Mack Brown Post-Season Press Conference Notes
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 12:25 PM CST
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PrintFor the final time before the 2012 class signs in early February, Texas head coach Mack Brown met with the media on Friday to discuss the 2011 season and look forward to 2012.
Head on after the jump to find out what Brown talked about.
- David Ash will be given a chance to work at punter this spring in an effort to fill the void created by the graduation of Justin Tucker. However, given how much development Ash still needs at quarterback, the coaching staff would be well advised to pursue other options, as well.
- Harsin, Applewhite, Diaz, and Wyatt all declined opportunities to interview for head coaching positions. While it's not surprising that Harsin and Diaz had the chances, it is surprising to see the names of Applewhite and Wyatt in there, especially considering that so little is known about Applewhite in terms of his offensive philosophy.
- Joe Bergeron was not able to practice full speed during the lead up to the Holiday Bowl and Brown admitted that both he and Malcolm Brown were less than 100% for the game. No more 29-carry games in 2012 for either, please.
- Brown pointed out that starting center Dom Espinosa missed the spring with a shoulder injury, which limited his strength training and his ability to work with Stacey Searels. After struggling against the bull-strong Cal nose tackle, Bennie Wylie needs to be Espinosa's best friend in the offseason.
- Marquise Goodwin has indicated to the Texas head coach that he wants to put more focus on football this spring than track, a welcome sign. Brown apparently feels the same way, but doesn't want Goodwin to jeopardize his chances to compete in the Olympics. With how much Goodwin improved from the end of the season to the bowl game, it's clear that he could make another major leap if he can devote more time to football, but the fact he could participate in the Olympics throws everything into question.
- MJ McFarland, Sedrick Flowers, and Taylor Doyle were all mentioned as players who have a chance to make an impact next season. While the first two aren't surprising -- especially since Flowers probably would have been in the rotation had he not been injured -- Doyle's name is a surprise after a senior season in high school that made him look like a poor take. If he can contribute next season, it would be a major boost to offensive line depth. As for McFarland, the current tight end played wide receiver in high school and could be a major boost to the passing game, but the major question remains whether he can perform well enough as a blocker to truly provide stronger contributions than Texas got in 2011.
- The offensive coaches will likely spend some time with the New Orleans Saints during the offseason, while the defensive staff will probably visit with the New York Jets.
- The best quarterback will play next season, but Brown said that he would prefer for young quarterbacks to redshirt if possible.
- Preferred walk on Ben Pruitt, a US Army All-American and the final edition to the 2011 class, will have the first opportunity to earn the place-kicking job. Bad news for Will Russ, who could be on his way out.
- Brown expects the defense to be improved at every position but linebacker in 2012.
- Brown reiterated that Kenny Vaccaro will be returning to school and said that Alex Okafor will as well.
- Emmanuel Acho and Keenan Robinson have been invited to the Senior Bowl. Blake Gideon and David Snow were invited to the East-West game.
- Texas should be able to contend for the Big 12 next season and then for a national championship the following year, according to Brown, the exact trajectory that would match the previous seasons coming off Holiday Bowl appearances.
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Very Good News All Around
Looking forward to 2012.I’m still dubious about the QB situation.If Ash were to go down we would be back to having a true frosh QB again.I would hope Case would transfer so we could bring in a competent backup.
IMHO Goodwin was the MVP of the Holliday Bowl.I hope he has success in whatever he wants to do.
We could be back to the days when we won games with the D under Mike Campbell.
Can’t wait to see what Gray brings to the table.
by TCB Orange Dino on Dec 30, 2011 12:39 PM CST reply actions
Also
Brown says that David Ash is the starter going into the spring and that no one has asked for a transfer. Yet.
In addition, OB is reporting that Dominique Jones will likely not be back with the team, as expected after missing the Holiday Bowl due to grades.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions
Big Roy
Where did Mack do this news conference? Was it online, LHN . . .?
Thanks for the information. Also, yesterday’s recruiting situationer.
