Robert Griffin III Buries Longhorns in Waco
by Peter Bean on Dec 3, 2011 7:51 PM CST
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PrintThis is a Texas blog and I know folks may not be in the mood to talk about how awesome the other guys are, but I stand in awe of RGIII and the masterful performance he delivered against a high quality defense. I wrote earlier in the week that Robert Griffin III is the best player in college football and one of the most complete quarterbacks of the last decade, and we certainly saw why on Saturday afternoon: 15 of 22 passing for 320 yards, 14.6 per completion, with 2 touchdowns, plus another 2 rushing touchdowns.
Honestly, as absolutely atrocious as Baylor's defense is, it's hard not to think that RGIII would win a national title if he quarterbacked a team with a Top 30 defense. Our defensive line played pretty well and put pressure on him throughout the afternoon, but Griffin was just too good. His pocket presence is absolutely phenomenal and he makes throws under pressure better than any QB I can recall. What a marvelous talent, and though it's dispiriting to see Texas drop any game, I respect and admire RGIII more than any opposing player I can recall. Kudos to him and Baylor for a terrific season. Give him the Heisman, already.
As for the Longhorns... frankly, I'm looking forward to sitting down to watch the tape of Texas' 69-59 win over UCLA on the hardwood, so I'm not going to go overboard with this initial review. Also, this loss isn't very complicated. A big part of it was Robert Griffin III and his excellent core of skill players. The rest of it is a combination of stuff we more or less knew about Texas heading into this game.
To begin with, our senior safeties lack the lateral speed to cover. Blake Gideon and Christian Scott's weaknesses are well known, and both were picked on by RGIII today. For the most part our corners played pretty well, actually, but our attempts to zone RGIII were, in the end, a failure. With Griffin, it's a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation, but our hands were especially tied by our limitations at safety. When we dropped 6 DBs back into a deep zone, Griffin marched down the field in his sleep. When we tried to play it tighter he broke through with big plays over the top. In any event, whatever we give up in experience in our starting safeties next year, the upgrade in speed should more than make up for.
On the other side of the ball, we need a quarterback. Period. End of sentence. Case McCoy has a weak arm and he's constantly sacking himself, looking like a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs when there is even the slightest hint of pressure or potential pressure. He often makes decisions about where to throw before making reads, even when the play calls for the quarterback to make one read. Unless he's planning to grow 2.5 inches and add 25 pounds of muscle in the next three months, I'm pretty sure that he's a quality back up.
Don't bother pointing out Ash's mistakes during his own tenure as the starter. I'm perfectly aware, and I'm not pretending to know whether or not he can and will develop into a quality starter himself. He absolutely might not, in which case it's on to Connor Brewer and we're on the precipice of a vicious cycle, if we're not there already. In my estimation, though, the best we can do is name Ash the starter, work him out as QB1 throughout the weeks of practice leading up to the bowl game, and hope that he comes up in to spring practice in March ready to be better.
Some will disagree, but these were the same folks who cried for Case to get a "legitimate shot" to be the starter. He got it, both last week against A&M, when his heroic final drive overshadowed a crappy performance overall, and then again today, against the worst defense we've faced all season, where he really showed exactly why he's not viable as a starter. Baylor's even-worse-than-ours safeties allowed a few big plays, but their defensive backfield had a field day jumping on McCoy's weak arm.
Anyway, none of this stuff is particularly new. Our tailbacks are injured. Our safeties suck. Our receivers are inconsistent. Both of our young quarterbacks can't get it done. That's why we're going to finish with 7 or 8 wins this year, about what was expected heading into this season. Honestly, I'm happy enough with that, especially considering that one of those wins came at A&M.
Congrats to Baylor on an impressive win and season. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go watch our young hoops team. Hook 'em.
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Any QB's that will have eligablity next year that are going to gradaute early
and want to got to UT for grad school?
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Redshirt soph Texas Tech backup quarterback Jacob Karam might be an option. He graduates, in just 2.5 years, this month.
LubbockOnLine said:
"Karam said he expects to become immediately eligible at his next school because he will have finished his undergraduate degree. Transfer rules typically require a player to sit out one season before being eligible."
Obvious option
Would be Oregon State’s Ryan Katz. Whether or not that is wise is different. He looked good his first year.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 10:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Can he run the option?
I wonder if he could run the Wild Katz?! That practically writes itself!
Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.
One year ago
A great dual threat QB was graduated from HS in TX.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3h48P5LKmQ
He attends UT.
Well, I'm sold!
Good gracious! It looks like with Wildcat w/ Fozzy … on steroids.
Crist from N. Dame
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/54948/crist-reportedly-leaving-nd-timing-fitting
Of course, he was another one of those 5 stars that didn’t pan out.
oh hail the Purple and White
Peter
Think you’re really going to enjoy the latter stages of the hoops game. UCLA is basically an awful basketball team, but the way JCB and Myck took turns taking over that game was inspiring stuff to say the least. Plus supposedly we had a +1 rebounding advantage. Who’d a thunk it?! JCB was nails from deep. Myck had a 99 in “Primacy” on the EA Sports rating scale. Chapman…did shit. It was awesome.
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Thank goodness this season is over.
Next year starts TOMORROW, with our bowl prep. Hook ’em!
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
Nice review PB
I just returned from the game, and I think you hit all nails on the head. If Baylor had any D, they’d be close to undefeated and potentially talking about NC game. Griffin is a magician and a fantastic athlete. His receivers are close in quality to OU and OSU, their OL is very talented as a unit, and Terence Ganaway has an NFL career awaiting.
You outline the deficiencies of UT quite well. Watching Case McCoy live (1st time this year), it is clear that his arm really isn’t adequate from Division I NCAA football – case closed (no pun intended) and end of story. I remember seeing the triumvirate of David Carr, Patrick Ramsey, and Philip Rivers (all have or had NFL careers) come to Dallas to play SMU. Case is nowhere close in terms of arm strength and athleticism. Ash is definitely “in the neighborhood” and, from the videos I’ve seen of Connor Brewer, he is close, too.
