Mack Brown Bowl Presser: JUCO QBs, Attrition, Injuries, and More
On Thursday, Mack Brown met with the media for the first time since the Baylor game during an hour-long marathon of a press conference in preparation for the Holiday Bowl that featured numerous jokes, several at the expense of Chip Brown, attrition, information on the quarterback situation, and enough other news to leave the mind spinning just a bit.
Follow after the jump for an admittedly incomplete list of what went down:
- Brown said that Texas will probably not bring in a JUCO or graduate transfer at quarterback, but did not seem to completely close the door on the idea. Consider it less likely. Or choose to ignore what Brown said completely. At the banquet Friday night, Brown indicated that the coaches would discuss such a possibility and it appears that the decision is to stick with Case McCoy and David Ash, as well as incoming quarterback Connor Brewer and Jalen Overstreet.
- Speaking of the quarterbacks, they will continue to rotate against Cal. Brown said that they may not name a starter and that it would probably be determined by the opening package of plays.
- Bowl preparation can be tough on the coaches because they go to practice in the morning and then have to go out recruiting afterwards.
- As he did at the banquet, Brown talked about how far the team came between Thanksgiving 2010 and Thanksgiving 2011. Talked about how the wins might not have been there, but that he was more concerned with the process and saw improvement there. Thinks there will be plenty of improvement before the start of the 2012 season.
- Cal and Texas are at similar points in their development, neither team won as many games as they wanted this season. Thinks it's a good match-up.
- Coaches will have their traditional exit interviews when they get back from the bowl game, telling the players everything that they liked and didn't like about their season, lay out a plan for conditioning and nutrition, and tell them the goal for where they need to be in August.
- Attrition news and confirmations: defensive tackle Taylor Bible will transfer, defensive tackle De'Aires Cotton will seek a medical hardship, defensive end Dravannti Johnson has graduated and may try to play elsewhere due to a lack of playing time, fullback Jamison Berryhill will not return because of general wear and tear on his body, offensive lineman Mark Buchanan will not play next season, as well as Blaine Irby, which was revealed during the player availability earlier in the day. At least I think that's all of them...
- Brown also mentioned Texas A&M specifically when talking about giving everyone unconditional releases (yes, even Darius White) and noted that since A&M is still in the conference until June, the normal two lost years of eligibility would apply, leaving White with only one season if he wanted to transfer his rumored destination of College Station.
- Confirming the earlier comments from Keenan Robinson, Brown said that both Malcolm Brown and Joe Bergeron are going through practice right now. Robinson said that both are healthy.
- Despite some speculation towards the end of the season that he might be ready, redshirt freshman wide receiver John Harris won't be able to play in the bowl game. Also, freshman linebacker Chet Moss will not be making the trip to the bowl game for personal reasons, but will be back with the team after the break.
- Irby said that he felt he had accomplished everything he could during a Wednesday conversation. Brown added that he doesn't want Irby to walk like he does when he's 50, referencing the five knee surgeries the Texas coach has undergone, adding that he thought the whole thing was a miracle and that he never expected Irby to play as much as he did.
- Noted that around half of the Texas team hasn't played in a bowl game.
- Texas has played six of the top 15 offenses in the country this season.
- Brown praised the development of both the offensive and defensive lines and the coaching that Stacey Searels and Bo Davis have done with the groups. Mentioned that Davis wants all the defensive tackles to bench press 400 pounds. The only one who currently can is true freshman Desmond Jackson.
- Brown acknowledged that defensive backs coach Duane Akina has applied for the Hawaii job and that he will interview for the position, but declined to say when. Fortunately, Brown didn't know of any other coaches being seriously considered for other jobs, jokingly asking for the reporters to let him know if they hear anything.
- Chris Whaley has been spending a little bit of time back at tight end during the last two practices in a special package of plays the coaching staff is now tinkering with. Brown said that the move won't be permanent, but because of Whaley's size/speed combination and the ability of Harsin to quickly install packages that don't take away many practice reps from defense, Whaley is getting a look there.