Impressive that 4 assistants had HC offers. If we manage 10-2, 11-2 next fall, there will be some staff vacancies!
It was not online,
but may have been on LHN. I was following on Twitter, as there were a couple of radio and TV people tweeting about it.
Definitely think that it will be virtually impossible to keep this staff together past 2012, but that’s a good problem to have. Also a positive that Mack has a recent list of assistants he likes and clearly did a good job putting together the current staff. No reason to think he won’t be able to do so again with more due diligence.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed on staff replacements
We have the resources and visibility to hire about anyone we need to fill a staff vacancy. My strong personal view is that one of the poisonous threads Mack let start and fester, from 2006-2010, was staff stagnation.
I think all of his assistants in the 2004-05 era were fine, some better than that. Akina and Muschamp may have edged into the excellent category, and Greg Davis was close to that level. Applewhite seems headed in that direction. But the lack of new ideas, the insulation from new concepts and energy, the advancing age difference between 21-year-old players and assistant coaches were THE factors that led to poor scouting, recruiting, development and attitude within the program.
All of which led to us going 13-12 the last two seasons.
Mack needs a new face, a new voice, new ideas and opinions every year or two. Even if he has to force a staff opening to make that happen.
Mack definitely fell behind.
One of the major signs was that he didn’t realize everyone else had a dedicated football strength and conditioning coach. Hopefully he learned his lesson.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
What was Maddog doing besides S&C?
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 30, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Maddog is the Head of S&C for the entire athletics dept
So there’s a lot more admin work that takes away his time.
That's what he is now, not what he was before Wylie arrived, correct?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 31, 2011 7:49 AM CST up reply actions
Akina
I thought that Akina interviewed for the head coaching position at Hawaii? Why no mention of that in his coaches interviewing but not accepting positions pitch? Should I worry that Akina accepted at Hawaii? I’m a little paranoid. Don’t want to lose my Akina.
It could mean that he didn’t “decline” the opportunity to interview, and has no interest in a lateral move to Hawaii.
Akina will be staying.
Brown already talked about Akina interviewing, so I just don’t think it was worth bringing up again. But Brown has also said several times recently that the entire coaching staff will be intact, so he seems pretty confident about it.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Case
I’ve gotta assume he’ll consider a transfer after not playing when the offense struggled in the 1st half…..that just makes sense for him. Unless he’s ok with being a backup to Ash or Brewer.
who would take him?
love the McCoy family, but Case doesn’t have D-I arm strength. If he is smart, he stays, learns and begins thinking about coaching.
I still can't believe Fred Akers went for the tie...
After the BYU and A&M game..,
Someone will take him…may not be a BCS program but plently of non AQ DI’s would love to have him…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
by TowerPower on Dec 30, 2011 1:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I guess that makes sense if the only goal is to be a starter
But it seems like an awfully short-sighted move. Especially from an education point of view, which is all the more important for a guy who clearly isn’t NFL-bound.
by dumeril7 on Dec 30, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
a guy who clearly isn’t NFL-bound.
which is why I agree with motolove. If you’re not going to make a career playing, your remaining options are to get an academic degree of some use, or to study the game well enough to go into coaching. In either case he’s better off remaining in Austin, because with Mack, Major, and Harsin, UT is like the Sorbonne of offensive coaching. ACU would be a ridiculous move in that light.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 30, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
Never forget....
….. that Brad is involved. When considering the value of a UT degree, all Brad sees is some coach/staff disagreeing with his evaluation of Case’s play.
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I think being a starter is his motivation
Seems to fit with the grumblings about his attitude. I agree with BrooklynHorn but I think Case had a sense of entitlement coming into the whole thing. ACU isn’t a bad school though if you want to stay in the central and western areas of Texas.
Being from Lubbock, I have a lot of friends that went to ACU and it’s a good private school. However, I thank the man above everyday for me going to UT haha
I'd hold the celebration
Until the declaring deadline passes.
by CMDR on Dec 30, 2011 2:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There's no way this team can be ignored going into next season.
