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Big 12 Report: Week 14

The Big 12 season finished with one team making a demonstrative case for their inclusion in the BCS title game (Oklahoma State) and one player making a case for himself as the Heisman Trophy winner (Robert Griffin). The former, unfortunately, was not successful due to the collective stupidity of the voters and the irrationality of the system we use. They were not the only team shafted; Kansas State got to watch a Virginia Tech team that got crushed in its conference title game get picked ahead of them. Every game matters, of course... unless it's inconvenient for them to matter. Of course, Texas fans already know this do to the controversy surrounding the 2008 season. It's a system that gave Alabama the luxury of resting the final week while LSU had to play a game while still possessing a strong chance of making it to the title game. In other words, ‘Bama effectively got a bye week for losing to LSU. It is mindboggling how senseless this stuff can be.

Anyway, at least Robert Griffin seemed to have been more successful (unfortunately, against Texas) in his quest for the Heisman. I have been extremely skeptical that the knuckleheads who vote for the Heisman could pull themselves away from the hype and prestige of Andrew Luck and Trent Richardson and actually, gasp, watch all of these guys play and analyze them, but it seems like Griffin has gotten more attention and stands a good chance of winning it as he deserves. Props to the young man. He's lucky he doesn't have to go up against a Hollywood-beloved runningback playing at a glamour school, or else it doesn't matter what he did during the season...

It actually wasn't a bad week of football, but when the clear Big 12 winner gets shafted right after pummeling a Top 10 squad and another strong Big 12 team gets hosed from a BCS bid, it kind of puts a damper into so-called "Championship Week." Uh huh. We'll start with the de facto conference championship game anyway:

#3 Oklahoma State (should be #2 if we lived in a sane world)

LAST WEEK: I thought the only way Oklahoma State would have a chance to leap over Alabama in the minds of voters was to pound Oklahoma. My personal feeling was that even if they beat OU by three, they should get the national title bid because their strength of schedule was so much higher than Alabama's and I didn't want to see a rematch, but I knew that it was unlikely that voters would change their minds, and I also knew that it was unlikely that they would in fact destroy Oklahoma. Of course, all they did was blast the Sooners 44-10. It was 44-3 at the end of the third quarter, and it was a game that could have been worse than it was. I'm not a big fan of running up the score, but let's just say that I think Stoops would deserve it if Gundy decided to do so.

The Pokes didn't do this primarily through the air either; they gashed Oklahoma 278 rushing yards and an impressive 8.4 yards per carry. Their opportunistic defense went back to being, well, opportunistic, picking off Landry Jones twice and forcing a total of five turnovers. They more than made their case for the BCS title game. Unfortunately, our system is jacked up.

BOWL: The Pokes travel to Arizona to play Stanford in the Fiesta Bowl. This is one of the better matchups in the Bowl season, as I am curious to see how Andrew Luck plays against that opportunistic OSU secondary. However, I think OSU has the superior team and I think they should win this one comfortably unless their offense suffers from bowl-layoff rust.

SEASON REVIEW: I think everyone already knows all the reasons why the Pokes got screwed. I'll just reiterate a few more: Their strength of schedule is far stronger and they've defeated more than three times the amount of ranked teams that Alabama has. Furthermore, those that shoot back with the argument that Alabama has the largest margin of victory in the country have an extremely poor argument; of course you're going to have a better margin of victory if you play worse teams than OSU. Besides, Oklahoma State had several opportunities this season to run up the score or otherwise prevent garbage time scores, but they didn't. It's pretty pathetic that we're looking at system that is telling Gundy that he should have aimed for 60 in Bedlam and 100 against Texas Tech and Kansas to impress voters. As we know from 2008, voters can't help themselves but drool over massive scores, no matter the context of the game.

