Texas Longhorns Basketball: The Quest For 16-0
After successfully navigating the daunting gauntlet of games versus A&M, at OSU, at Kansas, vs Missouri, and at A&M, the University of Texas men's basketball team now has a reasonable chance to do something special: run the conference table to finish a perfect 16-0 in Big 12 play. It's only been done one time in league history, in 2001-02, by the Kansas Jayhawks squad anchored by Drew Gooden, Kirk Heinrich, and Nick Collison. That Jayhawks squad wound up losing the in the Big 12 Tournament finals to Oklahoma, but they earned a No. 1 seed in the Midwest Region of the 2002 NCAA Tournament and advanced to the Final Four before falling to the title-winning Maryland Terrapins.
Fast forward nine years and many are wondering whether Texas, now at 7-0 and ranked No. 3 in the country, has a shot to become the second Big 12 team to get to 16-0. What are the odds that they pull it off? And who presents the toughest challenges along the way?
The Odds of Getting to 16-0
First, let's take a sober asseessment of Texas' chances to get there. Although the recent five-game stretch provides ample reason to be excited, objectively the odds still aren't in Texas' favor. A look at Ken Pomeroy's projections reveals that it's more likely than not that Texas fails to win all 9 remaining conference games.
To arrive at the percentage chance Texas wins out, we first determine the likelihood that Texas will win each individual game remaining on the schedule and then multiply those percentages together. (It's the same as determining the odds of flipping a coin on heads two times in a row. The odds of a heads on either flip is 0.5. Multiplied together, 0.5 x 0.5 = 0.25. You have a 25% chance of flipping heads twice in a row.)
Pomeroy's projections assign the odds of a Texas victory in each remaining game in a range between 78% (at Nebraska) and 99% (home versus Texas Tech). In the chart below, each remaining opponent is listed along with their KenPom ranking, the projected score, and the odds of a Texas victory.
| DATE | OPPONENT | PROJECTION | ODDS | LOCATION |
| Sat Feb 5 | 143 Texas Tech | W, 88-60 | 99% | Home |
| Wed Feb 9 | 121 Oklahoma | W, 71-57 | 93% | Away |
| Sat Feb 12 | 57 Baylor | W, 72-57 | 94% | Home |
| Wed Feb 16 | 77 Oklahoma St | W, 73-55 | 96% | Home |
| Sat Feb 19 | 44 Nebraska | W, 62-56 | 78% | Away |
| Tue Feb 22 | 75 Iowa St | W, 78-59 | 96% | Home |
| Sat Feb 26 | 51 Colorado | W, 76-67 | 80% | Away |
| Mon Feb 28 | 46 Kansas St | W, 74-59 | 93% | Home |
| Sat Mar 5 | 57 Baylor | W, 68-60 | 82% | Away |
| Odds of 16-0 | 38.4% |
With no ranked opponents left on the schedule, the odds of Texas winning any one game are excellent, but with nine remaining on the schedule, the odds of Texas winning them all remain less than 50 percent. Assuming the individual game odds remain static, should Texas beat Tech and OU the odds will improve to 41%, and if they emerge from the game in Lincoln still unscathed, the chances of getting to 16-0 rise to 59%.
The Toughest Remaining Tests
Going strictly by the ratings, Texas' trip to Lincoln provides the stiffest test left on the schedule, and while the success Doc Sadler has had -- particularly at home -- shouldn't be dismissed, from a match up perspective the Longhorns' battle with the Huskers does not look like the most challenging.
That would be Baylor, who lest we forget owns a three-game winning streak over the Longhorns. Now, granted, the Bears (14-7, 4-4) have been pretty pathetic this season, losing last night at No. 121 Oklahoma and owning just two wins over KenPom Top 100 teams (home wins over No. 77 Oklahoma St and No. 51 Colorado). But Baylor is basically playing without a coach, or at least one whose only discernible skill seems to be recruiting. (Perhaps a bit soon for the Jim Calhoun comparisons.) Scott Drew has shown no ability to develop teams, but there's no questioning that the talent is there, and if nothing else, the experience of a thirty-game season can bring a team along. We saw it with Baylor in 2008-09, when they finally pulled it together long enough nearly to run through the Big 12 Tournament.