Ash will continue to improve. The stable of horses. The speed on the outside will be there but getting them to block effectively will be of help, too. The D, well, I don’t think there’s anything else to say about that side of the ball. The hardest to excel at is OL and that has to be a primary focus next year. Some of the kids need to learn to stay with their blocks a little longer as well as get more of a mean streak but they’re making strides.
27-25: SCOREBOARD - to infinity and beyond!
Another offseason
with Bennie Wylie will be huge, especially for guys like Mason Walters and Dom Espinosa who weren’t really able to work with him that much because of injuries. Not to mention Josh Cochran.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
OL development
You’re dead on sir. A full offseason with Wylie will be a blessing for our OL. Also, Searels having another full spring with these guys will help. My prediction for starting OL next year is: Cochran, Flowers, Espinosa, Walters, Hughes.
Do you mean Hawkins instead of Hughes?
If so, I agree, though I think that Hopkins might be able to hold off Flowers if he moves back inside. Either way, Texas should have much better depth next season.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, too many H's
Keep getting the Jucos mixed up. One should change his name to another with a different beginning letter.
Flowers is the least safe in my prediction but Searels seems to like him. I’m mostly excited about Cochran. Really think he has a shot at be very special.
my prediction
cochran, hopkins, espinosa, walters, Hawkins. With a chance Walters moves to center and Flowers goes to the other guard. I hope that is not necessary
Ghost.....what do you hear......
….about G.Greenlea’s ACL tear and rehab? Will be in the mix in August? More nasty attitude for this fan of the running game.
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#17 in a pre-preseason poll
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by TowerPower on Dec 30, 2011 1:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This
Ash will continue to improve.
When everyone makes their judgment on Ash it seems they make it in a static environment where he is always a Freshman and doesn’t have an off season to get stronger and mature in the offense. Ash may not be the guy of the future. However, no one knows that right now and needs to slow that roll and put things in perspective with him.
Great news on Oak and KennyV. IMHO they will both benefit tremendously from another year and end up having a chance to be first round picks next year.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
But Beergut said on Twitter
the other night that he has a better chance of being drafted than KV. Maybe Beergut is a way better athlete than we thought?
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Clearly, the wrongness there is following beergut on twitter
Can’t imagine what he would ever have to say that is even factually accurate, much less interesting enough to read.
Ha!
I don’t actually, simply had it show up in my timeline. I blocked miketag, which was one of the more rewarding things I did in 2011.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
lost a lil respect for you in that you miketag in position where he needed to be blocked
you are better than that G.
Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.
by dukeoforange on Dec 30, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
*sarcasm*
Because being a Texas fan means never having to say you're sorry.
by dukeoforange on Dec 30, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
I wondered what happened to miketag.
After he said that UT was going to get “raped” this year I was wondering how long he was going last. Don’t need any Sandusky-types in this community.
im not sure about this
But I think he’s writing columns for bleacher report
In The Morning To You
by horns1025 on Dec 30, 2011 4:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He capitalized the T in Texas
and lightning from heaven struck him instantly.
I told the people of my district that I would serve them as faithfully as I had done; but if not ... you may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas. -- Davey Crockett
by pleaseplaykindle on Dec 30, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
weiner cousins
not a lot of sheep in the herd as their saying goes.
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Dec 30, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
I typed out about 4 different responses
to this before I finally decided to go with this one.
sigh
Aggies…
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
beergut has a twitter account?
This I gotta see
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by horns1025 on Dec 30, 2011 4:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
HE also said..
That a+m had a good chance to play for NC for the 2011 season, and that, at worst a+m is going 8-4 in 2012. What does that all mean?
means he's lost his mind
In The Morning To You
by horns1025 on Dec 30, 2011 4:57 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
He's dyslexic
They’ll be 4-8 and playing for the Cartoon Network.
by whills on Dec 30, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And he's back!
haha I was wondering where you had been.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Haven't been able to get on the net much
Don’t have it at home at this time, which I hope will change because I can’t tell you how much I miss this info stream and the community interaction, Coach, just as any player misses his team, particularly when it is as entertaining as this one.
