Texas Headed to the Holiday Bowl, Will Face Cal
by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Dec 4, 2011 7:41 PM CST
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PrintA year after staying home for the holidays with a 5-7 record, the Longhorns will be participating in a bowl game this season after accepting an invitation to head to San Diego to play in the Holiday Bowl against the 7-5 Cal Bears.
Despite not having faced each other since 1970, the Longhorns and Bears have some recent history, with Cal fans still upset about what they perceived as lobbying by Mack Brown to help the Longhorns receive the nod from the BCS to play Michigan in the 2004 Rose Bowl, the game that helped launch the 2005 title run. Texas will enter the game with an unblemished 4-0 record all-time against Cal.
The game, played at the home of the San Diego Chargers, Qaulcomm Stadium, will be televised by ESPN with a 7 pm CST kick on December 28th.
Fans can purchase tickets at www.texasboxoffice.com, with a priority deadline of Friday, December 9th.
More on the Cal Bears in coming days, but if you'd like an advance look at the Bears, head over to SBN's own California Golden Blogs.
[Update]: Head after the jump for Mack Brown's statement on heading to San Diego:
I'm really looking forward to playing in the Bridgepoint Education Holiday Bowl and getting out to San Diego once again. The Red Coats do such a wonderful job of making it a special week with great hospitality, fun events for the guys and topping it off with a terrific game experience. The city of San Diego is not only an ideal location, but is a great host as well. The city really embraces the teams and the game.
It's always an exciting game and playing Cal will be a fun challenge for us. Jeff Tedford is a great friend who is a tremendous football coach. He's the winningest coach in Cal history, so he's had the Bears playing at a consistently high level for a long time, and we look forward to playing them.
This will be our fifth trip to the Holiday Bowl, but none of the guys on this team have had a chance to play in one, so I've told the kids that this will be one of the best bowl experiences they'll ever have."It should be extra special for Major Applewhite with him being inducted into the Holiday Bowl Hall of Fame this past summer. Major has played in the game, and now he'll have a chance to coach in it, so I know he'll be excited about that.
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With a 7-5 season could not ask for much better.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Dec 4, 2011 7:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I am ok with this.
Holiday bowl has been good to Texas over the years. Often fun games.
3rd Degree Longhorn
It's usually been the best non-tier 1 bowl out there and the games have been terrific.
I’ll always affectionately consider the Cotton Bowl tier 1, for as long as I live. SWC ties die hard.
Big XII needs to hire
Rodney Dangerfield for the new commionisher.
by RQ on Dec 4, 2011 7:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm pleased about this
It’s been my favorite non-BCS bowl game that we’ve played in.
Final score: Texas wins, 76-37-5
utterly ridiculous on Va Tech
Spanked in last game and you get rewarded? What kind of bullsh is that?!
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
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to death bro! -Ghandi
by TexasGarcia37 on Dec 4, 2011 7:54 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
BCS contradicting itself
Tell me if I remember incorrectly, but back when Texas got left out of the 2008 (I think) BCS title game is because they said they wanted teams who won their Conference championship game or their conference to be in the BCS title game. Now they reverse ship and decide that the Best Conference statistically in football this year, the big 12 can’t get a team in the title game by putting a 2nd place team in the SEC. The media likes to go by polls but I don’t understand how they ignore the poll for who the best conference in football is. OSU 7 wins versus teams better than .500, Alabama only 2. The proof is in the pudding.
by Ryan2907 on Dec 4, 2011 7:54 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
You're right about the conference comparison.
As of this site, the top 2 conferences in the country are the $EC and the Big 12* … and all the rest are not even close. Taking that another step, OSU should get the nod for what they have accomplished this season in playing a competitive schedule & the fact that ’Bama had their shot already.
Title Game contrvoersy
So what happens if Alabma wins in OT 9-6.
We have LSU who is 13-1 loss to Alabama in OT
We have Alabama who is 12-1 loss to LSU in OT
How can you award Alabama the trophy??? I would be a tie.
