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Texas Basketball: A Successful Season Ends Too Soon

Painful as the Texas-less Sweet 16 was to watch, by the conclusion of the regional finals Sunday afternoon, I finally began to reach the acceptance stage of grieving.  Still... just so we're clear:

So Texas pretty much should be in the Final Four.

Good?  Good.

Now after thanking reader MauryJacks for putting that video together for us, beyond the jump a few final thoughts on the basketball season.

Star-divide

The Arizona Loss

What a mixed bag.  The first half was an epic disaster offensively, and relatively encouraging on defense. Regarding the latter, we did an excellent job smothering Williams in a clear strategic decision: "We're not going to let Williams dominate us. The rest of you Cats need to hit some shots."  Unfortunately, they did, drilling 6 of 11 first half threes.

I don't necessarily fault Barnes for the strategy, even though my personal preference heading in was the opposite.  I had thought it better to give your best shot at handling Williams one-on-one, accepting that he's so talented that he's going to get his 25 points, but live with it because you didn't let anyone else doing anything.  That's more the approach we took in the second half, and with better results, but it's too simple to say Rick got it wrong. The fact is that Arizona was more balanced than most realized, and we saw what happened to Duke when they let Williams get going. As well as Williams' teammates played this tourney, it was a true pick your poison situation.

In any event, we played well enough defensively to win the game. We lost the game in the first half in a forgettable showing that gave Rick Barnes' critics loads of ammo with which to shoot him.  Arizona threw double teams at our guards on high screens and double teams on Tristan Thompson virtually every time he touched the ball.  Early in the season?  We were handling that just fine, because we had movement, we had cutters, and we had quick passing. By the end of the season, that was gone. We were stagnant and we were too slow to react.  Early in the year?  We were an offense that played great team basketball.  By the end of the year we were an offense that needed an elite point guard.

And in the second half, that's exactly what we got from J'Covan Brown. He's not exactly a true point, but as I've been saying for a long time now he's the best pure player on the team, and he did a masterful job of taking over and running the show. And if he'd just gotten up the floor a little quicker on the final play, we're probably headed to Anaheim.

Which, of course, brings us to the disastrous end game.  First, the five second call isn't on Barnes. I've seen him draw up plenty of clever in-bound plays (remember the buzzer beating three to Mouton in the corner?), and the one to get the ball to J'Covan was adequate, if uninspired. At the very least, we should have gotten a timeout to regroup and draw up another. Which, I'd wager heavily, leads to us winning the game.

Of course, I'm not sure what Hamilton was thinking calling a timeout there anyway. I haven't heard one way or the other whether it was an ordered timeout, but it doesn't seem likely. I think Hamilton just panicked a little - reacted without thinking. Just like he didn't think on the very next play when he loafed on the inbounds. And on the play after that, when he failed to tackle Williams and gave up a three-point play. Hamilton had a great year, but he had a dreadful game against Arizona.

I'm more disappointed with Barnes for the final play of the game.  Under the circumstances, we should have been playing for a chance at a put-back on a miss, which meant, first of all, that J'Covan should have raced up the floor.  Second, everyone in the building knew J'Covan was going to drive it. The right play there was to have him take it to the rack and surprise everyone with a pass instead of a shot. Regardless, had Brown just gotten up the floor fast enough, Gary Johnson is headed to the line to win it.

So we probably lose anyway. 

Sigh... This was a hard loss to swallow. We didn't play great, but we played well enough to win. We should have beat Arizona, a team that proved how good it is in destroying Duke. I rather think we would have beat the Blue Devils, as well. And we know from experience that UConn is beatable. It was in many respects a damn good season for Rick Barnes and these Longhorns. But it will be one which we look back upon and wonder what could have been.

Rick Barnes

I've actually been pretty pleased with the bulk of the commentary in the aftermath of this season. I expected a lot more "Barnes needs to go" sentiment, and there's been plenty of that, but not amongst the folks who are paying attention. That's encouraging, and more than that, important, because the debate about Rick Barnes shouldn't be about whether he should be the head coach, but about what he needs to do to improve.  That's largely what I saw at both here and at Barking Carnival.

