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Why Mack Brown Really Might Retire Soon

On Thursday afternoon, when the report from Topeka, Kansas surfaced that Mack Brown is going to step down after the Baylor game, it was pretty easy to disregard it as, well, a non-credible rumor from nowhere. On the other hand, though, despite the unbelievable sourcing of the rumor and the possibility that it could have simply come from a rival coach trying to undermine Texas recruiting during an important stretch trying to finish the 2012 class strong, there were some elements about Brown retiring that made sense.

After all, Brown was seemingly close to retirement three years ago when former defensive coordinator Will Muschamp was named the head coach in waiting, a move that ultimately failed to keep Muschamp in Austin when Brown failed to develop a timetable for turning over his program. There's no doubt that Brown has thought long and hard about how much longer he wants to coach at Texas.

After all, despite all the talk about Brown being re-energized during the offseason, some of the losses this season seemed to take just as much of a toll on the head coach as the soul-crushing 2010 debacle. During press conferences, especially after games against Missouri and Kansas State, the spark seemed gone from his eyes and mannerisms. He started to look every bit of his 60 years again. Perhaps even older, with how this job has aged him.

The uncertainty of the quarterback position is also surely weighing on Brown, as neither David Ash nor Case McCoy look like long-term solutions at the position. With more development, it's possible that Ash could be a solid starter, but he regressed during his last two starts and this is not particularly the forum to start another discussion about McCoy that will only lead to the same place every other discussion about McCoy has gone recently.

Forecasting the quarterback landscape moving forward, there's nothing to give Brown a great deal of hope that the Longhorns will have a player on campus by 2013 or 2014 who can lead Texas back to the mountaintop. And that has to be extraordinarily discouraging for a coach who received good to great quarterback play throughout his entire tenure at Texas leading up to Colt McCoy's departure.

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Add in the pressure on Brown's time that the Longhorn Network has added and it's easy to see why the coach might feel like he's been stretched a little bit thin. Early in the season, Brown noted the the fledgling network was like another full-time job.

Though developed a little further in this post, those were all issues that were all mentioned in the post from Thursday (except for the Longhorn Network. The impetus for furthering this discussion, however, came from the long-rumored report from the Big Cigar that helped add momentum to talk about Brown retiring on Thursday.

It appears that the perception that Brown has lost some of the energy that galvanized both he and the program during the offseason has in fact dissipated:

Privately Mack has told people that he’s exhausted and doesn’t feel like he has the energy to right the ship sometimes. He’s shared exactly that with a couple of high level contributors and a former assistant that does broadcasting. People inside the program have verified that Mack works in fits and starts for the most part this season. He has his good weeks where he’s ultra engaged and then other weeks he’s more hands off and withdrawn. The losses vs. OU and OSU were really bad in terms of being distant and withdrawn, but then he had the rug pulled out from under vs. Mizzou and KSU after rolling KU and Tech. The valleys are too low and the mountains are too high it seems.

According to the high-level source, that fact is not something that has been lost on the administration:

The powers that be, Bill Powers, Deloss, IMG, and some influential boosters have asked that they sit down with Mack at the end of the season and talk about an ETA on winning big again and then an exit strategy. They’re going to ask when Mack will win again and then ask about a time horizon. If we want the LHN to take hold which will lead to a favorable realignment scenario the program has to get back to the big stage.

While that might seem to indicate that Brown is much closer to retirement than anyone on the outside looking in might have realized, an important aspect of Brown's personality to remember is that he often operates at his highest levels when he gets knocked out of the complacent ruts in which he sometimes finds himself, although that might not even be enough this time:

Based on what I’ve heard, Mack will probably tell the Powers-that-be the truth, which is that he’s tired and he doesn’t have a near term solution at QB. But my guess is that he’s torn between the three year pact he made with the young coaching pups and his own dwindling energy level. In fact, I think if he loses one of Harsin or Diaz this season, he’s gone because he doesn’t want to go through this again. If not, I see him staying through 2012 to see what that season will yield in terms of a glimpse at the future—if he can find the energy.