- Brown then joked that every time someone tries to take a defensive tackle from Bo Davis, all of a sudden the guy is the best defensive tackle ever.
- Bryant Jackson is still working at wide receiver, but may spend some time playing both wide receiver and safety during the spring. The redshirt freshman made the move from safety to wide receiver in fall camp after attrition there just before the season started.
- Spring practice starts February 24th.
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dont get this reference...
“Brown then joked that every time someone tries to take a defensive tackle from Bo Davis, all of a sudden the guy is the best defensive tackle ever.”
by vanterminatorhorn on Dec 15, 2011 4:18 PM CST reply actions
Bo Davis
doesn’t want his defensive tackles getting poached, so he talks up how good they are there so he can keep them.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 15, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
All good stuff. Thanks a ton for the recap, GOBR.
Only thing I’m left wondering is, what were the jokes at the expense of Chip Brown?
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Didn't catch the first one exactly
but on the second one, someone said that they didn’t want to wrongly speculate and Brown jokingly don’t them, “Don’t be like Chip.”
I think on the first one, Chip Brown asked something and then kind of added to it and Mack interrupted him and told him that he was working on explaining it so Brown did get it wrong. Or something along those lines. I’m trying to get a transcription of it because I know Texas SID won’t.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 15, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks.
Would be very intrigued to see the transcript if you can get your hands on one.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
Mack skewered Chip Brown
some time back; maybe last spring or summer . . . worst I ever heard Mack go after a reporter.
There’s a history, and a bit of animosity there. A source who knows both of them told me Chip takes chances with what he writes, sometimes, and Mack boils over when Chip gets it wrong.
I think it was NSD.
Seems as if Mack definitely doesn’t care much for Chip.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 15, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Goes back further than that
when Chip worked for DMN and we were mired in our 5 game losing streak to the sooners. Chip came out with a story the morning of the RRS about Sally Brown and the family atmosphere at Texas. Can’t remember the rest. Not sure if Chip was insinuating that the family atmosphere had to do with being manhandled by OU or not.
"If crime was justified by need it would be the occupation of the masses."- Chief Gillespie
No JUCO or transfer QB really dissapoints me.
I think Ash has some potential, but who knows if he’ll achieve it. If we’re relying on Ash/McCoy and a true Frosh (Brewer) again we may be looking at another 7-5.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Dec 15, 2011 4:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yes...I agree
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
He didn't really even consider it
He only gave it a couple of days and did not give the impression that they are even really looking. If QB play doesn’t improve next year, his credibility went way down in my book…
by 4horns on Dec 15, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
if QB play improves
will his cred go way up?
"I was nice and didn’t go for a full cock shot" - LonghornEm
Whose credibility goes down in your book 4horns?
by Hippie Killer on Dec 16, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
Try reading the article again and the string of comments and maybe you will piece it together….
Well presumably Mack Brown.
But the statement was so damn stupid, I wanted to give you a chance to clarify.
by Hippie Killer on Dec 18, 2011 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
I think your response is pretty freaking stupid in itself
Dude, if you think Mack has done a great job at developing a QB the last several years, then you must not be watching the games and you must not be reading the endless amount of dissatisfied comments from countless fans.
If QB play is the same, or close to the same, next year, and Mack does not bring in anybody, then I think there will be a major clamoring for his dismissal the following year. It would be negligent to not fix something that badly needs fixing, which could result in another poor to mediocre season for 3 consecutive years.
Agreed
Only thing different would be healthy running game, maybe?
by Burnedsince61 on Dec 15, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Also a full year of S&C for all 3 of the true freshmen
Which will hopefully add to the durability of the RB’s.
Plus, we may have a back in Gray that is as good at the Wildcat as Fozzy. I believe Fozzy didn’t start practicing it until August.
What's different will be J. Gray and the difference will be transcendental!
Make book on and come back to this post next and say “Snide, you were right!”.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Yes, unless
Gray gets injured like our top 3 RB’s did this year. We can’r rely on one player to make or break our season.