Still, for those of you who don't quite get it, let me be direct: Replacing Rick Barnes doesn't make sense. Look around and recalibrate your understanding and expectations. The best team in the country this year (Ohio State) lost in the Sweet 16.  The preseason favorite to win it all (Duke) got slaughtered in the Sweet 16. Kansas had a path of 16, 8, 12, and 11 seeds to the Final Four. They're at home. The recently popular replacement candidate Jay Wright? Was lucky to make the tournament and went home after one game. One seed Pittsburgh? Out early once again.  Jim Boeheim? Missed the tournament two out of the last three years, and didn't make the second weekend this time around. 

Each year, the anxious fans just point to the guys on a good run. Which is fine, except the fact is that inevitably they, too, will wind up in the preceding paragraph -- the disappointment list -- soon enough themselves. How about Jim Calhoun? Hell of a coach, but of course last year he lost in the second round... of the NIT.  Brad Stephens?  Goodness knows I'm not going to take anything away from him (incredibly impressive), but the point here is not that he's not great but that tourney runs are a product of lots of things, including luck. The Bulldogs were incredibly fortunate with a game-winning buzzer beater in the opener versus Old Dominion, and even more fortunate in the jaw-dropping finish versus Pitt.

And how about Shaka Smart and VCU?  I'm loving every second of this, but they only made the tournament at all because the field expanded to 68, and even then were fortunate to have gotten a bid.  And while I've truly enjoyed this run they're on, it's a run of good play and good fortune. Go watch the above video again. Either they were lucky to have a ref that allowed them to get the ball inbounds to hit the game-winner versus FSU (down one point), or Texas was unlucky to have a ref determined to call a turnover. And hey, the Rams have just been plain hot.  A 36% three point shooting team is shooting nearly 45% from downtown in the tournament. Shaka Smart seems like a great coach. But he's riding the wave as much as he's directing it.

All of which is really just to say that NCAA Tournament success is the result of a lot of factors, some of which a coach controls, and some not.  And what this really boils down to is whether you have a coach who performs well in the things that he can control. 

1.  Does he perform well enough in the regular season to get into the NCAA Tournament?

2.  Does he perform well enough to compete for a high seed and more favorable early match ups?

3.  Does he have the capability of putting together teams that can reach the Sweet 16 with sufficient regularity?

4.  Does he have the capability of putting together a team good enough to reach the Final Four?

That's more or less the calculus.  And by that standard Texas has a very good coach.  If we were to tier head coaches on these factors, Barnes would not be in the very top tier (between 5-10 coaches, depending on how you weight various virtues and deficiencies.  But looking then to the second tier, Rick Barnes pretty much tops that list as one of the leading candidates to break through to that most elite tier. Hell, if he'd gotten a little bit luckier with the timing of some of his early NBA departures, odds are he'd be there already.

The case against Rick Barnes, then, is what? One argument seems to be that he's not in that top tier. Fine, and agreed. But unless you harbor fantasies of Texas replacing him with one of the handful of coaches who already is, then replacing Barnes does not, in fact, improve Texas position. 

"Okay," the response goes, "but Barnes will never get in to the top tier and I want someone who can."  This involves two empirical questions -- (1) Can Rick Barnes get to the very top? (2) Can Coach X get there? -- and I cannot say definitively that you are wrong.  But neither can you say definitively that you're right.  The best one can say is that Coach X seems to be more likely to get to that top level than Barnes. But the list of coaches for whom that plausibly can be argued is slim, because the fact is that Barnes's resume is superior, both in past performance and indicators for future top-level success.

Ultimately, it boils down to the fact that we watch Barnes and know very well his deficiencies and limitations.  And we have experienced intimately his failures.  But if we were fans of Coach X, we would know just as well his deficiencies and limitations, and in experiencing just as intimately his failures, would be similarly frustrated and discouraged.  It's understandable that fans get frustrated and disappointed, and believe me, I do, too. 

But the question is not whether Barnes is a very good coach.  The question is what does he need to do to improve and do even more.

And that is always why I scoff at those who throw the "Barnes is off limits from criticism" straw man at me.  Barnes criticism is not only fair game -- it's the proper focus of conversation. Criticism of Barnes is welcomed. Weak conclusions drawn from those criticisms are rejected.  Simple as that.

Looking Ahead

That is at least where my focus lies.  I'm happy to have Rick Barnes as a head coach at Texas, but that's based both on what he has proven he can do and, most important, my perception of his ability to grow and succeed heading forward.  Indeed, this past season was, despite the gutwrenching ending, a particularly encouraging one in that respect.  We saw this year that Rick Barnes is willing to evaluate himself critically.  We saw that he is willing to make changes.  We saw that he is interested in improvement.  That's an important reason for rejecting the conclusion that Barnes has hit some kind of ceiling.

