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Harsin: Joe Bergeron Won't Be Moving To Fullback in 2012

The search for fullbacks to replace Cody Johnson, who will graduate and likely head to the NFL, and Jamison Berryhill, who has opted to move on from football, will likely extend well into the spring for the Longhorns and will probably not include freshman running back Joe Bergeron, said Longhorn co-offensive coordinator Bryan Harsin on Monday.

Asked if there was any chance that Bergeron would step into the role, Harsin flatly said that it would not happen:

No. Could he do it? Yes. That is the thing. All those guys, the running backs that we have, are all a good size that could do those types of things we want at the fullback. That might be something that you can mix those guys up with that personnel group, but no. The way Joe has played and what he has done at tailback and Malcolm [Brown] and all those guys. It is what we have asked them to do, and it has been very effective for us when those guys are all healthy. That is a position he is going to continue to develop.

Star-divide

A feature back in high school, Bergeron was nonetheless expected to grow into a hybrid fullback/H-back role at Texas, but through a great deal of hard work both before and after his senior year of high school, Bergeron was able to trim some body fat and transform himself into a lean, mean, tackle-breaking machine.

After fellow frosh sensation Malcolm Brown suffered an injury early in fall camp, Bergeron created a great deal of buzz by performing at a level above and beyond nearly every expectation engendered by his three-star ranking by Rivals out of North Mesquite High School, quickly earning a reputation as a tough runner capable of trucking defenders at virtually any level.

And though he didn't get many opportunities early in the season with Fozzy Whittaker playing the best football of his career and Brown emerging after he shook his injury, when the opportunity to get more carries presented itself, Bergeron took full advantage against Kansas and Texas Tech, racking up most of his 454 yards on the season in those two games, including the 29-carry, 191-yard performance against the Red Raiders that led to a hamstring injury on his final run that limited him for the rest of the season.

With Johnson still in the fold for another game, a Brown/Bergeron pairing in the backfield is still in the future and will likely be something that Harsin tinkers with during the spring. As Harsin mentioned, both have the size to be effective at times as blockers, but it seems unlikely that Harsin would use either lined up in the fullback position and leading through the hole. It's a tough job and one that takes a significant physical toll.

Instead, it's much more likely that Harsin looks at the two situationally in pro sets with the two backs lined up on either side of the quarterback in the shotgun, a look that has increased in popularity in recent years, mostly in the high school game. In such looks, teams often run off-tackle sweep plays using the playside running back as the lead blocker.

Whatever the case, the Longhorns may have to find some other answers at fullback with the loss of Johnson and Berryhill, as junior Ryan Roberson was not particularly effective in limited doses this season. It's possible that another junior, Barrett Matthews, could see some time in that role after working as a lead blocker during the spring of 2010, a role that might fit the undersized tight end better than working as an in-line tight end. When he returns from his leave for personal reasons, freshman Chet Moss may also get a look at fullback, as he did early in the fall.

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I like Matthews at fullback

I think both Chet Moss and DLT should both get looks there also. DLT had some pretty good games at fullback for Ryan this past season.

Bergeron / Brown / Gray at running back is just filthy.

Well done GOBR.

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by billfromlaketravis on Dec 20, 2011 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

Thought about including DLT here

as I also believe that fullback will be his best chance of getting on the field at Texas other than special teams.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

After last year, who would have expected that Fozzy and CJ would be such integral parts of the team? It may not have been a perfect start for Harsin, but he certainly maximized value at in the backfield.

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by learned hand on Dec 20, 2011 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

I'm thinking I like that thought

Never thought about Matthews at FB, but definitely expect Moss and/or DLT to move to FB full time.

I would still love to see Bergeron paired with Brown or Gray in some situational pro-sets, and all three in the occasional diamond formation, but still want Bergeron as an everydown RB.

