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Jerry Gray Interviewing With Titans

Surprise, surprise. The Jerry Gray Saga was not resolved on Day 4 with a relatively ambiguous comment by Gray to a group of Texas boosters on Thursday afternoon. Or by equally ambiguous remarks earlier in the day on an Austin radio station by Mack Brown about Gray being excited to be at Texas.

No, the Jerry Gray Saga is now stretching into Day 5 with two reports coming out of NFL circles (here and here) that Gray will interview for the defensive coordinator position with the Titans. And by the way, Gray interviewing with Tennessee was something that neither Gray nor Brown addressed or denied on Thursday. Mike Munchak hasn't given up and it still appears that Gray is the only target right now. Until that changes, this sad saga continues.

The latest breaking news, as of Friday afternoon, is that Gray is in Nashville and was just spotted at the airport being picked up by new head coach Mike Munchak. Since Gray has already reportedly been offered the Titans job at about $1 million dollars a year, this interview is more about Munchak selling Gray on the opportunity. And Gray's presence in Nashville suggests that he's likely ready to consider accepting the job. If he leaves Nashville without becoming the next defensive coordinator with the Titans, it will be a major upset for Texas.

Otherwise, Texas will go into the most important recruiting weekend of the year without a defensive backs coach once again and the coaching search of 2010-11 will take another major turn, perhaps the most damaging turn yet.

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If he was smart

he wouldn’t burn his bridges with Texas.

by spinmonkey on Feb 11, 2011 4:20 PM CST reply actions  

Why can't he burn his bridge?

I bet he knows he’ll never come back to Texas if he leaves…but it’s his choice. I’d probably take the job if I was him.

"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite

by Sunkist on Feb 11, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

And I hate the Titans....and absolutely devote my sports viewing to Texas Longhorns sports.

"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite

by Sunkist on Feb 11, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Through all of this

I still wish the best for Gray and his family. I hope he stays at Texas, but will have no ill will towards him if he decides to take an opportunity he can’t pass up

by Hobbes881 on Feb 11, 2011 4:26 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Yes, he can pass it up.

I will not wish him the best if he leaves this soon. Shouldn’t signing a contract,as well as the damage this will do to his “beloved” alma mater, and his word to Mack mean anything? Years ago I was accepted to a graduate school and verbally accepted their offer about 2 days before I received a “better” offer (because the second was in Texas and offered a teaching assistantship, which the first wasn’t and didn’t). Largely out of a sense of obligation, I did not back out of the first offer I had accepted. Yes, I know millions of dollars were not involved then, but at some point you should have enough “toys” and more money should not drive your decisions. If Gray’s dream is to be DC or HC in the NFL, he should have stayed in the NFL and not accepted UT’s offer. Call it sour grapes, but no I am not going to be understanding, no I am not going to wish him well, and no I do not agree that the Titan’s offer is too good to pass up.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Feb 12, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It's a lot of money

And Gray has been an NFL guy all the way. Yes, Bud Adams is juvenile but he left Fisher in place forever (having accomplished very little) so perhaps there is more job security there than you would think. And I always wondered why he didn’t get another DC gig after Buffalo; perhaps this is a chance to prove something to the league that he didn’t think he’d get again.

Best of luck to him either way. As has been stated many times on this board, Mack had to know that this was a possiblity sooner or later.

by utexas87 on Feb 11, 2011 4:33 PM CST reply actions  

It would make no sense to pass it up..

The question is who do we get when Gray takes them up on the offer? I bet Coach Akina would come back for a little raise since he didn’t get the DC position he was counting on.

by Mick Southerland on Feb 11, 2011 4:38 PM CST reply actions  

Mack Brown says that he has a list now

Joked yesterday morning that he could start a consulting firm for hiring coaches now. I expect that Van Malone and Willie Mack Garza are on that list.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 11, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Garza should be the frontrunner there?

Malone, an ex-aggie, got booted out of aggieland by Sherman, didn’t he? Not sure how well that would sit with most orangebloods.