I agree – we need to cast our lot with Ash in the bowl game, win or lose, With a health Brown and/or Bergeron, we might be able to get positive emotional momentum for spring and next year.
And, it will be interesting to see how Mack reacts to this game and the bowl game. I continue to be concerned that he has “burnout” and the lack of “life” on the sideline in the 3rd and 4th quarters could be a testament to that.
Interesting times continue.
Thanks PB
Here are my quick thoughts and I am SURE I will get slammed:
1. RG III is like a Vince or Cam – off the chart athlete. You put him on most top teams and you have a probable NC – just like Cam at Auburn last year.
2. Case is not the future for Texas. Yes, he made some plays but his footwork and throwing are atrocious.
3. I refuse to judge Ash on this year as a True Freshman that was put in positions (like Missouri) that were basically not a win situation – combination of wind, no running backs, etc. I rather look at his potential over a 4 year period and still believe he is the better option for Texas (with a running game).
4.Think we should implement an ’08, ’09 short passing game to complement our power rush (Bergeron, Brown and Gray) and use Ash or Brewer in that scheme.
I predicted 8-4 at start of season and we finished 7-5 (thought we would win either KSU or Misery), lose to aggy but beat BU. I agree generally with PB that the season is a success. However, the lack of QB development is very disconcerting. I realize that the best development tool we have is time, everyone is older, bigger and smarter.
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Not sure why you'd get slammed
I agree with your most of your points. Well thought out. Only thing about the short passing game is it requires little margin for error since you have to have so many consistent accurate passes. Not sure if Ash can be that guy. Obviously haven’t seen Brewer. That’s the only thing I don’t completely agree with.
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So..........
What would you change for the bowl season to prepare for next year? I would definitely start Ash and he is our guy. However, per Harshin comments yesterday when asked – “Case if the guy”.
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Per Dallas Morning News - did not like Baylor player quote!
The most popular postgame question was whether Texas possessed a quarterback who can lead future success on the current roster.
Baylor’s Elliot Coffey had doubts. "You could see Texas players hanging their heads over there because they didn’t trust their quarterback anymore," the senior linebacker said.
Not so, according to first-year play-caller and co-offensive coordinator Bryan Harsin.
"We’ve got a quarterback, absolutely," Harsin said. "It’s a just a matter of going back and re-evaluating the situation and learning from it. That’s the one thing. Experience is huge."
As a follow-up, Harsin was asked the identity of that QB.
"Right now, Case is. Yeah. Absolutely," Harsin said, while noting that Texas was still developing two quarterbacks.
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+1 - agree completely.
We are clearly in the midst of a 2-3 year redevelopment scenario. Any Horn fan who thinks we get to major BCS competitiveness before 2013 or 2014 is deluding themselves. The QB situation, IMO, is the most pressing issue, and the coaches have to cast their lot with one guy – Case ain’t it!
That would be Mack
He just said we will be “back in the mix” in ’12 yesterday
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by Distributor of the Football on Dec 4, 2011 9:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The good news
is that there are things to feel good about with the basketball team. Played a really nice second half.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 3, 2011 8:25 PM CST reply actions
Not a savior.
I like his touch and his mental makeup, but his physical skills to me are less than David Ash. I watch his highlights and I really want to see him be able to put the ball on a rope and make those throws that require major-college arm strength. I question whether he has that.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 3, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Will add
I think Brewer has very nice touch on his passes. Especially deep balls. He throws what you call a “catchable” ball. Not because it isn’t crisp, but because it has the correct elevation and trajectory on it.
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yea i notice he has a great deep ball
but GoBR do you think he can be a good game manager for us?
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I think it's definitely possible.
I wouldn’t expect that as a true freshman though.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 3, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
5-7 to 7-5
Nice 2 game improvement. Now let’s find out which bowl we are going to win.
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by TexasGarcia37 on Dec 3, 2011 8:36 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
If we end up having to play Cal
Won’t be an easy win. That’s another talented offensive team with a dual threat QB. Obviously not at Griffin’s level, but tough to stop nonetheless.
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great review PB
i see beergut is still whining about last week and is giving Texas crap about losing to Baylor
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+1
Aaide from Gideon’s pick the saftey play was abysmal.
Case doesn’t have the arm, the legs (don’t bring up A&M…that was against a pass prevent defense), and worst of all he has no discpline. If he did maybe now, two seasons under hia belt, he’d actually have some semblance of mechanics and pocket presence. Worse still, he compensates for these issues by pre-determining where he’s going to throw way way too much. I’m sorry, but dude was recruited for his name, and that’s bullshit. I want to know how a guy with no arm and no ability to scramble so much as flail gets in our backfield.
Really proud of Hills and Johnson for some nice runs and good effort, even if our sheme doesn’t play to their stremgths.
The refs called a bad game. We lost it for ourselves, but apparently it’s legal for Baylor to hold, and there was also a crucial block in the back that went uncalled and helped with the momentum shift.
Love Tucker, but another tough game with the missed field goal and a bad punt. Argh. Can we really not find a punter in the whole state?!
I can’t believe we lost to Baylor two years in a row.
Sorry PB...cant sign on to turning things over to Ash.I can question Harsin's play calling....
If anybody should know our young QBs limitations its Harsin So we call 40 pass plays . Yes we have a problem at QB, but the answer for right now is managing the QB….not setting them up for failure-see Baylor and OSU games. Our new OC has much to learn.
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Don't think he had too much choice in that regard
I agree about OSU, but we couldn’t rely on Hills and Cody every down against Baylor. They aren’t Malcolm and Foz. As soon as Malcolm was ruled out of the Baylor game, you knew Case was going to have to make some plays. He started off well, but reverted to the mean (god I’m getting tired of that phrase when it comes to Texas).
Thought Harsin did a really good job putting Case in good spots to make plays, and went with more crossing patterns than vertical routes. Also mixed in Goodwin, Cody, and Hills as well as could be expected. OL penalties did Case and Harsin zero favors.
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calling 40+ pass plays were just confusing
i thought at most we’d have 25 attempts
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I agree with that ...
