Baylor Bears Blast Texas Longhorns 48-24
by TXStampede on Dec 3, 2011 6:03 PM CST
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Coming into the game the test would be Baylor's electric, quick-strike offense against the vaunted Texas defense. Robert Griffin III ran for two touchdowns and passed for another two. He managed the game effectively and efficiently and hit the young Longhorn defensive backs on crossing routes, boundary routes, and speed routes. The entire RGIII arsenal was on display for the entire Heisman voting nation. He lived up to the billing.
He proved he deserves the Heisman. With an exclamation mark.
While true, his counterpart, Case McCoy, had a topsy-turvey game looking good in spots but the mistakes (ie. 5 turnovers) were crippling as Baylor turned them into 27 points.
Texas actually got it going in the 2nd quarter and led 21-14 and only trailed by three 24-21 at halftime. The 3rd quarter started promising but back-to-back interceptions netted the Bears 10 points. Combine that with another 80 yardish drive and the game for the most part was over.
The Longhorns were not going to win a track meet today, in spite of their 557 yards of offense. When the game forced our passing hand, and the pressing started, the wheels came off and the mistakes started coming in droves.
As for that vaunted Texas defense? Well, they just could not get any push against that 1,500+ lb Baylor Line and RGIII had pretty much all day to do his bidness. They did finish with a sack and an interception.
Credit the Baylor coaching staff for drawing up a great game plan and executing it to perfection. And credit their defense. They had been maligned, maybe unfairly, for giving up too many big plays this year. But that defense made the big plays of the game today, especially when the opportunities presented themselves.
PB will have more later. This is your 2011 regular season finale commiseration thread.
Hook' em and probably see you out west somewhere.
Note: There is no Mack Brown press conference on Monday. We'll have to wait for bowl game week.
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Texas.
I am forced to conclude that God made Texas on his day off, for pure
entertainment, just to prove that all that diversity could be crammed into one
section of earth by a really top hand
Fight.
(Sheesh….had to complete that one myself?)
I am forced to conclude that God made Texas on his day off, for pure
entertainment, just to prove that all that diversity could be crammed into one
section of earth by a really top hand
HOOK 'EM
"If you want to surf, move to Hawaii. If you like to shop, move to New York. If you like acting and Hollywood, move to California. But if you like college football, move to Texas."
-- Ricky Williams
I pin the responsibility for McCoy's fumble on the center...he snapped it too soon
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
You are right about the mistakes and I can't think of player, offense or defense, that didn't make at least one.
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
I blame 2 of his INTs
on poor play calling. One of them was on a 3rd and 13 after running on 1st and 2nd down when you’re down by 14. The 2nd was on 3rd and 8, also after running on 1st and 2nd down. I dont understand. Harsin would rather run on 1st and 2nd with his 4th string RB instead of trying to run a slant pattern? Does he think he’ll get more yards out of the 4th string RB? There is a reason Hills is a junior and not starting
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Dec 3, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
I agree....but it was also a bad decision on McCoy's part to try to force the ball into
the reciever.
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
Can we get a BON expert to scrutinize Brewer and Overstreet?
We must turn all our guns on that position. Are they the best we can do? If not, who should we go after like a spider monkey?
All I want for Christmas is a quarterback recruit.
by WreckerTex on Dec 3, 2011 6:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
keep the faith guys
we’ll be back.
sidenote i asked God for a Texas win today…should have been more specific as to which sport
In The Morning To You
That doesn't work.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
I'm with you
I’m looking forward to whatever bowl game we play and I’m also thankful for finishing 7-5. In my opinion, we only lost one game we should have won (Missouri), but we won one we shouldn’t have (A&M). Hopefully we win our bowl game and finish 8-5, a hell of an improvement over last year.
That attitude Can hurt us
if Macks gone then what
Have to agree.
I have a hard time defending him, but it’s fair to acknowledge that he has almost an entirely new coaching staff this year, coming out of one of the worst seasons in UT history with the youngest team in recent memory…compounded by a mind-numbing frequency of injuries.
It’s not fair or reasonable to call for Mack’s head.
I am forced to conclude that God made Texas on his day off, for pure
entertainment, just to prove that all that diversity could be crammed into one
section of earth by a really top hand
That depends
Whoever, is repsonsible for recruiting the last 4 UT QB’s needs to go. Was that Mack or someone else?