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Not sure how Big12 can enforce the 2nd year lost eligibility if DW goes to A&M
since A&M won’t be in the Big12 when he actually starts to play. But I’ll trust that’s true. That being the case I doubt he goes there. However, I assume that means he CAN go to TCU right now without incurring a 2nd lost year since they’re not yet officially in the Big12.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Dec 15, 2011 4:30 PM CST reply actions
He COULD go to A&M
after the Aggies join the SEC, with the one-year transfer in effect. That just means he can’t enroll at A&M until after June 1, or June 30, whatever A&M’s Big 12 exit date is. He can’t play next year in any case (unless he goes Div. II or FCS).
He also noted that a kid (White) could go to TCU/WVU
And since they are Big East it would only cost them 1 year despite TCU/WVU joining the Big XII shortly.
He made it clear that we offer Unconditional Releases. We help the kids move forward, and do not hinder them at all. It is the NCAA or conference that has the rules, not Texas.
White if from Fort Worth, so TCU may be likely.
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juco qb
I think it would be good to have an older guy to show the young qbs how its done. I see how Russell Wilson did at Wisconsin and feel like all we need is a consistant thrower to hit out wrs
If there was a Russell Wilson out there
I think Texas would be hard after him. But there’s not.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 15, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Was it apparent that Russell Wilson was a Russell Wilson when Wisky brought him in?
Just curious, I didn’t know anything about him until this year.
Three-year starter at NC State.
So it wasn’t surprising that he was as good as he’s been.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 15, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
And he wasn't just any starter
He was also an extremely good one—arguably the best in the ACC two out of the three seasons, in fact.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 16, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Glennon was announced starter over him
for 2011.. Was very odd. Though he was not anything like he was this yr. Talent was always there, but he had accuracy issues and was INT prone. Threw double digit INTs in his 2 seasons at NCST and never completed 60% of his throws. Just goes to show you what a top flight o-line and a running game can do for a QB
That's actually not the whole story
O’Brien gave Wilson an ultimatum about baseball, and Wilson informed him that he planned to continue with it. Can’t fault Wilson there, because obviously his future isn’t in football due to physical limitations. Anyway, once he told O’Brien that he planned to continue playing baseball, O’Brien demoted Wilson, because he wanted a 100% guy for the spring.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 16, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
That is such a stupid decision
Baseball season and football season come nowhere near each other for the most part. Baseball’s a spring and summer thing, while football is fall and winter. Why should a coach whine when that merely means he needs to stay in shape all year round?
TEXAS FIGHT
Spring football
And the desire to move forward and not cause disunity by having the natural team leader absent the entire spring.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 17, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
*to clarify, I'm not saying I agree with O'Brien's decision
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 17, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
RG3!!!!
Graduated early and has a year left, just sayin…
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by dukeoforange on Dec 15, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Both Mack and Harsin have a very good history of producing good passing games
Any WR that signs this year for any program will not be playing very long with that team’s current starting QB, so there is an element of the unknown at every program.
Also, the depth chart at WR is pretty wide open.
1) with our other WRs, they can’t double-team everyone;
2) with our RBs they may not be able to double-team anyone;
3) with our OC, we will find ways of getting you the ball….even with the QB play we had this year, we had receivers that had good games, and we have plenty of tape of dropped passes to show that they could have had even bigger games.
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Shhhh - aren't we trying to recruit DGB?
How the heck Do you recruit 4star or 5star WR with what they can expect at QB?
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by Snide Aside on Dec 15, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Not to toot my own horn but gee,
I was benching 350 lbs. as a Freshman in high school as a RB. It’s hard to believe only one DT can do 400 on a Division I FBS team.
27-25: SCOREBOARD - to infinity and beyond!
Unless you were Henry Melton...
…eh, not worth it.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Agree.
Bench Press doesn’t make everything. In fact, i would argue that the Power Clean and Squat are more important to a football player.