Make no mistake: If Oklahoma State were Texas or Oklahoma, they're in the title game. Their brand name lost to Alabama's brand name. The choice of voters by the BCS is astoundingly stupid. And I say all this as someone who does not really care about conference solidarity, as those odd SEC fans do. I'm not saying this because OSU shares the same conference with Texas; their body of work is simply better than Alabama's. - TheElusiveShadow

Star-divide

#14 Oklahoma

LAST WEEK: Bedlam? More like derp. This looks like morse code for beatdown: Punt, punt, INT, punt, punt, FUMBLE, punt, FG, <BREAK>, FUMBLE, FUMBLE, punt, punt, punt, INT, TD. That pretty much sums up what happened in Stillwater against interstate rival Oklahoma State Cowboys coming up on the negative end of the stick 44-10. A late touchdown against OSU scrubs by backup quarterback Blake "Belldozer" Bell saved OU from basically getting skunked. Landry Jones continued his poor play down the season ending stretch throwing two interceptions and no touchdowns. And the Sooner defense played on their heels the entire game. Oklahoma ran into a buzz saw in the Cowboys to be sure.

BOWL: The Sooners will be traveling to Phoenix to face Coach Stoops' alma mater, Iowa, in the Insight Bowl.

SEASON REVIEW: They are the undercard in the bout against Hawkeyes. For a team that was the preseason darling and topped most early season polls, this finish is one of the most disappointing in the Bob Stoops era. I mean Texas Tech? Really? - TXStampede

#12 Baylor

LAST WEEK: While some would say that Robert Griffin III proved he deserved the Heisman in defeating Texas, surprisingly it was the Bear defense that made the big plays necessary to hold off a Longhorn offense that belied its reputation. The Bears came into the game with a poor defensive reputation but came away with 4 interceptions and 2 fumbles on their way to a 48-24 win in Waco jumping 5 spots in the BCS standings. Baylor rushing phenom Terrance Ganaway gashed Texas for a 6.6 yard average and 153 for the game. RGIII finished with an efficient 15-22 for 320 yards and 4 touchdowns, 2 passing and 2 rushing) underscoring a phenomenal season.

BOWL: Baylor will travel south on I-35 to San Antonio and face the Washington Huskies in the Alamo Bowl.

SEASON REVIEW: Baylor finished 9-3 on the regular season and #12 in the BCS as the highest ranked 3 loss team. They upset OU, a team they never beat before in school history, scored the most points ever in school history with 66 against Texas Tech, and had the most regular season wins since 1986. This is generational + stuff and quite the accomplishment. Most will give all the credit to RGIII, and arguably deservingly so. But as we also know, it takes an entire coaching staff and players to successfully win at this level and Coach Briles is proving he is worthy of top billing. It remains to be seen whether Griffin returns for his senior year. My guess is he narrowly wins the Heisman and is a top 5 NFL draft choice. Sic ‘em. - TXStampede

Iowa State

LAST WEEK: The Cyclones brought a lot of fight, and maybe a few farm implements, to the annual Farmageddon game against Kansas State but came up just short losing in a hard fought contest 23-30. ISU was driving for the tying score with a little over a minute left when RS freshman QB Barnett fumbled on a 4th and 2.

BOWL: Iowa State looks forward to playing in their first bowl game since 2004 taking on Rutgers in Yankee Stadium at the Pinstripe Bowl.

SEASON REVIEW: Paul Rhoads is gradually building a solid foundation in Ames. This is the 3rd season he has upset a ranked program in the overtime win over Oklahoma State which as it turns out kept the Cowboys from playing for the national championship. - TXStampede

Kansas

LAST WEEK: Finished already.

BOWL: Um... no.

SEASON REVIEW: Well, you can't really say the Jayhawks underperformed based on their preseason expectations. Everyone thought they'd be terrible... and they were terrible. Turner Gill is gone and they are left wondering how they can rebuild this program that has fallen into bottom cellar of all of college football. - TheElusiveShadow

#8 Kansas State

LAST WEEK: K-State absorbed another one of Iowa State's upset bids and edged them 30-23 at home. Both teams have similar, scrappy styles of play and the game was pretty much even for the entire contest. The Wildcats, as they have done many times this year, held up on with a big defensive stand at the end of the game to preserve the victory, stopping the Cyclones on 4th and 2 on the K-State 31.

BOWL: Kansas State will face Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl in what looks like a pretty interesting matchup. The funny thing is that one could argue that the Razorbacks seem more like the stereotypical Big 12 team with their passing offense will Kansas State looks outwardly more like an SEC squad due to their emphasis on the run game and discipline defense. Superficial stereotypes aside, I think the Wildcats prove that they are better than people think and take this one against Arkansas.