Hopefully, we don’t need Gray to go beyond 10-15 carries unless absolutely necessary. I’d love to limit his wear and save him for big games. I like the idea of having Bergeron and Brown split the heavy load, and have Gray take a little more emphasis to the Fozzy package.

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by The Audit Horn on Dec 20, 2011 10:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

knowing harsin and how...

…great he is at maximizing the talent in the locker room, i would bet everything I own that harsin will draw up a few plays which will have B&B&Gray all in backfield.

by vanterminatorhorn on Dec 20, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Easiest solution there

Is the diamond formation. B&B flanking the QB, John Gray deep. Wanted to see it more this year, and hope we expand it’s use next year.

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by The Audit Horn on Dec 20, 2011 4:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It's what I've been hoping for.

Gonna have to get DJ in there some too.

by robthecob on Dec 20, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Good, and bad, on Bergeron not becoming the primary fullback

Good — You covered it above

Bad — I’m afraid he may get “forgotten” as long as Brown and Gray are healthy. And JB is too talented for that.

As to finding a fullback, I think that’s one of the positions where you can grow and develop somebody without specifically recruiting a true fullback.

Matthews is intriguing, but he’s been intriguing — without a lot of excellence — for three years. McFarland has never played. Poehlmann seems too big; may not have the quicks. I wonder about Moss’ athleticism as a fullback. I’d love to see Whaley (yum yom) at FB; he spent a season at TE so he’s familiar with blocking. But Mack said, and I fully concur, Whaley belongs at defensive tackle.

by edsp on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 AM CST reply actions  

Moss has good straight-line speed,

which isn’t really the most important thing for a fullback, but he’s tough, which is. The area of concern for me would be his ability to change direction in the hole, as his lateral quickness and hips have always been a major question mark with him.

And with Matthews, it’s hard to speculate much about what he can do there without seeing how he performs in practice, but from a mental exercise perspective, it still seems like the best fit for him.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 20, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

whaley?

why do people want to move this guy around? He has shown some nice flashes of ability this yr at DT. Most of it accomplished on pure athletic ability. He probably has the highest upside of any DL, we currently have on the roster. I have no idea if he will ever develop the understanding and technique of the position, but if he does he will be special. DTs that move like him do not come along every often, I do not understand the rush to move him to a position like TE or FB. A good DT is worth, so much more than those positions. Seems like a complete waste of his athletic ability to put him in those positions

by codaxx on Dec 20, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Whaley.

I don’t think they want to move him from DT but not to use his athletic ability in certain situations would be a waste.

by b&g80 on Dec 20, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking selective usage

of Whaley at fullback. Think Houston and Miller and Lokey. Believe all 3 got snaps at FB, usually on the goal line or fourth-and-short type situations.

Whaley is intriguing in this regard because of exactly the explosiveness we saw in him as a pass rusher. That first step blast as a lead blocker for, say, Bergeron could create a bowling pins effect at the point of attack.

by edsp on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

my bad

I assumed you wanted a full time move to FB

by codaxx on Dec 20, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how

JB isn’t higher on the depth chart right now. These coaches aren’t worried about star rankings anymore. I wouldn’t just assume that MB is higher.

by 40A on Dec 20, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Cody

did not fully grasp the position at the first of the year. Berryhill was clearly better. But Cody continued to improve and played his way into a shot at the pros. We have enough potential to find that guy this year.

by b&g80 on Dec 20, 2011 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

Bergeron deserves it...