I guess they would be co-champs
Technically if Alabama wins, both teams would be 1-1 together with the same record so they should be co-champs.
If OSU beats Stanford they'd be sitting at 12-1 too with their last two wins over top 10 opponents.
I guess they’ll get a BCS Participation trophy.
My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!
Not anymore.
The Alamo recently jumped the Holiday in terms of seeds. As far as pay out I’m not sure, but it follows that it would now have a better payout if it jumped the Holiday in order of seeding.
Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men. - The Boondock Saints
Wierd
I wonder if the Texas and Iowa game in the 2006 Alamo Bowl had anything to do with that. They did set a record attendance for that year. It makes you wonder.
It's all about payout
The Alamo came up with a huge increase in its payout, while the Holiday couldn’t keep up, and payout determines the order of selection.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Dec 5, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I remember sympathizing with Cal in 2004,
until they got utterly demolished by Tech. They just looked like little bitches after that.
BEVO IS ANGRY!
whatever...
…..they were unprepared for the gimmick offense and not excited to be there (not a particularly effective offensive game plan either, seeing as Cal should have run the ball down Tech’s throat instead of passing it so much, even though Aaron Rodgers was the QB - where is Sonnie Cumbie these days, anyway? And isn’t Graham Harrell Rodgers’ little b**ch backup these days?). Cal would likely have done better against Michigan than Texas did.
But keep saying this sort of thing. We like it. This game should be good, btw. I’m going and look forward to it.
i like the Holiday Bowl but damn
we gotta watch snooze fest part 2 in January…im not watching the Title Game
In The Morning To You
yeah, lol
I thought the voters didn’t want a “non conference” winner to be in the BCS Title Game. LSU losing the rematch to Alabama doesn’t prove anything.
I feel for MSU.
They beat Michigan and but for brushing against the Actor on the Wisc Team would be playing in the Rose Bowl. And Michigan moves ahead to get a BCS game? I won’t watch that game or the Title game.
3rd Degree Longhorn
See:
The pedigree argument from the day’s earlier thread. Like it or not, you knew very well that the Wolverines were getting in if eligible after being absent from the BCS for so many years.
Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men. - The Boondock Saints
I hope TEXAS
Shows up and plays a great all around sound football game. I want to see power, speed, hits, hits, hits, and execution.
Bowls picking teams
I think there should be a non-partisan committee picking the teams for all the bowls, not the bowls themselves.
Big 12 and BCS
First Ok state gets robbed on the Championship Game, no way bama should be there. Its not fair to Ok State nor LSU, the Tigers beat them on bama’s home field, so how can you crown bama if they win round two? Then KState doesn’t get taken over Michigan and Va Tech? Someone please explain…
by Texas7s on Dec 4, 2011 8:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Wow
Just popped over to californiagoldenblogs. Those people are foaming at the mouth. I did NOT realize how much bad blood they still had about us making the Rose Bowl in ‘04. I’ve never seen so many “Fuck Mack Brown” comments in one place in my life, and I’ve been to both Beergut’s site and C&CM.
Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men. - The Boondock Saints
didnt they get blown out by Tech?
how could they have been screwed? Texas in 2004 would have put 60 on them Michigan would have had that game won by halftime and thats if they had a bad night!
jesus they need to get over it its done they didnt deserve to go there so they didnt go we got the Trophy and i hope we bring the trophy to the game and parade it around in front of them
In The Morning To You
Serious reply
You pick the bowl match-ups before the game, not after. What happens after your team gets screwed out of the bowl game it feels it deserves is not indicative of how they would play if the went to the bowl game that, they, and the whole fan base believed they would be attending. Cal was ranked 4th going into the last week of play, had to play a game that had been rescheduled due to a hurricane, where we won easily. Somehow, after this, Cal, a team that had lost only one game all year by 6 points to eventual champion USC, a game, by the way where we out gained them 500 – 250- yards, dropped to 5th.
Also Tech was a bad match-up for us (our defense wasn’t built to oppose spread teams), and I’m not denying, we were unmotivated in that Holiday Bowl. Check ‘06 v TAMU for what happens when we are motivated.