SEASON REVIEW: This was nothing less than an excellent season for Kansas State, with their only realy disappointment being the game against Oklahoma where they got pummeled. I stated in past reports that it was unlikely Kansas State would get a BCS bid, but let me be clear: That's not because I do not think they deserve it. It's a travesty that teams like Virginia Tech and Michigan are getting BCS games while Kansas State and Boise State have to go someplace else. I just cynically knew how the BCS works and doubted that a BCS bowl would take K-State when other "brand-name" schools were available. I was right, but I wish I wasn't. Still, the Wildcats should be proud of a great season. - TheElusiveShadow

Missouri

LAST WEEK: Done already.

BOWL: Missouri will face North Carolina in the Independence Bowl on Dec. 26th. Frankly, I'm not terribly excited about this game.

SEASON REVIEW: The Tigers ironically had a better year than the Aggies in their Big 12 farewell tour. However, while I have never really had a problem with Missouri and I think Rock M Nation is an excellent blog, I'm going to say this: Screw your horrible turf and screw your crybaby coach and his laughable voting. Pokes fans and knees say "Amen." - TheElusiveShadow

#24 Texas

LAST WEEK: Ouch. The Texas defense started off slowly against RGIII and the Bears and allowed them to jump to a two score lead early on. The offense moved the ball well and got the Horns the lead while the defense began to settle down, but with roughly less than five minutes left in the first half, the Longhorn offense imploded. The defense could not rescue the game this time because Griffin was just too good, and the Horns were buried, 48-24. Our offense finished with some nice total yardage, but six turnovers and a measly 24 points against a bad, bad Baylor defense is pretty pitiful. Case McCoy's luck ran out; he threw four interceptions, two of which were nearly returned for touchdowns.

It was not a pretty game from both sides of the ball, and the game, unfortunately, did nothing to answer questions about our quarterback position. It made it all the more painful watching Robert Griffin on the other side and wondering how he far he could take a team with a defense as good as ours.

BOWL: Texas will face Cal in the Holiday Bowl on Dec. 28th. Some Cal fans are still bitter about 2004 and it could be a pretty interesting game.

SEASON REVIEW: Most fans and the staff were aiming for eight wins, and we fell just short, mostly due to injuries. More will be said on BON in the coming days, but given the injuries, I think this team largely met expectations. I think the defense exceeded some expectations and I think the offense was trending upward as we wanted until a slew of injuries devastated them, particularly the loss of Fozzy Whittaker.

Still, the most disappointing aspect of the season is the lack of answers at the quarterback position. The quarterback play was often so poor this year that it made many fans wonder if we gave up too quickly on Garrett Gilbert, and we arguably go into the offseason with more questions at the position than last year. Case McCoy and/or David Ash will need to improve substantially over the offseason to give us even serviceable QB play. For a fanbase that had been spoiled with the likes of Major, Simms (yes, him too), Vince Young, and Colt McCoy, it's a tough pill to swallow that the main thing that can keep us from title contention is our quarterbacks and that there is no clear answer for the near future. - TheElusiveShadow

Texas A&M

LAST WEEK: Already finished, with ample time to dream about Justin Tucker's kick.

BOWL: The Aggies qualified and will face Northwestern in the Meineke Car Care Bowl. Yeah, that'll be fascinating.

SEASON REVIEW: Compared to their preseason expectations, there really isn't any other way to describe their season as other than a disaster. They were aiming for Big 12 and even national title contention; they finished 6-6, culminating in a home collapse against the Longhorns. Few teams were as inconsistent as the Aggies; you're talking about a team that blew five first half leads and looked terrible doing so. Last but not least, they decided to fire Mike Sherman, a questionable decision done in a most unprofessional manner, calling him on a recruiting visit to deliver the news. Thus, not only are they going to have to navigate their new destination in the SEC, they have to find a new coach to help them adjust. Add to the fact that they will lose some key players, and it's looking dicey for the Aggies in the near future. - TheElusiveShadow

Texas Tech

LAST WEEK: Did not play.

BOWL: For the first time in their Big 12 history, the Red Raiders will not be going to a bowl game.