The Big Cigar closes the report with talk about the factors that could lead to a sped up timetable for Brown stepping down -- losing the coach who the source feels like has been hand-picked to replace Brown in Boise State head man Chris Petersen to a program like UCLA, or coordinators Manny Diaz and/or Bryan Harsin leaving, as mentioned briefly above.

It certainly adds some moving pieces to the whole equation. One of them may have fallen into place for Brown to stick around for a while longer with a Friday report that Petersen has removed his name from consideration for the UCLA job. That keeps one domino in place. It's too early to speculate with any great accuracy about what will happen with Diaz. His name hasn't been connected much with the Ole Miss opening in recent days, but the most likely scenario for him leaving still seems to be one in which Dan Mullen takes the Penn State job and Diaz would return to Starksville as the head coach. As for Harsin, at the moment it does not appear that he is a major candidate at any position currently open.

It sounds like a lot could be determined when Brown sits down with those powers that be at Texas and lets them know how he's feeling about the future. After putting it all into perspective, from this vantage point the Mack Brown era looks like it may have a much shorter expiration date than it did even less than 24 hours ago.

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If all this is true, or even part of it, Who do you see as the next HC? Could it really be Petersen? When I saw that he had turned down UCLA job, I didn’t think of Texas, but I did wonder who came calling. I figured it had to be someone big, but Texas was not yet mentioned ,and there are so many major openings on the board right now I did not even guess. What kind of impact do you predict on 2012 and 2013 recruits, if it where to shake out this way?

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 2, 2011 2:05 PM CST reply actions  

Petersen seems like the only real candidate right now.

If Brown does retire either before or after the bowl game, I would expect that the class will stick, especially if the assistants remain in place. I’m not sure that Petersen would make sweeping changes there, especially with Harsin already in place and everyone else being so strong as coaches.

It might have some impact on 2013, especially if Petersen struggles at all in creating that family atmosphere that has defined Mack Brown’s ability as a recruiter, but I think Petersen is a guy with a strong enough reputation that Texas wouldn’t experience much of a blip in recruiting.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 2, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure who the other candidates could be, but in another thread I threw out a few names

I was looking for successful guys with good ethical track records, and Dantonio, Bielema, Patterson, Petersen, Beamer, and possibly June Jones seem like they could fit. I don’t think Beamer would ever leave, and Dantonio, Bielema, and Petersen really have no noteworthy connections with the university or state, although Bielema was at least a successful Bill Snyder protege.

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Patterson of TCU?

Now that right there sounds like the makings of a good T’Giving rivalry. We wood like to extend a invite to the Big12, and O by the way it will only cost you your HC. Instant bad blood.

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 2, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Patterson would get you two national titles in about 7 years

and he’s great tv (for that dreaded LHN). Please don’t hire him. He’s K-State. Purple. PLEASE do not hire Patterson!

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Dec 2, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Patterson of TCU?

Why would Patterson want a step down?

by biffula on Dec 2, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd have no interest in Chip Kelly

He’s a lot like Urban Meyer, in that he has basically zero ethics.

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do you say there won't be a good QB here by 2014?

Connor Brewer not expected to be good? No other young guys on the radar?

by hornbone on Dec 2, 2011 2:12 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not sold on Brewer as a savior

and there are some young guys in the 2013 class, but I don’t think I see them coming in and starting early. Maybe I’m being a little pessimistic in that assessment, but the fact of the matter is that there are so many unknowns at the position that it’s almost impossible to project with anything approaching optimism.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 2, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

That's making thinking too

that it’s nearly impossible to predict QB play.

by hornbone on Dec 2, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that's the right mentality

It’s easy to get excited about young talent, but QB talent is extremely volatile. The hopper of the two current contenders, the 2012 commitments, and any future recruits could spit out a gem or yet more disappointment.

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

With Sherman gone at A&M

Let’s get in Davis’ ear. He’s a dual threat guy.