The first question Barnes should ask himself is if he has surrounded himself with the right assistant coaches. He has a pair of excellent recruiters in Terry and Sprinmann, but I think he'd be wise to look hard to bring in someone whose specialty is in the game itself. Someone who not only understands the game, but excels in teaching it. 

Second, Barnes needs to understand and embrace the importance of a lead guard. It's not quite enough to say that Barnes needs a great point guard. Mainly because it's really quite clear that almost all the great college teams each year feature excellent point/lead guard play. I think the more poignant argument revolves around a coach's ability to recruit, develop, and feature guards like Shelvin Mack and Brandon Knight.  T.J. Ford.  D.J. Augustin.  Myck Kabongo.

We saw just how important J'Covan Brown was to the win in Lawrence and near-win against Arizona. While Barnes certainly has things to work on as a coach and teacher, teams benefit just as much, if not more, from having a lead guard who can do the directing from the floor. Barnes needn't be a game planning genius if he's got guards on the floor who can be conductors.

Looking ahead to next year, Kabongo's arrival is huge in that regard, as will be the return of J'Covan Brown.  Add in Cory Joseph and Texas has the guards to be a great team. How high the team's ceiling is depends on whether Thompson or Hamilton return.  If they both come back, Texas will be a favorite to play into a No. 1 seed. Barnes has been on the cusp before. Maybe we'll get lucky with both and this will be the year we break through.

All told, this season was both a success and a disappointment.  There were very encouraging developments, and disappointing setbacks.  Despite the ending, it was, at least to this fan, one of the most enjoyable seasons and teams of the Barnes era.

Hook 'em

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Really great post PB

It’s almost like you took a deep breath and went all “introspective” to write up this perspective on Barnes.

The case against Rick Barnes, then, is what? One argument seems to be that he’s not in that top tier. Fine, and agreed. But unless you harbor fantasies of Texas replacing him with one of the handful of coaches who already is, then replacing Barnes does not, in fact, improve Texas position.

This, in a nutshell. Barnes isn’t a top 10 coach, but (1) he has the potential to be, and (2) a top 10 coach ain’t leaving his position to come to Texas. Unless you’re one of the very few blue bloods (see: UNC with Roy, KU with Self, Memphis with Cal), parallel moves are few and far between. Given that Barnes is a very able recruiter, it may just be that one of these days, he gets his Carmelo Anthony-esque perfect storm and breaks through for the National Title. Unless you think that’s never happening, there’s no reason to jump on the Fire Barnes Bandwagon.

On another couple of points:

The first question Barnes should ask himself is if he has surrounded himself with the right assistant coaches.

This was a question that was asked over at Barking Carnival, and I think it’s an apt one. These assistants are recruiting rainmakers, but there’s little doubt that there’s something missing in offensive X’s & O’s. Rodney Terry is said to be a favorite for the Lamar HC job, so if he takes that, it will be really interesting to see who Barnes tabs to fill that spot.

Second, Barnes needs to understand and embrace the importance of a lead guard.

Kabongo is a nice start, but it will be really fun to see who Rick can snap up in subsequent years. LJ Rose in ‘12 is the most likely selection, but he’s also looking at a couple two guards in Marcus Smart and D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera that could be capable, J’Covan-esque ballhandlers. Then there’s the recent feeler out to Ricky Ledo, a dynamic PG of the highest caliber. ‘13 is far away, but Julius Randle could be a Tristan Thompson-Jordan Hamilton hybrid, if you can wrap your head around that. Plus there’s the Harrison brothers.

I’m not sure that Texas basketball has had a bigger recruiting pipeline than it does right now, and Barnes is in a perfect situation to take advantage of that. Combine that with Barnes’ willingness to change and tweak his coaching style, and throw in the surprising run we had this year, and I, for one, am excited about the future.

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by jc25 on Mar 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks, Jeff

Excellent thoughts, as always.

Hadn’t seen the discussion on BC about assistants. Would be interested to read others thoughts if you have a link.

Great summary of the recruiting pipeline and near-term opportunities. Always enjoy hearing your updates and analysis on this.

Hook ’em

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by Peter Bean on Mar 29, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Assistants link

It’s a few comments buried in this thread. As I mentioned, I think the major complaint should be that Barnes doesn’t have an offensive X’s & O’s guru, not that his assistants are GD-esque incompetent (yes, I know he won the Broyles Award…).