Baylor was probably stuffing the box, but still … I think this was a very tough game plan to put on either QB. Running more would have also kept the clock running, too.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Dec 3, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
It's not ideal, but Baylor stacked the box and their safties are worse than ours.
You have to keep attacking the weakness, if nothing else to try to keep them honest and open up the run since Cody’s not fast and Hills can’t go more than a foot past contact. And the other backs? No much vision, cut, or pop for all their vaunted speed.
40 passes
That tends to happen when you play a team lighting up the scoreboard. Offensive play calling was fantastic. Harsin changed his scheme and went to a short passing game to play to Case’s “strength”. It worked early. In the end, Case melted down. At some pt, we simply have to accept that QB is a blackhole of production. The overall team improved dramatically this yr. Defense was better. OL was better. The running game was light yrs better. QB play is the only spot the Horns did not improve on and was the difference between 9-10 wins and 7.
The Unpopular Answer to our Problems is .........?
JUCO QB, OL and DT. Redshirt Brewer
Crazy Yes……Historically Unthinkable!
How patient are we at wallowing in mediocrity?
Not patient
Do what needs to be done. Last year was the down year. This was the rebuilding year. Next year is the we’re back year. 2013 is the NC run year. Do what you have to do to stay on schedule.
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QB has to play for us and not them
I’d settle for a game manager( ie McElroy type) this year now. Our margin for victory at present cannot overcome multiple turnovers. Gray will help reduce the passing load but we can’t be one dimensional or plagued with offensive miscues.
Peter, I generally agree ...
but our D line? What game were you watching? We had one sack. We hit RG3 a couple of times, but he had plenty of time to throw. There was very little push and penetration and zero hits by those guys.
Will be interesting to see what they do with the QBs …
To be fair, McCoy had a great first half, except for the sideline throw … question the call there. The middle was where we had success; plus, Case’s arm strength is not there.
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by Distributor of the Football on Dec 3, 2011 8:47 PM CST reply actions
DL
Couldn’t sell out to get to Griffin for fear of giving up big scrambles. In fact, Griffin averaged more than nine yards on every scramble this season. Part of what makes him so hard to defend.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 3, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Don't understand ...
Their job is to beat their blockers, plug gaps and get to the QB. Saw very little of that today. Is Baylor’s o-line better than our d-line, too?
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by Distributor of the Football on Dec 3, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Today they were asked to also contain Griffin in the running game
There’s only so much you can do against a guy like that.
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Fine, but ...
When he is standing back there looking down the field, it generally means he wants to throw the ball. He was under little pressure. You can’t let a QB like RG3 have that much time. I think we could have done a lot better job putting pressure with the front 4.
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by Distributor of the Football on Dec 3, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well
My main point about containing him is not on designed runs, but on scrambles. That is where Griffin is dangerous.
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This
Last couple games, the DEs have been able to unleash on the outside with little fear because we’d bring the delayed blitzes inside. Robinson and Acho cleaned up anything forced inside. But when they’re needing to drop into coverage because RGIII is such a polished passer, it limits what the DEs can do.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 9:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
DL had some pressure in the first half
But couldn’t sustain it in the second half really. Felt like we were getting run up and down the court by UNC in hoops.
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For all who want Ash?
Did you see any of the games he started?..Case at least hit some good passes and as soon as Baylor realized he had no running game it was over. Case threw some bad passes but Ash hasn’t thrown a good pass all year.
Our WR suck, all our RB are injured and the defense looked like they did against OU and you guys blame Case?
Hook Em!
How many times
has Ash thrown four interceptions in a game this season?
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 3, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Fair point, but ...
He hasn’t been asked to throw that many times … and without his RBs.
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by Distributor of the Football on Dec 3, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
I believe he averages an interception per 10 passes....you do the math.
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by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 3, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I think you need to do the math.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 3, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
These are silly arguments
Everybody knows neither has been sufficient. Let’s just accept both have been bad and move on.
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Texas Tech, Kansas...
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
Just answerin' his question...
Case never had the advantage Ash did. Just sayin’…
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by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Right, I understand
I was just assuming he was referring to games in which it led to the QB still struggling. That didn’t happen against TTU or KU, so you can kind of throw them out, no?
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Exactly....throw out the back to back 400 yard rushers when we had three backs...
Ash was asked to win without Fozzy, Joe, Malcolm, or Jaxon. Case had Malcom and Jaxon (at 80% admittedly) at A&M and the offense didn’t move any better than with Ash. The D and ST won that game. Then, going against the 116th D in the nation, one of the worst secondaries in conference, what did Case do? Turned it over with a fumble and 4 interceptions…and plenty more bad thows. He has no mechanics or read, and thus can’t compensate for his arm. And he’s now had two years to get some discipline…. Time to move on. He was supposed to be QB3….and should be.
Gotta reiterate some things here
Case was in the same situation that Ash was in against Missouri, and the Missouri defense is light years ahead of Baylor.
Case’s value was in his ability to limit TOs, and hit things in the short game. But the regression to the mean took place, and he finally started getting punished for throws that should have been picks all year long. And he’s woefully inaccurate in the short game when he doesn’t set his feet. And, quite frankly, he’s usually trying to improvise with his feet and avoiding technically sound football.
So if he’s worthless in the deep passing game, worthless in the run game, a danger to the team in the intermediate game, and now turning it over…and likely not the QB of the future…why continue to play him?
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 9:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Atleast
Ash has the potential to be a true QB in a pro style offense. Not sure if you noticed, but Case McCoy would only be successful in an offense that lives off WR screans and 5 yard passes.
We pissed away a top tier talent like Connor Wood and Garrett GIlbert and are now killing the confidence of another true freshmen with any talent for a horrible QB that shouldn’t be playing at SFA… and clearly is not equipped to start at UT.
Sad
WR screens?
Definitely not his strong suit. Remember that pass to Shipley on 3rd and 3 that cost us an easy first down yesterday?
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Dropped TD
I would say the dropped pass in the end zone was a good pass by Ash
I for one would like to win our bowl game.....our running backs should be healthy in 3 weeks,...
limit the passing to 15-20 safe throws…and run the hell out of the ball. Meanwhile Mack and Harsinwhite have 60 days to get a dual threat Juco QB signed so Brewer can redshirt.