We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 11, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Van

He played for Texas.

by b&g80 on Feb 11, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe so

That would make some sense if Akina wants to come back already. He allegedly tried to back pedal but we had already gotten Gray. What a mess.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 11, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Why? Couldn’t this wait till Monday?

by Northwest Horn on Feb 11, 2011 4:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Obviously

there’s no good timing for news like this. However, I think that he’s better off leaving now than for someone to commit and then possibly de-commit because of a coaching change. This is even worse timing than Muschamp leaving at the banquet, though.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 11, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Blame Bud Adams

Man oh man, how I dislike that man.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 11, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe no one else will work for the old sonofabitch.

With him, JJ in Dallas and the Astros owner you could stink up a boxcar.

by whills on Feb 11, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I read somewhere that McLane was trying to sell the Astros

now that he’s traded some of the best players away.

We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 11, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be great.

They’re about as exciting as dirt right now.

Somehow they never we able to hang on to key players to preserve the balance between hitting and pitching. Don’t hardly watch them anymore.

Jerry Jones is at least aggressive about trying to field a serious championship team, even if his judgment is often flawed.

by whills on Feb 11, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

JJ just sucks in general

Can’t stand the sight of him. Old wounds there.

We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 11, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

The Tom Landry handling was awful ...

… but Jerry did bring 3 more titles to Dallas. I can’t thank him enough for that. I really think he regrets the way Landry was handled at the beginning. He just didn’t realize it back then. The only thing I’ve got against him now is that he needs to fire himself as general manager. Just doesn’t work. Besides that, he’d be a great owner to play for, as most of his former players have said as much.

by robthecob on Feb 11, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

The Landry handling and hiring Barry Switzer

are unforgiveable. Birds of a feather you know.

We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 11, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

How could I have forgotten about Switzer?!

That has GOT to be the dumbest coaching hire that I’ve ever seen in 40 years of watching football. Living in Dallas and being a UT fan, it was excruciating. Aikman & Irvin both hated it too, for different reasons. His “reasoning” for hiring him was that he thought the new free-agent era was going to be one of “recruiting” and Switzer just happened to have a great history as a college recruiter (cheating included). But he was in so far over his head when it came to Xs, Os, & general team leadership, it was just embarrassing. They won the ‘95 Super Bowl purely on remaining talent that Jimmy had assembled and 3 HOF skill players on offense. I didn’t think that my Dad & I could have despised Switzer anymore than we already did before … but we learned a new level.

I’ll grant you that one. I just can’t hate Jerry over it. It was a dumb move but he certainly didn’t flip-off an entire city, ala Bud Adams. Jerry still wanted to win games, bottom line.

by robthecob on Feb 11, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Marcus Dupree

When I watched that 30 on 30, I couldn’t help but feel sorry for the kid when he talked about his college experience. Who knows what would have happened had he played for Akers in Austin. He mighta been one of the all-time greats. Whenever they’d show Switzer in a past or present-day shot, it made my hair stand on end. He oozes evil. DKR thought as much too.

by robthecob on Feb 11, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

There have really been some sad songs in OU land.

All that glitters is not gold, esp. across that ole Red River.

by whills on Feb 11, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you me?

I think I said exactly the same thing,,verbatim,,just yesterday.

There is not a situation or individual that cannot be improved by the addition of chocolate.

by OnMySignal on Feb 12, 2011 5:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I was a huge Astros fan

until the last few years when McLane gutted the team.

We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 11, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Well this past season, it did make sense to trade and begin rebuilding

You’re kidding yourself if you thought they were going to do anything with what they had and nothing in the farm system. Rebuilding process sucks, but if done properly, will lead them back to the playoffs. I feel your pain as I had to go through with it as a Rangers fan

by SneezyBeltran on Feb 11, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

As a KC Royals Fan

I can feel the pain of holding on to key players and the balance between hitting and pitching. Royals are the farm club for the rest of the league but I’m a die hard fan and I will continue to root for them.

As far as Gray is concerned – he hasn’t coached anything yet at Texas so if he leaves, good luck to him. Although I doubt we find a replacement that has his moxie and coaching ability, it will not be the death nail to the program.

"Sectional football games have the glory and the despair of war, and when a Texas team takes the field against a foreign state, it is an army with banners."
~John Steinbeck

by HazzardousHorns on Feb 11, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I like KC and have rooted for them occasionally

You can tell they’re generally young and inexperienced – they always get much better after the All-Star break. Small market teams have a rough go, but I’ve always thought they carry on the spirit of baseball well.

by whills on Feb 11, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

George Brett is my all-time favorite player.