I just barely have time to keep up at this point. BON authors pop in and out as the aspects of our life change, but we all do come back at some point. This will be an extremely important year for Texas football in which we find which side of the line between ‘rebuilding’ and ‘rebuilt’ that we really stand on, whether it is like a structure properly built or a rubble pile from an avalanche just adjusting for each shock.
Happy New Year!
Happy New Year to you as well, my friend.
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-Walter Payton
Agreed
I’m happy Ash will actually get the chance for some development now. He has potential to be a good QB. What really bothered me was how the other QBs didn’t let him get any 7 on 7 reps…indicator of the problems we have had at QB and I’m glad that little bit of entitlement is gone.
7on7
I think that’s more the nature of having three other quarterbacks who needed time to develop. Not sure I would blame that on the other guys, but it definitely set Ash back a bit.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
But...
Mack said himself “they” didn’t let him get any reps didn’t he? Not being there, I wouldn’t put full blame on any one thing but it still bothers me. Either way, I agree it set him back some.
His touch seemed a little better though…maybe a sign of what some good development work can do? Hope so
If you have four quarterbacks
they just aren’t all going to get the reps that they need.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
dont forget
Ash was #4 on the depth chart and looking like a sure redshirt candidate at that time.
Especially when you have....
2 of them listening to their helicopter dads.
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Perspective on Ash.....totally agree
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 30, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Please let Ash not punt a single ball. Please let us find a punter so we can use our dominating defense to win the field position game to set up short fields for our still learning offense.
This basic football math – why do we not have a punter!?!
OK, I’m done.
I still can't believe Fred Akers went for the tie...
If Ash earns the starting QB job, I don't mind if he punts a few, but mostly pooches
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 30, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Ash was an all-state punter.
Why not develop a skill he obviously has used with success? This was also sets up quick kicks and trick plays. Quick kicks can be a vicious weapon to change field position quickly. DKR was a master; now almost a lost art.
They will probably have a regular punter for most situations.
LOL - I heard Bobby Lane used to punt as well.
by Longhorn Doc on Dec 30, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
So was Bill Bradley
who really was the best instrument for DKR with the quick kick, because he could do a scissor two-step kick from six-seven yards behind the LOS…best I saw was 75+ yards net.
True, this was more of a running era tool when third and long from your own 20 was more difficult. So, you flipped the field with little risk. Or course, you had to have a defense much like we have now.
The LB corps loses some important players, but...
…it shouldn’t be a bad unit in 2012. Hicks really showed what he can do the other night, and Cobbs, Edmond, Jackson, Thompson, and Benson ought to round out an excellent group. Health really seems to have kept Cobbs and Hicks from becoming true stars yet, but I think they’re probably going to be nice players in 2012.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 30, 2011 1:14 PM CST reply actions
LBs will be good once again.
I think Mack was merely playing it safe with his statements. Hicks showed just how good he can be when healthy. Cobbs is crazy fast. Edmond is just nasty. I think Manny will put in the work and we will be happy with our LBs. Great ability with amazing talent.
LBs next year
remind me a lot of the DBs this year. Lots of unproven talent and loads of potential.
Will Tevin Jackson play? I was really excited to see him on the field.
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they have a puncher's chance
if they play KSU football than they control the game and dont give Arky anything to work with as far as mistakes/turnovers.
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by dukeoforange on Dec 30, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
ISU wont be OSU...KSU can't hang with OSU
Things people said and were proven wrong. KSU took OSU to the brink and OSU is much better than Arky. I wouldn’t be surprised is KSU wins and makes Arky look mediocre.
KSU has more than enough oomph to beat Arky
They’re a great team.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 30, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. IowaState and KSU....
…..were the only two Big-XII teams playing the underdog role.
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GoBR
Do you think its possible Flowers and Hopkins could force Walters to the bench? I think Walters gets beat a lot for how big he is.