And with the talent on hand in Waco this year, a similar late-season awakening seems equally plausible. The Bears have two scoring guards in senior guards LaceDarius Dunn and A.J. Walton, both of whom are phenomenally athletic. And both junior Quincy Acy and freshman Perry Jones are explosive big men with size and athleticism. In short, up and down the roster, Baylor is the one remaining opponent who will have Texas out-athleted. They have good size and length, they can run, and they can jump out the gym. They aren't playing very good basketball, but it's not for a lack of talent and athleticism.
There's a reason Texas is a heavy favorite against the Bears (whether in Austin or Waco), but when you look at the players Baylor has it's not hard to imagine why that group, if it put everything together for one night, could crack the Texas defense and pick up a win.
But we're getting ahead of ourselves. For now, Texas will look to take care of business on Saturday at home against Texas Tech, and then on Wednesday in Norman, where the Soooners have quietly won four straight, including a victory over the Bears.
All told, there's a reason that despite 14 seasons filled with some truly great Big 12 teams, just one has managed to win all 16 league games. The odds are Texas won't make it unscathed either, but that we're able to have the conversation in February is a whole heck of a lot of fun.
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The toughest games left
@ CU
@ NU
Both have been good this season. Colorado presents the elevation thing, and lets not forget the TJ Ford team lost there.
I also think we have struggled at Nebraska as well.
Definetly not an easy path, but doable.
Hook 'em
@CU worries me also
The Buffs and Bears are going to be the biggest threats, IMO. The elevation in Boulder, particularly toward the end of a long season, could be a problem.
I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
Noel Coward
by beast in bama on Feb 3, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
So if Texas does win out
How many games in the Big 10, er, Big 12 tournament would they have to win to secure a number 1 seed?
Zactly
Tourneys hardly matter as far as seeding is concerned, particularly for the conference regular season champ.
and If we drop a game?
That is the tough question.
If we go undefeated the rest of the way, we are a #1 seed, and quite possibly the number 1 team (if OSU drops a game). No worries, but that is going to be tough.
But if we lose, say, at CU…… then how many tourney games do we need to win to be a 1 seed? I think that depends on the field. Like we said, lots of basketball left to be played. So that question is a tough one right now.
I love this team though. It is nice to be in this conversation right now.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
Devil's advocate position:
Kansas finishes with one loss and Texas goes undefeated the rest of the regular season. Assuming Ohio State is a 1 seed, Duke is another, and a Big East team to be determined takes the third. Could you not see a Texas-Kansas rematch in the Big 12 chamionship game determining who gets that last one seed?
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by windycityhorn on Feb 3, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Doubt it.
There are so many variables that the committee has to take into account that it’s gong to be hard for them to make a switch like that just hours before the selection show (unless they switched the game to Saturday…I vaguely remember that maybe happening last year…).
Regardless, if both Texas and Kansas go undefeated the rest of the season, both will get #1 seeds over Duke, which has played no one and lost twice. Shouldn’t be an issue.
Windycity...
You’re right. I see that scenario unfolding exactly as you said it. It’d be a great sidelight to the CCG itself. The committee waits on game results like that every year. It wouldn’t be that hard for them to do.
From what BurnOut asked, if UT went undefeated the rest of the way and then lost in the 1st or 2nd game of the tourney and never matched up with KU or got in the CCG, I think they’d still likely get a #1 seed. & if KU wins the CCG w/out matching up with UT, I could see them still getting one also. We’ve got a long ways to go, though. Ya never know what’s gonna happen out East.
I'd even go so far as to call it likely
that Kansas wins out in conference. If that happens I’d argue that Texas needs to meet, and beat, Kansas in the tournament to get a 1 seed — and knock Kansas onto the 2 line.
As much as we love our team and, like many scribes, believe they’re playing better than just about anyone else in the country, there are only so many 1 seeds to go around. Ohio State has one. Duke hurt their cause against but they’re still a good deal better than anyone in the ACC. And they’re still Duke, and the defending champions, and though we’d like to think that doesn’t matter, it does. So a 2-loss (or even a 3-loss) Duke team gets a 1 seed. With that scenario, the committee is not going to give the Big 12 two top seeds and snub the Big East, which is head and shoulders above everybody this year.
Regarding Texas vs. Kansas, the Horns hold one ace: they won in Lawrence, and convincingly. But as Duke is still Duke, Kansas is still Kansas. And if they win the Big 12 tournament and end the season with just one loss, there’s no way in hell they don’t draw a one-seed.