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by Wrangler86 on Dec 2, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Davis would be very interesting.

Connor Brewer is going to be solid, if anything. But the one I’m REALLY inerested in is Tyrone Swoopes in 2013. I know it’s a long-ways off but this seems to be the kind of gem that we’ve been used to here recently at Texas. I was hoping that Mack could stick around to recruit this guy and then ride off into the sunset after he’s won another national championship.

by robthecob on Dec 2, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

I wish Texas would focus on dual purpose QBs. They can contribute sooner and can much more readily switch to other positions if they don’t work out at QB. If QB depth becomes a problem, you can always switch that dual purpose QB who was switched to another position back to QB.

Having a QB with some size who can really run:

  • allows the QB get away from the rush when the pocket breaks down,
  • allows the QB to efficiently take advantage of opportunity draw plays when coverage is good (especially vs a man defense),
  • permits the QB to be incorporated into the run offense, adding another runner the defense has to account for,
  • makes the QB rollout very difficult to defend
  • makes the defense more likely to play zone pass defense and/or dedicate a spy to the QB, presenting easy targets for the passing game
  • makes the defense less likely to blitz
  • forces the defense to be more run oriented, opening up opportunities in the passing game.

by Kafka on Dec 3, 2011 1:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Brewer is a Harsin recruit.

McCoy and Ash are both Greg Davis recruits. The offensive style has changed. The Harsin offense suits McCoy’s style better than Ash. Harsin knows what to look for in a QB. Zabransky and Moore were both very successful at Boise St. They built a program with a hell of a lot less raw talent than UT gets on a yearly basis. Its not always about finding the best guy…just the right one. If someone would just work on McCoy’s footwork, he would be serviceable. I don’t think either Ash or McCoy are going to be elite.

by VegasLonghorn on Dec 2, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

G. Davis recruits?

Not disputing, but have to wonder why such a difference in their styles, for the same scheme?

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 2, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

mccoy fits?

Harsin offense is predicated on the deep ball. That is a weakness of McCoy. He has had success with guys with mediocre arms, but the system is built for a big armed QB. BSU just did well with less

by codaxx on Dec 2, 2011 5:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It is a fallacy that Colt couldn't throw the deep ball.

Sure wish folks would stop saying this. He was other-worldy in college and probably connected on more deep balls than 99% of the rest of the country’s QBs. Just because his specialty was quick-release dart-pinpoint passing, doesn’t mean he couldn’t chuck it down the field. He did quite often. Heck, when Kellen Moore is throwing it deep, those guys ain’t covered very close.

by robthecob on Dec 2, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa, I really misinterpreted that one.

Sorry, dude. Yeah, deep throws – along w/ all the other throws – are definitely a weakness of young McCoy. I’d have to concur. The posts right above that were talking about Greg Davis and, so, I got stuck back in time a bit. Never mind. Well, at least you know how I feel about Colt, huh?!

by robthecob on Dec 2, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

As a neutral observer

Colt got screwed to have never won a Heisman. As evidence of my bona fides for hating OU, I’m blocking out the name of the QB from OU who beat him Colt’s jr season. I thought Colt had an overall better year. Now, the land thief will probably be a better pro. But Colt got hosed.

Oh yea, and OU sucks. (bradford)

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Dec 2, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Colt got screwed

As many have said before you are just to kind to be a rival, but I think you are right on Colt. It was really a shame to see his UT days end the way they did. After getting screwed on the Hiesman, it would have been nice to see him go out with the ring. Oh and I still say that was a cheap shot on Bama. What does a nuetral and honest observer as your self say to that?

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 2, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Iffy on the cheap shot - I've seen worse

but that was a sad way for it to end.

I thought Colt deserved it over Bradford because Colt made a lot of plays with his legs as well as his arm. I thought Colt was just a better college QB than Bradford. Bradford wouldn’t tuck it and run to save his frickin life. Bradford (while much better) reminded me too much of Jason White – a product of a great system with studs all around him.