I can’t prove it, but I’m sure had we faced Michigan in the Rose Bowl (different team, different scheme), we would have won easily, but it didn’t happen, and every Cal fan blames Mack Brown, who pleaded for votes in the coaches’ poll.
That’s if you care.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
ok i understand that before the game you guys would have felt upset
and hell even after the season you guys would have been upset. but just looking back at it Texas was a better team that year. we lost 1 game to a team that was in the Title Game. and in the end the Rose Bowl picked Texas and they were rewarded with a classic matchup.
in the end it was so long ago that i have hard time understanding why anyone would still be upset over it. it certainly doesnt warrant a bunch “F*** Mack Brown” comments. i mean he tried to be classy and said he looked forward to playing a great Cal team and the response from Cal fans is so hate filled
In The Morning To You
Well
I haven’t said anything about Brown, and I won’t, it’s just history at this point.
But whether Texas was the better team (at that point yes, but before we lost all our WR, I’m sure we were much better, you seen Green Bay play recently?) is irrelevant to the discussion, as is the result of the Holiday Bowl; you are picked before it happens, based on what you did that season, your resume. We deserved to go based on that resume.
No hate for Texas fans
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
well im glad you arent one of the ones yelling "F Mack"!
i dont hate Cal but i do hate it when a fanbase goes beserk over something that happened a long time ago and tries to villify a coach for simply looking after his team
In The Morning To You
But do notice we’re not vilifying your school, your team, your fans etc. I don’t care about how we got shafted, just the fact that we were – M. Brown was a convenient scapegoat for Cal fans’ anger.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
Um....no
Cal was ranked 4th going into the last week of play, had to play a game that had been rescheduled due to a hurricane, where we won easily.
You won by 10 points, USM QB Dustin Almond outplayed Aaron Rodgers, and USM had the lead with 6 minutes left in the game. You did not win easily, in fact, without Arrington going into full beast mode, you probably would have lost. That is why Texas jumped Cal in the BCS selection. Poor play in the final game of the season.
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Sorry
I just re-read it, and it may have came off asshole-ish. Not my intention, and I blame the OSU snub to getting me all riled up.
Here’s to a great Holiday Bowl and thank God that Pacific Life is not the sponsor anymore.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
i blame the OSU thing too
got me in a bad mood. Cugel i apologize if i came off as a asshole its been a upsetting night and an upsetting last two days
In The Morning To You
Indeed ...
I think Cugel’s point is somewhat valid about what happens after the selection, but seriously … Tech worked them over. Hard to see them upset given that poor performance. Better get used to it, too, Cugel, b/c the Pirate is back …
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Dec 4, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Likely
Considering Sandusky is, or was, a voter in the Harris poll!
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by Longhorn in Canada on Dec 4, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Cal fans haven't been....
….to a Rose Bowl game since 1959. A majority would prefer to go there instead of to the NCG (once). I don’t expect you to understand but Cal fans don’t have to be rational about this and won’t be.
Moved to LA in October
so i was pulling for the holiday bowl, selfishly. not the BEST bowl game but will give us a good chance to have a confidence building win moving into 2012 against a decent Cal team.
the better matchup
I think Texas and California is a better match-up than Baylor and Washington. Looks like the Holiday could jump back in front of the Alamo Bowl.
Texas WRs coach
Who coaches the WRs at Texas? Is it a hold over from Brown/Davis or a new coach? Does anyone think the WRs coach should return next year?
Darrell Wyatt.
Not a holdover from previous staff. Pretty highly regarded coach, is co-recruiting coordinator. Considering our WR class this time around, effective at that. Way too early to judge him based on WR performance in one season alone with a new offensive system and very lackluster QB play.
There is no doubt
he should return. His recruiting is top notch.
by 40A on Dec 6, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Texas beat UCLA
pretty badly this year. UCLA beat Cal somewhat handily. I will be pretty sore if Texas cannot handle this Cal team. That said, I hope that Cal gives a good game as well.