SEASON REVIEW: It was quite the roller coaster ride for Texas Tech. I thought they were a year or two away from being really dangerous again, but then they had a decent start that culminated in a shocking win over Oklahoma in Norman. They rose quickly in the rankings and I thought maybe they were ahead of schedule. After that, however, the Red Raiders simply fell apart, getting annihilated in consecutive weeks by Iowa State, Texas, and Oklahoma State by a combined score of 159-33. Yikes. And all of those games could have been worse. I think Tech fans need to be patient and give Tubs more time, but they are most unhappy in Lubbock right now and it's hard to blame them after that horrid finish. - TheElusiveShadow

Players of the Week (courtesy of big12sports.com)

Big 12 Offensive Player of the Week
Robert Griffin III, Baylor, QB, Jr, Copperas Cove, Texas
Robert Griffin III accounted for four touchdowns to lead No. 17 Baylor to a 48-24 win over No. 22 Texas. He went 15-of-22 through the air for 320 yards and two TDs against the nation's No. 9 defense. The junior also ran the ball 12 times for 32 yards and two scores. RG3 became the third player in FBS history to compile 10,000 career passing yards and 2,000 career rushing yards (Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan; Colin Kaepernick, Nevada). He is the nation's leader in passing efficiency (192.31) and points responsibility (22.67), ranks second in total offense (386.83), fourth in passing TDs (36), fifth in completion percentage (72.36) and sixth in passing yards (3,998).

Big 12 Defensive Player of the Week
Sam Holl, Baylor, S, So, Katy, Texas
Sam Holl made a game-high 16 tackles and collected two interceptions for the Baylor defense that forced six turnovers in its 48-24 win over No. 22 Texas. With the Bears leading 31-24, the sophomore safety intercepted a pass at the Baylor 27-yard line and returned it 62 yards to Texas' 11-yard line to setup a Baylor touchdown two plays later. He picked off his second pass in the end zone in the fourth quarter. Eleven of Holl's 16 tackles came in the second half when BU held the Longhorns to three points. He became the first Baylor player with multiple interceptions in a game since Joe Pawelek had two against Texas A&M on Nov. 15, 2008. Holl has accumulated the most tackles in a game in three of BU's last four contests. He moved up to third in the Big 12 and leads non-linebackers with 8.5 tackles an outing.

Final Rankings

1. Oklahoma State

2. Kansas State

3. Baylor

4. Oklahoma

5. Missouri

6. Texas

7. Texas A&M

8. Iowa State

9. Texas Tech

10. Kansas

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KSU

I’d be pissed if I were them too. Instead of playing a Michigan team you’re capable of beating, you’ll probably get crushed in the Cotton Bowl

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Dec 6, 2011 5:26 PM CST reply actions  

A tough matchup for KSU

but I don’t think we will get crushed. Passing offenses (Arkies strenght) can be adversely affected by a long layoff. And Arkie is not that strong against the run, KSU’s strong suit.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Dec 6, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

worst part

KSU actually got a better opponent. No BCS bowl and they will be a dog in the game

by codaxx on Dec 6, 2011 7:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Underdogs - right where we want to be!

Some amazing facts about KSU’s season:
- we were underdogs in 8 of 11 games (no line on first game). Final record -10-2.
- 9 of our 12 games were decided by a touchdown or less (we one 8 by seven points or less, and lost to OkieLite by 7).
- A bettor who took KSU in 11 games where there was a line would have covered in all games except the Sooner and Ia.State games. (Past performance no guarantee of future results).

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Dec 6, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

?EShadow

Listening to ESPN radio this afternoon the heads debated the mess that is the BCS. In their discussion they talked about a playoff vs. +1. Can you briefly explain this +1 idea? I remember this from past BCS screwups, just can’t remember how it was supposed to work. Thanks…..Hook ’Em

by Burnedsince61 on Dec 6, 2011 6:01 PM CST reply actions  

the +1, as I understand it would

be for this year, for instance matchup this way:

  1. LSU vs. #4 Stanford in Sugar (for instance)
  2. Okie Lite vs. #2 Bama (in Fiesta).
    Winner of each game plays one week later for the National Title. It is a four team playoff, using current BCS rules for determining the first four seeds.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Dec 6, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It makes perfect sense, except

There are still two teams in the top four who didn’t win heir conference

For that matter, Only four of the top 10 (#1, 3, 5, 10) final BCS are conference champs. Football is inching toward basketball status where teams don’t have to win their regular season or conference title game to win the nat’l title.

