Texas Longhorns Football: Big 12 Bowl Tie-Ins and Projections
by Peter Bean on Nov 7, 2011 2:10 PM CST
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PrintAfter completely falling apart last year in a 5-7 season that ended without a bowl for the first time in the Mack Brown era, much was made of Texas' sixth win of the season on Saturday. Although following the Longhorns' 52-20 dismantling of Texas Tech it will feel like quite a letdown if the team were to lose out and finish the season with just six wins, bowl-eligible Texas will be playing post-season football.
It's time, then, to look at the Big 12 bowl picture and where Texas fits in. With four games remaining, the possibilities for the Longhorns range from taking a 10-2 team to the Cotton Bowl, all the way to limping into the Pinstripe Bowl. Below we break down the Big 12 standings, the remaining schedules, and Big 12 bowl tie-ins, before making various bowl projections for Texas and the rest of the Big 12.
Big 12 Standings and Remaining Schedule
Let's start with a look at the Big 12 standings and each team's remaining schedule:
| TEAM | OVERALL | BIG 12 | REMAINING GAMES |
| Oklahoma State | 9-0 | 6-0 | @Tech, @ISU, OU |
| Oklahoma | 8-1 | 5-1 | @BU, ISU, @OSU |
| Kansas State | 7-2 | 4-2 | A&M, @TX, ISU |
| Texas | 6-2 | 3-2 | @MU, KSU, A&M, @BU |
| Texas A&M | 5-4 | 3-3 | @KSU, KU, TX |
| Baylor | 5-3 | 2-3 | @KU, OU, Tech, TX |
| Iowa State | 5-4 | 2-4 | OSU, @OU, @KSU |
| Texas Tech | 5-4 | 2-4 | OSU, @MU, @BU |
| Missouri | 4-5 | 2-4 | TX, Tech, n-KU |
| Kansas | 2-7 | 0-6 | BU, @A&M, n-MU |
Heading into this week four Big 12 teams (Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, K-State, and Texas) are eligible and three more (A&M, Baylor, and Iowa State) sit one win away from bowl eligibility with five victories on the year. Although it's technically possible that all three could lose out, it's unfathomable that A&M or Baylor could lose to Kansas. Iowa State's got the toughest road to six wins and could easily lose each of its final three contests.
More after the jump, including bowl tie-ins and projections.
Looking down the standings, Texas Tech looks like it may well miss a bowl game this year, as the Red Raiders need to win at least one on the road against Missouri and Baylor, and probably both considering their final home game is against Oklahoma State. Missouri, meanwhile, looks likely to get to six wins provided they can take care of either Texas or Texas Tech at home and win the border war with Kansas.
When it's all said and done, the Big 12 is likely to offer seven bowl-eligible teams, and could potentially have as many as eight teams finish with 6+ wins.
Big 12 Bowl Tie-Ins for 2011
The Big 12 has seven bowl tie-ins for 2011, and of course the potential to send two teams to BCS Bowls should Oklahoma or Oklahoma State make the national championship game. Below are each of the seven Big 12 bowl tie-ins, followed by the potential/likely opponents based on the standings at this point in the year.
| Bowl | Match Up | Potential/Likely Opponents | |
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Tostitos Fiesta Bowl |
Big 12 Champion vs BCS |
Oregon, Stanford, Boise State |
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AT&T Cotton Bowl |
Big 12 #2 vs SEC #2 or #3 |
Georgia, South Carolina, Arkansas |
 |
Valero Alamo Bowl |
Big 12 #3 vs Pac 12 #2 |
Arizona St., |
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Insight Bowl |
Big 12 #4 vs Big 10 #4 |
Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State |
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Bridgeport Holiday Bowl |
Big 12 #5 vs Pac 12 #3 |
Arizona St., Southern Cal, Washington |
 |
Meinecke Car Care Bowl |
Big 12 #6 vs Pac 12 #6 |
Ohio State, Iowa, Illinois |
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New Era Pinstripe Bowl |
Big 12 #7 vs Big East #4 |
Rutgers, Louisville |
Whether a Big 12 team will have to suffer the indignity of a bowl match up against the Big East #4 in New York City largely depends on whether the conference sends one or two teams to the BCS. If both Oklahoma schools wind up with BCS Bowl bids, the Big 12 won't send anyone to the Pinstrip Bowl unless eight teams wind up bowl eligible.