Molōn Labe
I like this bowl selection because I think we can win
With OSU getting snubbed out of the big game, and Baylor/KSU getting snubbed out of at large bids, all of the Big 12’s bowl selections are pretty winnable.
We have to pull hard for K-State to win over Arkansas and OSU to win over Stanford, but I feel pretty confident about Oklahoma-Iowa, Baylor-Washington, Texas-Cal, A&M-Northwestern, ISU-Rutgers, and Mizzou-UNC.
A lot of good, winnable games.
We destroyed TTU
who beat OU in Norman => We should’ve handled OU right? These things are good debating points but ultimately mean nothing
by LouisianaTexan on Dec 6, 2011 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
OK St.
Really how wrong is that to have them not in the championship game. You can bet that if AL had lost right after their second airplane crash killing members of their athletics department it would have been time to ignore that they had lost.
As alwaysthe system is just not fair and will continue that way till there is some form of playoff.
I can’t wait to see how RG, III gets screwed.
by eirehorn on Dec 4, 2011 8:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions
You don't even have to argue that point.
The proof is in the pudding:
Wins versus .500 or better teams:
OSU-7
bama-5
Wins versus ranked teams:
OSU-5
bama-3
That’s all there is. Again, the point isn’t who each team lost to, but the TIMING of the loss.
by 40A on Dec 6, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
one good thing
No way the sooners come to play in the Insight Bowl. We will get to watch them lose that game.
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
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by TexasGarcia37 on Dec 4, 2011 8:35 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I disagree
We’ve seen these sooners not show up in Fiesta Bowls, do you really think they are going to really try in the Insight Bowl? I don’t.
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
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by TexasGarcia37 on Dec 4, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
The partying in Tempe is way better than in Glendale
or pretty much anywhere else in the PHX area.
Or anywhere west of Austin for that matter.
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
They sure as hell showed up in the Sun Bowl after the 2009 season.
This after losing Bradford to two injuries and rallying around a RS Frosh in Landry Jones. They can and will be ready for the game.
A BCS bowl would be a different matter entirely.
by HornPossessed on Dec 5, 2011 12:57 AM CST up reply actions
That was Notre Dame they were playing.
And this is a different OU team. I think they lose again.
by 40A on Dec 6, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
OU may actually lose this one.
Their injuries cause them to lack their offense, which as college football fans should know is what most people think is OU’s best attribute. Without their offense going at high gear, they could easily drop this game to Iowa.
TEXAS FIGHT
So, yet another opponent is foaming at the mouth for revenge against Texas?
Good luck with that Cal…….maybe you should go ask Aggie & Husker fan how that turned out.
Get Ready Horn Fans. These 2nd tier bowl games are where we'll be playing for the forseeable future as long as Brown remains at the helm.
by showmehornfan on Dec 4, 2011 8:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Texas and Brown
Texas will be greatly improved next year. They will be back and be Championship contenders in 2 year max.
by Ryan2907 on Dec 4, 2011 9:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How are you still here?
You make all these backhanded comments, when you should look at the recruiting rankings for the class coming in next year, the change in coaching staff of last year, and the injuries that gave Texas little shot at winning some of the games that were lost this year. This isn’t even mentioning how many 10+ win seasons Mack had in a row.
With all of that, you’re still calling for Mack’s head. It’s just silly
TEXAS FIGHT
We go to the Rose Bowl every 4 years on their championship cycle (2005 game there and 2009 game there)
So we’ll go no matter who our coach is in 2013.
/delusional
But in all seriousness, We are to the Rose Bowl MNC what LSU is to the Sugar Bowl MNC.
by HornPossessed on Dec 5, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
I should clarify the years...
2005 season and 2009 season (games obviously on the following years)
by HornPossessed on Dec 5, 2011 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
Works for me
Only thing though is that to be true to the formula we have to win a BCS game next year
Why do cal fans think their so good.
Who cares about cal?
i have no doubt that they are good
i just dont get the whole “we hate Texas” thing i mean cant we all just move on?