If they were to have a plus-1 system, I think it should be set up differently. If we use current BCS bowls to determine the two semifinals and a plus-1, then the four semifinalists would wait a month to play the semifinal game and then only one week to turn around for a national championship game.

Maybe reverse that, and have the four teams play the second week in December, and the title game Jan. 9

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Dec 7, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice comments about all the schools

and I agree that injuries cost UT at least one more win. No way KSU beats Longhorn if Fozzy had been healthy.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Dec 6, 2011 7:36 PM CST reply actions  

I'll go you one better

Actually, 2. If Fozzie had not been injured at Mizzou, we would have 3 more wins. Mizzou, K-State, and Baylor. He made that much of a difference, as far as i’m concerned.

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by Longhorn in Canada on Dec 6, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

that's all well and good...

but frankly, we should beat KSU at some point before we talk about how we could have if only…

until then, they own us fair and square.

by Pflash on Dec 6, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I concede the injury on Fozzy in the KSU game because of 1 play -

where your big fullback (name excapes me now) broke on the 50+ yard run in the 4th quarter. Our safety was able to catch up and bring him down at about the 11, whereupon you got 3 points rather than 7. Fozzy scores on the play, easy. And with him, your young QBs wouldn’t have felt so much pressure throughout the game. Unless Snyder would have schemed differently with Fozzy there, you’d have won the game.

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Dec 6, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Chris Johnson ... CoJo was the fullback. I'm gonna miss him next year.

He’s more suited for 4th & 1 than a 60-yard jaunt through the strawberry fields. Yeah, Fozzy would have made a huge difference but it’s a reach to call it a win, if he’s in there. KSU played a great game. Texas was one slow fullback run, one “almost” punt return for TD, and one bad route / bad pass to the corner of the end zone … from tying it up. And, tying it up, does not a win make.

by robthecob on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

go ahead - it's therapeutic - just don't let it work up to an Aggie hate

by the way – in recent word on aTm’s coaching search?

Have they screwed the pooch (Collie) or what? Who would want the job with those nutballs in charge around there?

I mean, $2.5 mill will buy somebody, but they will live to regret it.

I saw some Aggie posting today saying they think they are going to get Boise’s Peterson. If that happens, I’ll eat my socks.

I just can’t bring myself to check Aggie blogs. Too frickin depressing. It’s like reading a yahoo comment section. Are they really the second leading public institution in your state?

Is Baylor considered a good academic school?

oh hail the Purple and White

by Furnace76 on Dec 6, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

as for coaching who knows

no coach is gonna wanna go coach there because its a blackhole for coaching careers

In The Morning To You

by horns1025 on Dec 6, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

As long as Texas is riding high.

When they were not, Jackie Sherrill and RC Slocum took full advantage and built a winner.

by robthecob on Dec 6, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Sherrill, I loathe.

The cheating is why I said “took full advantage” instead of “built” a winner. He is a snake. RC, on the other hand, was a straight arrow. What am I missing that would make him a cheater? I don’t remember.

by robthecob on Dec 7, 2011 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

i dont believe any coach was totally clean in the SWC especially towards the end of it

everybody cheated back in the day. some just hid it better than others….and some sent payments in official university envelopes with the school seal on the front…..looking at you SMU

In The Morning To You

by horns1025 on Dec 7, 2011 3:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

Geez, SMU was a mess, wasn’t it?! What a bunch of knucklehead administrators. However, I think you’re touting a theory that “everybody cheated”, not necessarily a confirmed fact. And I do agree about the aggies, too, during that bad SWC time. But RC’s tenure really was just after all that and he was very well respected in the early half of the existence of the Big 12*. After Sherrill destroyed their credibiltiy, RC was a main cog in cleaning up the mess.

by robthecob on Dec 7, 2011 3:37 AM CST up reply actions  

lol ok ok so maybe RC was clean

still saying he wasnt makes beergut mad. as for SMU they took cheating to a whole new level NOBODY has ever cheated on that scale before or since not even Miami (done by a lone booster never saw anything that said school officials knew could be wrong, SMU was cheating and everybody in the school leadership knew)

In The Morning To You

by horns1025 on Dec 7, 2011 3:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Messin' w/ beergUT is always entertaining...

I think he’s hurtin’ plenty right now, even w/out our help. All the aggies I know are still in shock & disbelief at the ending of the Turkey Day game.