Who would you want if your 78 yards away with from a winning score and 1:58 to play, against a team like LSU, Bama, or any really good D? Yea, me too. Because in that situation, the QB is going to have to make at least one play with his legs to extend the drive. I’d pick Colt. Saw him tuck it and run too many times. Bradford, seldom, if eer.

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by Furnace76 on Dec 2, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

And I think Ingram (from Bama) won it

only because no Bama player had ever won the Heisman before (which, at the time, I found hard to beliee). Because of this tidbit, I think Colt got hosed again.

Didn’t Colt leave with more wins than any QB in college history? Is that the record he got?

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by Furnace76 on Dec 2, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

He did leave college with that record

Kellen Moore from Boise State took it over this year.

Hook 'em Horns

by LonghornWSO on Dec 3, 2011 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

You're so right.

In any list you’ll find of the “greatest college players of the decade”, you’ll commonly find VY, Tebow, & Colt in any order of 1-2-3 but you don’t find Bradford on the list at all. In 2008, Bradford’s offense was a pinball game and he was surrounded by tons of talent in the line, at WR, TE, and at RB. Colt’s offense was in rebuilding mode with a young OLine, RBs, NO TE, and short/slow WRs. He had virtually the same passing stats (less yards, more accuracy) as Bradford but was the leading rusher on his team, won head-to-head in the RRR, and was the talk of college football that year. In ‘08 & ’09, do you ever remember a time when, if given the time, Colt didn’t score at the end of the game or at the end of the 1st half? Dude was an absolute stud, the epitome of a Heisman winner, and he absolutely got hosed by voters in other regions who did not proper analyze who had the better season.

by robthecob on Dec 3, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

By cheap shot I mean

If I saw what I thought I saw, the big MF lowered his head into Colt’s back just as he came in. This year you would probably draw yellow for any thing close to what I thought I saw, but I’m a homer and my eyes ain’t what they used to be. I so loved watching Colt in the drives that you describe. The dude wanted to win at any cost. Duh, I still was not aware that Ingram was Bama’s only Heisman. Richardson is way scarrier to me, couldn’t find fault if he get’s it this year, but he’s got way more comp than Ingram had IMO.

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 2, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, but I meant Davis

Then I remembered, he had no scheme. Well maybe the bubble scheme.

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 2, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I've heard a lot of people say that the Harsin offense (if there is such a thing) is based on the deep ball

And I still haven’t seen it. There’s the occasional downfield shot that Boise State has taken. Same with Texas this year. But it’s not the thrust of the offense.

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the Harsin offense...

is whatever he thinks it needs to be. Isn’t the famous Boise quote, “we don’t have an offense, just a collection of plays,” or something like that?

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by Reggieball on Dec 2, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

You got it!

Most wouldn’t expect it but the offense at Boise, now and with Harsin, has a lot of power run. We actually run the ball more than we pass it by a few attempts. It’s very balanced, which is why it’s so successful I think. I didn’t watch as much Texas this year, but I would assume that Harsin would be doing the same thing there. It is also pretty true though that they do what they need to do…that there is no set offense. They power run it, spread it out, West Coast, throw it deep, whatever.

(I’m a Boise fan…grew up there. But also lived in Texas for a bit, so I enjoy watching them and reading this blog every once in a while too!)

by Future_Demagogue on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Good thing too...

Need to red shirt some of these guys and start building again…we do not want to find ourselves playing 18 true freshman ever again.

by DavidB64 on Dec 2, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Juco QB

Because it takes time to develop QB’s and Mack is short on time, wouldn’t this be a good year to take a Juco QB? We just need adequate play with all the other talent on this team. Just have him throw it a few times and run the ball rest of the time….

by 4horns on Dec 2, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Looking at the comments of Backup QB Karam....

Seems like he’s pitching himself to our staff. Anyone know anything about him besides 9/17 for 2 tds 0 ints? He’s a dual threat 4 star/3 star (on some sites). Worth a look. What do we have to lose?