Until those brackets are finalized, Kansas is Longhorn Enemy Number One. Which is good, because it gives this Texas team a reason to keep their foot on the gas. Hook ’em.
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
by windycityhorn on Feb 4, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Very much disagree.
Duke has played no one of consequence. Thus they have beaten no one and they have lost twice to nobodies. The best team they play the rest of the way is UNC, which has losses to Minnesota, Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech (by 20!), and just lost a key player to transfer.
Even if they win out, the ACC is really down this year (and the committee notices things like that even if pollsters don’t), and they will not be a #1 seed over a Texas team that goes 16-0 in conference and loses in the Big 12 Championship game to Kansas team whose only loss on the year is to Texas! It will simply never, ever happen. I suppose it’s possible that 2-loss Kansas would drop below Duke but why should they when both schools will have 2 losses on the season, both of Kansas’ would be to a 1-seed while Duke’s would be to Florida State and St. Johns, both bubble teams?
If Texas and Kansas win out the rest of the season until the Big 12 championship game, they’re both getting a 1-seed. Mark it down. I will bet any amount of money in the world on this. Hell, if Texas goes 16-0 in conference and then loses before the championship game, I’m still fairly positive we’re getting a 1-seed. We’ve seen in the past that the Big 12 tournament doesn’t mean much to the committee when it already has such a wealth of information. Remember in 2003 when Texas lost its first game of the Big 12 tourney to Texas Tech and still got a 1-seed?
I think
The Big 12 tourney means much less to the seed if we win out. Because the committee will have seen enough and they will know that, while all coaches want to win their conference tourney, the goal of winning falls behind the goal of being healthy and sharp for the NCAA tourney.
There is no Big East team dominating, so while the league is better, I don’t think you can say any of the teams are difinitavely better than UT or KU. And the ACC is down this year so Duke will play no one except UNC, a team with talent, but not playing its usual brand of ball.
Agree with BZ. If Texas and Kansas win out, they are both 1 seeds. But, there is a lot of ball to be played guys. That is still a pretty big if.
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
Point conceded
Perhaps I’m so un-used to thinking of a Texas team in contention for a one-seed that I’m trying to look for reasons why it won’t happen.
A lotta basketball games between now and then anyway. Let’s hope that, unlike us, the team is taking ’em one at a time.
Simplicity is always the secret, to a profound truth, to doing things, to writing, to painting. Life is profound in its simplicity. - Charles Bukowski
by windycityhorn on Feb 4, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Agree on every point
Baylor in Waco being the big test and an excellent primer for the tournament. They are the team that can test our defense and potentially shoot lights out in Waco. Plus they play at another level against Texas. Also a good assessment of Lane Kiffin, I mean Scott Drew.
I think it’s amazing we’re even having these discussions and yes, it is a lot of fun.
We have a 12th man and he's Bryan Harsin
by SpiritOfTheFedora on Feb 3, 2011 3:45 PM CST reply actions
One more question...
Do you have any idea, with that kind of resume, what region we would be looking at?
If we get a #1 seed and we're considered better than Kansas, then we'll get San Antonio, no doubt.
If we get a #1 and Kansas is considered better than us, we may still get San Antonio, or we may get shipped to New Orleans (still pretty good) or Anaheim (very bad) so that Kansas can have San Antonio. Either way, I don’t think there’s any way we don’t end up in Tulsa for the first weekend.
I personally think Anaheim would be very good
To be filled in later.
by Hopkins Horn on Feb 3, 2011 4:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also...
…I don’t think there’s much of a chance wind up in NO. Unless something weird happens down the stretch, Texas and Kansas are the two westernmost realistic one seed possibilities. I have to think whoever doesn’t go to SA will go to Anaheim and NO will be saved for an eastern team.
To be filled in later.
by Hopkins Horn on Feb 3, 2011 5:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe.
Or maybe they’ll use Anaheim as the destination for the fourth-best 1-seed, regardless of who it is. I don’t know. I recall them sending east coast #1s out west before.
That's true
In 2009 I believe they sent UCONN as a #1 out to the West region. So they could ‘punish’ the worst #1 rather than ‘punish’ the higher #1 (UT) only due to geographical circumstance.
Going undefeated would put us in the exact same position as 2003. We would get clear preference over Kansas. We would be the champ, and normally the championship game of the Big XII does not factor into the seedings, as it usually is on selection Sunday. We would be number 1 headed to SA!!!