SMU was, like, crazy insane no-grasp-of-reality levels of cheating back then. I don’t know if you saw Dale Hansen’s interview of that SMU official. I saw it on TV, when I was a kid, but they also had it on that ESPN 30 on 30 program. Dude was caught lying, on camera, like an absolute fool. I thought it really interesting that Dickerson said that the aggies had offered him a huge sum to came play there. Could you imagine if aggy got the death penalty or something close?! Woulda been the next-best scenario only behind 0U finally getting caught and appropriately disciplined for all their lack-of-institutional-contol and switzer dirty cheating.

by robthecob on Dec 7, 2011 3:53 AM CST up reply actions  

i actually bought the SMU 30 for 30 off itunes worth the 4 bucks it cost

just the things they were getting away with were insane. but in the end they pissed off a player they bought (wonder whos bright idea that was….) and he exposed them not much you can do when your checks are sent in school envelopes

In The Morning To You

by horns1025 on Dec 7, 2011 4:04 AM CST up reply actions  

No way DKR cheated!

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 7, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Slocum was clean

You’re showing your age with your lack of knowledge.

by Beergut on Dec 7, 2011 2:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Was A&M ever on probation or received sanctions during RC's tenure?

Anything at all? I seem to remember something minor, in the back of my head, but nothing of any significant note. I understood why they dismissed RC, in the end, but it was a classic case of “be careful what you wish for”. He was a very solid coach, always on the cusp of a title, and replacing him was a risk with pretty much anybody who they coulda picked.

by robthecob on Dec 7, 2011 3:29 AM CST up reply actions  

lol if you wanna piss of my friend who went to A&M back in 89 ask him one simple question

“so why did A&M fire RC Slocum?” according to him it was the biggest mistake they ever made

In The Morning To You

by horns1025 on Dec 7, 2011 3:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd have to agree with your friend.

It was not the ridiculous decision then like it seems to look like in hindsight now but they certainly took a step back in toughness and consistency when RC got canned.

by robthecob on Dec 7, 2011 3:40 AM CST up reply actions  

i never fully understood why A&M canned him.

but yea they took more than several steps backwards when he left. i get funny answers from aggie friends when i ask them about that time period. like i asked the same friend what happened to the “Wrecking Crew” his response “Fran killed them….”

In The Morning To You

by horns1025 on Dec 7, 2011 3:42 AM CST up reply actions  

They canned him because they wanted to take the ...

… next step to greatness and RC just hadn’t been gettin’ ’em there. They probably shoulda been patient, though, ala Nebraska w/ Osborne, and gave him a few more years. He deserved more. Guy was a great representative for the university & the students & fans loved him.

by robthecob on Dec 7, 2011 3:56 AM CST up reply actions  

R.C. Slocum was a gentleman and a damned fine coach

He was the coach that belonged at UT. Unfortunately for him, he took the tAMU job on good faith, not realizing tAMU had a long and sordid history of screwing their head coaches. He was simply too good for AtM.
Now, Jackie Sherril and Gene Stallings – they were perfect for collieland.

In fact, since aggy is headed for the SEC, they call Sherrill and ask him if he would be interested in taking his old job back. He would love the SEC recruiting practices.

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 7, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL - you think my remarks were a little ascorbic?

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 7, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha Ha! No, I didn't mean to castrate YOU.

This from Wiki…

Sherrill also achieved notoriety by castrating a bull during a team practice as a motivational technique prior to a game versus Texas. Unranked Mississippi State subsequently beat the #13 ranked Longhorns.”
Sherrill was probably the most hated (by UT) aggy coach ever – & he reveled in it.

by robthecob on Dec 7, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank God - I was more than a little apprehensive

Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!

by Snide Aside on Dec 7, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

It's sad

that OSU got hosed. What’s even worse is that if Gundy had done a “Stoops” and run up the score against the land thieves, they might have got in.

The moral to the story, always be classy, except when playing OU. But, if playing OU, run up the score until your offense just can’t walk, much less run.

Mack, are you listening?

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by Longhorn in Canada on Dec 6, 2011 7:49 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think OSU got hosed. They don't deserve to be #2.