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by jc25 on Mar 30, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

“But unless you harbor fantasies of Texas replacing him with one of the handful of coaches who already is, then replacing Barnes does not, in fact, improve Texas position.”

There’s a third option—a coach not on that list who, with the resources Texas has, would be on that list shortly (Calhoun started at Northeastern, Kryzewski at Army, Donovan at Marshall). It’s higher risk with potentially higher reward.

“Given that Barnes is a very able recruiter, it may just be that one of these days, he gets his Carmelo Anthony-esque perfect storm and breaks through for the National Title.”

He had a chance similar to that in 2007 with Durant and got torched by USC.

As a general question, if you knew NOW that Barnes would never win a national championship, would you fire him now?

by DoubleB on Mar 29, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

This seems a little ridiculous. There is no way of knowing if Barnes will ever win a championship. With a 64 team field and around 30 teams with a legitimate shot at a final four run every single year, a lot of things have to go right to make it there. I think a coach who consistently brings together championship level talent should be applauded. Barnes has done that, and while the chips haven’t fallen his way yet, if he continues to deliver the talent he has in the past I am happy. One of these years hopefully the luck goes his way and he gets his championship.

I for one enjoyed the hell out of watching this team from November to March and am impressed with Barnes ability to put a great group of kids on the floor.

by $Money on Mar 29, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I still probably wouldn't.

But it’s pretty ridiculous to assume that he never will. Just like it would be ridiculous for me to assume that he will. What he does is put the program in position for great success every year. As fans, that’s exactly what we should ask for.

“He had a chance similar to that in 2007 with Durant and got torched by USC.”

So you only get one chance? And we just assume that since it didn’t happen with KD it never will? So we just start over? Boeheim couldn’t win with Derrick Coleman. Roy Williams failed to win a title several times with Pierce, Vaughn, LaFrentz, Collison, Hinrich. Coach K didn’t win with Danny Ferry. The list goes on.

I also can’t state how important this is to me… Rick Barnes arrived on campus the year before I did. To this day, I’ve never watched an NIT basketball game.

by hayzer13 on Mar 29, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, some great points

This is what I love about this blog

While I disagree, I think many are being too dismissive of Double B’s point and others who have made it. Mack Brown was not a top 10 coach an UNC. He was a brilliant find by UT. We went after him despite some real success by his predecessors because we wanted more. (Please do not take this opportunity to point out the differences in football and b-ball. See Double B’s b-ball examples above.)

If we truly desire championships, then Rick Barnes 13 years here have been tremendous, but ultimately fallen short of the goal. That has got to start to wear thin at some point doesn’t it? At what point do you try your luck with an up and comer in the hopes of breaking through? 15 years? 20 years? Do we let UT and Barnes become a candidate for the Best-ever-without-a-championship award?

But then there is Hayzer’s points as well. 13 years in a row to the tourney? Incredible. Cannot be overstated how amazing that is.

I fall firmly in the camp to keep him, but I admit Double B’s point of view has merit.

The only thing that could ruin it for me, and quite frankly, the appearance of it scares me, is if he turns out to be recruiting illegally. If this Canada/Findlay Prep pipeline turns out to be shady, that would kill it for me. Hopefully those kids are influencing each other with positive talk about the program and friendships, and it is not some alumnus slipping cash to a handler somewhere.

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by SwimTexas on Mar 29, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Rick Barnes was not a top 10 coach at Clemson.

We used the same thought/hiring process when we hired him. And while others may disagree, I strongly believe he is a top 10 coach now. I seem to actually hold him in higher regard than PB does. I do consider him top tier.
Rick’s absolute worst is an 8 seed. I’m pretty sure only Coach K and Bill Self can match that. Every coach other than these two that has a national title or multiple Final Fours has missed the tournament at least once in the past 10 years. Add to that, we are in the top 5 in sweet 16’s over this time frame and we’ve been to 3 Elite Eights.

Will he ever win a title? I can’t say yes, just like you can’t say no. I’d rather take my chances on someone who’s proven to consistently put himself in position to rather than some up and comer who’s on a hot streak. While Brad Stevens certainly looks like a genius now, we’ve only seen him be successful with one group of kids.

by hayzer13 on Mar 29, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Theory in relation to your post

Perhaps the more inconsistent elite coaches miss the tourney when their offensive system isn’t firing on all cylinders and they compete for titles when their offensive system is working most efficiently?