This seems like the 800 lb gorilla sitting in the room…if we don’t, we will be sitting here a year from now fighting about whether Brewer, Ash or McCoy should be starting.
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True
Can reassess after the bowl game, when we can see what Ash/McCoy does with a couple healthy RBs and a healthier Shipley.
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2 of 4
Of the interceptions that he threw, I might have been able to get the jump on, since he textes,tweeted and telegraphed them by never looking off his intended receiver. This is the 12th game of the season, regardless of how many he started. It is over. Start Ash for the bowl game and pray.
by eirehorn on Dec 3, 2011 9:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
We are not good evaluators
Safety. Defensive End, depth and talent. Where is it at?! And why the hell are we missing all these 3star stud DE’s and D-lineman from,…. Wait for it,… TEXAS! take a look at LSU’s roster and and recruiting class asan example of this. Wide Recievers! 101! Catch the ball with your hands, not your body! Oh, and why do we only have one WR?! OL?! Can we buy one with nastiness please! They get as much push as our D-line! Right now I would settle for an OL recruit that doesn’t hold more than 3 times a game late into a season and gets stinger as the year goes on " hello progress!, " a tight end taller than 6’2 that can run routes, block, and catch, havent had one in years. A f%#king QB! Ash, you have one year and a long, long, long off season. Lesser QB’s have done more with less talent, ….. And time.
Off a little
The DL had a pretty good game. RGIII presents a unique problem with his ability to complete the deep pass and punish you with his feet if you turn and run with their speedy WRs. We got pressure and hit him early, and Oak/Jeffcoat got some clean shots off on him. When we had to play contain and couldn’t bring LBs on delayed blitzes, it limited what we could do.
OL played alright as well. They made our mediocre RB group today look alright. Not shocked with the holding calls. It happens when you have a QB reliant on improvisation and breaking pockets for no reason.
Safety? Yeah, obviously Gideon and Scott can’t cover a lick. Thompson and Evans have speed in spades.
WR…the 2012 class looks PROMISING. Cayleb Jones, Thomas Johnson, Kendall Sanders, likely Marcus Johnson, and possibly DGB. With that many quality guys coming in, we have a good shot at hitting early on a few.
Help is on the way.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 9:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well,
Safety? Gideon is horrible! Can’t wait til he graduates. I think we can all agree that Vaccaro and Phillips are NFL talents from what we have been able to see. Scott is a run stuffer in my opinion and Gideon is the best bullfighter that has ever played for UT.
DE is strong with Okafor and Jeffcoat. Wilson has showed signs of being great (spring football), but I can’t think of many DE’s that are better than what UT has.
Let’s keep in mind, most of these kids we are recruiting are dominating their peers in high school. For some reason we are not developing them as we should be. That is concerning… they don’t seem hungry.
WR’s? Again, Davis and White were fantastic in high school against top talent in Texas and in their All-Star games. We aren’t doing a good job of getting them in the game and in situations to be successful. Davis is dropping to many passes, but White should have redshirted if he wasn’t ready to play. We are getting talent… we just aren’t doing anything with it.
You understand
Half of those evaluators are no longer on the team, right?
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Oh
Texags? Because I speak my mind abot my team? Please?!
Speaking your mind is one thing
Having an educated opinion is another.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 9:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Try to make use of the reply function.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 3, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
I just got back from the game
It was a grey, wet day in Waco, perfect for some December Texas football. The offense, actually looked more like a cohesive unit than in the last few games, until the turnovers started. The QB problem is still a legitimate problem that has to be solved in the offseason, but if it is, and we get healthy next year, they could become very productive very quickly. But I’ve never seen anything like the offensive performance Baylor put up against the Texas defense. RGIII was just in complete control on every play. With only the slightest of hyperbole, the Texas defense looked like a high school team. It would have been more upsetting, but, to echo what is stated above, they just ran into an elite talent, who is almost unfairly versatile, playing his last game at home, making a final Heisman push.
But the most striking thing about the game was how surreal it was when, whenever Texas had the ball, the Baylor fans were actually nervous, like “come on defense, please get this stop.” It was bizarre seeing a bunch of people actually afraid of this offense.
Certainly we should never be satisfied with whatever crappy bowl we’re headed to, but this team could definitely benefit from a couple of extra weeks of practice, more game reps, and possibly a bowl win headed into the spring.
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Baylor fans
Obviously haven’t watched our O too much. Or they’ve watched too much of their D.
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Define educated?
I have a different opinion. Because it isnt full of rainbows and sunshine, I’m uneducated.
chef
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Educated
As in understand the causes of problems, and how we’ve addressed them. This, and most other, blogs and sites have long since addressed our previous regime’s lack of focus in evaluating and recruiting OL, QB, and WR depth. It’s a problem that existed for a while, and we have addressed it with the right hires and recruiting. The 2012 WR class is heavy with depth and talent. The 2011-2012 OL classes are 3 OTs deep, and at least a pair of guards that look to contribute starting next year, and we’ve looked go JuCo to fill holes. QB has no quick fix, but we’ve tried to scheme away those deficiencies, and brought in a safe QB take in Brewer.
Also, some of the things you brought up were nonissues. The DEs, despite lacking a lot of depth, have played lights out the second half of the year. RGIII brought a schematic challenge that prevented us from running the same defense that wrecked shop the last few weeks. We couldn’t turn the DEs lose outside because we couldn’t bring the LB delayed blitzes like we have. Griffin would have carved that up. We had to drop the LBs, run lots of zone, and contain with the DL. Doesn’t help when the safeties can’t cover. Next in line at S doesn’t have the same coverage problems.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 9:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nonissue?
Depth at DE is a nonissue? Where are the safeties? Did that not haves major say in this game?
No
Depth was not an issue at DE. Michael already agreed the safeties are terrible. No need to belabor the point.