…im glad Harsin is giving the kid his due, although its not difficult to do it after the performance he has given the burnt orange faithful this yr. the kid was marginalized behind Brown but he has shown amazing poise and work ethic to keep working and waiting for his chance and capitalizing when that chance came. He is an amazing example to everyone on the team, old and new that hardwork in the gym, patience off it, and performing when it matters can result is starting next to a 5 star sensation rather than living under his shadow.
I love Brown, but Bergeron is the kind of guy you more than love because he has shown maturity and broken the shakles of so-so back reputation. Pushing him back to FB would be a sin because it would risk injury, more than anything in my opinion.
We will find someone to do Cody’s job, Im sure. Whaley cant do it, never really though of Chet doing it, but can certainly see DLT as FB.

by vanterminatorhorn on Dec 20, 2011 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

MB, JG, JB

Thunder, Lightning, and ???

by 2th DK on Dec 20, 2011 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

power surge

"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"

/Holland.

by BEW on Dec 20, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Mean Joe

“Too easy. No, that is TOO easy!”

by robthecob on Dec 20, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Quake?

He hits pretty hard and moves the pile…

by dec3169 on Dec 20, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Frightening

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Dec 20, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

How ’bout Hail, bet spell it “Hell”.

by Alaskanhorn on Dec 20, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the traditional role of a fullback

is very limiting. Like Harsin said, what he can do with Bergeron in personnel groupings and lining him up creates many more match up problems and increases versatility with formations and such. If it were me, when I have both Bergeron and Brown in the game I would go out of Pistol and have Brown as the set back and Bergeron in either a wing or strong I look and I would run misdirection traps with Bergeron all day long. I’d show stretch and zone with Brown and come back with traps with Bergeron.

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by CoachEtch on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions  

Moose was, 1st & foremost, a lead blocker.

Bergeron is not. He’s obviously got a real gift of carrying the football. If all he wanted to do was block – and he was really good at it – then the coach never would have come out and said that.

by robthecob on Dec 20, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Really like the formation drawn up

I’ve really grown fond of the formation with a pistol base and a lead/H-back flanking the QB. It’s the very natural progression of the pistol formation with the flexibility of an additional back.

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by The Audit Horn on Dec 20, 2011 5:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Awesome news!

Joe is too big a threat to turn into more of a blocker/short yardage spcialist. What i don’t understand, however, and I’ve been saying this for months, is why with all our scholarship spots…and our new openness to JUCO transfers why we can’t just go up to the Midwest and find a true fulback. I hear there’s this magical, horrible, place called Ohio…let’s just send a graduate assistant up to find us a real fullback…

by KevinJ on Dec 20, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

In other news

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by run Bevo run on Dec 20, 2011 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe Harsin has seen

Brown with lingering injuries off and on this season and decided not to put all his eggs in the Brown basket?

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 20, 2011 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

I think the later part of this season showed that we shouldn't

With 3 running backs going down within a 3 week span (who would have ever thought that could happen), I don’t blame him at all. Joe B is too talented to discard.

If we had all three backs on the field at the same time next year, I would LOVE to see Stoops face as he scrambles to call a TO.

by GoHorns on Dec 20, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope we trot out the shotgun

with Ash and B&B against Cal. Safety valve passes are possible in this formation, too, and Ash can be a third runner. Assume two wideouts and one tight, and it is versatile enough for a run oriented team to mix in a little passing. 15-20 passes, not 30-40, however. Not for either of our QBs this year.

I have seen enough of Joe to think he is a capable receiver on the safety valve. I have seen both of them block, so on the sweeps I would expect a good lead effort. The Mason Walters side of the line is stronger, isn’t it? That may be a bit of a problem for establishing the run – unidirectionality.

by MarkInAustin on Dec 20, 2011 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

not sure about Bergeron yet

He hasn’t played that much and the teams he played against were horrible (TT and Kansas). I still think he’s a FB in the future.

by Longhorns84 on Dec 20, 2011 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

I agree.

Just too slow, especially considering MBrown and JGray will be here. Just because he might be a fullback, doesn’t mean that he still can’t be a huge part of the running game, aside from blocking. Mike Alstott, maybe? I’m wondering that this move to keep him at tailback is more reflective of him not quite being able to be the lead blocker they had envisioned him to be. Maybe they want someone more like Armard Hall?

by robthecob on Dec 20, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

J. Gray Will Be the Man

This time next year there will be a trivia question – who were those freshmen backs from 2011? Malcolm takes a 4 yard run and uses great vision to turn it into a 8 yard run. Gray takes a 4 yard run, uses vision and speed to take it to the house.