That being said…Bench Press is damn important and for only 1 DT to be able to bench press 400+ is embarrassing. It shows a real dedication to avoiding from the weight room.
by Hippie Killer on Dec 16, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I think the front-squat and incline bench are the most important for the left four on OL and the interior DL
I think there’s also a disconnect between different people’s definitions of a bench max. Some people consider a fresh (full recovery of 48hrs. since last intensive workout), warmed-up, single rep, with full extension and zero chest-bounce. Some people believe the same with the exception that they won’t nullify the rep if there’s a bounce. Lots of programs don’t bother with a full recovery period before max testing. My school used the first definition I described, but even so, I knew very few 14YO kids who could bench 350lbs., and exactly zero who were running backs, as spinmonkey claims to having done. On the other hand, I’d be shocked if the Texas linemen were getting 48hrs. or even 4hrs. of recovery prior to max-testing.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 16, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
i'll chime in
I think power clean is the most important lift for a football player. It is an explosive move that generates serious power from the hips. Nothing is more important in football than having those explosive hips (helps in the bedroom too). I alwasy thought the bench press is over-rated. That said 400 lbs is not a lot for a 280-300 lb person. I always though doubling your weight was the line for a strong human being
Yeah, I can't actually double mine
But I have no problem hitting about 150% on a one-rep max.
I love the power clean, but my heart will always be with the hang clean. It’s so hard to find a gym with the clean weights and proper areas for doing them, though.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 16, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
agreed.
I miss the likes of Derek Lokey who was benching like 550 or so
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Russell Wilson
Was ACC player of the year in his last year at NC State. His star quality was evident to everyone but the head coach (whom I was hoping would be fired and get the ATM job).
Probably not wrong,
but the reports are that Dirk Koetter and Norm Chow both want the job and both are more qualified than Akina, who was pretty terrible during his one year at DC. Even though Akina is from Hawaii, think that the school would have to miss on some guys before hiring Akina.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 15, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Wish him luck
This is Akina’s dream job. He has given a lot to the program. It would suck to lose him, but I hope he gets the job.
I would wish him well, but don't wish him luck ...
He’s the best DB coach in America, and damn fine on special teams, too. Great, great coach.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Dec 16, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
Good luck Akina, but I hope you don’t get it.
by Hippie Killer on Dec 16, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Concerned that the Juco QB option is cooling off.
I will REALLY be watching for evidence of improvement by Ash during the bowl game after a lot of practice and some Harsin attention.
Man, I hope he makes smart plays and gets some of his confidence back. Otherwise, well I’ll remain nervous as hell about next year.
But I also understand that Mack wouldn’t want to sift through five QBs again in the spring and summer. Probably better to hammer Ash into shape. I said hammer Ash.
Embrace the triple option.
Brown & Bergeron healthy?
I think I’ve heard that before. I’ll believe it when I see it.
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by PiedAfried on Dec 15, 2011 5:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The Asset
said today that Bergeron is wearing pads, but is no contact, while Brown is available, but is being rested a bit so he doesn’t re-aggravate his injury.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 15, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
do we all still think they'll be good by Bowl time?
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by horns1025 on Dec 15, 2011 5:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It remains the hope.
The news seems to be good so far, now they just have to get through the rest of the practices without any setbacks.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 15, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Also
Brown said that Jeremy Hills told him he is returning next season, which would be his redshirt senior season. Right now, I assume that DeSean Hales will as well, as of right now, though that could change for him once it gets to the fall. Both were candidates to give up football.
No word on tight end Trey Graham, who has missed the last two seasons with knee injuries and may have to give up the game as well. I would be surprised if he is on athletic scholarship in the fall.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 15, 2011 5:27 PM CST reply actions
Last program I saw had...
