Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: UFC 146 Results: Junior dos Santos TKO's Frank Mir

Texas vs Baylor: Longhorns Seek Revenge Over Bears

Texas vs Baylor tips at 3:00 p.m. CT at the Frank Erwin Center in Austin, TX. The game will be televised nationally on ESPN.

The University of Texas men's basketball team (21-3, 9-0) returns to action on Saturday afternoon to host the Baylor Bears (16-7, 6-4), who after losing 23 straight games to Rick Barnes and Texas, have won the last four meetings dating back to the 2009 Big XII Tournament. The Bears swept the Longhorns last season, including a pair of double-digit wins in Waco and Kansas City.

Baylor Bears 2010-11 Season To Date

Baylor went 10-3 during their non-conference season, but played just three KenPom Top 60 teams. They lost all three, falling 65-68 to No. 58 Gonzaga in Dallas, and losing in Honolulu by 6 and 7 to No. 40 Washington State and No. 43 Florida State, respectively. All 10 of their non-con wins came against teams outside the Top 100, and only one -- a home win over No. 118 Arizona State -- was over a team ranked in the Top 150.

In conference play, the Bears won their first two -- at Tech and vs OU -- before losing by 15 at Iowa State and 20 versus Kansas in Waco. Since then they've gone 3-0 in Waco (OSU, Colorado, Nebraska) and 1-2 on the road (win at A&M, losses to K-State and Oklahoma).

All told, it's been a pretty pathetic season for Baylor. Out of 345 Division 1 basketball teams, only 12 played a softer non-con schedule than Baylor, and against the three teams they faced who are worth a lick, they went 0-3. In conference, they have exactly one quality win (at A&M), two bad losses (at Iowa State and at OU), and several lackluster home wins. The only thing impressive about Baylor this year is the talent on the roster. The actual performance has been mediocre, at best.

Baylor Bears Personnel

The Bears don't have a very good basketball team. The Bears do not have a coach. What they do have is a lot of height and length, and a lot of raw talent.

Star-divide

Leading the backcourt is the name you know, LaceDarius Dunn, the 6-4 senior who averages about 30 minutes per game, and takes almost 32% of the Bears shots when he's out there, virtually identical, usage-wise, to Jordan Hamilton (77% of minutes, 32% of shots). In fact, at least in terms of production, the similarities between Dunn and Hamilton this season are downright eerie:

Player Off. Rtg %Poss %Shots eFG% TS% ARate TORate FTM-FTA  FT% 2PM-2PA  Pct 3PM-3PA  Pct
LaceDarius Dunn 111.7 27.9 31.7 55.8 60.5 15.5 20.7 84-102 (82.4%) 45-104 (43.3%) 72-170 (42.4%)
Jordan Hamilton 116.2 27.1 32.0 56.0 58.5 16.9 14.9 62-82 (75.6%) 95-189 (50.3%) 61-144 (42.4%)

In other words, if youv'e been impressed with Jordan Hamilton this year, Baylor's got one of those. Pretty much exactly. Similar though their statistical profiles are, their games are a good bit different, as are the ways that they get used within the offense. Whereas Texas is running a systematic offense -- most often through Jordan Hamilton -- Baylor basically just runs a lot of one-on-one, dribble-drive offense, most often through Dunn.

(Wow. I just typed that.)

Dunn has good handles, a good (but streaky) shot, and a strong body with ability to finish at the rim. Dunn looks for his jump shot first, but he's not shy about going hard to the bucket and is at his best when he's earning 12+ trips to the free throw stripe.

With Tweety Carter gone, Dunn's backcourt partner this year is 6-1 sophomore AJ Walton, an athletic guard who can stroke it from beyond the arch but ist still learning how to be an effective all-around guard. He's got the quickness and athletic ability to go to the rim, but he often plays passively, disappearing for long stretches while deferring to Dunn. There's a lot of standing around and watching in the Baylor offense, to the detriment of a guy like Walton, who has more ability than the offense at this point allows him to show. If Texas successfully locks down Dunn as they have so many other stars this year, Walton will need to assert himself offensively for Baylor to avoid getting bogged down.

Baylor's real strength is their formidable frontcourt, which, while underachieving like everyone else, is loaded with talent and length. Lots and lots of length. Longhorns fans will get their first taste of freshman Perry Jones, a lanky 6-10 power forward who reminds me a whole lot of Lamarcus Aldridge. He's still skinny right now, but he's tall, long, has great hands, and good touch around the rim. At this point in his career he still struggles with double teams, and although Baylor has until recently done a terrible job of getting him the ball in good position, when they work it to him in position and he faces a single defender, he's getting better and better at turning it into a bucket or trip to the line.