Can we speculate that the reason Barnes’ teams are so consistently good (not great) is that he focuses on defense and almost any reasonable cast of college players can play great defense if coached and motivated properly? Interestingly, the two guys you list above that have Barnesian consistency and also compete for titles, Self and Coach K, both focus their teams on playing great defense. The kicker is that they also have designed and executed elite offenses, thus bringing multiple final 4s and title(s).

I would say Barnes’ focus on defense reduces the year-to-year variation in performance of his teams but may also produce a lower ceiling of performance because it seems to come at the cost of generating elite offense.

Thoughts?

by feltgod on Mar 29, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Very interesting and probably very valid.

Though it seems we’ve already forgotten about the KD/DJ/AJ years when we, well sucked defensively. It was mostly due to lack of size and what our personnel dictated, but we ran a whole lot more and were much more efficient offensively. However, we didn’t have the size to match up with USC or Memphis. Had we gotten different matchups in the tournament, both those teams could have made the Final Four.

Yes, we need to have that season where we have a balance of great defense and efficient offense. About 6 weeks ago, we all thought this year was it. And in just a 4.26 second span it was determined that it wasn’t, and right back into Rick can’t win it all mode we go.

Barnes has stated that he’s making changes to his offense, and we saw some this year. But it takes years to build a system, and with another offseason and the addition of Kabongo, we’ll assuredly be better on offense next year. I look forward to watching the offensive system grow. We’ll see.

by hayzer13 on Mar 29, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kevin Durant is going to the Hall of Fame, none of those other guys is going to sniff it. Big difference.

“I also can’t state how important this is to me… Rick Barnes arrived on campus the year before I did. To this day, I’ve never watched an NIT basketball game.”

So you WOULDN’T trade Donovan’s success for Barnes? Maybe it’s just me, but I’d watch a few NIT games to hang a few NCAA banners.

by DoubleB on Mar 29, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

NBA Hall of Fame?

First off, Paul Pierce is going, but that’s irrelevant.
All of those players I listed were elite college players, and that’s what we’re talking about. Coleman, Collison and Ferry all won the same awards in college that Durant did. And they all played 4 seasons. If Rick Barnes would’ve failed to win a title with 4 years of Kevin Durant, he’d be gone.

Now, would I trade some NIT games for a national title? Of course, but again, you can’t promise me that the next coach will deliver back to back titles. You can’t even promise that they next coach won’t fall flat on his face. So, I’ll take a coach that is already on the cusp, and has another phenomenal recruiting class coming in.

by hayzer13 on Mar 29, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Response to Double B
There’s a third option—a coach not on that list who, with the resources Texas has, would be on that list shortly (Calhoun started at Northeastern, Kryzewski at Army, Donovan at Marshall). It’s higher risk with potentially higher reward.

This misses the entire point of the calculus, and in framing it this way (potentially higher reward) betrays your assumption that Barnes can’t get there. Again, there are more indicators that Barnes can get there than there are other Tier 2 coaches. Moreover, all coaches start somewhere else. Billy Gillispie started at UTEP. He flamed out at Kentucky, with… more resources.

You’re essentially saying you think it’s worth it to gamble because you’ve already made up your mind about Barnes. Fine, maybe you’re right, but objectively, it doesn’t make sense, given (1) what we know about Barnes at Texas, (2) know about Coach X, and (3) don’t know about Coach X at Texas.

He had a chance similar to that in 2007 with Durant and got torched by USC.

I’m sorry, but that Texas team had four freshmen and Brad Buckman. Give Barnes Durant plus the other four guys on that Syracuse team, and he’d have won a title, too. Along with fellow frosh McNamara, Syracuse had Warrick and Forth (both sophomores) plus McNeil (who was a junior). Vastly more experienced team. And a hell of a lot bigger. Our problem was inexperience and a complete lack of size and inside presence. USC was a terrible match up for us.

The “he didn’t win it all with Durant” argument is a non-starter. We could go down a long list of teams with No. 1 draft picks who didn’t do much in the NCAA Tournament.

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by Peter Bean on Mar 29, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Durant comment was meant

as a response to the Carmelo Anthony-esque quote above, not as a takedown of Barnes.

What are the indicators he can get there? What do we know about Barnes at Texas? He can get top level talent. He can consistently take his team to the NCAA tournament.

Maybe I should ask this in a different manner: Do you believe Barnes has maximized the talent he has had at Texas? Do you think Texas has had more or less talent than say Florida over the last 12 years?