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by realmccoy on Dec 20, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more about Gray

My God, people, have any of you actually watched his clips? Can you not tell he is like the 11 year old singer Jackie Evancho – something extraordinarily special?

Hell, even as a HS RB, he is better than either of our backs THIS year!

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 20, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Now, now, take it easy!

Better than our present backs?! C’mon, man. He only had 205 TDs in his career.

by robthecob on Dec 21, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Huge amount of expectations on an incoming

freshman who hasn’t played a down of collegiate football in his life. Where have I heard this story before???

:)

by 40A on Dec 21, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do people always do this when it comes to HS players?

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 21, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL - It's a curse I can't shake
Why do people always do this when it comes to HS players?

I’ll tell you another, should we get him, is DGB. HE is better than any of the receivers we have now.
Special talent is not that hard to identify. What is hard is figuring out those that are head and shoulders above everyone like Gray and DGB are.
Earl Campbell, Peterson, Ricky Williams – was there ever any doubt about them coming out of high school? They were special just like the Gray kid.

Hell yeah, we know he hasn’t played a down of college ball – so what? You can’t tell he is a better running back than either one we have now? Really? This tells me that you either have never played football or you haven’t watched clips OR you don;t believe the national and state records he has set.

Be happy, man. We have a once in a lifetime player heading for our campus next year.

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 22, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I wish there was a way to correct our remarks

“What is hard is figuring out those that are NOT head and shoulders above everyone like Gray and DGB are.”

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by Snide Aside on Dec 22, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I think people misunderstand it

I do not think DGB or Gray will come in and take over. I think they will slowly be developed and have a light load. By OU time I can gray gettign 10-15 carries. No need to give him more and that implies maybe 20-25 total plays. DGB has 3-5 plays called for him specifically and out there the same 20-25 plays. IF they exceed that great. I would bet on more plays for DGB than Gray. I think that both can really help the offense stretch the field. That is all I am saying. I am not in the camp that Gray gets 1000-1500 yds and DGB is all-conference, just solid contributors

by codaxx on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

You're crazy.

No way DGB comes here if we tell him he’s getting 3-5 plays called for him. That’s just crazy. Same for Gray. You think, during recruiting, we told him by OU he would only carry the ball 10 times? No way.

by 40A on Dec 22, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

who many plays

can you call specific for a wr?

by codaxx on Dec 22, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I would say

most designed passing plays should either have him as primary or secondary receiver. Nothing under the second option in any read.

by 40A on Dec 22, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

gray

didnt gray come here because he wanted to share the load and not get beat up in college or was that someone else?

by codaxx on Dec 22, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

He did - but I also believe this -

If we get DGB, Harsin will find a way to get him the ball more than 3-5 times a game. He will have to because he, along with Gray, are not only game changers – they are season changers!

Both of these kids can take it to the house at any given time.

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 22, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

i said plays specifically for him

that does not mean he is not in for 15-20 passing plays. Specifically for him was intended to be things like screens and reverses that guarantee him the ball

by codaxx on Dec 22, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Ummm

we wouldn’t work DGB on reverses or screens. He is a vertical type of player. We have Thomas Johnson, Shipley, etc for those types of plays.

by 40A on Dec 22, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

hope we get to see

I dont like Shipley much in the screen and reverse game. Other than you have to give him a few to set up those beautiful passes. I think he is more chain mover than playmaker. If the scouts are right about DGB and he is the next Calvin Johnson/Moss type guy. You will want him to get a few screens and reverses.

by codaxx on Dec 22, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Why?

It’s a waste. Let other capable players take those to set up vertical plays for DGB.

by 40A on Dec 22, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

waste?

