Ash for right now. He has 2 reads to make at most, plus he can get rid of the ball semi quickly and did not have to worry about pressure.
When there was pressure though, he was able to elude the pocket and pick up positive yardage and even a Touchdown.
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It looked like there were a fair amount of roll outs
Makes sense too from a couple angles.
First, we’re doing a lot of inside running, so the box is somewhat loaded.
Second, it gets Ash out of the pocket so he can easily throw the ball away w/out a penalty.
Third, it gives him the option to just run the ball to the sideline if the receivers are covered.
Running a roll out 5-10 times a game makes sense on a lot of levels for building confidence in a safe way and fitting the passing game into the running game plan.
RIght
We won’t see Ash drop back with out movement in the pocket. Rolling him out is fairly smart. Not only does it help him, but it also helps receivers to find a lane.
Part of the reason Colt was so effective was because when he rolled out, he normally always found a receiver to hit in stride.
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Roll outs, quick outs, and the screen game will probably make up the bulk of it
Then if we’re working all that well, and working the ground game well, we’ll sprinkle in some deep PA throws.
Likely if we can gain 6-8 yards on a first down run, then we’re in good shape for a second down PA strike.
I wouldn’t expect more than 2-3 of those a game, though.
Agreed.
We are going to connect on a deep pass and soon. I think (Hope and pray) it happens vs Tech. A streaking Mike D or D White would be amazing.
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I'm more eager to see other players in our offense punishing the TT secondary
Like Brown, Whitaker, and Bergeron…
WOW.
I just caught the injury to Shipley on MBTF kansas highlight reel from LHN. I think the tape may have been the only thing holding his foot on. I would be very surprised to see him on the field this weekend.
by LonghorninRaiderland on Nov 3, 2011 4:16 PM CDT reply actions
Agree...it was an intense twisting....I cant believe the ACL didn't tear.
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