In The Morning To You
California hates Texas in general ...
Thinks that we are the center of all evil in the world. This is ludicrous. That would be California.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Dec 4, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
SynTex's 2004 post
Just send Cal fans here for the definitive explanation of why they didn’t make the Rose Bowl:
http://syntex-error.blogspot.com/2004/12/post-2004-caltexas.html
http://www.twitter.com/orlansky_40as
http://www.twitter.com/JayMashBON
by 40AS on Dec 4, 2011 9:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
SEC
The SEC seems to be bad offenses designed to make the defenses look really really good. When given a month to prepare, the offense can do enough and defence can intimidate opponents and the play calling. A nice way to fool voters.
by Ryan2907 on Dec 4, 2011 9:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
2004 from a cal fan's pov
whether mack brown’s pleading was the deciding factor or not is really immaterial in how i feel about the man. he has great political power and texas football a ton of clout. my perception then was that he was leveraging this political power against jeff tedford who had very little. tedford was a third year coach who’d taken a 1-11 team to the brink of an undefeated season in three years. texas on the other hand gets all the best recruits year in and year out. they have the best facilities and a rabid fan base. you want me to admit that you guys were better that year? fine. vince young was a beast. that doesn’t change my opinion about mack brown. it’s not like 2004 was an isolated incident. he did plenty of crying a few years back when crabtree broke your hearts up in lubbock. “i don’t get it. we BEAT oklahoma.” yeah and tech beat you and if you were going leach would be saying the same thing.
i’ve lived in austin for the last two years and work feet from campus. i’m friends with lots of smart nice longhorns and people here on BON seem especially thoughtful and cool but the fanbase as a whole seems a bit arrogant and entitled. which is how mack brown’s actions strike me now and especially did back in 2004.
So you're saying
that if you worked with the players day in and day out and believed in them and that they were better, you wouldn’t voice your opinion that they’re better and deserved their shot?
TEXAS FIGHT
look...
i understand that he didn’t actually do anything egregious. i guess we’re talking gradations of shadiness. there’s a fine line between stating your case and then politicking. since mack brown had so much influence and fame and since we ended up on the raw end of that exchange it seemed like the latter to me. you guys are the yankees and the roger federers and the patriots. you get the best talent in texas and so the best talent in the world. you get to pay your coaches trillions of dollars. you get your own network (though none of you probably really get it). we totally get to hate you. that’s how this works.
the cals of the college football world aren’t allowed one off game against a conference usa opponent while the alabamas can play average against a FCS opponent at home and be in the championship game. the oklahoma states of the college football world can’t lose to in 3OT on the road to a bowl team. so all of you who are pissed about alabama and the football institution and political prowess winning out can maybe empathize with how we felt.
Yeah, we're dealing with voters...
Let’s not have any unseemly politicking.
Mack ain’t the lone ranger. If you wanna be mad, be mad that he’s so much better at it than most others.
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
You know how effective Mack's plea to the voters was?
The next week Texas dropped in the human polls. Know when Texas pulled ahead? The week after when Cal put up a bad performance against a team it should have rolled.
Mack had nothing to do with it.
TEXAS FIGHT
who cares!!!??
it’s not the efficacy of his tactics but the tactics themselves. he only TRIED to beg for votes.
any other coach would do the same
you dont think Stoops tried it in 2008? hell Stoops pretty much said “im not gonna have a platform…but here’s my platform” all Mack did was what he’s paid to do. promote Texas Football and do the very best he can to get Texas into the best Bowl game possible.
In The Morning To You
2008 was a great example
If anything, Mack didn’t whine as much as Stoops did … and it cost us.
I'd think you heartless and unloving of your team if you didn't lobby for your team as a coach.
There are times to shamelessly politic for votes. There’s a reason kids come away from recruiting trips to Texas feeling like it’s a family. You can hear it every time he talks about his players that he cares deeply for these guys. Knowing how much he does indeed feel for his players, it’s only right that he’d do this.
He did it because it’s the right thing to do.