If you are saying giving a guy with other wordly athletic ability the ball on a screen or a reverse is a waste than you have absolutely no business even watching football. Calvin Johnson is still getting reverses and screens, because he is great in the open field. The fact that you would waste a guy like that just throwing low percentasge deep vertical pass is assinine

by codaxx on Dec 22, 2011 10:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The fact that we can even argue over the merits of DGB at UT is like music to my ears

Who would have ever thunk it?

Here is hoping, come Feb., that all of us don’t get our hearts broken and DGB signs with someone else.

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 23, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

How do you know Gray is better?

Five-star guys who look like the best-ever fizzle all the time. He may or may not pan out. Same with DGB. A lot of people, not necessarily you, said Darius White was better than anyone on the roster not named Jordan Shipley, and we know how that went. There’s no sense in projecting a HS player to be better than a guy like Malcolm Brown or Joe Bergeron at this point.

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 22, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

First, let me say this

I understand your reasons for not wanting to annoint a HS player and want to tap the brakes a little.

Here is why I say what I say:
http://espn.go.com/blog/high-school/football/post/_/id/4186/johnathan-gray-named-mr-football-usa

http://espn.go.com/high-school/football/story/_/id/7322814/johnathan-gray-named-gatorade-national-football-player-year

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1308243

I could post more, but you should get the point by now. He is a once in a lifetime player – Brown and Bergeron were not.

He is a player that makes coaches millionaires and coaching legends. Darious White could not carry his jock strap,
Is this just a bunch of rhetoric? Maybe, but check his HS records again and name me ONE PLAYER in the last 30 years that matched him!

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 22, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Just to play devil's advocate,

if he is as good as you say, why is he 6th according to rivals and 8th according to scout?

The player you are touting is number one in every poll ever made!

by 40A on Dec 22, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

The last 30yrs?

What about Garrett Gilbert, who was also the gatorade national player of the year? And what makes you think Gray’s better than, say, Adrian Peterson was?

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by burntorangehorn on Dec 22, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

That doesn't dictate who's a better recruit

It simply speaks to who was the more productive player at the high school level. A lot of that has more to do with system than anything else. As for Peterson, you’ll have to look up his high school career.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov

by burntorangehorn on Dec 23, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL - Godalmighty - do you not WANT Gray?

Have you even watched Gray’s clips? Because, if you have, you would know he was not playing in a “system”. Sure, his coach was smart enough to feed him the ball, any coach would have.

Why should I look up Petersons HS records? Gray’s record mean RECORD – that means unsurpassed.

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 23, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

There's such a thing as not being extreme about something

Just because I’m pointing out the ridiculous hyperbole in calling a guy the zomgbestestever doesn’t mean I don’t think the guy’s a great recruit. Is there room for no shade of grey between black (thinking Gray’s the almighty and ultimate football player) and white (not wanting Gray to be a Longhorn) in your world?

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 23, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

You no like hyperbole? You seem mad.

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 23, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Look, I'm simply offering my opinion

That’s what blogs are all about.

Is my opinion correct? Only time will tell. I just know, as an opinion, it is as correct as yours.

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 23, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Think it's different

There’s success because you’re simply faster/stronger than the opponent. Bergeron didn’t show he’s simply outrunning Tech/KU defenders, or only running them over. He showed very nice patience and nice identification finding gaps.

What surprised me, and what may be his best asset, his he showed a lot of wiggle in the hips and incredible balance. That kind of ability will help regardless of opponent.

I don’t think he’s better than Brown or Gray, but I think he starts at Texas 08-10 without question. He’s a good back, and brings a unique skill-set.

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by The Audit Horn on Dec 20, 2011 5:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL - Rivals and Scout?

I would bet these are web sites that our previous coaches used to recruit from the last few years. Besides, Rivals is a homer site for the SEC and Scout has been basically clueless since it’s inception.