He’s claiming he’s immediately eligible because of a snafu of some sort. If we can get someone who can just threaten downfield, our offense would have a much easier time. Right now opponents just load the box against us. Tech picks some decent QB’s, I’ll give ’em that.

As to the reports of Mack retiring….I think it’s empty threats. If one of his staff leave, I’ll buy on him leaving…until then, I think he wants to see his D strangle people.

Also, really can’t see him leaving until he gets a good look at Gray(sp?) in Burnt orange.

by e1 kabong on Dec 2, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Overstreet bandwagon

Get your tickets here, while they last.

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 2, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't even notice we got Overstreet....he's still a frosh.

Was just thinking, this way we got a junior with exp., but he doesn’t have that Bill Snyder-y JUCO tinge to him that Mack seems to pass on.

by e1 kabong on Dec 2, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Harsin's allready here

Any other Boise asst. that Petersen might bring? Who gets the credit at Boise for developing K. Moore?

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 2, 2011 2:22 PM CST reply actions  

Haha, Kellen gets it himself.

He was underrated in high school, but he threw a ton of TD’s. And he’s a coaches son…so there’s that.
Rumor has it that he got his hands on a Boise playbook his senior year of high school. When he knew they offense pretty well already Coach Pete was shocked to here that he had one. He obviously isn’t a spectacular athlete but he’s so cerebral…he’s definitely the smartest person on any field he steps on. The coaches always say it’s like having another coach on the field.

by Future_Demagogue on Dec 9, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

With all the quarterbacks in Texas, you're telling me

they won’t have a good one by 2014? Is this a talent evaulation thing? They best qb’s in college come from here. Makes no sense that the best school in the state can’t get one.

by TheRealDirtyP1 on Dec 2, 2011 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

It seems to me that the problem isn't the availability of talent....

but rather the decision making of our staff….and development of that talent.

GDGD Put his job on the line to get GG. We could have had quite a few other QB’s that are now doing quite well.

by e1 kabong on Dec 2, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally Agree

The staff needs to evaluate better the available talent and also to develop better the QB’s

There has been a good number of highly regarded QB’s come through here the last couple of years, and we cannot keep saying the kids are just not good QB’s( Its them, not us) Development takes time and has not been good as of recently…

by 4horns on Dec 2, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

An Opinion For What It's Worth

After being embedded in a great B&B in Virginia during Thanksgiving, without ESPN access and with the slowest IMAC in the free world, it was interesting to return, see TAMU game highlights, and look forwards to the end of the season.

One thing really struck me! I watched some of Mack’s post game comments and was struck by two things: he really looks older than his years, and he appears really fatigued. As a doc with some experience of looking upon folks visages, I wondered about his health. Of course, we all hope that’s not an issue. But…I do think this is a man who just might have reached his professional limit.

I’m placing a wager that we see only 2 more games from him. For sure, I’d love to see more; but if the time’s right, maybe we do need to move to new HC leadership to springboard from the great work Mack’s done here.

Hook’em…the Eyes will always be on you Mack – in a good and thankful way, regardless of what’s decided.

by pchorn on Dec 2, 2011 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

I think this makes a lot of sense

The hanging on until the very end like Bowden and Paterno is not good for anyone. Not the school, not the coach, and not the kids.

Look at the diffrence in energy between Muschamp/Diaz and Brown. This is a younger man’s game and college kids relate better to coaches closer in age.

Mack definitely earned the right to come back and show he still is the king. He has down that. He is a legend and we have been very lucky to have him leading our program. However, I do think the actual exit strategy should begin and that he should start looking at the best ways to move into an administrative role.

I really like the idea of Peterson coming to Austin.

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by Wrangler86 on Dec 2, 2011 2:24 PM CST reply actions  

Recruiting

Really loved Mack’s recruiting abilities to get many players to sign. I did not like the strategy for certain positions sometimes (Ex: generally 1 running back &/or 1 QB a class). It either worked out great or had to wait awhile till the next class to see if we can find a good player again. Running back position hurt us for the last several years because of this strategy, even though finally it is our strenght this year. Now, it seems to be a QB.