If Espinoza has a set back could Walters play center? or maybe Hopkins?
Not GoBR here . . .
But your latter is my guess — Walters to center. He played there in high school.
Hawkins and Cochran outside, Hopkins and Flowers inside, Walters in the middle.
I can’t envision Walters not starting; think he’ll be the star of the line. Hopkins is a stud . . . besides not being a natural tackle, he played left guard in the spring and was at that spot for 1-2 weeks of August drills.
It was at that time that Espinoza came alive, and Paden Kelley lost the right tackle job to Hopkins.
Conventional wisdom as it comes to offensive line
Is that when you are replacing people you want to move as few of people as possible in order to make that move. That being said, moving an established, potential All Big-12 player from RG to center where he is not a proven commodity in order to insert another player at the position who is not a proven commodity either defies logic. Does it mean it won’t happen? No. Only Searles knows the best line combination. However, I try to not do that with my boys. You want to keep your lineups as consistent as possible. I think you are far more likely to see Flowers or Hop get center reps over moving Walters.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
How would you rank our OL this year?
I mean, player-by-player across all positions, top-to-bottom?
I’d put Espinosa somewhere near the bottom, and Walters somewhere near the top.
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by pleaseplaykindle on Dec 30, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
In order from top to bottom
Walters
Hopkins
Cochran
Snow/Espinosa
I may not be giving Snow a fair shake here but I just don’t ever recall a time where I was impressed by anything he did.
I have little doubt that Walters and Hopkins are NFL caliber linemen. Jury is still out on Cochran and Espy.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
I agree on the order
Don’t think Flowers beats out Hopkins for guard, and don’t think Walters moves.
I like the lineup of Hawkins and Cochran at OT, Hopkins and Walters at OG, and Espinosa at Center.
Lets not forget how young these guys were this year. A lot of improvement possible (especially for Espinosa) between now and August. And we will finally have the depth, strength training, and coaching that we haven’t had since 2005.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
While Walters still has a lot of necessary growth left
I don’t see him getting beat out for a job.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Espinosa
Why did the broadcasters pick him as one of our two ‘Impact’ players?
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Prolly the Matchup
They knew we needed to run the ball and Cal had a good nose. It actually was a good pick, as he did get dominated and it really hurt us offensively in the first half. Pretty tough for a frosh to start at C – I think he held up pretty darn well given the experience level.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Redshirt freshman, for what it's worth.
I told the people of my district that I would serve them as faithfully as I had done; but if not ... you may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas. -- Davey Crockett
by pleaseplaykindle on Dec 30, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
"Redshirt" F
as he was out all spring with his shoulder. Time in the weight room is not something that can be picked up with a sling on.
What's up with Russ? Is our Shreveport Evangel Christian pipeline effectively closed?
I thought he was a safe recruit. Is he just not a good kicker?
Plus, I think every year, there should be a campus-wide walk-on tryout for kicker (inspired by Mike Leach).
Surely there is someone on such a huge campus that can kick and at least be a backup instead of wasting kicking reps with one of our scholarship players. Just don’t under any circumstances call it the 12th man or we’ll have to beat you silly.
Sigh
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2010/1/31/1286144/will-russ-to-texas-2010-class
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2010/1/28/1274363/the-last-of-the-latest-recruits
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2010/1/29/1283384/will-russ-committed-to-texas
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 30, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Some talk that Texas could go after OT Josh Thomas
but I don’t really see that happening with a strong in-state class in 2013.
Russ has been a disappointment. I thought he was going to be an important commit in the class and it just hasn’t happened. He hasn’t had the expected leg on kickoffs and has looked poor when I’ve seen him in open practice and warm ups punting. Apparently he isn’t doing great place-kicking either if Pruitt is going to get the first shot.
Of course, Hunter Lawrence was something of a disappointment at the same point in his career and managed to rebound, but I would put the odds of Russ pulling off a similar feat much lower.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
strong safety?
Will that be Adrian Phillips? Or do u see more then one player switching in and out..