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Well, no, depth at DE not an issue this year. Haven’t had major injuries this year aside from a small nick for Jeffcoat last week. But Jeffcoat and Okafor have played lights out the second half of the year, and Wilson and Reed have played well in relief. No need for depth when your top 2 are healthy and playing well. We haven’t even used Dravannti Johnson. Not sure where he disappeared.
The problem with the safeties we have coming up is that we need to use the experienced ones in man underneath in our dime looks (Phillips and Vacccaro), and our backups are true freshman. They’ll be good, but for whatever reason coaches aren’t ready to roll them out yet. Haven’t physically developed enough, I guess.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 9:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I must say Audit
That I pray to god that our new blood does work out. And I am hopeful and confident that they are. Hook EM!
Bled for the program mentality
Still not completely gone from the system. Scott’s been somewhat improved this year, but still not good. Don’t see how you don’t finally roll out Thompson and Evans because A) they can’t be much worse in over-the-top coverage and B) they have an infinitely higher ceiling.
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I can only think they left the old dogs out hoping they wouldn’t bite on the play fakes. But they were….so at least put someone with some make-up speed. Scott/Gideon gave us fits last year. Akina shoulda let Manny know that.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 10:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If there was ever a game...
…to get Thompson and Evans some time this season, wouldn’t this game have been it? Gideon and Scott were overmatched hands down.
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by isoldmycopilot on Dec 3, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
If it were me
After Gideon got beat on that first deep ball, I roll with Thompson and Evans and say, “Clean up what is clearly in front of you, but DO NOT GET BEAT DEEP.”
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Word up...
But you know Mack… – he’s adapted and changed quite a bit, but obviously hard for him to pull his 4yr starting safety.
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by isoldmycopilot on Dec 3, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
On some points: new coaching hires have fire and seem to have better eye for talent. But you don’t know that yet do you? We will have to wait and seeon that. So you can’t even give your opinion on that yet since you have NO DATA to support your opinion.
Did what?
I did nothing but give my opinion. Just like you. Just like everyone else on here. And by “we” I mean the Texas football program, not us, the bloggers. So, I already did what?
Your words my friend
So you can’t even give your opinion on that yet since you have NO DATA to support your opinion.
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Um Yes I do,
How about this entire season of play as data? Regarding our evals. We didn’t lose all of our coaches, including the main one. We DO NOT have one piece of data on how well any of our recruits are at WR at this level do we?
If I don’t have data to support, then you don’t have data to the contrary.
We do have data on their process. Most thought Garrett Greenlea would contribute at LT soon. Searels was high on Cochran from the start, and he is contributing in big ways right away. This line is markedly better than any line we’ve had, probably since 2006. Kennedy Estelle and Curtis Riser are going to be pretty damn good. Count on it.
At WR…we had one year (08? Maybe 07) where we took one WR. Greg Timmons. Wyatt has pulled in Cayleb Jones, Thomas Johnson, and now Kendall Sanders with Marcus Johnson and DGB still out there. Add in that our WRs actually block this year. I’d say that’s improvement.
This staff has worked so much harder, and by most accounts more effectively, than the last staff. We haven’t wrapped up our classes in our junior days with guys that were easy takes. We got our numbers early, but have continued to evaluate and vet players as time passes. We’ve also worked on guys that are out of state or likely headed elsewhere. Hell, we’re even looking at JuCo to fill some holes.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 10:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just a complete paradigm shift
Wyatt has been doing work lately. Guy must be tired of the lack of product that has been put on the field. Wants something else to work with. Especially if we see massive injuries like we had to Ship and Harris this year.
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Again!
You can only guess how any of them will pan out! You can list these guys all day long. You have positive data on their play in college do you!!!? You would say it’s an improvement? Only NOW can you say that, only because you have data on how they played on the college level. This isn’t a hard die to grasp is it?
Don't put words into my mouth
NEVER! Did I call them failures. Or assume as much? No. I am simply saying that you and audit don’t know how they are at the collegiate level do you?
You said our evaluations are bad
Does that not imply that the people they evaluated will then not be successful? What else could be “bad” about it?
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All I want to see
I I am hopeful we will as fans, is an improved team next year.
Wins,... Eh
I just want to see improvement.
Haha
Definitely not. That’s my point. I don’t know if the recruits we have coming in will be successful (other than Gray, who I flat-out guarantee you will), but that doesn’t mean I can’t use my eyes to evaluate them with their previous counterparts and tell you that they are higher quality players. If you don’t want to accept that, that’s your prerogative. I don’t see why you wouldn’t, though.
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How long and how close have you followed?
You get classes like the 2007-2009 groups when you take the easy road on the recruiting trail. But when you actually put the work in, then you dramatically increase your chances of hitting on the players. And if you don’t hit, you hope to develop the player into something serviceable. We have worked harder out there, and have already developed better than in the past. There are no locks, but the odds of us hitting are a lot higher than in the past.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 10:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have been following since '93-94
And I have Ben doing it even when I was living in Saudi Arabia. Now live in Pearland!
Then you should be aware of the problems
A lot of our coaches that made absolutely strange recruiting decisions are gone. McWhorter, after taking heavy after heavy OL in a reach blocking/zone scheme, never developing them, then only taking 2 OL in 2010, is out.
Bobby Kennedy, who took only Greg Timmons in one year, and a bunch of not much around that, is gone. And unless we had a fully self motivated WR like Ship or Quan, we weren’t blocking for anybody.
And good ole Greg Davis. Our QB recruitment is headscratching at times. I’m fine with recruiting Garrett Gilbert. Seemed like a safe choice. But to pin all your hopes on him alone is foolishness. Running off GJ Kinne and Sherrod Harris, who both could have contributed in 2010 and 2011, didn’t help. And taking Connor Wood and Case McCoy in one year wasn’t the greatest of accomplishments. We have to hope Harsin can develop QBs, because this offseason will require some developing of either Ash or McCoy.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 10:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Problem with taking Case as the backup QB
And Wood as the star is Case didn’t have the attitude of a backup QB. So they kind of canceled each other out ultimately. Ugh.