Flanking the wiry center are juniors Quincy Acy and Anthony Jones. Jones is mostly just a tall body who does a little rebounding, but he can kill you on the weakside glass if your attention is focused on Perry Jones. The real danger is 6-7 Quincy Acy, who with his formidable wingspan plays a lot bigger than that. He's more athletic than polished, but he's got silly leaping ability and is a terrific finisher at the bucket.

If you're scoring at home, that's a front line that goes 6-10, 6-10, 6-7.  Against Baylor, Texas will be counting on Matt Hill much as they had to against Kansas, and will likely call on Alexis Wangmene for 7-10 quality minutes, as well. And this, really, is why Baylor presents the most formidable challenge left on the schedule for Texas. Not only are they -- by far -- the most athletic team left on the schedule, but they have the size and talent to somewhat dictate what Texas must do. Our best offensive line up may struggle with Baylor's size. Barnes may try to gamble some with a smaller man on Anthony Jones, but if Texas is getting killed on the boards there will be little choice but to sacrifice some offense to go big.

Keys to the Game

1.  Stretch the zone.  Baylor stymied Texas three straight games last season in large part because the Longhorns had no answer for the Bears' zone defense. Now, the Bears don't even play a great zone -- we're not talking about Syracuse here -- but they'll challenge Texas to execute their zone offense effectively on Saturday. The good news? During the first third of the season teams tried to play last year's book against this year's Texas team and got scorched. Frankly, I don't think you can zone this Longhorns team, but Baylor will try, and the most worrisome sign we could see on Saturday is if Texas struggles to stretch the zone because they can't hit outside shots. I don't worry about our ability to run good zone offense -- we've shown we know how to, and we'll have been practicing it for three straight days -- but it'll be a problem if we can't hit any jumpers. Baylor's so long inside that it'll be tough to get inside buckets if they can crowd the lane.

2.  Thirty minutes for Tristan Thompson.  If Baylor is smart, they'll work the ball inside over and over to start the game and try to pick up a couple whistles on Tristan Thompson. The Bears' best chance to win is a game in which Texas is on its heels playing musical chairs with its line up because we can't keep our best big on the floor. If Thompson plays 30+ minutes, we'll be fine. Without him, things get complicated, and we'll be asking more from guys like Wangmene than we would prefer to.

3.  Team rebounding.  The biggest danger posed by Baylor's frontline size advantage is the potential to kill us on the boards, a la UConn. With so many outstanding finishers at the rim, Baylor can fill it up with second chance points, and while we continue to do an amazing job playing help defense, at times that has come at the expense of rebounding, which can't happen Saturday. This is a game where it'll be more important for guards like Joseph and Balbay to hit the defensive boards than get out and run. I don't worry about us struggling to get good looks in the halfcourt, but I do worry about Baylor's ability to get good looks on second chances.

Prediction:  Texas 78  Baylor 70

Comment 30 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

I'd Like To See Joseph Shut Dunn Down

Lace Dunn needs 36 pts. to pass Terry Teagle as Baylor’s all-time scroing leader, and 103 pts. to pass Andre Emmett. He shouldn’t be allowed to add to his number until the Bears next game vs. Wayland Smithers Baptist.

by DudeAbide on Feb 11, 2011 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

Does Rick get to lock down Drew?

This will be a fun afternoon for Coach Barnes who I think now has the tools in the chest to thwart the upstart coach on the Brazos. I think Rick will be into this game more so emotionally than almost any other this season. He wants to protect home court at all costs. He’ll want some get back. He’ll be ready.

- follow me @ http:/twitter.com/TXStampede

by TXStampede on Feb 11, 2011 10:30 AM CST reply actions  

Only problem I see

TT pounding the paint and getting to the FT line. He needs to convert at the FT line or else it might be better to keep matt hill or Wangmene in the game.

by MJY6087 on Feb 11, 2011 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

Great Explanation

PB, thank you for the great explanation of how an average (at best) team is our most threatening opponent the rest of the way in the regular season. A lot of the descriptions of Baylor’s play this year have been “uninspired” but I doubt that will be the case in either of our matchups with them. Texas on the jersey tends to inspire opponents.

The good news regarding your keys to the game is that of late we have been hot from the field to start the game, which should help stretch their zone. My biggest concern is your number 3 key, Team Rebounding. WIth lesser opponents lately (namely OU and Texas Tech) we have allowed them to linger around in the second half by forcing them into a bad shot but then giving up the offensive rebound. And with Baylor’s players those will turn into dunks, not just extra attempts.

by TexasWright on Feb 11, 2011 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks

That’s my big worry, too, along with Thompson staying out on the floor, which are parts of the same issue. If this game is pretty routine, we’re gonna win. But if we hit a few snags, this is a Baylor team that can capitalize on them to give us problems.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Feb 11, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

It wasn't that long ago

that it was hard to imagine such a headline. Those were beautiful, innocent days when Texas basketball fans believed it was essentially a birthright to never lose to Baylor in basketball. #nostalgic

Follow me on Twitter: @GhostofBigRoy
www.burntorangenation.com

by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 11, 2011 11:34 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Texas basketball fans believed it was essentially a birthright to never lose to Baylor in basketball.