Projecting the Texas Longhorns Bowl Bid
With that, we can project where Texas is likely to play its bowl game based on its results across the remaining schedule.
If Texas wins out... Four wins to close the season would net Texas a 10-2 overall record and third-place finish in the conference, barring two more losses by OU. In that case the Longhorns would be Cotton Bowl bound if both Oklahoma schools went to BCS Bowls, and headed to San Antonio to play in the Alamo Bowl should the Big 12 send just one team to the BCS. There is also the possibility that the Fiesta Bowl chooses 10-2 Texas over 10-2 Oklahoma. The Sooners would be coming off a loss to Oklahoma State and their fan base may have Fiesta Bowl fatigue; on the flipside, Texas would be surging behind six straight wins, with an enthusiastic and re-energized fan base eager to travel.
If Texas goes 3-1... Three more wins would give Texas a 6-3 record in the Big 12 standings, which would be good for either third or fourth, depending on who Texas lost to and how K-State and A&M closed out their seasons. If the Longhorns lone loss came against either the Wildcats or Aggies, Texas would could head either to the Alamo Bowl or Insight Bowl. If the Longhorns loss came against Baylor or Missouri, Texas could wind up in either the Cotton Bowl or Alamo Bowl.
If Texas goes 2-2... Should the Longhorns split their remaining four games, they'd likely receive either an Insight Bowl or Holiday Bowl bid.
If Texas goes 1-3... Losing three out of four would send the Longhorns to either the Holiday or Car Care Bowl.
If Texas goes 0-4... Although there's an outside chance four straight losses could send Texas to the Pinstripe Bowl, the most likely destination is the Car Care Bowl, which still might select a slumping Texas team over, say, 7-5 Baylor or 6-6 Missouri.
Big 12 Final Standings and Bowl Projections
Keeping in mind that the bowls get to choose the teams they want and aren't obligated to take the teams as they finish in the standings, here are my projections for the final Big 12 standings and bowl placements:
Oklahoma State (12-0, 9-0) -- BCS Title Game
Oklahoma (10-2, 7-2) -- Fiesta Bowl
Texas (9-3, 6-3) -- Cotton Bowl
Kansas State (9-3, 6-3) -- Insight Bowl
Texas A&M (7-5, 5-4) -- Alamo Bowl
Baylor (7-5, 4-5) -- Car Care Bowl
Missouri (6-5, 4-5) -- Holiday Bowl
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If OSU and Texas win out...
Is there any chance the Fiesta picks 10-2 Texas over 10-2 OU? Could Texas be higher in the BCS standings with their two losses having been to top 15 teams? Would they prefer Texas based on the fact OU was there last year?
We wouldn't necessarily have to be ranked above OU, since both teams will be eligible (although only one could go).
I could definitely see a BCS bowl picking a Texas team that has won 7 straight games over one that just lost their last game.
I doubt it...
OU killed us, the voters will remember that.
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
the higher ranked team...
chosen by the voters will most likely get the BCS bids…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
That is not what generally happens though.
There is a reason the Big Ten always gets two BCS teams, and it is not because they are ranked very highly.
If the teams are in the top 12, it’s all about ticket sales and TV ratings.
true...
but we’re are talking about TX v OU both travel and get eyes, if it was any other Big12 school I’d agree with you but not OU.
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
But...
OU has been going to the Fiesta bowl a lot. I think that might favor UT. Though I do still think a 2 loss OU would get picked ahead of Texas.
I also think UT vs Arky in the Cotton bowl would prolly be a more fun match-up. I’d rather OU have to face Boise St again (would be fun to watch) or face the Big East champ or #2 team out of the ACC, B1G or PAC
OU has lost Whaley and now Broyles
Really too bad for those guys, especially Broyles being in his final year. They are not the same team that beat us and the injury bug is killing them. Plus, we are improving as our young guys get more experience.