Trey Graham listed as a Student Assistant which I took that he was already on medical…
IT doesn’t have him listed on the scholarship roster anymore…
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by TowerPower on Dec 15, 2011 5:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm beginning to suspect that the recruitment of DGB is better than most think
And, it appears, that maybe a few WR recruits and players might be thinking the same.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
If, after GG got benched at the beginning of the season
you were told that we would STILL be rotating QB’s at the bowl game, would you find that worrying? Obviously that is the correct way to still be approaching it right now, but it is frustrating that 10 games later this hasn’t gotten worked out. But I’m glad we’re staying away from JUCO’s/Grads. I think we need to develop from within, and get a QB who can spend 3/4 years in the system.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
Definitely not ideal
and Brown talks about how he always wants to have separation at every position. It is what is it, I guess. Even though I hate that saying.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 15, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
I hate that saying too Big Roy
and I might have a family member, note me i promise, who has it tatooed (quite stupidly) on their person. You cant pick your family…
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by dukeoforange on Dec 15, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
You realize
We can still develop those guys with a juco or graduate player right? It’s actually a better situation as they’ll get the added time to build confidence in their game and additional time to work with their receivers and QB coaches so that everything’s second nature.
Why should we be glad we’re staying away from a player that could potentially put us in the nat’l title picture simply by being a good game manager QB that doesn’t turn the ball over?
TEXAS FIGHT
I disagree.
If we bring in a JUCO, the coaching time will be with them. Remember, the kid has to learn a brand new offense along with the players and coaches. That’s significant time taken away from Ash.
Right, and a JUCO/grad would only be on campus for what, a year or two?
If we can get Ash to be adequate by the time the 2012 season starts, that’s a QB we can ride for 3 more years, or more if a freshman wins the job.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
It may be time taken away from Ash now
but overall it’ll be time gained for Ash learning to play his position so as not to turn the ball over as well as being more aware when he can throw to a guy as he’s coming open rather than needing them to be completely open as it seems like he does now.
TEXAS FIGHT
I liked Brown's demeanor and FIRE in the presser
He was 100% totally in charge and in control. You could see it in his eyes and hear it in his voice. He is full throttle and in the groove and we are rocking and rolling.
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Sooner fan here
i was just wondering, are y’all expecting anyone to forego their senior year and enter the draft?
Vaccaro and Okafor
Are real the only ones of concern. I do not see either as first round guys right now, so they should be back, but you never know
What about ya'll?
Do you think Landry is coming back next year?
by BurntOrangeForever on Dec 15, 2011 6:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hope not
I’m ready for the Blake Bell era to start, but I think Landry comes back. Ronnell Lewis though is probably gone.
by soonercowboy14 on Dec 15, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
I've only really seen him run.
Is he a good passer?
by BeeCaveHornFan on Dec 16, 2011 6:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
His fiance (Whitney Hand)
is a junior there, and plays basketball. It’s been said by him quite a bit he will come back to be with her.
Okafor is almost assuredly coming back.
Only concern is Vaccaro, but we will see what kind of draft grade he gets. With his brother here, he’s likely to return.
Kevin Vacarro coming in this year as a freshman
I’m betting Kenny Vacarro comes back, so that they have a year together on campus. IF Akina gets the Hawaii HC job that may change. (I think Akina as a HC is a bad fit).
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why no qb
mack needs to pull his head out of his rear.unless none of the available qb`s are willing to come then there is no reason not to bring any older qb`s in.none o f our qb`s have earned the right to not have competition.until one of them plays at a very high level then it should be open competition.
The only explanation I can imagine
is that Mack figures that all he needs is one of his QB’s to play the game manager role. Unfortunately to do that role, a QB must display that they’re not going to turn the ball over very much, which our quarterbacks have a tendency to do.
TEXAS FIGHT
^ way more likely.
Let’s be honest, who is out there of value that would come to Texas? Karam is the only somewhat legit prospect and he couldn’t start at Tech.
but on the flip side
we dont have a QB that would have started for Texas Tech
Even a legit prospect probably wouldn't beat out a healthy Doege
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 16, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, but a lot of posters here
are touting him as the “next guy” and I don’t think that’s even close to being true. He has a lot of talent and is smart, but I think we are overrating him.
Eh, it's par for the course on a fan-driven site
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 16, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
ultimately, won't this call come down to Harsin & Applewhite?
I imagine they would be the one’s doing the scouting, right? Assuming any is done of course.