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
Not only poor evaluation, but politics in QB recruiting (just like everything else)
GG being a Lake Travis product made Mack more reluctant to bench him, given a relationship with his parents. Brewer’s interest is certainly boosted by his sister being here
Cant blame them for recruiting GG
He was a 5 star recruit across the board. He just didnt pan out.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Unknown
Not yet. He is the 2nd best coach UT has ever had.
But if Petersen is the replacement…..Then I’ll get over the sting pretty quickly, I think.
All I want for Christmas is a quarterback recruit.
By the way, score was 48-24 not 28
Looks like a closer game, though LOL
"If you want to surf, move to Hawaii. If you like to shop, move to New York. If you like acting and Hollywood, move to California. But if you like college football, move to Texas."
-- Ricky Williams
Heisman voting
As much as RGIII deserves it, there is slim-to-no chance he will win.
Prior to today, Richardson followed by Luck both had more than twice as many tentative votes as RGIII (>1800 vs <800). Playing for Baylor is a big disadvantage.
Similar to the coaches poll, and less so AP, half the voters probably don’t even watch the games they should.
I suspect most were tuned in to the SEC championship game today
not the Texas-Baylor game
Only Mack
could get 5 star recruits to get blasted by Baylor two years in a row and by some team from Manhattan Kansas 4 times in a row
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Ah yes
Because the university of texas should be ecstatic not to finish 5-7. if that’s what our expectations have come to than it proves my point
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by Firegregdavis on Dec 3, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
........dude we are rebuilding someone has already pointed this out
you dont go from 5-7 to Championship calibre in one year
In The Morning To You
I guess it's too much to ask
for the school with the biggest athletic budget in the nation as well as the highest paid college coach to field a descent football team year in and year out. Nick Saban doesn’t go 5-7 and Bob stoops still managed to go 8-5 with a backup quarterback because both of those coaches don’t rebuild they reload and they sure as hell dont have consecutive loosing years in their confrences
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by Firegregdavis on Dec 3, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Nick Saban lost to ULM in 2007
and again what the hell does the athletic budget have to do with anything?
In The Morning To You
Yeah in his first year with Shula's recruits
Brown lost to Iowa State, Baylor (2 years in a row) and UCLA with his recruits in his 13th year. And we pay him 5 million for that bullshit. Mack Brown is the greatest thing to ever happen to Oklahoma as shown by his abysmal 5-9 record against them and the fact that they have 7 conference championships (8 tonight) in 11 years and Mack has 2 in 14 years.
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by Firegregdavis on Dec 3, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
well then go cheer for Oklahoma your ignoring the facts
and the facts are before Brown got here we werent anything special and nobody blinked when we had losing seasons or lost more than 3 games. now people do and the reason why is because Mack Brown lifted this program up and put back where it belongs
In The Morning To You
No, your ignoring facts
John Mackovic had as many conference titles in 6 years as Brown has in 14 years…….. read that sentence again and let it sink in. So I guess if “we werent anything special” back than.. well we sure as hell aren’t now. Your default argument will be about the MNC in 05 but we all know that was all VY who was a transcendent and once in a generation player. Say what you want about Stoops but his teams don’t go 5-7 and they sure as hell dont go .500 for a two year stretch.
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by Firegregdavis on Dec 3, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
would you rather lose in a BCS bowl or win the alamo bowl?
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by Firegregdavis on Dec 3, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather be Texas any day than ou
Whats the point of getting to the BCS bowl if your going to get beat their
no my default argument is that we win more than 6 games a year now. and that with Mack we won 10 games a year every year for 10+ years
and we arent .500 right now. and seriously if you like Stoops so much go cheer for OU
In The Morning To You
Buddy
cheering for Mack Brown= cheering for Ou.
Oklahoma fans love Mack for obvious reasons that get shown every October in Dallas. I hate the shit out of Oklahoma but Bob stoops has owned Mack and that is just an objective fact…..albeit a painful one
9-5…..7-2……55-17
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by Firegregdavis on Dec 3, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
is the only game you care about the OU game?
thats what aggies do they base their coaches futures on whether or not they beat Texas they focus all their energy on beating Texas. we dont want to be like the aggies and focus all our energy on one rival
In The Morning To You
No but we are about to turn into Florida State
A coach past his prime drags his team into obscurity….. Except FSU didnt pay Bowden 5 million fucking dollars for pure mediocrity. And if you think this is a two year blip than you will be sadly mistaken because the next couple years are going to be rough
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by Firegregdavis on Dec 3, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
No
I just looked at our quarterbacks….. Ash and Mccoy are terrible and Brewer will take a while to develop.