I just want to beat Mizzou and A&M….please, oh please. Those bunch of whiners have blamed us for everything from Pearl Harbor to the boring SEC game last Sat. night. LSU with 9 passes, I couldn’t take it.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I'd forfeit to Baylor and K St
if it meant beating A&M at Kyle Field this year…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
I want to womp Mizzou too
I always liked them but they are hell bent on blaming everything on Texas although they were the nervous nellies that caused most of the instability.
We're Texas, We're not OK.
I think we will...
Mizzou has only beat Miami(OH), Western Illinois, Iowa St and A&M, and if its wasn’t for A&M being over hyped at the beginning of the year, nobody would be impressed with their team…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Someone has forgotten '09...
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 7, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Or was that '08?
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 7, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
that was a 3 way tie
trust me I didn’t forget, this is different, plus like I said they wiped the floor with us
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Yeah, they're going to remember all that.
Voters. The people who see only 5% of every game every week, but votes on 100% of games anyway. Those guys. They’ll remember a game from mid-season and how badly a team lost to what team. Okay.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 7, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely.
OU wins that draw in a heartbeat. They don’t forget 38-point (17-55) beatdowns.
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Absolutely possible
Added a sentence to the “If Texas goes 4-0” section. Meant to mention it originally, but if we win out and OU loses their final game, we might well be a more attractive candidate than the Sooners, whose fans will be disprited and Fiesta Bowl fatigued.
75-37-5. Now GTFO.
USC is still banned from post-season...
"At Texas, you're supposed to beat everybody. If you lose, it's like the world is coming to an end" --Mack Brown
Great post PB
I was doing the math earlier and came up with similar numbers…
While I want to go to the Cotton Bowl I think we have a far better chance in the Alamo Bowl (no USC).
3-1 would be awesome, that 10 wins if we win the bowl, I didn’t think that was a real possibility in August…my how the times have changed…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
so who does the 3rd loss come from?
That’s the big thing it can’t come from the aggies.
I really hope we get the Cotton Bowl. Its been awhile since a Big 12 team won the Cotton Bowl and I think its about time we break that SEC streak in Dallas
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by horns1025 on Nov 7, 2011 2:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I hope so too...
but we’ll have a better chance of winning in San Antonio, plus even if A&M beats us I still think the Cotton picks us over them since two SEC teams playing won’t draw the same attention. Texas v Arkansas would sellout.
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Although wouldn't it be something to savor
if Texas beats an SEC team in Arlington, enabling us to look toward College Station like “What? That wasn’t so hard. I don’t know what the hell ya’ll’s problem is”
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 7, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry, bot OSU is NOT going to beat OU
That horrific defense will never survive OU’s offense, and OU’s defense will prove up to the task of containing Old Man Weeden and his receivers. I predict 3-4 pics by Weeden in Bedlam and an OU win. OU, of course, will then go to a BCS bowl game and lose to whoever they play.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Tech beats OSU this weekend
Seems crazy after what UT and ISU did to them, but playing a pass happy team with a so-so defense seems to set up very well for Tech.
If Doege’s on, watch out. I bet it’ll be about a 5 hour game too.
@longhorn54b
by 54b on Nov 7, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Remember Broyles is out...
so their odds have gone up
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
I don't think OU's offense is going to win the game for them
I think their defense will. They’ll score plenty themselves even without Broyles.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 7, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I would actually like OSU to win
And finally beat OU in Bedlam, but I just don’t think it’s going to happen.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 7, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
I agree OU will be favored...
but they won’t blow OSU out of the water, I think OSU has a real chance
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Yes, I think it will be very close
With that offense of theirs, they’re never out of any game.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 7, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
If OSU is more than a 21 point favorite, wihch I suspect they will be
Take TT.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 7, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Bowl line up...
The Texas Bowl in Houston (Car Car Bowl) should be against an ACC team then we’d have I against every major conference…
The only other thing I would change would be to swap the Insight Bowl (since we already play in the Fiesta in AZ) with one in Florida, that would make people more willing to travel to see that match up…and would get us exposure in all three major recruiting grounds (TX/CA/FL).
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
What happened to the Holiday Bowl?
Must have missed the memo. Looks like Pacific Life ended its sponsorship.
That’s too bad, it was a fun bowl to go too. Still can be I guess, but the match up won’t be quite as good.