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
Being the #1 in SA would be the ultimate goal ...
… regardless of how they got there or what decisions the committee made.
Thank you.
I was hoping you would say San Antonio. Think that was our route to the Final Four in ’03?
[Rosencrantz has been flipping coins, and all of them are coming down heads]
Guildenstern: Consider: One, probability is a facter which operates within natural forces. Two, probability is not operating as a factor. Three, we are now held within un-, sub- or super-natural forces. Discuss.
Rosencrantz: What?
Aren't those guys supposed to be dead?
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
What can stop us?
- Injuries. Loss of Thompson or Hamilton makes us very beatable.
- Crazy refs. Foul those same guys out early and we are hurting. Let Baylor mug us and they have a chance.
- X factor. Some opponent player goes off and has a career game. (remember Clemente?)
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
And the #1 reason that trumps all of those ...1. Free Throw Shooting.
Not just a major problem for an undefeated season. It’s a major problem for any championship aspirations.
Agreed
@CU and @NU are the toughest and for sure those teams will be amp’d to play us
only weakness on our team right now is FT shooting so if we get into any close games, i wont be surprised if our FT shooting rears its ugly head and costs us a game or possibly two.
then again, i thought @ Kansas and @ A&M would be for sure losses and look what happened. This team keeps raising the bar
Who knows, they may surprise us & nail all their FTs in crunch time.
It’s a savvy bunch.
Yeah, that's the ticket
We’re missing on purpose so that when they try to hack-a-horn in the tourney we’ll surprise them. Yeah.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Don't jinx us
We aren’t even half way there, though that at least seems assured.
I think the three away games BU, CU, NU are going to be tough.
BU – athletically scary
CU – altitudinally scary
NU – agronomally scary
16-0 would be unbelievable.
by jimmer on Feb 3, 2011 7:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
No jinx
Just stating the mathematical obvious. 9 games where the Horns are favored better than 3-to-4. Easy money.
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He's the poster child for Jimmer's everywhere
It’s great to see the Jimmer name finally make the national spotlight.
As long as Texas is a 1 or 2 seed....its very likely they...
get into the San Antonio Regional….that is the goal.
May not be the case if Texas is a 2-seed.
The committee may even deliberately keep 2-seed Texas out of the San Antonio regional to avoid home court against a 1-seed.
Didn't we get Houston as a 2 against Memphis a couple of years back?
To be filled in later.
by Hopkins Horn on Feb 3, 2011 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
And their lousy free throw shooting didn’t help us in that one. However, the 2 seed rarely gets that kind of preferential treatment.
"Well, a guy did a Horns down to him. You just shouldn’t do that."
And another example...
When Syracuse won it all, they got to go to Albany as a 3 and had a huge home court advantage over one seed OU in the Regional Final. OU really got screwed in that one.
To be filled in later.
by Hopkins Horn on Feb 4, 2011 10:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm Gonna Be Selfish!!
Not only do I wanna see UT beat the hell outta CU here in Boulder at the end of the month, but I wanna see them in the Denver regional bracket. Now how the Horns get back here is the quandry: the higher the seed the more likely they go to the Tulsa regional than the Denver regional. So, I’m willing to suffer through a couple losses that help toughen them up, develop them and make them a threat to go deeper in the tournament – as long as the result of those losses is they land in the Denver regional.
Sorry, I am kinda selfish that way! Hook’em Horns }-
Being realistic...
…means recognizing that the original analysis is correct and that the odds are better than 50-50 that we’ll lose at least one regular session game when it’s all said and done, and that that anticipated loss really matters not one bit in terms of our ability to get a one seed and make a deep run in the tournament.
To be filled in later.
by Hopkins Horn on Feb 5, 2011 1:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Barnes for Coach of the Year
Frascilla and O’Neill say yes, and I bet Katz will change his vote now that Walker is mortal.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/tag/_/name/2011-coy-cases
Still a Blaine Irby fan
I await Bill Simmons' column when that happens
Unlike many on here, I have enjoyed and continue to enjoy the Sports Guy’s writing very much, but, still, that will be a fun crow-eating column to read.
To be filled in later.
by Hopkins Horn on Feb 5, 2011 1:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt to hear an apology from him
will probably say something idiotic like UT is playing well in spite of Barnes.
by goingforthecorner on Feb 5, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions

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