Or any other sport, or academic competition, or beer-drinking contest, or dance contest (which we’d win by default), or anything else.

Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski

by windycityhorn on Feb 11, 2011 12:51 PM CST reply actions  

As long as y'all keep Acy from going off

you should be fine. Jones is really only a threat from the 3 point line. He does get some boards when you are not paying attention though. I think you win by 10+ in Austin. Barnes will run it up if given the chance (and everyone else in the conference will applaud him). Hope your fans have something clever planned for when the jaw-breaker has the ball

by miketag on Feb 11, 2011 1:12 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah barnes will run it up

Just like the last game. Where we outscored them by 16 in the FIRST half and tied them in the second. Great analysis.

by MJY6087 on Feb 11, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

He meant

that Coach Barnes would run up the score because he hates Drew, not because he makes a practice of it. There was nothing disparaging about miketag’s post (except the jaw-breaker reference, which is deserved).

Cool your engines there, buddy.

by mnHorn on Feb 12, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks for clearing up

however, i dont think (at least when i was writing), my response was meant to be super dramatic, merely a simple comment. It wasnt suppose to reprsent the huge fire in my body that i needed to unleash.

by MJY6087 on Feb 14, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

ALso

I think its funny when aggies criticize other teams about sportsmanship. The same aggies who are sore losers and blame their losses on officiating. Its always “THE GAME WOULDVE BEEN CLOSE IF THE REF GAVE US CALLS” or “THE REFS SCREWED US”. See: Cotton bowl and recent basketball matchups against UT

by MJY6087 on Feb 11, 2011 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

They also cheer opponent injuries

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Feb 12, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

And

when someone comments about aggiesportsmanship, they have nothing to say. just like how miketag probably wont come back and comment because all aggies know its true. Definition of hypocrites.

by MJY6087 on Feb 14, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

See my previous reply.

You skin is a little too thin, methinks.

by mnHorn on Feb 12, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

A bit worried that this just isn't a game for Gary Johson

which will make it a little bit harder for Texas to stretch the zone. Given his struggles with taller frontcourts, that could be an issue. And it won’t matter much on the offensive end because Hamilton won’t be posting up because of Baylor’s zone, but defensively having to guard a taller more athletic player is not something that Hamilton has dealt with much in his college career, so I could see Anthony Jones giving him some trouble defensively if he’s aggressive.

Follow me on Twitter: @GhostofBigRoy
www.burntorangenation.com

by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 11, 2011 3:38 PM CST reply actions  

while GJ doesnt have the size

his midrange jumper should help with zone stretching and i think his tenacious d (Jack Black reference!) and rebounding will help so long as he is not the leader for Texas in those areas.

by dukeoforange on Feb 11, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

FWIW

Gary had a solid offensive game when we played @ Baylor last year. Of course, this was the game where Quincy Acy had like 10 dunks. Hamilton had a decent game as well.

by goingforthecorner on Feb 11, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

not worried

if Texas plays like they have been since league play started then they should win this game soundly.

Baylor needs to have a great shooting day to stay in it, especially from 3pt land. However, assuming Dogus locks up Dunn as expected, i just don’t see where the rest of baylor’s points will come from for them to win.

by jtdoes on Feb 11, 2011 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

I'm surprised you have us only winning by 8

even more surprised you think Baylor will score 70 on us. Yeah they have Dunn who mirror’s Hamilton’s stats. Khris Middleton also at one point mirrored Hammy’s stats, and we held him to ZERO points.

They are a decent team in most areas of the game (elite in not getting their shot blocked, that’s literally it), but are absolutely horrible at taking care of the ball. With guys like Hamilton and Brown who always gamble for steals, along with Balbay, Hill, Thompson’s defense, I can see us racking up turnovers and fast break points.

Pomeroy predicts a 15 point win. Vegas says -11.5 Texas. O/U at 130.5 total points scored.

by goingforthecorner on Feb 12, 2011 12:10 AM CST reply actions  

All good points

You make good points, and hey, no question about it: I can easily envision a 15+ point win for Texas.