@longhorn54b
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My liver hated seeing that damn whale every 3 commercials.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Alamo outbid it in 2009 for the premeir B12/PAC matchup
the the Insight bowl upped its payout and the B12 bumped it down the line up, not sure when Pacific Life stopped sponsoring it…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
reply to 54b above
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Off topic but I really think the Alamo Bowl made a mistake
replacing the Big 10 with PAC-12. The Big 10 schools always seemed eager to travel to San Antonio for the weather and Riverwalk. I don’t think it is going to have the same draw for the PAC-12, especially the Arizona and California schools.
the B1G refused to give them a good matchup...
and the PAC would so they took it over
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
While I think the Holiday Bowl has more historical significance
and should thus showcase the better match-up, this works out really well for the BigXII. The Alamo Bowl used to be kind of a disappointing consolation prize for the team passed over by the Holiday Bowl.
Now its kind of an either/or thing. If you go to the Alamo Bowl, you’re stuck close to home, but in a higher-profile game, while if you get passed over, at least our guys get to go to San Diego.
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 7, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
The Sooners May Have Lost Broyles
But they still have Reynolds and Stills, two quality receivers.
I Think USC Will Be Playing
In the Reggie Bush Bowl.
Sucks for Tech...
they had 5 wins after beating OU and only needed 1 more to be bowl eligible but then blew the “sure thing” at home to Iowa St, now everyone predicting they’ll finish the season on a 5 game losing streak.
I for one, am hoping they can pull out the upset a Mizzou on Nov 19th and represent the B12 in NYC.
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Is beating Mizzou really an upset, though?
Might be the other way around, regardless of what the oddsmaker say…
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Nov 7, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
every...
bowl predictions I’ve seen has left them out so you gotta think it would be an upset
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Longhorns play Sunday, right?
And still no LHN.
:(
And Gimme Nebraska
Diaz might pitch another shut-out if we got the Huskers.
Pinstripe?
Isn’t that baseball?
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
played in Yankees Stadium
that’s why…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Texas Tech is 5-4.
Please, for the love of God and all thing holy, let us have that.
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I can't believe it took someone that long to notice that.
The Big 12 has a lot of bowl-eligible teams at the end of this year. I think the following all make it to a bowl:
OU, OSU, Texas, A&M, Tech, Baylor and Kansas State, with Iowa State having a very outside shot at it.
7 of 10 teams making a bowl game… not a bad batting average.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Nov 7, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I could easily see OU upending OSU
Both OU and OSU end 11-1.
Texas – A&M, A&M – Kansas State, and Texas – Kansas State will decide third place.
It’s looking pretty good that we’ll handle our business against Missouri and Baylor, hopefully we’re not getting ahead of ourselves.
Even though the Insight Bowl isn’t supposed to be as good as the Alamo Bowl, I’d prefer the matchup against a Big 10 team.
Alamo Bowl is close, though, they’d definitely want Texas if they had the opportunity to pick them. Attendance would be great.
Just adding on to my post previously,
Suppose the following Big 12 teams go to bowls this season:
OU, OSU, Texas, A&M, KSU, Baylor, and Texas Tech
That’s 7 out of 10 conference teams making a bowl game. Is that the largest percentage the Big 12 has ever sent? What if Iowa State also makes it?
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Nov 7, 2011 3:59 PM CST reply actions
Peter, you might want to rewrite the section on Tech
Being 5-4 makes it much easier to get to a bowl, they only have to beat Baylor at jerryworld.
or Mizzou
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
I would love to play Nebraska in the Insight Bowl.
They’re the only team that I miss in all of the conference shuffling. There was some decent hatred developing between Texas and Nebraska, and I’d love to get a little bit of that back. Hell, I’d love to see us schedule a home and home with them beginning in 2018 (when we have our first OOC opening).
We definitely have some institutional bitterness with them at that venue
Plus, the Searels story plays well.
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I want A&M vs. Georgia in the Cottown bowl
So, that we can earn our revenge from the 2009 Independence bowl fiasco. If A&M can win out from here, I want to play Georgia, no matter what bowl we play in. UGA is a highly overrated team and I hope A&M gets to play them.
Spitballing/Pipedreaming here....