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 22, 2011 1:57 PM CST reply actions  

SEC homer site?

What gives you that idea? Also, what would you consider a superior alternative to either of those sites?

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov

by burntorangehorn on Dec 22, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't you ever listen to rivals radio?

A superior alternative would the coaches getting off their collective butts and doing their own groundwork and evaluations!

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 22, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't listen to it anymore because I haven't bothered to move my Sirius radio into my current car

I bought a lifetime subscription back in about 2004, but I haven’t listened to Sirius since at least 2008.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov

by burntorangehorn on Dec 23, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I know it, I screwed up - shit!

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 22, 2011 2:31 PM CST reply actions  

going back to Gray - Let ME play a little devil's advocate.

You are recruiting for UT this year – who do YOU think is the #1 pick in the nations and what player could your opponents pick that would beat you?

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 22, 2011 2:34 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not sure what that matters

Are you arguing that Gray’s the best player in the nation, or the best recruit for Texas, or that he’s already better than the mega-talented five-star Brown and high-impact Bergeron, or what? You’re all over the map here. I don’t think Gray is likely the best recruit in the nation, let aloner the best in the past 30yrs. And if the argument were about the guy who could help the program the most, DGB might be there, but Gray wouldn’t, because Texas has great talent at RB already. I would sooner say Kiel, Peat, Theus, and while I haven’t seen as much on or of him, Humphries, because tackle and QB are areas of great need. Or maybe a top DT.

Don’t get me wrong, though. While I don’t think Gray’s necessarily a better player now than Brown, I sure don’t mind that he’s going to be a Horn. He’s definitely a great talent who should bring additional dimensions to the offense, and obviously he has a great chance of being a star.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov

by burntorangehorn on Dec 22, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

For Texas

My Christmas list:
DGB top wr
Edwards: we need DE
The us: top tackle
Landon collins
Torisho

by codaxx on Dec 22, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I would be delirously happy

if we just got DGB and Edwards

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 22, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

True - I needed to be more explicit

Let me put it this way – I think Gray is the best RUNNING BACK in the last 30 years!
In addition, I think Gray is the best PROGRAM changer in the last ten years.

I’m not denigrating Brown or Bergeron – not at all. Both of these kids are great and Brown was the most highly sought after back last year. Great as he is, he is just not in the same class as Gray. The state and national records don’t lie! Gray has them, Brown and Bergeron don’t.
You are promoting Kiel, Peat and Theus – linemen all. Throughout the history of college football there have been many game changers – however, I can’t remember a single one that was a lineman.
As far as DGB – love him and would kill to have him. But someone STILL has to deliver the ball to him to get his full benefit. That being said, even McCoy can hand off to Gray and if necessary Gray can be the recipient of a pass as well. In other words, he is more versatile than DGB and therefore more valuable in that respect.
As far as UT’s needs – we need a competant QB and it’s as simple as that.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to post up on you and put you down for your opinions.
Afterall, we are both on the same side and Gray is coming anyway.

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 22, 2011 6:14 PM CST reply actions  

If you don't think Texas would benefit more from getting the top 2011 OT recruit than the top 2011 RB recruit...

…then we’re just miles apart, because I’m saying that Brown and Bergeron are excellent backs, whereas OT has been a weakness at UT for the better part of a decade. Texas already has elite talent at RB, and adding the top RB in the class (no, not top in 30yrs.—that’s insanely ridiculous to say at this point) to that isn’t going to help the team more than adding the top tackle to a team that doesn’t seem to have an elite player at that position.

I really think Gray’s playing the role of the grass on the other side right now, and it may or may not be greener.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 23, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, kiel fixed then

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 22, 2011 6:37 PM CST reply actions  

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"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 23, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Success!

;)

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov

by burntorangehorn on Dec 23, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

And, FYI, I was a huge Asimov fan - along with Ray Bradbury

So see, we aren’t that different, after all. :-)

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 23, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

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