TEXAS FIGHT
I don’t know about that, but I’ll be honest, I really don’t know that much about Mack Brown. I know he’s been around a while, so he must be good, I know he’s won a NCG, , I know he’s a CEO, not hand-on coach, I know about the Cal thing – but that’s it.
He may be a great guy, it might be nice if one of you posted something explaining why he’s a good guy at CGB. It would be interesting.
Am I known as Cugel the Clever for nothing?
if you want to pass blame
Pass blame on the system. Human voters are fallible and biased. They lean on history and not the current year only. They get influenced by over-thinking and irrelevant facts. Until we go to straight computers and formulas, the system will always be imperfect. The Michigan and Texas game that year was an instant classic and was a good game for college football.
If he has so much political clout, like you say,
then what happened in 08? You contradict yourself.
by 40A on Dec 6, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
2004
Was 7 years ago. For Cal fans to still be upset about it even after a great classic that did play on the field that year in Michigan and Texas is laughable. It’s time to move on from 2004. The Rose Bowl doesn’t ALWAYS HAVE to be Big-Ten vs PAC 10(12). Things change. The Rose Bowl is better because it’s doesn’t have to choose between only TWO conferences every year. There is more than two conferences in NCAA Division 1. I’ve always been confused of the Rose Bowl’s title, “The Grandaddy of them all” when for all those years it only featured schools from two conferences. That’s no different than the Cotton Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, or any other bowl out there.
We open as an early 7 point favorite over Cal
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
thanks for the link
going to vegas around bowl season and one of my favorite things is hitting sportsbooks
I know some of you don't like the Holiday Bowl,
but I’m pumped about this one. Not about the bowl itself, or the “status” of the bowl – but for the fact that I work every other week in San Diego (and the other weeks from TX) and the week of the 28th is one of those weeks! I’ll actually be there, with a hotel and car, and now with a ticket too. I actually got row 1 behind the Horns sideline near the 50.
I looked at the school allotments and the seating areas they gave to Texas really kinda suck. I am a season ticket holder here, but don’t rate very high on any priority lists – something about donations… I got better seats direct from Ticketmaster. Besides – I needed more than 2 tickets so I would have gone to public priority anyway, and couldn’t see waiting another 11 days to see if I could buy one through Texas. They need to have a better way of doing things, so that if someone can’t get them through the school they still have a fighting chance of getting a good seat through ticketmaster before it’s too late.
Regardless – Beat Cal! I wonder if I can come up with some good ideas for a sign since I’ll be in the front row…
Stub hub is about 30 bucks cheaper than Texas Box Office
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
Unbelievable how many teams hate us.
Is there any team in the country that galvanizes fan bases anywhere close to us?
by Texastriplecrown on Dec 4, 2011 11:29 PM CST reply actions
Notre Dame
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SECede?....Whoop(s)!!
They were hated more
before the Bush thing’s fallout dropped them from the national picture for the past couple of years.
TEXAS FIGHT
I like Longhorn (6-2 will do that) :)
its espn and LHN I don’t like.
Watching that BCS show made me feel like I’m living in Oceania.
oh hail the Purple and White
ESPN and LHN
Why the hate for the most watched sports network on Cable television that EVERY Cable provider provides in the country?? ESPN only paid for the rights to show LHN. If they paid the amount they gave to Texas to any other school in the country, there would be a Cable Network for them too. Let’s not kid ourselves. LHN is geared to Longhorn fans. It’s for Longhorn fans. There are enough of them (us) out there that ESPN felt it was warranted. Eventually LHN will be on all the other Cable providers and they will be better for offering it. Where’s there is demand ofr a product, the populous will normally get it eventually. I have LHN and I think it is good for Texas and every other team they play. Baylor fans in Waco with Grande Communications now can watch replays of the game last Saturday. When Texas plays Baylor in Volleyball, or any other sport that isn’t normally on TV, those Baylor fans will also be able to watch their team on the Longhorn Network when normally all they could do is read the paper or go to the event. LHN is a win-win for college sports, especially those who don’t get media coverage like Football and College Basketball.