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by Firegregdavis on Dec 3, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Or he could end up like Gilbert
In the end this is all speculation but right now our qb situation is abysmal and we are going to have to put all of our eggs in a basket with Brewer and see how he does because Ash and Mccoy are not Ut material
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by Firegregdavis on Dec 3, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
or he could be the greatest QB since VY
you dont know now you’re just being ridiculous
In The Morning To You
Matt Barkley
went 8-4 his freshmen year at USC. Freshmen QBs can come in and play. Im not saying Brewer is Barkley, but if he’s slightly better than McCoy or Ash I say start him. I could care less who starts at what position as long as the TEAM comes away with a W
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Dec 3, 2011 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
so what your saying is you dont know the future?
so you’re guessing? ok im guessing you’re wrong
In The Morning To You
Im not guessing
im making a conjecture based off our ineptitude at the most important position in sports.if you think we can run 95% of the time next year and not have to throw you are bat shit delusional. We are going to have to throw and we don’t have the people to do it and to trust Brewer to be our savior is ridiculous. I’m sure in your unrealistic mind we are going to go 13-0 next year by playing 1940’s football and curb stomp everyone
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by Firegregdavis on Dec 3, 2011 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
no i dont think we are going 13-0
but i dont think we will go 7-5 either and im not assuming that our new players are gonna suck before they take a snap. and we dont need to throw for 3000 yards every year Alabama didnt in 2009 they threw as little as possible same with this year’s LSU team they dont beat you by throwing it every down
In The Morning To You
Dude, you are a negator
the team has had a bad year and a mediocre year, and you are calling for the head of the coach that won 10+ games for a decade as a rule and runs a clean program that we all can be proud of. You are jumping the gun on on the pitch forks and torches. My guess is you are tire of your outdate screen name and are laying down the groundwork to change it to Firemackbrown.
they went from
Championship caliber to 5-7 in one season. Why cant they go from 5-7 to at least a 9 win team with the level of recruits they’re bringing in? I never expected this team to win the Big XII this year, but only having 2 more wins this year than they had last year and still looking bad on offense isnt good.
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Dec 3, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
and look what we lost prior to that 5-7
Colt McCoy, Jordan Shipley, Sergio Kindle, Earl Thomas lots of lost talent that we havent been able to fully replace yet.
In The Morning To You
I hear you
but 5-7? 5 wins and 7 losses when you have consistant top 10 recruiting classes? Like I said, I can understand losing those players and going 7-5 the following year, but 5-7? What does that say about everyone else on the team?
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Dec 3, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
I know
sometimes I only have myself to blame for being upset. But Texas football is suppsed to be the exception. I dont ecpect them to win the conference every year, just look like you know what you’re doing out there. I get more upset when they beat themselves.
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Dec 3, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
eh it happens
especially with young teams itll get better man. we saw improvement from the team this year and we will see lots more next year
In The Morning To You
I agree about the improvement except
with the QBs. They haven’t improved with the rest of the team. Maybe not enough snaps since they’ve been sharing the job, but they still seem to have trouble with the basics. But I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt until next spring. And the WRs need to learn how to catch, except for Shipley.
I agree
I think sometimes these WRs are making the QBs look a little worse than they actually are. Same with the O line.
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Dec 3, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
also if you look at the statistics
with B&B out and Fozzy out we lost 58% of our offensive production
In The Morning To You
we didnt get blasted last year the final was 30-22 hardly a blasting
and KSU was a very close game and if 2 plays go our way we win
In The Morning To You
Up here in Ohio that is the common opinion of Mack Brown
Gets less out of good athletes than any other coach in the country. Not sure I completely agree as the last two years remind me of the mid sixties when I was in school and DKR was head coach. Three years of mediocre Longhorn teams after a MNC followed up by a 10-1 season with a victory over Alabama in the Orange Bowl. In 1968 the drought ended an we won two more MNCs. Hopefully history will repeat itself soon for Mack
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
You rarely bounce back from a losing season to a championship season in one year.
I can be a little more patient than some of you I guess. Probably comes from being an old fart and watching texas suffer through the pre-Mack Brown years.