Our strong strong secondary sailor bee incredible next year just want the safeties to be solid so we don’t see gideon running after them from behind all the time.
All we need is ash to be more consistant on his throws and we could win the big 12 easy.
I wouldn't say easy
I don’t think Landry Jones is the QB that the national pundits make him out to be but if he comes back as a 3 year starter in that offense OU will still be difficult to knock off.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
Agreed
But, Baylor with no Griffin (I am assuming) and OSU with no “Weeden to Blackmon”, and KSU surely will regress to the mean, this will likely make the Big 12 much softer next year.
Probably should have phrased it
“All we need is ash to be more consistant on his throws and we couldwin the big 12 easyeasily be good enough to compete for the Big 12 title.”
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read over at recruitocosm (per twitter) that Case is telling teammates he is transferring
…..can we go get a graduate or JUCO transfer QB now?
If true, thanks for the Aggie game scramble, and see ya later.
This guy is sounding more and more like a bad seed. Again, this assumes the rumors are true. I have no idea. But I wouldn’t leave him alone with Cobbs.
And it surely would open up the juco option.
case tweeted to quandre diggs that diggs could have his #6 jersey next year
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Dec 30, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Send Salt Lick BBQ to Charlie for QB
We need Crist from Kansas – he is the perfect compliment to what we have here. I tell you if Connor Wood ends up as good as Kinne will be ticked.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
But we'll have to lure him from Houston, UTEP or Memphis.
According to my quick web research. So does he want to compete for a start or be handed the keys? TBD.
Technically
Christian Scott was preventing Quandre from 6 – not Case. So hopefully he isn’t leaving to free up the jersey.
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Meh.
Christian Scott wore #6 on defense this year, so it’s open regardless of what Case does.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Bad seed how?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 30, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
I am With You BOH
All this chisme about attitude and know one stepping up and calling him out on the record. I don’t like it.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Lots of smoke makes me think there is a fire.
I’m definitely not claiming to know one way or the other for sure, but the dots are starting to connect. Couple of things come to mind:
- The OU game where he caused Harsin to have a meltdown.
- Dad interfering with the program
- Talk of a McCoy “camp” on the team
- Tweeting about giving up your jersey
Any one of which would be a deal breaker for me if I were a coach.
Especially considering his lack of physical skills he needs to be ALL about intangibles and those seem to be highly questionable at this point.
Regarding the "McCoy Camp"
I think this has ticked me off the most. His other brother was tweeting his dislikes as well. Really thought more of the family than what we have seen this year. I personally don’t think Colt is involved in this debacle though.
Rumor on the Browns boards is that McCoy basically told dad to shut up and stay out of it. If so, good for him. Colt has really been screwed over in Cleveland. If they draft Blackmon or another top notch WR first round…Colt is safe. We shall see.
Really?
I must’ve missed those tweets. I would’ve thought someone would’ve posted them here.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 31, 2011 7:50 AM CST up reply actions
no?
losing our 2nd string qb doesnt matter IMO. ash is the guy moving into spring and we’re sticking with him
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Dec 30, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
You're not used to it by now?
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I See His Point
I think he felt he was better than Ash on gameday and it was pretty much true with exception of Baylor game.
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50/50
His arm strength is and will still be a big concern. Plus, that kind of attitude can be good for competition but when it gets past that point, it will lead to problems. If he feels he is getting screwed, then he needs to go somewhere else and be happy.
I wish no bad luck on him at all. I think we all know he would do much better at a lesser school.
Can't Argue
Would like to see the impact of fixing his mechanics on his arm strength. He does see things downfield pretty well.
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I could understand his viewpoint
He may feel he is better than Ash but the point is – he is still not good enough for Texas. Ash may very well not be good enough either – hence the two freshmen coming in next year.
by Longhorn Doc on Dec 30, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
If Case transfers
I would be supportive of going after a JUCO/graduate transfer.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 30, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Visiting the pros
It would be hard to find a better team to visit than the Saints for your offense. I’m not sure the Jets would be my pick for defense. They’re pretty good, but I think a defense that is more consistent in more areas is the Baltimore Ravens. Or the Steelers. How are these deals done?