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Ultimately, think we have either Wood or Gilbert still around if we don’t take Case. Either we ruined depth by trying to create it, or just royally screwed the pooch with a legacy. Can’t waste a QB schollie for legacy. I was really intrigued with Connr Wood. Anxious to see him at Colorado.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 10:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wood
me too… I think he plays in the NFL eventually.
Funny thing is… UT coaches said that he wasn’t “accurate” in practice? I wonder if that is worse than just being completely horrible in the games.
I bet he can throw a football more than 25 yards though… Case? Not so much
it sucks...
…being reminded what Kinne or Harris could have contributed these past two years.
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by isoldmycopilot on Dec 3, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
My girl and I
Are about to open a bottle of wine. 3 bottles for me. You guys all take it easy! Have a good one! Hook EM!
You too bud
Don’t take it easy on the win though. You deserve it after today’s game. Ugh.
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Gilbert
Should have had a redshirt and Sherrod should have been backing up Colt that year. We crapped the bed on that one. Look at the benefits of a redshirt season… VY, Colt, Bradford… it’s a long list.
Gilbert shouldn’t have been thrown to the wolves like that. And the fact that UT decided to switch from the short passing game to a true pro style offense where you need a QB that can throw the ball down the field, yet still thought it was a good idea to bring in Case McCoy is mind boggling. I can’t remember a QB in division l football that is worse than this kid…
Connor Wood would be very nice to have right now, but instead… we are screwed for another year at the QB position.
On the plus side OU(sucks) is getting ridden like a bitch by the Cowboys
Yeehaw!
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
Here's hoping
The thought of watching about SEC borefest like LSU-Alabama Part 2 already has me snoring.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
OSU by 3. 72 over/under
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty sure that moniker started off as mockery
And at the least has been for the past 7-8 years.
by CVictoryJoyously on Dec 3, 2011 10:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If they can put 60-65 in OU man...
…I think there’s a real chance they could jump Alabama. I’m thinking there must be PLENTY of people who’d rather not snore through another LSU-Alabama game…
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
Didnt Stoops step on your neck and twisted a few years back?
To get his style points? I recall they were trying very hard that year we lost to Tech…
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
"their" not "your" ahem late night...
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he's too much of a MAN to do that like Bobby
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Penalties and turnovers killed us
And the latter had a lot to do with the former.
If memory serves me correctly, two of Case’s INTs came on third downs when we were 10+ yards from the first down, due to false start and holding penalties on first and second down.
So on a down that everyone in the state knows is a passing down, we’re putting our fate in the hands of a noodle-armed QB who locks onto receivers. When we stayed ahead of the chains and kept it to third-and-five or less, we were converting often because the Baylor D couldn’t sell out for the run or the pass.
Of course, this doesn’t change the fact that better QB play would’ve helped greatly. Third-and-long wasn’t kryptonite for Colt or VY or Major or even Simms.
Final score: Texas wins, 76-37-5
Right before I wrote that...
I realized that as much grief that Chris Simms caught 10 years ago, he was light years beyond our current QB corps.
This frightened and confused me greatly. I wrote it just for mind-blowing purposes.
Final score: Texas wins, 76-37-5
When I realized that earlier this season
My mind was effectively blown.
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Case had no choice
No running game and one stupid mistake after another. He played well early and then he just threw caution to the wind.
Just another horrible loss for Mack’s resume.
Throwing caution to the wind
Off his back foot.
by CVictoryJoyously on Dec 3, 2011 10:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was at the game, had no commentary/replay/good view
Were the penalties all legit? It seemed like they were just piling them up, and Baylor only committed a couple.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
That's frustrating
Putting Case in “and long” situations is no good.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
I want to see 60 on the board
No one deserves to have the score run up on him more than Bob Stoops.
Final score: Texas wins, 76-37-5
Also..
Landry Jones is not an over-rated quarterback, he’s a flat out terrible quarterback. Anyone who thinks that kid should be drafted in any round at all should lose his or her place at the table.
Interesting
You’re generally not prone to hyperbole. You must really hand Landry, lol.
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I don't hate him, he just doesn't have a good mind for the game
At our introduction a few years back my sense was that this guy doesn’t frighten me near as much as previous Sooner QB’s, most of whom weren’t transcendent athletes but seemed to run the Stoops offense efficiently enough. The past two years have done little to raise my opinion of him.
I swear the talking heads hold him in high regard based solely on his OU predecessors. Its as if they’ve never actually sat and watched the guy play, but just fill in the blanks of their pre-written superlative-laden drivel.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 3, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's a very good QB
When he isn’t under pressure. I thought the same thing about Sam. I think Landry is largely automatic when he is allowed to just sit back there and play pitch and catch, but he’s not a guy I want when the adversity is on. So do I think he’s a good passer? Yes. Do I think he’s a winner? Well, not really.
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That's the problem, isn't it?
Not hard to stand back there and toss the ball around everywhere. Bradford had that for 2-3 years. I saw games where he was never touched. That’s why I never thought he was as good as advertised. Hard NOT to be with the line they had during his playing years…
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by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Can't argue with you there
I’d take it over what we have here though :/
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Sam Bradford, anyone?
He doesn’t seem to be doing much in St. Louis. I always thought that kid was way overvalued, especially with that senior line of theirs when he was playing…
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by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
Landry and Jones
Aren’t even in the same league.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 9:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought they were the same guy...
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
You sure?
Maybe he knows something we don’t…
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by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
WTF?
Y’all know what I meant.
Maybe I meant that he’s two different players home and away. I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore.
Bradford, Jones, totally different leagues.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 10:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Totally agree
Never bought the Landry Jones hype. He’s good when he sees his read pre-snap and gets the time in a clean pocket to make the throw. Get him on the move, or make him progress through reads, and he’s TO city. Or, just play him on the road. He goes all out Uncle Rico outside of the metropolis that is Norman.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 9:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So you're saying they'll be just like us?
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly..
We will see how their inexperienced QB’s play. Plus I give Mack and UT a pass, this was supposed to be Garrett Gilberts team. He was the top QB in high school and everyone wanted him. Case and David were not supposed to be playing.
Next season I see more change, another year under Manny and some new offensive blood. Plus super man Jonothan Gray is on his way.