I loved that championship team even though they were in my Rangers’ division. Great bunch. Sure wish the small-market teams had as much of a chance now as they did back then.

by robthecob on Feb 11, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with wrangler86

Two things will never change...Jesus loves us and UT is awesome.

by fotwzyhorn on Feb 11, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Rumors, rumors

Maybe Gray flew in to help Munchak assess the Titans situation and identify other candidates. Mack said he brought in his friends and experts to help him appraise the situation. Maybe it has been a done deal and a new DB coach will be on campus tonight? Who knows anymore!!

However, I cannot for the life of me understand why Gray would be out of pocket on Junior Day weekend if he cared at all about Texas. No matter what—taking the Titans job or not, it could certainly have waited until Monday and the appearance of him not taking his current job with Texas seriously while recruits are about to visit is mind blowing to me. This is absolutely bizarre unless he is back in town tomorrow morning having prepared non-stop watching recruiting videos on the plane.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 11, 2011 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

You're right.

Never thought it before but if Gray is out of Austin this weekend, it’d probably be a pretty legit sign that he’s a Titan.

by robthecob on Feb 11, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think he'd miss the weekend if he had ANY intention of coaching Longhorns

It’s entirely possible he’ll return in time, though, right?

Just Harsin around.

by burntorangehorn on Feb 11, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah if he doesn't take the job

I would expect him to be back in town some time tomorrow. No reason to stay and I think he will have to make a choice pretty fast.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 11, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Looking at the junior day list

There don’t seem to be many (2 at most) DBs even coming so maybe that is why. There actually don’t seem to be many secondary targets in general. GoBR what is up with that?

by Wrangler86 on Feb 12, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

The final Big Board is up

It looks like there are three at the first Junior Day and two at the second. Some new guys on the radar.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 12, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Sadly

I’ll believe we have our full staff once we kickoff.

by Mousasi512 on Feb 11, 2011 4:48 PM CST reply actions  

What if he flops in the NFL?

Would it have been worth severing his ties to The University?

by spinmonkey on Feb 11, 2011 4:54 PM CST reply actions  

Don't get the impression from coaches

that anyone of them really think like that. It’s why they always believe that someone with the necessary ability can be turned into a good player. There’s some institutional hubris there I think and it’s probably necessary to ever have any success in the first place.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 11, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I know you're right.

I’m just venting because of all we’ve been through over the past few months.

by spinmonkey on Feb 11, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Titans writer here...

What exactly can you tell my about Gray? All I really know about him is that he’s considered a great positional coach, and coached some very good, and very bad defenses as a coordinator with the Buffalo Bills.

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by Aditya T (smashville) on Feb 11, 2011 5:08 PM CST reply actions  

Well he hasn't been at Texas long.

As you mentioned, he has a strong reputation. From the sound of some things he said yesterday at the Longhorn Foundation luncheon, he believes in being aggressive and getting after the quarterback. Also said that he likes to use odd fronts to make it difficult for the offensive line. Against Peyton Manning he would call a base defense and then switch it in the last 11 seconds of the play clock so that Manning couldn’t get a pre-snap read. Likes to use extra defenders to blitz rather than rely on blanket coverage/coverage sacks.

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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Feb 11, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

He's the worst coach ever

We only offered him the job because we try to help out our alumns that have no talent. Believe me, you don’t want him. How quickly can you start a Veto Seto start campaign in Smashville?

Seriously, he is talented. He said that he wanted to come back to Texas to be closer to family, and everyone knows he interviewed but didn’t get the DC job. We were thrilled he would take a DB position job since we all know he is over-qualified. Everyone thought it was part in parcel that Coach Doom (Diaz) will either be a flop and be gone in 2-3 years and Gray would take the CD job. Or, Coach Doom will be like Coach Boom, and go off to a HC job in 2-3 years, and then Gray would be the next DC. It makes no sense to me that Coach Gray and Coach Brown did not discuss at length the fact that Gray is over-qualified but that this was a chance for him to come home and begin his Texas coaching career.

I am still in denial and holding out hope that Gray is only meeting with Munchak to help him evaluate in the vetting process for other candidates. Also, most Longhorns despise Bud Adams a little less than I, but it is still a lot. This will seal the deal.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 11, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

A lot of you are familiar with the Titans considering the abundance of players on our team,

do you think he could be successful again as a DC in the NFL?