I will start by saying that I was not rooting for the LSU-Bama rematch. Not only was that an awful game to watch — one where people touted great defenses instead of pointing out obvious offensive shortcomings and horrific special teams play — but I think it’s absurd that a team that didn’t even win it’s own division can play for the title. We, unfortunately, live in a college football world where the SEC is the current darling and (hard to argue) the best conference this year.

That said, OSU did not get hosed. They had a fairly easy road to this game, but for one team. One team stood in their way. One team could take them down. No, not OU. Not us. Not A&M. IOWA STATE. I’m sorry, but no team that has a loss that is that glaring deserves to play for the title. It makes me wonder if they even had a chance against LSU. I fear that their title game would look more like the LSU Georgia game than anything respectable. It would reflect poorly on our conference to get blown out, so I’m happy that we don’t have to watch that.

I’m sure people will vehemently disagree with me, but I stand by this one. While I disagree with Bama being there for other reasons (ps. they are better than OSU) and don’t want to watch that game, OSU is responsible for their undoing with a loss to a team that a champion has no business losing to. Sorry Pokes.

by hoogs on Dec 7, 2011 1:39 AM CST reply actions  

I agree with you

And I said the same thing to someone. Arkansas may still be the third-best team (only losses to Bama and LSU).

As for awful low-scoring games to watch, I seem to remember a 1-touchdown game in the 2009 Big 12 championship game. NU kicked two field goals to take a 6-0 lead. Texas needed nine plays to drive 42 yards for a 2-yard TD … 7-6 UT … FG Texas, FG NU, FG NU, then a FG UT after the refs put a second back on the clock. Final — Texas 13, NU 12 … was that great defense or putrid offense?

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by FreedomDip on Dec 7, 2011 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

It was the most stifling defensive effort of the Mack Brown era ...

… against one of the most putrid Big 12 offenses of that season. A little bit of both.

Many of us know that we can appreciate at 9-6 slugfest as much as the next guy … we just don’t want to see it again. The main point, however, that nobody can gloss over is the fact that ’Bama ALREADY HAD THEIR CHANCE -and LOST. Gave over. Move along. Next!

by robthecob on Dec 7, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Plus 1

and Bama lost at home

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Dec 7, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

But for the plane crash that same day, OSU beats ISU

OSU has been classy in not pointing to that as an explanation for dropping the game to ISU, but I don’t have any skin in the game so I’ll come out and say it. Of course there is no way to know for certain, but that had to have weighed mightily on many of those players. If Bama had lost to LSU in double overtime after a similar tragedy, then every pinhead commentator would be talking about it. BON has it right – OSU got hosed for no other reason than that they are OSU.

Any athletics program that sees a television station as an existential threat will never be relevant.

by TCU'90 on Dec 7, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Horrible tragedy

Wouldn’t wish that on ANYONE … That aside, Okie State DID have a 17-point lead in that game

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by FreedomDip on Dec 7, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

The field goal call in regulation has gotten even less mention than the plane crash.

To his credit, Gundy hasn’t mentioned either one (plane crash or field goal call). I’m not an OSU homer so I feel that I can point this out objectively. That feld goal should have won the game for OSU and, at the very least, should have been reviewed by the officials. It was just inside the upright and the players on the field knew it.

by robthecob on Dec 7, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

You know, I had forgotten about the FG

You are right. That was a horrible call.

Any athletics program that sees a television station as an existential threat will never be relevant.

by TCU'90 on Dec 7, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Gundy hasn't complained because ... wait ...

HE’S A MAN!!!

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by FreedomDip on Dec 7, 2011 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Teaching the BCS Computers to Recognize the Learning Curve

Most of the non-conference games are all played at the first of the season, prior to the teams gaining the experience of the season and suffering the effects of injury. BCS should delay the selection of the two teams for the NCG until after all the bowls have been played. In other words, go back to the previous bowl selection and add another round of polling after all the Bowl games have fininished. The BCS computers and the pollsters will have a little more updated information regarding conference strengths upon which to select the contenders for the National Title.

by Texasnephew on Dec 8, 2011 4:30 AM CST reply actions  

A good idea but those monkeys can't get it right as it is.

What makes you think they’re gonna do any better with more info. that is updated & accurate. Do you think that they’re actually using their brains about all of this?! (rhetorical … and sarcastic)

by robthecob on Dec 8, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

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