I know people are bitching and moaning about this lost
But really, anyone who has seen Baylor play was expecting us to keep up with them was nuts. RG3 is the real deal.
I love us going into next year. We have two beasts at RB, more coming in, and the D is already pretty good. (RG3 makes EVERYONE look bad.)
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by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Most people were assuming Malcolm would be near 100%. When it was revealed he was only questionable, and then that he was not healthy at all, everything went to shit. A rare airball from Recruitocosm.
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Weird
I assume they were saying he was one in relation to their turf toe. But no mention of the knee injury that held him out. Where the hell did that injury come from?
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 10:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My god
I didn’t even realize when they were talking about the knee injury that it was different than his toe injury. Stupid stupid stupid. No idea where the hell that arose.
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Heard knee and brace yesterday
And thought, “Wait, what?”
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 10:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
I tried really hard to appreciate watching Griffin’s last Big XII game rather than exhaust myself emotionally lamenting another Texas loss, especially one that was to be so expected given our personnel situation.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 3, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
RG3 is a good kid. Hope he wins the Heisman.
Because we're Texas and we're evil. DUH.
by iamjackburton on Dec 3, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
I do too...he is a class act.
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 3, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
My opinion changed a little
when he said Texas had no luster and then when they interviewed him after the game he told the reporters “I think I just won the Heisman”.
In the big picture pretty small stuff, but still bugged me.
She asked him if he had done enough to win a heisman. He said I.think I did. What was he suppose to say no luck should win it.
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by matthew62 on Dec 4, 2011 11:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Technically
He said he thinks Baylor just won their first Heisman. Can’t really fault a kid for making it a team award.
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KSU has Klein coming back
and we lose very little on O and only 2 key players on the D.
I think next year may be KSU’s year. If you get a QB, I see it coming down to us and Longhorn. This assumes RGIII goes pro. If not, Baylor may win the thing outright.
And even if Landry doesn’t go pro, I think Bell wins the starting job. If he can pass, Sooner may be tough.
And don’t count out TCU. Patterson can flat out coach. They could win the darn league theri first year as a member.
oh hail the Purple and White
Furnace
Just want to say that I appreciate all your insights into KSU. You are a welcome addition to this board this year.
Thanks -
I enjoy visiting here. The tenor of most conversations is excellent. It is a pleasure to read postings that are for the most part gramatically correct and coherent. You can get an idea about the type of graduates a school puts out by visiting these SB Nation fan sites. It worries me that the nuance necessary for effective written communication is being lost because of things like twitter and the “styles” used in text messaging. Oh well, things change.
oh hail the Purple and White
Good stuff as usual PB.
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by LonghornLostInMiami on Dec 3, 2011 10:04 PM CST reply actions
turns out running off tackle would probably work just as well
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 3, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
we just need his record FOR the UT game to suck...
…so we can win some conference championships…
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by isoldmycopilot on Dec 3, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
So sad...
that the game of the day is the B10 championship. I really hate watching the teams in this conference…
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This game is good...
…just hate the B10 overall. This might be due to my overall hatred for OSU.
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by isoldmycopilot on Dec 3, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Both understandable
I think Wisky is fun to watch though. They usually put a fun product on the field. Especially against MSU, it seems. Damn I wish we could have these games every week.
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I love Wisconsin
Thought this team was headed to the title game. Was a pair of hail marys away from getting pretty close go that. This game is legit.
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by The Audit Horn on Dec 3, 2011 10:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I decided about 3 weeks into the season
that I wanted to see the Tigers and Badgers in New Orleans. So close; we were deprived by what was probably the play of the year.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 3, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
I am a Badger fan too
They have their identity, but aren’t afraid to manipulate it a bit with uber-talent Russell Wilson at QB. Guy has nads. Shit I wish he would have come here instead of Wisconsin, lol.
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As in the NFL...
missing on a QB can set you back a few years. We are seeing this with the failure of the GG project. We will not compete at a high level until we get a QB. Ash nor Case is the answer.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Unknown
Difference was the turnovers
I get the love fest for RGIII, but this game turned in Baylor’s favor due to our 6 turnovers, not because the Baylor D was getting our offense off the field due to lack of production.
Put me down for Team Ash.
I am having a harder and harder time convincing myself that it was all of those old Assistant Coaches’ fault that the program is where it is now, and not Mack’s fault. Mack absolutely needs a transcendental talent (who is an upperclassmen) at QB to be successful. Check this out:
Mack has won conference titles with the following QBs:
Vince Young
Colt McCoy
Compared to another program with significant conference success:
Stoops has won conference titles with the following QBs:
Josh Heupel
Nate Hybl
Jason White
Paul Thompson
Sam Bradford (2)
Landry Jones
I can’t make myself believe that our savior will be a RB or a freshman QB.
QB Situation
I hear Dayne Crist is gonna ask for a transfer from Notre Dame. He could give us 1 year to develop Brewer…
JUCO QB
Why not recruit Eric Matthews from Blinn?
So where are we bowling and who we playing against?
I’m thinking…holiday bowl vs. Cal
by jtdoes on Dec 4, 2011 1:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions
id enjoy the Holiday Bowl
give us a chance to get healthy and then beat up a weak Pac-12 team
In The Morning To You
Cal isn't weak
They are very good offensively, and have some talent on D as well.
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RG III for Heisman
It’s still a long shot given the TR/Luck bias prior to today, but if enough folks change their votes… surprise in NYC on Dec 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U66RiXTpSoo
Confirmed supporters so far:
Bruce Feldman (tweet)
Skip Bayless (tweet)
Warren Sapp (tweet)
Christian Fauria
Case
on a lot of the picks looks like he made the right read and could have had the receiver open, but the dude has absolutely zero arm strength. so painful to watch. wish we could stick mccoy’s head on ash’s body
At some point do we have to look beyond the QB?
What are the odds that 3 highly regarded QBs ( GG, Ash, and Gilbert ) would all fail miserably in our system?
Maybe its not them, its us?
Highly regarded?
Weren’t ASh and McCoy 3 stars?