Most likely.
Of course, I’m sure Mack is pressured into bringing someone in, but we’ll see. I just don’t think he’s the answer to our problems.
I was speaking in general terms, not really about on player....
so when I hear Mack say we aren’t likely to get a juco or graduate transfer in (but that could change)…..it makes me take that with a grain of salt…because ultimately, it would be Harsin/Applewhite that he is leaning on to evaluate and make that call. Doubt that was done between Sunday’s meeting and the midweek presser.
bringing in another qb
ok,normally i might agree with Mack (and like many, I give Mack a ton of credit and a ton of respect for his decisions. Truly appreciate the man). But I don’t agree on not bringing in a juco or the kid from Tech who is graduating. He is simply a way of replacing GG. If GG had not transferred, he would be here next year, probably still “THE MAN”. Ash and McCoy would sit it out and Conner could redshirt.
GG left. So there is a void. We have had an unusual set of circumstances here, so that calls for an unusual solution.
If the coaches are not just settling for Ash/McCoy and really think there is top flight play from one or both, then Ok, I will trust them. But if they are just sticking to a “formula” then i see it as a mistake.
the whole rest of the recruiting has shown flexibility and serious thought. Amazing stuff. I just ask that they give the QB situation that same level of thought. I trust they are.
GG left because the fans chased him out of town.
I blame that loss of QB squarely on the shoulders of our fans.
by Hippie Killer on Dec 16, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
There is
an enormous amount of truth to this.
by BurntOrangeForever on Dec 16, 2011 12:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you could say that
Overstreet is taking GG’s spot in the quarterback numbers. 5 scholarship quarterbacks is usually not ideal. But then again neither is 2 (see, McAsh)
Sally, will you meet me at the airport?
Juco QB
Some people on here keep saying no to Juco QBS, lets develope our QB’s 3 to 4 yrs., and then what, some more 5-7 or 7-5 records, if a Juco QB is good enough to give UT 10-11 wins, the heck with waiting 2 or 3 more years to get back to the 10 win or more level!!
We need a QB, next year, that can recognize and deliver to a hot read when necessary.
He simply just needs to be proficient at being a mechanic and and smart enough to read a defense and make the proper audible.
Does the kid from Tech fill this bill? Well, hell yeah he does! Sign him up!
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
He wasn't even a starter at Tech.
Beat out by a guy who didn’t play his Junior or Senior year in High School.
I’m not sure he’s really that much of an upgrade over what we have now.
What we have now is Ash and McCoy, both with significant playing time and that cannot be underestimated how helpful that will be during the off-season.
Our QB’s will not play like freshmen forever.
Like Sherman said after he got fired- “It’s easier to change than it is to fix”, but in this case, I think we are already in the process of fixing and no reason to leave a job unfinished, IMO.
by Hippie Killer on Dec 16, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
complete irrelevant
not playing in High School is a complete red herring, just look at Deoge’s stats:
CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Season 398 581 4004 68.5 6.89 56 28 10 19 138.9
lets not look down on Deoge, because he is at Tech. That is ignorant. He was not the reason Tech was bad. If the other 21 players played like he did TTU would be going to a hell of a bowl
No, he is not the reason TTU was bad...
but it also shows Karam isn’t likely the answer either.
by Hippie Killer on Dec 16, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
arron rodgers
or even god himself, Tim Tebow, could no thave saved Texas Tech
The fact of the matter is,
he didn’t start at Tech. At Texas Tech. And all of a sudden we want him in the burnt orange? How far have we fallen off the wagon!
Excellent point
Furthermore, hippiekiller, I wasn’t saying we needed Joe Montana at QB – just a QB that can FUNCTION in our offense and be able to, successfully, throw a pass now and then. I think Ash will come around, Case will transfer and Brewer should redshirt. That leaves either Karam or Ash as the backup – you comprende now?
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
Our Law School is much better than Baylor's
If RG3 can get in, he ought to.