Who cares? They respect the Texas program. That's what matters.
I will change my legal name to "I. M. Harsin" if Texas scores on a Statue of Liberty or Hook-and-Ladder vs. OU."
by Distributor of the Football on Dec 5, 2011 7:37 AM CST up reply actions
04 Cal
Didn’t they lose to a pretty mediocre TTU team after all that whining and complaining?
No
They got KILLED by a pretty mediocre TTU team after all that whining and complaining.
Oh yeah, Texas killed TTU that year.
But, but, but, Cal didn’t wan’t to be playing in the Holiday Bowl that year. Great teams dont’ quit when they get a raw deal, and great coaches get their teams motivated for games like that. UT has had it’s share of screwings when it comes to bowl selections and yet have a very good bowl record in the Brown era.
My apologies
Like 99% of the people who watched that game, I turned it off before Cal’s big touchdown with 43 seconds left to go to make it less than a 3 TD win. Congrats?
It doesn't really matter what happened....
…..if you want an example of a team that had a crappy game after being disappointed by being shafted out of a BCS game, I refer you to Texas vs. Washington State in 2003.
Further, Cal had no experience against that type of offense and employed the wrong strategy on offense as well, choosing to try and win with Aaron Rodgers instead of the nearly-as-talented running game. Problem with that was that by that time in the season, Cal was down three WR starters. In the third quarter, a freshman WR tipped it for a pick 6 to go down 2 TDs, and it was pretty much even the rest of the way. Cal was much better suited to play Michigan.
Dude, this argument just isn't working for you at all.
The game is over. Y’all got whupped by TTech.
This is your argument for you deserving to be in a BCS game
And not wanting to be in the Holiday Bowl?
1. Cal required the other team to play a specific type of offense in order to win.
This doesn’t really help your argument that Cal was a great team that year.
2. Cal’s game plan was bad.
Again, poor coaching doesn’t really help your case.
3. Cal had a bunch of injuries at the WR position.
Injuries and poor coaching. Again, not really helping your case.
4. Cal was better suited to play Michigan than TTU.
Great teams show up and play the team in front of them. They don’t complain about the system the other team is running.
Not for nothing, but take the 2003 Holiday Bowl, featuring a Texas team got screwed by the system. I seem to recall that team coming out flat and getting beaten by a sub-par Wazzu team.
Face it, it happens. Sometimes when a team gets screwed they just don’t care about the consolation prize. Using the Texas Tech game as justification for Cal not getting into the Rose Bowl is just lazy thinking and a convenient way to balm over the fact that they got screwed because the BCS felt they needed to make it up to you guys for the samt thing that happened to you the year before.
Being an Old Blue means embracing the "meh".
You're right
I’d use the Southern Miss game instead.
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We actually...
had an opportunity to run up the score to 33-16 late in that game. But Tedford’s classy actions apparently cost us a Rose Bowl.
Facts vs. opinions
lazy thinking and a convenient way to balm over the fact that they got screwed because the BCS felt they needed to make it up to you guys for the samt thing that happened to you the year before.
Facts:
1. Texas’ only loss that year was to an undefeated OU team that played in the MNC game. Cal’s only loss was to an undefeated USC team that played in the MNC game.
2. Texas had won 6 games in a row, Cal had won 7 in a row.
3. OOC schedules were comparable (best team Arkansas vs. Miss State). Texas beat 4 ranked opponents that year.
4. Texas won its last game by 13 to a ranked opponent in a rivalry game. Cal won its last game by 10 to an unranked opponent, in a game in which it was favored by 24.
5. After the results of these games, Cal moved up in the human polls, Texas moved down in the human polls.
6. After the results of these games, the computers moved Texas up and Cal down. Computers are unbiased. They do not have the ability to “make things up to you”, or perceive that “you got screwed the year before”.
At the end of the day, you simply didn’t play well enough in your last game to swing enough of the human polls your way (despite the fact that some voters clearly voted Texas down because of the Mack Brown backlash) in order to overcome the unbiased computers. Had Brown not said anything, the margin would likely have been wider.