High risk-high reward means just that. Gillespie did flame out at Kentucky. Stevens or Smart could easily flame out at Texas. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a “hireable” coach out there who couldn’t do a better job at Texas than Barnes.

by DoubleB on Mar 29, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Response to your response
You’re essentially saying you think it’s worth it to gamble because you’ve already made up your mind about Barnes. Fine, maybe you’re right, but objectively, it doesn’t make sense, given (1) what we know about Barnes at Texas, (2) know about Coach X, and (3) don’t know about Coach X at Texas

I don’t know that I would go so far as to say it doesn’t make sense. I think the opinion that Barnes will never win it all, and it is time Texas take a chance on another coach that could take us all the way is an opinion that, though I do not currently agree with, is gaining in merit the longer Barnes is here and doesn’t win it.

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by SwimTexas on Mar 29, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good post Double B
(Calhoun started at Northeastern, Kryzewski at Army, Donovan at Marshall)

In a way, you’re validating my point. It took Calhoun 13 years to win a title at UConn, K 11 at Duke, Donovan 10 at Florida. Heck, it took Jim Boeheim 34 to bring one home to Syracuse. Not saying that means that Barnes is absolutely due for a title, but in some ways it takes a perfect storm. For Barnes, most believe that perfect storm involves a playmaking PG, one that we haven’t had since the days of DJ Augustin (and TJ Ford). That’s why so many people are hyped about the recruitment of Myck Kabongo.

He had a chance similar to that in 2007 with Durant and got torched by USC.

PB answered it below, but that team was green beyond belief. If Aldridge and Gibson had stayed, then yes, I would have been mad at a 2nd round loss. Let’s not forget that USC team was plenty talented as well: Nick Young, Gabe Pruitt and Taj Gibson all made the NBA, and Daniel Hackett wasn’t a bad player as well.

As a general question, if you knew NOW that Barnes would never win a national championship, would you fire him now?

Consider that Texas has NEVER won a national championship. Barnes has raised expectations to a level unheard of in the history of Texas basketball. If you could give me the Back to the Future Almanac that showed Texas not winning a championship for another 10-20 years, then yes, I would consider that it’s time to move on. But I don’t think Barnes has shown that he’s incapable of winning a championship. Not at all.

If there’s one thing I fault Rick for (other than lacking offensive X’s & O’s), it’s that he’s recently had a failure of developing his non-superstar players. The only superstar recruit that’s disappointed in recent years is Avery Bradley, and given the development of Jordan Hamilton, it’s not unreasonable to think that if Bradley had stuck around for Year 2, he would have developed exponentially. My problem is that Barnes needs to complement these superstars with great role players, and by and large he hasn’t. As an aside, that’s what made last year’s flameout so difficult. Besides Gary Johnson, I look at a trail of undeveloped supporting cast: Matt Hill, Doge Balbay (never figured out how to shoot), Justin Mason, etc., etc. If Barnes really wants to make it over the hump, he needs to develop players that turn into David Lightys, Tyrel Reeds, Josh Harrellsons, etc.

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by jc25 on Mar 30, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Recruiting pipeline

It’s taken 13 years to build a recruiting pipeline such as Barnes’ and it just keeps getting stronger. We’ve never seen basketball recruiting like this around here and if nothing else the last two years have been exciting. I think it’s just a matter of time until Barnes wins it all. I would like to see him hire a good offensive assistant, though, if Terry leaves.

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by SpiritOfTheFedora on Mar 29, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cost of change

In the discussions of whether to keep or fire Barnes, something I haven’t seen mentioned is the cost of change. No matter who we bring in to replace Barnes, there would a period of adjustment to the new coach. Some Barnes recruits might leave. Kids in the Barnes pipeline might not come. Those who stay might not fit the new system. There would be new practice routines and team protocols. The new coach would need to learn the league, build relationships with officials, establish ties to local schools.

To put a program through all of that, you’d want to be sure you were getting a major upgrade. And you’d want someone who’d stay, since you don’t want to go through again soon.

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by Caradoc on Mar 30, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent

A very well-written post, thanks.

The only thing I would add is that Barnes wins the right way. It’s hard to think of many coaches outside of Krzyzewski and Izzo [and even Izzo had his problems with basketball camp staffing this year], who combine success on the court with a clean record as Barnes does.

by DudeAbide on Mar 29, 2011 2:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Great point

Really should be emphasized. Not only has Barnes never had a violation of any kind, but a lot of his kids really excel in the classroom. For every PJ Tucker, there are three DJ Augustins.