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by Aditya T (smashville) on Feb 11, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

He’d be great anywhere. That’s why we’re all mad that he might be leaving.

by robthecob on Feb 11, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

But I’m not sure why he hasn’t gotten any of the prior DC jobs. Rumor is that he commands a room. Seemed like a strange situation for him to work under Diaz since he wanted the DC position.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 11, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he finally figured out that,

if he was ever going to have a shot at being the DC or HC at UT, that he’d have to work his way up from the inside. I love it that he came back and I hope all of this speculation dies down.

by robthecob on Feb 11, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought so

But, leaving town for our first junior day is a bit unforgiveable. Unless he has Mack’s blessing and it is merely to help Munchak out as a favor to give insight. IF he really is actually interviewing he is already gone. And, he will never come back if any of us have any sense. Mack will never allow it.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 11, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder about his friendship with Munchak

apparently he needs some support to build a staff and the stuff about Matthews, et. al., seems to have certain maybes wrapped in the contingencies. So, perhaps Munchak is just reaching out for someone he can rely on.

To some, this may seem like grasping at straws, but the espoused family values Mack endorses – and that extends to close friends – I think it is a viable thought. It also make possible the statement, without much ooomph, that he will coach at Texas, which, in this context, would have been stated not for Texas per se, but for Munchak. I realize this is highly nuanced and on here such things regularly get blasted but sometimes when you’re sitting on top of the world, you’re sitting there alone.

Sure, maybe Jerry had a revelation that his true place was in the NFL and the investment of time and work at Texas wouldn’t yield the rewards he dreamed about…but, it is also true, he is assistant head coach and no one else has that designation. I personally don’t think that is a piece of fluff. I think it was a measure of Mack’s respect and commitment to him as well as something to elevate the simple DB Coach designation. I would expect that Mack wants him to have a clear mind regardless of which choice he makes.

Besides, if he returns ready to coach, he can look at those recruits and say, “I came back for you, to make you real Texas Longhorns” and not another word would be spoken.

If he goes, sometimes we find that our dreams are really not what we think they are, more nostalgic and infused with past emotion and not as relevant to the present as we had hoped. His family should be his anchor in this. Either way, I wish him the best of luck. He can tackle this because the sonofagun was one of the best tacklers I’ve ever seen.

by whills on Feb 11, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

At first I was all flustered

But then I started to think the same thing as you. Mack probably told him to go check it out and help Munchak out. Leave no “what ifs” or regrets and things will work out for everyone. I think our age is showing. This is is simply part of life in the world of high profile and big $$ sports.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 12, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm beginning to place your posts up there with Twain, Hemingway, & Sherrod.

Very well verbalized thoughts. I loved this one …

“…but sometimes when you’re sitting on top of the world, you’re sitting there alone.”
And totally agree with this slight understatement …
“He can tackle this because the sonofagun was one of the best tacklers I’ve ever seen.”

by robthecob on Feb 12, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the Titans and their fans will suck either way

Glad VY’s not there anymore. Hopefully the others can get out soon too

by SneezyBeltran on Feb 11, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe a good thing

Some of Gray’s comments at OB sounded like he (Gray) thought he was the DC rather than a position coach.

Don’t let the door hit you in the butt Mr. Gray. Just me.

by Barista on Feb 11, 2011 5:33 PM CST reply actions  

It did sound that way

I think he considers himself a DC all the way. Didn’t think he’d stay long but again the timing is terrible. The good news as GoBR mentions above is that Mack has his list in hand and it probably won’t take long to replace him. Also I don’t think there are a lot of DB’s at the first Junior Day.

We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin

by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 11, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Win.

Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.

by pleaseplaykindle on Feb 11, 2011 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrong

Go back and read what I wrote about Barnes. If you can.

As for football we got the shakeup that was sorely needed. Unless of course you want Greg Davis back.

As for Gray his comments posted by Chip B on OB made him sound like he was the DC. Given the choice between Diaz and Gray, I’m happy with Diaz and think it might be best for Gray to move on. He is a distraction.

by Barista on Feb 12, 2011 6:05 AM CST up reply actions  

HH, didn't know you were so mean, and 5 rec's?