But if you want to just keep the “It’s Texas Fault” meme, that’s ok. We are used to it.
I thought that the students at UT were able to both read and comprehend posts.
Where did I bring up the “It’s Texas’ fault” meme you seem so intent on disproving? My point was your silly argument that the Holiday Bowl loss was proof that Cal didn’t deserve the Rose Bowl is about as lazy and ridiculous an argument as there can be. You’re using a conclusion to build a hypothesis.
As an example I used your own beloved longhorns from the prior year and their horrid showing in the Holiday Bowl. Does the fact that a disappointed Texas team didn’t play their hardest in a second-level bowl game they didn’t deserve prove they shouldn’t have been in the better game? Of course not. But you folks continue to bang on that really tired and lame drum when it comes to Cal in 2004. It’s just sloppy, simplistic, and wrong reasoning.
As far as why 2004 turned out the way it did, well, that is almost irrelevant. Any time a coach begins politicking for a bowl game it’s not only awkward, but unseemly. The fact that yours was so blatantly shameless about it was embarrassing. Regardless of whether that was the ultimate cause of Cal getting the shaft.
Being an Old Blue means embracing the "meh".
My post provided legitimate reasons for Texas getting in over Cal
I didn’t reference Tech in it one time. In fact no where above did I say that losing to Tech was proof that Cal didn’t deserve the Rose Bowl.
I was replying to:
the BCS felt they needed to make it up to you guys for the same thing that happened to you the year before.
Which is 100% false.
I would think a student from Cal would be able to both read and understand this.
Regarding the UT Holiday Bowl 2003, it’s really not a good comparison. Yes, UT felt is got screwed by the system. However I don’t remember any excuses that Texas didn’t want to be there and didn’t play hard as to why we lost. We actually started that game very well, with a lot of intensity, and with some glimpses of what VY would eventually become. However, our idiot OC decided to stop doing what was working (a theme during his career). That was the take away from that loss, not us whining that we didn’t want to be there. A better comparison would be Kansas State falling from the MNC game to the Alamo Bowl and then losing that game. In both cases the teams had the chance to play with a chip on their shoulder and show that they belonged. Both teams went out and laid an egg.
As far as whether Mack Brown’s actions were unseemly, I am very familiar with him as the UT coach and what kind of person he is, and will favor my own opinion of him over that of a jilted Juco-QB.
You mean
the JuCo QB who just led the Packers to a Super Bowl victory and is setting all kinds of records this year with an undefeated team?
The only reason Rodgers went the juco route was because he was 5’11 out of HS, then grew 3-4" in two years at Butte JC.
Totally off-topic but too funny not to post...
Beergut over at his little site:
“SEC!! SEC!! SEC!!! Announcement confirms SEC will make it BCS national champions six years in a row.”
Further down, in response to somebody saying that two SEC teams in the NC = more money for aggie: “Being able to brag about going to a conference who will have six in a row is enough.”
Beergut and aggie nation: Kings of the moral victory!
To err is human...but humans have such low standards.
by adt2 on Dec 5, 2011 10:10 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Football dominance by conference is very cyclical.
It won’t last forever in the SEC, and aggy will probably help more in the downfall of the conference than be able to revel in its glory.
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
true
the SEC can’t stay on the top forever. Like most sports, success cyclical. Sometime in the future, the SEC will be looked at like the ACC, PAC 12, and what’s left of the Big East now. Like Texas going 10 straight years of 10 wins or more then having to off years. THE SEC will eventually fall back down to the bottom of College Football for several years. When the pendulum swings, it swings both ways. It is better to be not let yourself get swung all the way to the top in success because eventually you will swing back the other way. It’s only a matter of time. One day the SEC will be considered the 3rd best or worse conference in college football. Texas A&M and Missouri will aid in that back swing.
Yeah, but think of all that pride that money can't even come close to buying
It’s kind of like the immense pride that we all felt when OU won the BCS MNC game in the early ’90’s. Or Nebraka in 1995 and 1997.
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