If he doe end up leaving, is it possible to have him stay in some capacity to help with recruiting? I think that is his strength…

by 4horns on Dec 2, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions  

Stay cautious, my friends

If we’re not careful, we’ll work ourselves up into an aggy-like echo chamber frenzy. I obviously don’t know the true identity of the Big Cigar, so I have no reason to doubt the veracity of his comments, but regardless…we just need to keep it toned down until there’s actual, you know, facts.

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by JoeT63 on Dec 2, 2011 2:29 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Selfishly hoping it's not true, but

If it is health related, or just burned out or tired, I wish Mack well and appreciate all he has given us, with Class. Hook ’EM Mack.

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 2, 2011 2:30 PM CST reply actions  

He could retire and retain a administrative position. He could help.recruit and having a grandpa on campus really helps the family atmisphere.

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by matthew62 on Dec 2, 2011 2:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

There's long been those rumors that he'd take over as AD

I would like that, I think.

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see Dodds stepping down

until the LHN is fully established. That’s his baby and he’s going to want to care for it into maturity.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 2, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point, and if Mack sees the LHN as a source of stress, he's not going to want to adopt it as AD

One wonders, though, if Dodds might be interested in a role in which he’d exclusively liaise between the department and LHN, as sort of a phase-out from AD-hood as well as an increased focus on rolling out the network.

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking a slightly smaller position. One that lets him just oversee some football related things but also allows him to recruit.

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by matthew62 on Dec 2, 2011 2:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

He can't recruit if he's not a coach

There is some restricted contact he could have with kids who come to campus, I believe, but that’s it. He couldn’t go on visits, show up in living rooms, etc.

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Did not know that.

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by matthew62 on Dec 2, 2011 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

OFF TOPIC, but...

Kendall Sanders committed to UT. Per 2012 WR Cayleb Jones’ twitter:

@Cayleb_JonesTx4: Longhorn nation welcome Kendall Sanders to the family! #HookEmHorns

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by BONation11 on Dec 2, 2011 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

Yipppeeee

I thought that news wouldn’t come until the banquet next week. AWESOME!!!

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by Wrangler86 on Dec 2, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a funny feeling in my pants..

That is freaking awesome!! Great news for sure.

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by mccoy12 on Dec 2, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

DeRuyter will coach A&M in their bowl game

Does that mean they can’t close the deal with Sumlin? Or does it mean that Sumlin intends to stay with UH through their bowl game?

Any athletics program that sees a television station as an existential threat will never be relevant.

by TCU'90 on Dec 2, 2011 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

By the way, getting back on topic . . .

I hope that all the scuttle about Mack is nothing more than that. He is a class act and has in my opinion raised the bar for all Texas-based football programs, which is one reason why A&M has failed so miserably.

Any athletics program that sees a television station as an existential threat will never be relevant.

by TCU'90 on Dec 2, 2011 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

GoBR....any truth to

A&M leaking the firing of Sherman to the media before notifying him? I heard he was told by the mother of a recruit while he was on a visit. If true….stay class College Station.

by jrod23mc on Dec 2, 2011 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

Well, they did just give him an extension

So that should have put him on notice they would give him the boot.

And, we all know that it is Sherman’s fault becuase he was really Texas’ puppet and purposely blew the games this year to make aggies look bad. Aggies are always the victim at all times and don’t forget that.

We're Texas, We're not OK.

by Wrangler86 on Dec 2, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

Well, now I am concerned ...

What about our recruits and efforts to get DGB? I would hate to see Mack go without a real smooth plan (and some notice, so we could honor him appropriately). I have always thought that he wants to win another MNC. Maybe he is close to the end and that’s especially why ’09 was so devastating and we had the yearlong hangover in ’10.

Also, I really, really like this staff. I think it’s the best that Mack has assembled. It would be a shame to lose them.