I was disappointed in our line making so many mistakes and putting our offense in long situations. That can create mistakes. Case had a great first half. Really proud. A ball with more zing is less likely to get picked off. Second half showed that. At least the balls weren’t behind the receivers on crossing patterns. better than Ash I guess. I wonder where he would have been by now if he had the whole season at the helm instead of in and out and off and on…. Just curious.
I do blame the refs a little. They called a very one sided game. But we made enough of our own mistakes that it makes that issue go away a little in my mind.
On to a bowl victory. we need the extra practice. Good luck to RGIII. He played a great game against a really good defense.
3rd Degree Longhorn
by Ohio Horn on Dec 3, 2011 6:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
dude i was born in 1991 i cant even remember the pre Brown years but ive done my research
and you are correct 100%. people need to look back at what we were like BEFORE Mack came to Texas. they need to realize that it could be SO much worse.
In The Morning To You
indeed
we forgot what it feels like to not be top dog. we need to remember how bad we could be and how bad we would be if didnt have Mack at the helm. every program goes through a period like this but we are extremely lucky in that we have a coach like Mack who sees the problems and takes steps to correct those problems even if it mieans totally redoing the staff. this is a young team and they need time to fully mature and develop. hell half of our best players were in high school last year. the progress they have made in one season has been astounding and they have made progress even in losses
In The Morning To You
Mack had to retool the staff due to pressure from boosters & other admin
It took “only” 13 years to get rid of GD
Frustration
66-3 was one of my first Texas games ever so I know the lows. However, I don’t think its not winning a championship this year that has people frustrated, I think its the fact that the laziness and entitlement that Mack has admitted to allowed the program to fall off so far especially at QB that there’s not much hope in the short term. If people thought we could improve again next year I don’t think they’d be so upset, but no one is confident that we have an answer at the most pivotal position until maybe 2014. That’s why they’re upset. Not saying Mack should go, but I understand the frustration.
'Til Gabriel blows his horn...
With a solid QB at the beginning of the season
Or even without. With no injury to Fozzy, Brown or JoeB we finish our season much stronger. As it was, this isn’t Mack Brown. This is “the breaks”.
3rd Degree Longhorn
How has Gideon started 4 years at Texas
and never missed a game for injury. We have great RBs that should be playing and they miss half the year with injuries.
If their was ever a guy that needed to lose his job to a younger guy it was Blake.
I use to call Gideon 1 step
I coined that phrase back in 08 after TT. He always seemed to be 1 step off the big play
The positive flip side
is that the Baylor -3 spread was ridiculous and allowed me to make a lot of money (just like the K State game).
Head>Heart
That said, I in no way support anyone saying it’s time for Mack to leave. Except for the QB position, we have pretty solid prospects for next year. And I have some confidence that Case or Ash could become at least a decent game manager—and perhaps something better.
We were not as good as some people thought this year (although the RB injuries and Shipley injury didn’t help things). And we’re not as bad (especially as relates to next year’s team) as some people are now suggesting.
Case and Point
Need to work out hard in the off season
shit with a brother in the nfl he should be alot better than he is im just saying
Look at shipley
to everyone saying Mack needs to go id recommend to you the following books
Long Live The Longhorns by Kirk Bohls and John Maher which covers Longhorn history up to 1992. focus on the period after Darrell Royal left. aside from a few years here and there (like 1977) nothing really to write home about. Mack lifted us from mediocrity back to relevance
In The Morning To You
Akers had some good teams...but then there was that losing season and out he went.
I’ve always thought that it was a big mistake to fire Freddy…cause we got McWilliams and misery for five years. And then six years of Mackovic and continued misery except for a couple of years. In assessing Texas football coaches since D X Bilble I would put Mack up with DKR. So lets don’t encourage his departure any time soon. Although I suspect many big shot Longhorn fans are or will be communicating the UT powers that Mack should go.
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
lol yea man Akers wasnt bad at all compared to what came after him
talk about wandering in the wilderness
In The Morning To You
Akers had some great defensive teams
Maybe the credit should go to Leon Fuller. But offensively (except for the ‘77 season) they were pretty anemic. One thing in common with today: no standout quarterback. Some guys had talent and flashes of brilliance, but nothing sustained. After being accustomed to Royal’s big offense teams, fans got frustrated. All it took was the thud of a single muffed punt to lose Akers a national championship. So what if the defense could hold the opponent to just 10 points; the offense could manage just nine. But about now I’d be happy to trade Ash and McCoy and every child they ever have for Randy MacEachern.