And I mean seriously pipe dreaming because not dropping a game is going to be VERY tough and probably unlikely (so let me have my fun, knowing I still have my little toe cemented in reality)….
But is there a scenario where UT receives an at large berth even though OU/OSU doesn’t play in the MNC? It would certainly require us getting picked over a 2 loss OU/OSU team, which is unlikely, but that could get us in the Sugar against SEC #2 or in Rose against Big Ten #1 (if Stanford wins Pac 10 undefeated) while OU/OSU as Big XII champ plays in the Fiesta. The Fiesta Bowl is great and all, but I’ve always had a “meh” attitude about it as a destination.
Root for TCU on Saturday and anyone that plays Cougar High to open up that 4th at large. Probably need to root against ND too, but they have Stanford on the horizon to knock out that 4th loss.
Anyway, back to reality….. Alamo/Cotton would be cool. too bad about the demotion of the Holiday Bowl.
One thing not mentioned
The Big XII will likely punish A&M and Mizzou if at all possible. The only way A&M stays in Texas (Cotton or Alamo) is to win out. The big wigs will want to banish the Ags to AZ for the Insight or CA for the Holiday and Mizz to Houston or NY if they can get eligible.
Didn't Beergut promise, swear, and pretty much guarantee...
That a+m would be in BCS championship, or at the least, a BCS bowl???
Didn't A&M pledge loyalty to the Big 12 a year ago?
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
12 points and 2 quarters have kept us from being the second best team in the conference.
Our losses to osu, pigs, and missouri have been by a total of 12 points. We outplayed OU in the 2nd and 4th quarter but lost because we did not do well in the 1st and the 3rd quarters of the game.
cotton bowl
it has been a decade since TEXAS played in the cotton bowl Chris Simms` final game.they will take a 9-3 or possible even 8-4 LONGHORN team in a heart beat.
The history
of UT and the Cotton Bowl would make us a pretty desirable choice.
.
by Longhorn in Canada on Nov 7, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder ...
Which CFB teams have played in any particular bowl the most. I would imagine that UT-in-the-Cotton is probably one of, if not THE, most common team to play in a particular bowl. USC-in-the-Rose and OU-in-the-Orange are probably some of the others. Anybody ever seen a chart of this?
Is there a bigger joke of a "job" in modern athletics...
…than being a “bowl Rep” needing to take a booze-filled expense-account subsidized vacation scouting trip to see in person what he could just as easily see on TV?
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read Death to the BCS...
it explains all this sleazy crap…btw how can I get that job?
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
I am shocked and appalled...
There is also the possibility that the Fiesta Bowl chooses 10-2 Texas over 10-2 Oklahoma.
…that the loser of the RRS could qualify for a BCS bowl over the team it lost to in that game which ended the season with an identical record.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 7, 2011 9:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
And...
…wouldn’t an Oregon team which loses to Stanford this week quite possibly be the Pac-12 Alamo Bowl qualifier?
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If they only lose to Stanford...
they’ll be BCS bound, Rose if Stanford goes to the NCG, and Fiesta/Orange if not…
10 spots, 6 AQs and Boise St takes care of 7, SEC #2 B12 #2 PAC #2 rounds out 10, B1G is down this year, only wild card is Houston but they’re still a longshot over a 2 loss Oregon, OU, or even UT.
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
I guess I'm used...
…to automatically penciling the B1G for a second BCS spot.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 8, 2011 7:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So we all realize
1) It doesn’t matter if the Big 12 has a team in the title game. The rule states you can’t have more than 2 in any BCS bowls. There’s no requirement in place that places the first into the title game in order to get the second.
2) The Fiesta Bowl is not the place to look, necessarily, for the second berth. If OSU makes the title game, the Fiesta Bowl will get one of the first picks for the at large team to select to their bowl. If they choose either OU or Texas, the other cannot go. If they choose neither, or they get OSU, the other bowls are still able to select either Texas or OU for the second spot. If OU wins the Big 12, then the bowls will get their chance to select either OSU or Texas for that second Big 12 as an at large.
3) The BCS rankings mean little to nothing when it comes to these selections. There’s a cutoff BCS ranking to qualify. After that, it’s first taken gets the spot.