Just because you disagreed with this guy on Barnes doesn’t mean he can’t or shouldn’t offer his opinions. If we all agreed, this would be a really boring blog.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Feb 12, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

But, gasp, I have an opinion too!

But you generally don’t care for what I have to say, so my expressing my opinion is out of bounds. Glad that’s cleared up.

To be filled in later.

by Hopkins Horn on Feb 12, 2011 10:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Now you're a mind-reader too, HH?

How do you know what I think? As a matter of fact, I think you are one of the most insightful, prolific, and knowledgable contributors. I am just saying what Peter has said time and again. We are all UT fans and we need to treat others with respect and civility and less scarcasm on this blog. I just though you were a little tough on Barista. Next time, I’ll mind my own business.

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by OBdoc on Feb 12, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Served

"I want to be remembered as the guy who gave his all whenever he was on the field."
-Walter Payton

by CoachEtch on Feb 11, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

$$$$$

“the appearance of him not taking his current job with Texas seriously while recruits are about to visit is mind blowing to me.”

And to me.

by utexex on Feb 11, 2011 5:39 PM CST reply actions  

That's really not how it works with Texas and Mack

That’s why he’s known for his February signings. Not very many schools sign as many players as Mack does at the very beginning of the recruiting year and I’m fairly sure that’s something that Mack values. It’s always best to get them to commit before they can elsewhere.

TEXAS FIGHT

by Darklust on Feb 11, 2011 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

He has to know if he does this it’ll be a cold day in hell before Mack and Deloss hire him as anything other than a janitor

by Horns102591 on Feb 11, 2011 6:26 PM CST reply actions  

Given the labor situation and being on a new staff....

is risky imo given the NFL environment. His job security with Tennessee would not what it would be with Texas.

by silky51 on Feb 11, 2011 6:33 PM CST reply actions  

I don't believe the Titans..

…are my second favorite team anymore. First, treating VY like they did, and now this. Munchak, Fisher, and Adams can suck a ****.

by vy til i die on Feb 11, 2011 7:45 PM CST reply actions  

If he ends up going

I know the politically correct thing to do is to wish him and his family well and say I understand because it’s way more money and Gray is overqualified for the job here, and so on and so forth. But, you know what? There’s this little legal device that, for all practical purposes, is the instrument that allows business to operate in this country and most others. It’s called a fucking contract. In any other industry when you sign your name on one but don’t do something that’s in that piece of paper you get sued. In the world of big time coaching, however, you get a pat on the back for getting a promotion and pay raise and the talking heads on the tube justify and praise you when you bolt from your contract (job) to another. It, honestly, makes me sick.

Granted, I don’t know what clauses are in Gray’s coaching contract, and for all I know there are multiple clauses that allow him to bolt whenever he wants. Even if those clauses are in there, a person shouldn’t make a promise to an organization only to turn his back on them when the grass appears greener elsewhere, especially in this case when Gray allegedly wanted so desperately to return to his alma mater. If those escape clauses aren’t in there and Gray is allowed to bolt free and clear, I guess I can’t really even be mad at him, though. It’s not his fault the system is like it is. The problem is industry wide, and I really wish there would be more organizations that say, “No. You signed a contract to coach here for 4 years, and barring some ridiculous circumstance you’re going to do it, or we’ll see your ass in court.” Alas, they won’t, and coaches at the big level will continue to sign for 5 and leave when they damn well please.

This isn’t an indictment of a former Longhorn great. I really do wish him well, and I also realize that this may be all for naught if he stays. It is an indictment of the system as a whole. I guess I just wish that we still lived in a day when a promise to see something through meant something and man’s word was his bond. /rant

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by lnghrn53 on Feb 11, 2011 8:42 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

When Texas gave Tennessee permission to see him

they opened the door.

In one of the referenced pieces, one of the teams (NFL) refused permission for Munchak to interview their coach, thereby invoking the contract.

So it is not quite cut and dried as it appears.

In the end of your rant, you invoke old West/old timey Texas values, which were great but hardly in play in much of our world beset by all manner conniving sobs (and I’m not naming the Texas Lege directly for much of its existence but that’s just because they haven’t shot each other lately).

by whills on Feb 11, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Problem is

It works the other way too. You can sign a 5 year contract and they can say we don’t like your performance after 1 and fire you. If it works one way, it has to work the other way too. In real life you give notices and can leave a deal (usually just can’t work for a competitor for X amount of time).