Earl was a senior that year and the press was referring the Longhorns a Lear Jets
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
And we could have very easily had MNC in both 77 and 83.
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
If that had happened
he would have been a hero of Texas fans forever, if not the UT football program itself. I remember “Akers and Akers of Cotton”, but it wasn’t enough.
Yes I remember the Akers of Cotton bumper stickers
I just moved from San Antonio to Dayton Ohio in spring of 77 and then drove back to Dallas to watch the Cotton Bowl game with ND. To be honest with you, I didn’t think too highly of Akers during that long drive back to Ohio the day after the game.
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
You weren't alone!
It sure looked like Fred neglected to tell the offensive line that we had a game to play that day.
With the exception of Earl, the Horns were just plain flat for that game.
Brad Shearer our Outland Trophy winner was just manhandled all day by ND
Great players make great coaches, but great coaches make champions." DKR circa 1964
Yes
They didn’t look at all like the team that played during the regular season. This sounds stupid, but I recall the night before the game I dreamed that I turned on the TV late, it was the second half and MacEachern was desperately throwing the ball downfield. Then I saw the score: 28 – 0. One of the few premonitions in a dream that came true, sadly.
Fart!
I've been fueling my dreams eating greens and beans...
by 16thLonghorn on Dec 3, 2011 6:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Credit the Baylor offense and Griffin
Great game plan, almost flawless execution from RG3. That’s not to excuse our defense because they should have played better, but Griffin is the best player in the country and he showed it. We weren’t going to hold them under thirty points even if our defense played really well.
Our offense, despite that great start, showed again why we desperately need to get healthy and need to figure out the QB situation. This is a really, really bad Baylor defense. We should cough up the ball six times to them and score only 24 points. That’s just… wow.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 3, 2011 6:38 PM CST reply actions
Silver Lining
Any chance this performance takes some of the luster off Diaz and he gets passed over for HC jobs?
'Til Gabriel blows his horn...
Anybody else kinda happy with losing Muschamp
I don’t think he was the defensive guru that he was thought to be and we pick up Diaz which seems to be better than what he showed at Miss. St.
I like Diaz
That doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate what Muschamp did. Muschamp did a superb job here, so I wasn’t happy with losing him.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 3, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Oh no don't get me wrong
Muschamp did an excellent job here, but i’m not sure he could handle the head coaching job here and thats what he was in line for if he had stayed.
I like the CBS color commentator's idea for the BCS
similar to my idea but cut in half. Top 6 teams advance to a playoff. Top 2 seeds are conference champions and get BYEs. Rest of the bowl system stays intact.
by goingforthecorner on Dec 3, 2011 6:57 PM CST reply actions
+1
Saw this too – short and simple.
Wikipedia that shit - don't be ignorant...
by isoldmycopilot on Dec 3, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
Its good
but I feel bad making the kids play a potential 16 games a year with no pay. Give the kids some sort of a bonus if they make the playoffs.
these kids all have
Iphones, late 2000s model cars, and tattoos out the ass. And they arent working. They’re getting money from someone
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Dec 3, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
health
I expect the RBs to be healthy for the bowl game and a win. Case needs to bulk up and improve arm strength , Ash needs accuracy and vision. Brewer might threaten for a starting job if the other two QBs don’t take care of their business.
by Ryan2907 on Dec 3, 2011 6:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Disappointing season but,
When healthy the running game was fun. We need help from the February class so I hope they are in the weight room and eating healthy. The youth is promising, but I am not sold on a QB. Get stronger, this will be a 10 win team next 2 seasons if we find a QB and some OL help.
Holiday Bowl is usually entertaining, look forward to seeing RBs back.
So what is a reasonable expectation for next year?
I thought 8 regular season wins was doable this season, but that didnt happen. What does everyone think about next year?
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Dec 3, 2011 7:03 PM CST reply actions
8 wins would've been doable if we weren't completely decimated at the RB position
IF our skill position players can stay healthy with Gray coming on board, I’m looking at about 10 wins +/- 1 win
by goingforthecorner on Dec 3, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
assuming we stay healthy and dont have injuries pile up like this year than i think 10 wins is certainly doable.
we could have had 10 wins this year if not for all the injuries
In The Morning To You
Its tough to call next year
because we don’t know exactly what our schedule will look like next year. Although a healthy running game and another year under Diaz will be huge for this team.