He couldn't transfer to UT for law and still play
A graduate transfer can play if, and only if, the gaining school has a graduate program that the losing school does not offer. Baylor offers a JD program, so law isn’t an option at UT. Even if it were, doing a year of it before heading to the NFL wouldn’t make much sense. It makes more sense to go for some specific sub-specialization of poli-sci or public policy master’s program that’s not offered at Baylor if RG3 were to want to transfer and prepare for a later stab at law school.
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― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Dec 16, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Mack's Mulligan Gone
OK we have Case who can’t cut it in the passing game and has not improved much in his two years in the program.We have Ash that looks like a deer caught in the headlights and sucks as a game manager.the we have two true frosh that really need to red shirt.
If Ash goes down then we are back to Can’t Cut It Case.
If Mack wants to put all his chips on what we got now and we lose 5 big 12 games again he should be fired.
Mack you know what has to be done so JUST DO IT.
by TCB Orange Dino on Dec 16, 2011 10:23 AM CST reply actions
Pot, meet kettle. nt
To err is human...but humans have such low standards.
by adt2 on Dec 16, 2011 12:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Sorry. I didn't just start watching football yesterday.
So, I’m not going to over react about our below average QB play and say Mack should be fired.
I’m not going to write Ash off yet either. Dude is only a Freshman and if you can’t see all the factors that went into THIS TEAM and the differences between other teams and their starting Freshmen QB’s…then this is a conversation that will go nowhere.
by Hippie Killer on Dec 16, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
so....
…..how does one enroll at one school and then decide he wants to transfer to that school’s rival? I don’t even have a dog in that race and it’s kind of nauseating.
kind explains a lot
shows he never bought into the program and the results reflect that. It why there are so many misses recruiting. You can easily quantify a kids physical talents, but try quantifying a 17-18 yr old’s maturity
who are you talking about exactly?
The discussion above on rules wrt transferring into, say, a&m vs WVU or TCU was really the result of Coach Brown’s noting in his press conference that this year is something of an odd one. There are two schools on their way out of the conference (but not out until June) and two schools on their way into the conference (but not in until June, maybe even after).
It should be noted that neither Johnson nor White nor Bible has indicated where they might go; and there was certainly no specific discussion yesterday about any specific destination for a given player. Brown’s point yesterday was that, while we will do what we’ve always done in terms of helping transferring players and not trying to dictate where they go, re-alignment makes it a bit of an unusual year.
I'm talking about White....
….and his even considering it offends my sense of loyalty. Don’t like the program? Understandable. Leave. But go to the rival? Ugh.
While White has not indicated where he might go, it is rumored as described above. If it’s baseless, fine. But it doesn’t seem to be.
Any one else depressed?
In the last few weeks all the transfers, assertions that we will probably not go after an experienced QB, “commitments” deciding to “look around”, and rumors of Akina and/or Applewhite leaving, etc. is just depressing the hell out of me. It’s too early (for me, at least) to get fired up about basketball. I may have to stop reading BON for awhile. And if Brown and Bergeron are indeed healthy, sit them in lawn chairs on the sidelines or in a whirlpool during practice so they don’t get injured again before the bowl game!
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Sorta like pruning the tree, doc.
Not that these guys are deadwood per se but many have reached the limits of their ability here for whatever reasons or of their bodies with injuries sustained. Unlike smaller schools, the talent level of our players means they still have some value on the football field somewhere and so they move on. Meanwhile we replenish with (most certainly) keener and more critical eyes than we have in the recent past. I suspect it is a giant improvement overall.
These sorts of things happen at this time of year. This was a year of reformation on virtually every level of the program, so I see many things shaking out. This team may not even be recognizable by next fall. Teams are not necessarily a linear progression…most definitely quantum in the team aspect with so many interactive parts, most of which are really invisible to us. Buck up.
And, hey, this is one of the most fun basketball teams in a long while. Without the great expectations, they are entertaining and really do not play like a freshman-dominated team.
Cheer up doc. Good things are happening, I guarantee.
