RE: NFL visits
Why isn’t the Texas defensive staff visiting with the best defensive staff in the pros, right down the highway in Houston?
Because Houston runs a 3-4
Manny would learn plenty (as I’m sure he already has) from Dick LeBeau
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Jets run a 3-4 too....nt whills
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
I would figure they'd want to learn from a team that runs a more similar defense
Texas runs a different front four and backfield.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 30, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
When you meet with another team
it doesn’t have to be one who runs the same defense. They will go in there looking for things that they do that can be implemented in to what they already do. It could be coverages against certain formation or personnel groupings or different techniques used to teach.
"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton
just a thought
First Ryan is a great defensive mind. One of the best in the NFL. 2nd- they love to bring pressure from antwhere, sound familar? 3rd- they love to play man. Which Diaz is probably still a little uncomfortable with, but with Akina here it makes sense to be heavy man defense
by codaxx on Dec 31, 2011 2:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
one of the hardest parts of blitzing is that often times you have to play man. That means you better be great at getting to the QB or you better have corners, safeties, and LB’s that can cover while you are trying to get there. I think the staff stands to gain a lot from the visit to both the Saints and Jets.
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-Walter Payton
question
besides qb what is our weakest position overall coming back next year?? and do u see ne of the incoming wr’s starting over mike davis obviously if we get dgb he will be strting!!
What makes you think DGB will be starting?
A freshman is still a freshman.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 30, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
Jaxon Shipley
Shipley makes me think DGB would start. Shipley was a true freshman this year and was also our most productive receiver. We don’t have many playmakers at receiver at this point, in case you didn’t notice. Are you going to tell me you think Shipley the Younger is just head and shoulders better than DGB? Because that would be absurd. We’re talking about arguably the top recruit in the nation, period. Not just the top receiver, which is not even debated by any of the recruiting services at this point. Yes this guy would start from day 1, and would likely be our best receiver from day 1.
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Shipley is still better
hes already adjusted to college speed
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by horns1025 on Dec 31, 2011 1:06 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
DGB will definitely start
Huge guy with excellent hands and speed. Should be an outstanding blocker if he tries. Big enough to catch passes over the middle. Fast enough, tall enough, and aggressive enough to go deep and win the 50-50 ball. He’s also an outstanding basketball player, was the center on Hillcrest’s state champion bball team. DGB will be far and away our best WR. WR is not like OL or QB, a player can much more easily step in and play WR as a frosh.
Mike Davis
Seems per the Recruitocosm/Inside Texas source, Davis is looking to transfer as well. Wonder if this is secondary to Wyatt being unhappy or him just not making an impact anymore. Interesting…
read the same thing
but it also said that u have to take what he says with a grain of salt cause he goes thru mood
swings!!!!
Which is part of his problem ...
If he wants to go, I say, hit it. He has been a major disappointment. We will be upgrading next year at WR.
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by Distributor of the Football on Dec 30, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
Would Hate to See It
My hunch is temporary frustration. Not a lot of passing efficiency from the QBs this year. This guy can be good.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
Could be but...
He seems to have tailed off. I wouldn’t blame the QBs though…he has been hit in the hands numerous times and just didn’t make the play. He has also been having serious trouble getting seperation this year which really concerns me.
I wonder what happened to Davis and the rest
Really, it seems like none of the receivers can catch a cold, except possibly Shipley. How is it possible that Wyatt wasn’t able to coach that out of them?
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 30, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
He can't catch the freaking football
Let him go
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by luvcollegefootball on Dec 30, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
His attitude....
…. was poisoned by White.