We lose Acho and Robinson at LB but Cobbs and Edmond shoud step in nicely. Our Oline will be better with another year of learning our to play smash mouth and I can’t wait to see our running game with Gray, Brown, and Bergeron.
mikefinger (Mike Finger)
Mack Brown says he has no plans to step down, and added, “When I do retire, it won’t come from a twit in Topeka, Kansas.”
by goingforthecorner on Dec 3, 2011 7:10 PM CST reply actions
Next years sched
Wyoming
New Mexico
@ Ole Miss
Iowa St
@ OU (Dallas)
@ Ok St
Baylor
@ Kansas
@ Tech
MIZZOU
@ K State
a&m
Who replaces Mizzou and a&m on the sched? It doesnt look like a tuff schedule, but we’ll see
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Dec 3, 2011 7:12 PM CST reply actions
of course
I forgot about them. My GF and her family are WVU fans. This will be fun
"Stability is a factor in teams that win the championship. But if you stabilize on a team that's going to end up short of that, then all you're doing is spinning your wheels in the 45-win range."-----Daryl Morey
by fanoflosingteams on Dec 3, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Not necessarily on WVU.
The Big East seems intent on making them wait until after 2013. I doubt it’s that long, but you never know…
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
QB Crisis
Our crisis is we don’t have one. I have no faith in either McCoy or Ash. They’re good kids, but neither one has convinced me. We cannot just hope they’ll grow up. We need a transfer QB.
McCoy's Potential = Mechanics
The only chance Case has to be a player is if he solidifies his mechanics. He looks terrible, but if he can somehow learn to set his feet – he may be able to be a mediocre QB.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
My two cents ...
Hats off to Baylor’s offense for a great game, but our defense played poorly today. Nothing, including tackling, was really good. Smart of Baylor to attack the middle and our safeties. Christian Scott’s effort on the deep ball in the first quarter was embarrassing.
Baylor’s defense is awful. I was really disappointed that we got so little push up front today. The power running game was largely ineffective.
We also got very little push up front from our defensive front. We were in a tough spot blitzing RG3, so it was important to get a great push up front. Never happened. I thought our defensive intensity today was lackluster. Best hit was probably Gideon on RG3, but there weren’t many of those.
I really think the game would have been much different, but for our RBs being out. I am frustrated with this. I know they are, too. But … what is going on? Are they made of glass? Are we being overprotective? (Not talking Fozzy, obviously … but what about MB and JB?) I thought MB was getting better, and then he gets hurt in practice? If he was less than 100%, why is he getting hurt in practice? I just don’t get it. Look at Ganaway. He carried 40-plus times last week and was fantastic today. I think a lot of this is being older (bigger, too) and being on a real strength/conditioning programs for 3 years.
With our RBs out of the game, Case was required to throw the ball way too much. No way he was/is ready for such a game plan, even against a bad defense like Baylor’s.
Call on the TD pass to Poehlman was genius. Call on the sideline route before the half that was picked … not so genius. On balance, though, I thought Harsin did a lot of things to piece together an offense/running game. Liked how he got Monroe more involved. Irby’s catch was a thing of beauty. Would have liked to see him more involved in the passing game.
The difference in today’s game was the Grand Canyon-like talent disparity between Baylor’s skill position players on the field vs. ours. It was almost like the old days, but with the roles reversed. Scary, but this is true. Think Quise’s drop of a perfect pass by Ash in the 4th. Catch that, and we are still in the game as many mistakes as we made … amazingly.
Re: blaming Mack, this is terribly misguided. We missed a QB evaluation … and okay, a couple on the receivers, too. But this comes on the heels of an incredible run. Admittedly, we still have issues to sort out at QB. But we are getting the ship turned around, with fantastic young players on the field now and a great class for ‘12. There’s a lot in place to show significant improvement next year.
Hook ’em.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Dec 3, 2011 7:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good post but our recruiting misses go far beyond "a QB" and "a couple on the receivers"
especially when some misses end up really killing you like RGIII and Christine Michael.
by goingforthecorner on Dec 3, 2011 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
Their were 0 teams that recruited RGIII as a QB
The only reason he ended us a BU is because Briles left Houston to go to BU and RGIII followed him there.