Obviously I want him to stay at UT, and I hate the timing of all this, but in the end he is going to do what is best for him. I guess hearing nothing at all is good news at this point?

by Jhal2315 on Feb 11, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair point

But, there is one discerning difference. To get rid of the coach early in the contract the organization has to show he was being fired with cause in order to not pay him. Showing that is very hard to do, and it almost always ends up in a lawsuit, and that was the point of my comment that everywhere else if you do something not in the K, you get sued. Look around at how many college teams end up paying off old coaches for years because they ended the contract early and couldn’t find “cause,” like TAMU with Fran, or Colorado who allegedly couldn’t fire Hawkins because they couldn’t afford his payout and a new coach. On the other hand rarely do you see an org not let a coach interview for a new job. Like Wrangler said below, I’m aware it’s a double edged sword because you don’t want an unhappy coach, but regardless, the balance is tipped way in favor of the coaches in this situation.

"I feel sorry for people who don’t drink. When they wake up in the morning, that’s as good as they’re going to feel all day." -Frank Sinatra

by lnghrn53 on Feb 12, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It's those old West/old timey Texas values

That I really do wish were still in existence. I grew up in small town West Texas and was raised with those values, so I may be a little naive to think that everyone should embrace that, but I just don’t see what’s so hard about saying you’ll do something, then actually doing it.

"I feel sorry for people who don’t drink. When they wake up in the morning, that’s as good as they’re going to feel all day." -Frank Sinatra

by lnghrn53 on Feb 12, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel that way too lghrm53, but I think it is the wrong way to look at it

In big $ football coaches and players change constantly. It is part of the sport.

Coaches get fired all the time and so the failure to give a coach permission to interview is really a doulbe edge sword. If you invoke a no contact clause you may now have a disgruntled coach and that is like poison for morale, etc. I would expect that Mack doesn’t even ask for that. Unlike the Randy Shannan debacle, Mack has always told recruits that if you don’t want to be here he will help you get to where you want to go. He is probably the same with coaches.

It would not surprise me at all if Gray is having some second thoughts of taking orders from a younger, less experienced DC. He could have been 100% committed to us, but it just not working as the right fit at this time because we all know he is overqualifed. He is also a very competitive, smart defensive guy and he is probabably not much of a “yes” man. So, if he feels that he knows a better way he is going to be a handful for Diaz and it is so early that known of us can know how that dynamic is or isn’t working.

My intuition/instincts tell me that Mack probably told Gray to go interview for this job so that you do not have any regrets. If it is a better fit, it is meant to be and Mack would probably tell Gray that he is at the top of his list if the DC job re-opens. If Gray goes and decides he still wants to be the DB coach at Texas then he will have no resentment or “what ifs” to worry about. Also, Gray would know that he met with his friend Munchak, and helped him look at other candidates and ways to market the Titans DC position. Whatever is meant to be will happen and will be for the best. I don’t want a “trapped” Jerry Gray on our coaching staff anymore than I want a player like Westerman that is always looking at the shiny new penny across town.

This is part of football, and recuits/players simply have to get used to it and get over it. A player can sign with a team, and depending on his “no trade clause” be traded away. Other players get hurt. Teamates and best friends get traded. Coaches leave for greener pastures. If a recruit/player thinks he is committing to a position coach (a la Westerman) they are just in for a life a grief. There is simply very little stability in this sport, and the sooner these guys look at the whole picture and not one small part the better off they will be. Professional athletes get paid big bucks, but security is not one of the benefits of their chosen career.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 12, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

All great points, Wrangler

And, I know that I made the entire situation way too black and white. It’s something that I try to avoid doing, but this whole system just gets under my skin. I think about the NFL where a player gets put under contract, and if he’s unhappy he has to jump through God knows how many hoops to get a trade or get released, and even if he does, there are usually a lot of strings attached. On the other hand, coaches come and go as they please forsaking contract terms always leaving for greener pastures, and everyone is sort of fine with this. It’s a ridiculously unfair balance. My issue if from a purely ideological perspective that I know will never come to fruition because of the nature of the market.