5) “The Cotton Bowl would love to take…” means about nothing. After the randomness in place by the at large from the BCS selections, the remaining bowls are all contracted based on conference rank.
Your point #5 is incorrect
Bowls are not constrained by final conference standings. Assuming for a moment that the BCS takes two Big 12 teams (OU & OSU), the Cotton will have its choice of any other bowl-eligible Big 12 team, which could be a 10-2, third-place Texas, a 9-3, fourth place Texas, or even, in theory, a 6-6, seventh place Texas.
Practically speaking, though, it would be politically difficult for the Cotton not to take the third place team (again, assuming two BCS teams) if that team is free and clear of everyone else in the standings, both in terms of conference or overall records. But if there’s a multi-team tie for conference third place, or if the third place team lost a couple of OOC games and is ranked behind the fourth place team which swept its OOC slate, the Cotton (or any bowl, for that matter), will look at factors like how well the fans travel, tv ratings, etc.
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by Hopkins Horn on Nov 8, 2011 7:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's actually an interesting question
Does a 10-2 Texas get the nod for an BCS At Large over 11-1 OSU?
That would sting.
I'd bet my next paycheck
that a 1 loss OSU gets into the BCS over a 2 loss UT
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
It would be a farce, if it happened.
Blow the whole thing up, if those monkey do that. However, if a 10-2 streaking Texas team gets picked over a lost-our-last-game 10-2 OU squad, then all is right in the world. It would avenge a very small portion of our painful memory from the “2008 Screw Job”.
It happens quite a bit in lower level bowls.
The ACC passed a rule saying you cannot pick teams that have 2 or more losses than another team because BC kept getting passed over by teams with 3 or more losses than them.
That's correct,
in the Big 12 the tied-in bowls get the next selection, not the next conference team by conference rank (PB should have included a footnote on the chart stating this, though it’s obvious he knew it by mentioning Texas could possibly get the Cotton Bowl bid over others ahead of them by record).
I’ve heard that’s not the case with the SEC and don’t know about other conferences. I read the SEC tie-ins have to take the teams in order of their conference finish. I only know this because it was used as another (and one of the lamest among a plethora of lame excuses) excuse by Missouri for wanting to bolt to the SEC as apparently they feel they’ve been passed over by the better bowls too many times in the past. Of course, having your teams not choke at the end of every season they start off strong would be a better remedy.
I don't think the SEC has such a rule.
I think it matters more which division you’re in. The cotton bowl tends to take SEC West teams when available.
Number 2 and 3 are wrong too, where's 4 btw?
1. We all know that the Big 12 can get 2 teams in the BCS without OSU playing in the title game but Texas would not be able to make a BCS game unless OU loses to OSU leaving us both at 2 losses.
2. The Fiesta Bowl has an agreement with the Big 12, if they voluntarily choose another team over TX or OU that will only sour the relationship with the conference, and IF the Cotton Bowl gets its BCS status it is quite feasible that the Big 12 switches its BCS tie-in due to the Fiesta Bowl recent improprieties not to mention if they snubbed the conference figureheads.
3. The rankings matter, the team has to be in the top 12, so that leaves out a bunch of 3 loss teams, and IF OSU loses to OU, OU goes to the Fiesta and OSU (with 1 loss) would get the nod over a 2 loss Texas, you can say rankings mean little but losses mean a ton and that is reflected in the rankings (for the most part).
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Kansas State.....
….. has lost their last regular season game.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
Hope you are correct, but
word is that Tyler Lockett, our super freshman receiver/kick returner, is out for the year with a damaged spleen. We are already thin at wide receiver, and what he gave us on kick returns was other-worldly. He had over 300 all purpose yards against Okie Lite. He and Klein kept us in the game.
He was worth at least 5.5 points per game. I don’t see us beating Texas without him. aTm, yes. But not Longhorn.
oh hail the Purple and White
I can't see OSU winning out.
I have to see OSU beat OU before I can believe it!
Even with the injuries...
I can’t see osu beating ou…the visor has serious motivational skills with his team.
The University at the cotton bowl RRR and ok lite in the bedlam series, stoopid has a knack for getting the job done.
That said, have I mentioned ou sucks?
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