This years staff gets a commit from RG3 by telling him he gets a chance at QB and then figure it out later if he busts
'Til Gabriel blows his horn...
Agreed ...
We’ve whiffed on RB’s, too … but seemed to have gotten that under control.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Dec 3, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
it wasn`t just 1 qb
mack has missed on every qb since february 2005.this is 7 years without a decent qb.just a couple of wr`s ? really other than shipley and davis what receivers have we not missed on.not to mention who we refused to recruit like kendall wright among others.now what about rb how many misses in the last 6 years?the o-line recruiting maybe worse than any other postion outside of qb. hopefully mack allows his coaches to recruit instead of himself because he has been piss poor in talent evaluations for the last 5 or 6 years.
Why are you so sure that Mack is the one missing on all these?
He had a staff and, usually, a CEO-type of coach defers to his staff to do in-depth analysis of recruits.
Some underrated plays that could've changed things
- Tucker’s missed FG early
- Dixon having the incredible speed to catch up to Monroe and prevent him for scoring; we had to settle for 3 on that play
- Goodwin not catching the perfectly thrown ball from Ash; eventually Cody turned the ball over so we got 0 points out of it
Those 3 plays alone took 14 points off the board
by goingforthecorner on Dec 3, 2011 7:26 PM CST reply actions
Excellent points ...
Forgot about the early missed FG. I thought that was important for momentum, esp. after Baylor scored so fast.
Dixon’s play was good there. I thought he played dirty today and is pretty much a prick. Saw him running his pie hole out there. Should have had two flags … went low on, I think, Quise on the sideline and then the helmet-to-helmet with Ship. Neither was called. The Shipley non-call probably costs us points b/c we would be right on the goal line.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Dec 3, 2011 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Hard to believe we actually got 200 rushing yards and 4.5 YPC without Brown/Berg/Fozzy
by goingforthecorner on Dec 3, 2011 7:26 PM CST reply actions
Shows you how bad that defense is ...
Seriously. Credit Harsin for some different looks to cobble it together.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Dec 3, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
LOL is it true that Johnathan Gray was ejected in his last game?
by goingforthecorner on Dec 3, 2011 7:28 PM CST reply actions
i believe it has been said before
but does OU have to play their stupid song every play?
In The Morning To You
Yes, yes they do
Sometimes they play the second verse though, which is identical to the first.
2011: GTFO aggy Tour
Let's call it like it is
We are being out talented as well! In the Real World, no one cares that " we got bounced, BUT, look what we use to be, " I have been a fan since I was living overseas, before the Mack era as well. To everyone saying " look where we use to be " with all do respect, IT DOES NOT MATTER where we USE TO BE. Why do we have have ONE WR? Why do we have NO QB’s! NONE! How many frosh QB’s are playing lightyears ahead of ash? Case gives it all, no doubt, I love his attitude! But he can’t throw more than 20 yards!
How many of those QB's playing light years ahead of McCoy/Ash
Have a multiple freshman on the offence offline, receiving corp, and running backs? With a brand new offensive scheme?
Let’s face it Ash should not even playing this year, he should be sitting on a bench learning.McCoy was supposed to be the back up learning from GG. Both have been pressed into service early because the missed evaluation on GG. Both have shown flashes despite being thrown into an impossible situation.
Simply put we lack experienced players on offense to make up for our lack of experience at quarterback. When we look back at 2011 we will realize how much the loss of Fozzy really hurt us, the wheels fell off when he went down.
by BurntOrangeForever on Dec 3, 2011 8:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Please come back KV!
Our safeties suck! Thank god gidieon is gone. Not worried about our D-line next year personal wise, just worried about missed assignments/ gap control leading to extended drives. No biggy. What does our safety situation look like? It CANT GET WORSE can it?
He Will Be Back
He doesn’t make enough big plays to be a first rounder.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
GG not working out is the cause of all of this..
We were supposed to have a 5 star stud junior QB leading us to a 10+ win season. If you dont have a QB in the BIGXII you really dont have a chance to compete at a high level. We will continue to have the same conversation and continue to dissapointed until we find a QB. We can replace coordinators and coaches and we will get the same reults until we find the “guy”.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Unknown
Couldn't Agree More - Here's My Idea
Per my earlier post, I think we need to put the word out for transfers. There are probably several quality backups who would love to play here. We should consider asking former Oregon State QB Ryan Katz to transfer. He has one more year of eligibility and can play for any team outside the Pac 12 as long as he enrolls in graduate courses. Just an idea.