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I just had a thought - maybe someone has some inside info
If McCoy is that unhappy and wants to transfer – how does this affect Shipley? I know the Shipleys and the McCoys are very close.
i dont think Jaxon will transfer
regardless of what Case does
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by horns1025 on Dec 30, 2011 6:43 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
No way ... Ship stays. Why would he go to play at Louisiana-Monroe, or some juggernaut like that? Plus, he's a lifetime Longhorn. P
Plus, his brother would kill him. I expect that the McCoys understand (Colt included) that Case is no big brother. Ships understand, too.
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by Distributor of the Football on Dec 30, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
If Jaxon would walk because he's more loyal to Case than Texas, then let him go
That said, I doubt very seriously he would even think about it. Jaxon has NFL potential. Tying his fortunes to Case would be incredibly foolish.
Ship is going nowhere
He knows that UT can be his gateway to the NFL. He also is ahead of Jordan when Jordan was a freshman. Ship may not agree with what has gone down but he will do what’s best for his career not Case.
Off Topic
Why no open thread for other bowl games? Was surprised to see nothing for the Alamo Bowl. Isn’t anyone watching Iowa v. OU tonight? The season is almost over – I want to watch as much college football as possible…
there should be a thread for the Insight Bowl
we have the right to gather and watch Stoops choke again
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Anyone seen the new Aggie commercial on ESPN???
Just saw it while watching the MSU-Wake Forest game. Changing the game in 2012 hahaha. Wonder how much more in debt they just went into to pay for that prime slot commercial?
"Changing the game"
Like from 9-3 in 2010
To 6-6 on 2011
To, uh, whatever that progression leads to in 2012. Maybe 4-8.
3-9
would be the logical progression. Of course, with a new coach, who was successful at a lower level but has never been a head coach in any AQ conference, much less the $EC, who knows?
It could be anything from 2-10 to 5-7, but I would guess your 4-8 pick is probably the most likely outcome.
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by Longhorn in Canada on Dec 30, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
4-8 and 3-9 are both logical progressions
One would represent two-thirds as many wins as the previous season (9 to 6 and 6 to 4), while the other would represent three fewer wins than the previous season (9 to 6 and 6 to 3).
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 30, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
would you expect anything less?
I bet Venables is PISSED about having to split his duties with Stoopsie 2.0
Who would care? Most people...
…..would point out that Venables is darn lucky to have a job at OU. As for scoring, if the Iowa defense doesn’t like it, then they should try stopping it. Football is a contact sport….not similar to flower arranging.
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2012
for 2012 to be a success i hope mack does not view the bowl game as proof that ash is the man.he did this with gilbert after the 2009 national championship game.we need more options at quarterback.i think ash has the tools to be a good player but he is not even close yet.the next trouble spot is o-line.hopefully the players are in place.searles has upgraded the play in year one with a young line.better play upfront is a must.the running backs and receivers should have enough talent and depth to be an upgrade.the defense has holes at linebacker but hicks at least made plays against cal for the first time this year.i think the talent is there for the lb`s to be really good with edmond,cobbs,hicks,thompson,and benson.at safety there should be huge upgrades with the loss of gideon and scott.there is no way whomever plays that they could miss as many tackles and fail to cover receivers as bad as those 2 did.the d-line could be outstanding if brandon moore or malcom brown can play anywhere near as well as kheeston randall played down the stretch.the other d-tackles all made plays as role players but not sure if any of them can be every down players.if mario edwards signs we will have 3 elite ends.so in closing i think we are very close to being able to compete again.but we have to have much better play at qb,we need better play from the o-line,the backs and receivers need to stay healthy,and the defense just needs to plug a few leaks
Just read the transcript at MBTF.com
-Taylor Doyle was not singled out, he was just included in a mention of all the OL that redshirted, that also included Hutchins, Flowers and Greenlea.
-Russ was mentioned as getting work specifically at kickoffs and will have first shot a punting. Doesn’t sound nearly as dire as twitter must have made it sound.
-No mention of contending for Big 12 and national titles.
-Mentioned Greg Daniels as a possible TE candidate in an effort to get bigger at the position.
Also mentioned Whaley as a possible TE
and also said McFarland is up to 254 pounds now. Those are 3 big TEs.
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