I totally agree with you regarding Gray. If he isn’t fully committed and is going to have issues taking orders from a young buck, then I don’t want him here, just like I didn’t want Westerman as a player if he wasn’t all in. It just kind of irked me that Gray would take this approach now that the Tenn job came open. Gray harked about how much he wanted to come home to Austin and knew the situation he was getting himself into, so this sudden change of heart just puzzles me. Reading below it looks like he’s staying (if link is correct), so as I said, this was all for naught. At the end of the day, the system is broken, and I wish that putting your name on that piece of paper still meant something.

"I feel sorry for people who don’t drink. When they wake up in the morning, that’s as good as they’re going to feel all day." -Frank Sinatra

by lnghrn53 on Feb 12, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear ya

There are definitely ways to improve the overall systems. The one think Texas has going for it is that we are a generally considered a final destination, and not a transitional place for the high up positions.

Imagine how fans at Cincinatti, Tulsa, etc. feel. If they ever have a good year their coach is almost certainly gone. That would really suck.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 12, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll raise you

How must it feel as a fan for you school to be considered a “final destination” stop, then to fall from grace, get hosed, and start to feel like a Cincy or Tulsa? e.g. The University of Tennessee.

"I feel sorry for people who don’t drink. When they wake up in the morning, that’s as good as they’re going to feel all day." -Frank Sinatra

by lnghrn53 on Feb 12, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

That was somewhat self-inflicted

They made a deal with Kiffin and if you lie down with dogs, don’t complain about the fleas.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 12, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Offer increased to 1.3 mil for Gray....

interesting that the offer has gone up, Tennesse pulling out all the stops to get him.

still, nobody saying which way this will swing.

by silky51 on Feb 11, 2011 9:08 PM CST reply actions  

Take it for what it's worth

http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/2/12/1989946/jerry-gray-still-in-nashville-tracy-rocker-in-the-mix-for-titans

but he’s probably gone by this point, not being here for junior day weekend.

sucks,

I wish I could play little league now... I'd kick some fuckin' ass.

by drbadass on Feb 12, 2011 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

This makes me lose faith in humanity.

Well, maybe not entirely but damn, it does make me nauseous.

by spinmonkey on Feb 12, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

true

That’s why I said take it for what it’s worth. I hope I and that person are both sorely mistaken.

I wish I could play little league now... I'd kick some fuckin' ass.

by drbadass on Feb 12, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Freaking great news!

I retract everything I said about Mr. Gray. I think I know who my man-crush is going to be.

by spinmonkey on Feb 12, 2011 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

Most of us have a lot emotional investment in our team

I’m just glad we have this place to vent with others willing to hear our angst and venting. Cuz my family and co-workers sure don’t like hearing me try to explain my daily longhorn drama.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 12, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

True fans are 365 days a year fans.

That means we live and die everyday with our Horns and need a place to rant and rave and BON is that place for me. God Bless The University of Texas!

by spinmonkey on Feb 12, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This

"I feel sorry for people who don’t drink. When they wake up in the morning, that’s as good as they’re going to feel all day." -Frank Sinatra

by lnghrn53 on Feb 12, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

GBR--have you posted a Secondary Big Board review?

I couldn’t find it.
I was just reviewing your post on the junior day invitees and it looks like only 2 safeties and 2 athletes on the lists. Don’t we have any CB’s coming in for junior days?
It also explains why the timing for Gray going to Tenn. last night wasn’t a big deal. He only has a few recruits to worry about but hopefully he is scouting some more.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 12, 2011 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

I always thought Junior Days were all weekend

That they started on Friday night and ended Sunday mid-day. Apparently the assumption is totally wrong because everything I’m reading says the Junior Day is Sunday. Therefore, it isn’t that out of line for Gray to be gone on Friday night and back Saturday.

I will just be glad when it is announced either way. In Mack (and Sally) I trust. We know Mack can target the coaches, but I firmly believe that Sally is our secret weapon to close the deals with the families. No coach is moving to Austin without the blessing of his wife.

by Wrangler86 on Feb 12, 2011 1:48 PM CST reply actions  

Per Hookem247:

Gray headed back to Austin
No decision has been made
He will speak with Mack either tonight or tomorrow

by NeTexHorn on Feb 12, 2011 2:56 PM CST reply actions  

Appears that Gray is indeed going to Nashville.

Link

by NeTexHorn on Feb 12, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

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