Evaluations we have whiffed on
How about DE’s. NO DEPTH there at all! There are three star DE’s in Texas every year being passed over by Texas,….. THAT ARE FROM TEXAS!!! WTF! Just look at LSU’S roster and recruiting class. And across the country! How about SAFETY. KICKER anybody? How about a tight end taller than 6’2 that can run routes and catch? Even before injuries, we don’t have one! Since irby. Wow! Offensive line! oh…. my….. God. Every time I see or read Snow do an interview I get mad. Where….is……the……push. Where is the nastiness!!!
It doesn't matter
That said running back wasn’t in the game for us. Not one damn bit! Against baylor, there was not much push
Really Disappointed in the Defense
Just did not show up today and they have to be great for us to have a chance. I think that every time Manny designs a soft defense – it really screws us. The kids need to be aggressive and ballz out. I am sure we would have lost anyway, but when you ask those CBs to lay back, it doesn’t work because we do not have enough speed and playmaking ability at S.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Less Painful...
It sucks seeing Texas get owned by Baylor, but seeing OU owned by OSU makes the day a little more bearable.
Love Mack's ability to sign players but....
I am amazed that Mack consistently gets big names to sign with us every year, but I just don’t think he gets the most out of his talent. With talent that UT gets every year, we should be so much more successful. I think Patterson or Peterson, or whoever could get so much more out of these players. However, I am just not sure they can bring them in like Mack does….Kinda of torn with Mack
Also, I don’t like how we recruit the RB’s & QB’s. We put all our eggs in one basket and and its boom or bust. We Get one highly touted guy a class and don’t get another so not to offend that player. If you can bring in another good player at a need position, then bring him and let them compete.
I really think we have the potential to be dominant or horrible next year, but all it depends who is our QB. At this rate, it is going to be another long season next year.
If there is a good JUCO QB out there, please bring him in. I know if takes time to develop QB’s and I don’t want to keep waiting for years to go by, and our terrific running backs (Brown, Bergeron, and Gray) leave or graduate before finding another QB. We need to get someone in there so defenses are not stacking up on our running backs. Also, if we had a JUCO QB come in, it would allow us to develop Ash and Brewer for another year or two till they are ready
Is it the Head Coaches responsibility to have his team prepared to play when they take the field?
There are certain tee shirt fans that seem to preach that MB is so classy that wins are not what the game is about. That it’s a rebuilding year. From 5-7 to 7-5 with a our schedule does not make for much of a “rebuilding” year. Aside from Gideon graduating, what have we accomplished this year?
If you are of the belief that Case McCoy or David Ash are going to take us further next year because of the magic of being a year older, you may need a new tee shirt.
Why is it Mack always seems to be the most surprised when we get our ass handed to us?
I’m an alumnus, Class of 1996, and a third generation University of Texas graduate and suffered two seasons under John Mackovic. I really hope we have significant progress next season, but honestly do not see a qb ready to get us back soon.
Should Texas pursue Ryan Katz???
He has one more year of eligibility. He can play for any team outside the Pac 12 as long as he’s enrolled in post-graduate studies.
If the staff goes and gets karam, we're talking about a championship team.
If they don’t, and there isn’t an apparent reason…I will be very disappointed at the least. He practically begged to come here.
If we’re taking case, we should be taking Karam. Just saying.
any qb
we need to pursue any and all available qb`s at this point.i have stated before that anytime we pass more than 15 times a game winning will be very hard with our qb`s.i know harsin wants to fully install his offense but how many poorly thrown passes do we need to call and then keep calling those plays.it is not harsin`s fault that he has no legit qb and the only bigtime wr is a freshman playing on one good knee and his 3 best rb`s are not playing but enough with passing the ball.if there was ever a game that displays why mack does not need to make recruiting decisions it was this game.mack`s approach to recruiting skill position players has been a joke.quit recruiting players that you have to promise not to recruit another player at their position.if they do not want to compete against a classmate can you really trust them to compete day after day and game after game.how sad is it that the lack of speed and solid qb play has us at 12-12 the last 2 years.that is an aggy type of record not here at TEXAS.MACK YOU NEED TO FIND A QUARTERBACK NOW.BRING IN 10 IF YOU HAVE TO.JUST FIND SOMEBODY .
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