My game predictions are extremely subjective, and generally a matter of “feel,” so to speak. Generally speaking, if you were to evaluate my predictions you’d find that I typically err on the side of cautious optimism. Honestly, sometimes that’s hurt me, like two weeks ago when I predicted a narrow win at Reed, which I shouldn’t have, considering how I felt about the game after watching A&M at the Drum.

With this game, I suppose that my feeling is that Baylor’s got a LOT to play for in their two remaining match ups with Texas. A win could be the difference between an invite to the Dance or NIT. I love our defense, but I think Baylor matches up about as well with us as a team could hope for. And really, although I’ll be impressed if we keep it going, we’re on a historic pace in terms of our final score differential. We’re bound to play some close games, and I guess I could see this game being closer than some think in the same way that the UConn game was closer than it should have been. Hell, we should have won that game by 10, too.

Like I said in the preview, if this game is “routine” — as in, we don’t encounter any big issues like TT foul trouble or an uncharacteristically bad shooting day — then we’re fine. We’ll win comfortably. But Baylor at least presents some issues, and it’s not hard for me to see us having to battle for this one.

Hook ’em

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Feb 12, 2011 2:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Understandable

I feel extremely embarrassed that we’ve lost 5 straight games to them, and that alone worries me. But this Texas team is just… different. All the losing streaks we’ve encountered going into this season so far have been snapped (winning at KU, winning at A&M). I truly feel the Baylor and KSU losing streak will go down in flames as well. This is just the year I feel where everything goes right. Really hope Rick Barnes didn’t sell his soul to the devil.

One of your initial statements stand out to me:

The Bears don’t have a very good basketball team. The Bears do not have a coach. What they do have is a lot of height and length, and a lot of raw talent.

Agreed. And what we learned the last few years is chemistry and good coaching >>> raw talent and athleticism. Baylor lost their chemistry and leadership the moment Tweety Carter and Ekpe Udoh left. Baylor is improving (impressive win at Reed), but I do not feel they are at the level where they can win in Austin. @ Waco though, perhaps the game is a tossup.

by goingforthecorner on Feb 12, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Normally I'm with your prediction but...

I cant see Baylor scoring 70 against this team in Austin with there offensive inefficiencies and turnover problems. Texas getting 70s sounds about right but I think we hold Baylor to low 60s upper 50s

by HornsUpInLA on Feb 12, 2011 1:11 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks

Always appreciate your hoops thoughts. I explained my prediction in the comment above. I won’t be surprised at all if Texas beats Baylor down by 15 points. But there are reasons to think this may prove to be a real contest. Whether it’s Baylor playing up to their potential or Texas playing down from their recent brilliance, or some combination of the two, this isn’t guaranteed to be a cakewalk.

And on that note, it’s pretty cool that knowledgeable fans are having a debate about whether it’s appropriate to predict just an 8 point win.

Hook ’em

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Feb 12, 2011 2:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Certainly odd that Baylor does present such a "fearfactor"

I felt for sure we would drop the game at the end of the yr in Waco, but after reading Trips write up about there Offensive issues I felt better. That being said I can see Dunn and Jones giving us trouble but I think they would max out at around 40 pts or so… if thats the case I’m not sure the supporting cast can hurt us.

Then again, felt that way about UConn heading into that one and that game the role players stepped up for them so it could happen. Either way love the banter, Sports Talk in LA sucks so its nice to have an Outlet for all things Texas!

Hook Em

by HornsUpInLA on Feb 12, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Great post, PB.

Love this:

The Bears do not have a coach.

Call it karma, physics or whatever, but I can only take Baylor’s downfall this season alongside our continuing success and assume that all is being made right again.

I would very much enjoy 20+ on Scott Drew today.

by Infield Elephant on Feb 12, 2011 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Burnt Orange Nation, a blog dedicated to University of Texas athletics. Get BON updates via Twitter.

Site Editors

Pb3_small Peter Bean

Dark_pumpkin_small awiggo

Sbnheadshot_small Wescott Eberts (GoBR)

Contributing Authors

Gse_multipart20834_small 40AS

Pigeons_small billyzane

Zombie_profilepic_small Horn Brain

220px-learnedhand_small learned hand

Jersey_front_small 54b

Small whills

Me_small burnt in ny

600px-lorenz_attractor_ybsvg_small pleaseplaykindle

Small TheElusiveShadow

Rosebowl_small txtwstr7

Silhouette_bull_crop_small TXStampede

Brandedbevo1024x768_small dimecoverage

Hookem_small Hopkins Horn

Pic_small Reggieball

Debonair_pic_small GoHornsGo90

Dkr_small InDKR'sShadow

Profile_pic_small billfromlaketravis

Peterson_small ElongatedHorn

Small Cat8

Harold_small HaroldHill

Michael_pelech_photo_small The Audit Horn