Case
was a 2* in some rating systems… I think that was a bit generous myself.
Guy should be a walkon holder at UT… and we offered Brewer from Lake Travis a friggin grey shirt!!!
We are throwing away 4 and 5* kids for a QB that couldn’t throw the ball 20 yards down the field with a 30 mph wind behind him.
One thing
Let’s not console ourselves with the Aggie win. That’s what they do.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Case McCoy buries Longhorns in Waco
is a more accurate title. He’s an above average 3A high school player starting in the Big 12,
I have no idea how Miles Onyegbule
can’t be considered for QB but Case and David Ash can.
I seriously think we’re so bad at QB that we have other skill position players that would be more productive at the QB position. Jaxon Shipley might even be more viable just due to his field awareness.
Also Baylor's staff made some nice adjustments at halftime
Their route schemes seemed to change to perfectly burn our zone by sending receivers to the soft spots on the boundary. On D it looked like they put more defenders in the middle of the field and forced Case to beat them with throws to the sideline and we epically failed at that. Nice work by Baylor’s coaches.
Finally dry and warm after damp day in Waco
Wow, that was the most horrifying QB performance I’ve seen since …. Shay Morenz? Nope, even he wasn’t that bad.
The Bears defense is obviously horrendous, or there’s no way the Good Guys would’ve still been competitive early in the third quarter. Breaking the few big plays was nice, but Texas couldn’t sustain a drive or stop the Bears, thanks to:
- running around the end, over and over again, with no success. Why did they keep trying this?!?!
- Case badly underthrowing the ball, resulting in the INTs.
- flat-out bizarre officiating reminiscent of the farewell game for Grant Taeff (although Texas legitimately should have won that one)
- DBs getting killed over the middle, time and time againt
- DBs pointing the finger at one another, right from the first Baylor score of the game – not a good team spirit on that
While Floyd Casey had more Baylor fans than I’ve seen at this game in years, it remains pitiful that they couldn’t sell out a match between two top-25 teams, on senior day, with their QB a legit Heisman contender. As usual, there were lots of folks in burnt orange there – probably about 1/4 of the crowd.
Watch out, I bite.
by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Dec 4, 2011 9:42 AM CST reply actions
Nah.
The game yesterday was much more reminiscent of a McWilliams- or Mackovic-era debacle.
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by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Dec 4, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Safety play
Anyone catch the interview with Briles after halftime when he said their offensive strategy would continue to be attacking our safeties? We all knew this would be the case, but it’s really sad when an opposing coach can publicly come out and say it.
Did anyone else find themselves not caring too much about this game?
Just curious. This is the first game in maybe 10 years where I didn’t care too much that I missed kick off. I also wasn’t hugely deflated when we lost. Even last year I cared more about the result about every game…mostly because i was convinced there was no way we were as bad as we were.
This is how I know it’s time for Mack to go. When fan’s become apathetic, the coach needs to go.
Maybe it has more to do with knowing a running team with its top 3 backs out and no real qb to beat robert griffin is not gonna happen.
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by matthew62 on Dec 4, 2011 10:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
For all those calling for Mack's head
Firing Mack is not going to solve anything. Just ask aTm. Really, its already been stated, but Mack was relying heavily on GG. In retrospect, the injury to Colt in the NC game might have permanently altered GG’s mental outlook. That’s bad luck. Our top 3 backs injured. That’s bad luck. Shipley, injured and clearly gimped in the Baylor game even though he played great. That’s bad luck. If you want to get back to NC caliber, I think we are looking at 1-2 years with Mack and 3 or more with anyone else. The transition should be planned out and calculated, not reactionary. If we don’t have the injuries we had, we win Miz and K-State, finishing with 9 wins, maybe even 10 if we beat OkState. We were in that game too. The team is so young. The defense is going to be top 3 in the country next year. And our running backs are spectacular. The O line will get bigger and improve. Obviously, QB is a huge issue, but we will deal with it.
I will fault Mack for one thing: he clung to Greg Davis for WAY too long. I know this sounds weird, but comparing this season’s offensive play calling to Greg Davis,’ even during NC years, is no contest for me. I like HarsinWhite. And losing Muschamp for Diaz is looking like a blessing in disguise.
Just give me an Applewhite. Is he procreating or what?
Happy Happy Joy Joy
Blowing sunshine bubbles about an opponent is a great way to deflect the ignominy and nausea, parts of the natural phases a person goes through, after that opponent just whooped your ass. But I agree with everything you said, PB.
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Tulsa Time
If B.J.KInne doesn’t transfer to Tulsa, doesn’t he start last yr and this yr? All other guys redshirt except GG who would have backed-up Kinnne. Then the picture changes, does it not? I feel like even with a couple of other QB busts, the recruiting was still there to succeed….
If...
If I wasn’t a Baylor grad…I wouldn’t have been a Horn fan for the last 10 years or so and wouldn’t be both thrilled for BU and a little pissed about UT today
If RGIII doesn’t win Heisman…I will just as mad as when VY1 didn’t win
If Gideon and McCoy had swapped positions at the half…both positions would have been upgraded
If Mack is as excited about coaching as Art…it sure doesn’t show
If Mossy Cade and Jerry Gray had started last night…it wouldn’t have made much difference
Well ok, that one is stretching it
If David Ash is the answer…you need to ask a different question
If the Horn DE’s played ‘lights out’ any time this season…I was in the dark about that
If the refereeing had been better…they woulda have to put way more than a second on the clock to help UT win
If Johnson was in some sorta shape…might made a huge difference
If Goodwins game was not an anomaly…I will be really surprised
If johnathan Gray gains about 25 pounds…he’ll be more Bensonish than Metcalfish
Quarterback Development
IMHO, the key to the QB’s future development is actually on the OL. Hopefully, this young group will continue to improve and add more consistancy and power to to the run game while greatly improving pass protection. If the OL becomes gang busters… then the QB situation will improve greatly as a result. The good news is that looking back at the 2011 season…. the Burnt Orange pile moved the opponents pile more than they did in 2010. I’m looking for that to continue. Now… all you lineman on both sides of the ball get back to the weight room!
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