I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."

by Distributor of the Football on Dec 2, 2011 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

Don't you imagine?

Stoopsy is shiting his pants at the thought of Peterson coming to UT?" Dang I could of had OSU if Meyer stays put"

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 2, 2011 3:57 PM CST reply actions  

If Mack Brown were going to retire soon

He would have retired last year. Not worked harder than he ever had to work during an offseason at UT to put together a staff and keep recruits. The signs you are talking about can be seen at any school if you look closely enough. Nobody knows when Mack Brown is going to retire but Mack Brown.

by jdwall12 on Dec 2, 2011 4:08 PM CST reply actions  

sounds like

“The powers that be, Bill Powers, Deloss, IMG, and some influential boosters” are kinda a pain the bad end for Mack Brown and he doesn’t want to deal with it, not to mention the headache that the LHN is turning out to be. ESPN has done a horrible job with it in my eyes when most of the houses in Austin can’t even get it.

by osa1011 on Dec 2, 2011 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

Or any other place for that matter!
ESPN has done a horrible job with it in my eyes when most of the houses in Austin can’t even get it.

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 2, 2011 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

Under the table agreement...

Seems like Peterson to us, Harsin back to Boise, Major to OC, and please God Diaz stays.

Makes sense because Harsin is only renting so it could have been the agreement all along. Major has been learning to scheme like Harsin and Peterson did. When Peterson comes in, Major plays the same role Harsin did at Boise. I honestly think the only question is when…but no sense in freaking out about it.

by STLaw on Dec 2, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

I like the way this guy thinks

play chess? Work for that outfit in Langley?

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Dec 2, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

he seems too smart to be a Fed

According to Wikipedia You Don't Exist!

by horns1025 on Dec 2, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha!

I’m no fan of the McLean outfit, but from personal interfacing with them, I assure you that the the average analyst in the DI is going to intellectually dwarf most private-sector people.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov

by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Langley couldn't pay me enough!

Much too rational for them anyways…

by STLaw on Dec 2, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

One question?

Do you see black heliocopters circling your house at night too?

by OldBronco on Dec 2, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Latest rumor in twitter-verse...

is Mack Brown sent a letter to families of Texas players today saying any reports of him planning to retire are absolutely false.

take it for what you will.

by silky51 on Dec 2, 2011 5:44 PM CST reply actions  

Confirmed

http://twitter.com/#!/ChipBrownOB

Chip Brown stated on Twitter "OB has learned Mack Brown sent a letter to families of Texas players saying any reports of him planning to retire are “absolutely false!”

Mack is going to get us back to the top before he leaves. You can count on that one.

by LoneStarTexas on Dec 2, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I guess that settles it.

Mack being the true and honest man that he is. Now if we were aggies, which I’m glad were not, we would know something was about to happen.

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 2, 2011 6:25 PM CST reply actions  

Awesome ...

I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."

by Distributor of the Football on Dec 2, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

He's young, but I think Major is being groomed

to be next. He has great recruiting skills, game management ability, and bleeds burt orange. He is far less absurd than USC hiring Kiffen.

by cardboard on Dec 3, 2011 5:41 AM CST reply actions  

And Saban to Texas for $1 billion!

I think a lot of journalists are trolls.

When Mack does retire, I hope we get a worthy replacement, not another Coach Doggie Dicks Sideburns or John Mackovic. It would have better for both UT and Coach Boom if he’d stay.

"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant

Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.

by the thin red line on Dec 3, 2011 6:59 AM CST reply actions  

*been better

"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant

Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.

by the thin red line on Dec 3, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Job title

If we can create a Head-Coach-in-Waiting position for Muschamp, we can make Mack the Head Coach Emeritus or such and let someone else take the Head Coach title.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Dec 3, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

The last 2 games

I don’t feel good about the Baylor game considering the injury report on our RB’s, but what if we win the last 2 games, especially if McCoy also shows some definite improvement. Might not Mack feel alot better about the future and be more enthusiastic about staying?

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Dec 3, 2011 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

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