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by Peter Bean on Mar 29, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great stuff PB

I am not sure I a completely over the Arizona loss yet, I could barely watch the Uconn-Arizona game, becauase it just made me sick.

There is no doubt in my mind that Texas was/is good enough to be playing this weekend, but I guess everything can’t go your way.

After the season ends, I can never decide if I enjoy football or basketball more. I think the one reason is the tournement, every team has chance, and there is always hope in March.

Anyways, great stuff PB, really looking forward to next couple weeks and see what Texas is going to able to bring back. Looking forward to next season as well, and the 4 freshman that are coming in. I think I am more excited about this class than any other.

Hook 'em

by blazzinken on Mar 29, 2011 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I also meant to add

This post certinaly helps add some closure to the whole “5 second call” game.

Hook 'em

by blazzinken on Mar 29, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Post

I was one of the more critical people of Rick Barnes on here after that Arizona loss, but I’ve done some soul searching and totally agree with your argument that it is very hard to find someone right now that could do better. I don’t think Brad Stevens is leaving Butler anytime soon, and taking a chance on an up and comer makes me nervous. Rick Barnes aside I am really excited about the future of UT basketball. Our recruiting is now on the level of a top 10 top 5 program and that will always give Texas a chance to win. As probably the only person on here who can say they have watched Myck Kabongo in person, I can honsestly say I think he is better and will be much better than Augustin. He has the whole package and is not limited by his height like Augustin. I hope TT can come back and we can live up to our expectations. Hook ’em.

by CanadianHorn on Mar 29, 2011 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I am of similar view

- I have been a huge critic, but
 
- There is a +90% that a new coach would do worse than Barnes
- Barnes is a fantastic recruiter
- Barnes gets his team to hustle
- He does it the right way and he seems to recruit really good kids – it is always a pleasure to listen to them on the radio

That said I still question his offensive and game planning skills.

It looks like Missouri is willing to throw $$$ at basketball prospects, they are going crazy at Rock M Nation.

by IUTex on Mar 29, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a +90% that a new coach would do worse than Barnes.

And that’s based on what?

I couldn’t disagree with that statement more. This isn’t the Horns of the old, decaying SWC. This is the school that could go independent and not miss a beat. Everybody’s afraid of going back to the Penders days when everybody should be afraid that they’ll never be Florida.

by DoubleB on Mar 29, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because 98%+

of the current NCAA coaches are doing worse than Barnes right now?
I understand the desire for national titles, I want one just as much as you do. But the fact that Rick hasn’t won one yet, should not discount the job he has done in building a perennial top 10 program. It just seems to me like you are only looking at one of his numbers. Every coach had zero titles at some point in their career.

by hayzer13 on Mar 29, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because 98%+ of the current NCAA coaches are doing worse than Barnes right now?

98% of coaches aren’t doing worse than Barnes right now if you account for resources. I don’t know if Ben Braun at Rice is doing a great job or not, but I know for an absolute fact he would do much better at Texas than he would at Rice. Rick Barnes good? Probably not. But there’s just so much more to work with in Austin that he couldn’t help but do better.

by DoubleB on Mar 29, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

"perennial top 10 program"?

Based on what? How can this be a “perennial top 10 program” when they usually lose in the first or second round of the NCAA tournament. Isn’t that what it’s mainly all about? Not mid-season rankings, not overall record, not how many guys make it into the NBA. It’s not that Barnes hasn’t won a NC, it’s how few Final 4’s and Elite 8’s his teams have made, despite his great recruiting.

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by OBdoc on Mar 31, 2011 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, if you're gonna pick at semantics ...

… then name 10 other programs that are inarguably better than UT’s right now. There’s nothing wrong w/ that statement. Barnes runs a great program & came within a wisp of a nat’l title recently.

by robthecob on Mar 31, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK, I am arguing semantics then

I interpreted the statement, “a perennial top 10 program” as meaning virtually every year you are rated at the end of the season in the Top 10. That is not the same as arguing whether over X number of years there have been 10 better programs. There are very, very few, if any, progarms that are “perennial top 10 programs.” As others have argued, I had rather win the NC every 3 years and wind up out of the dance the other 2 years than make the dance every years and occasionally the Sweet 16 or Elite 8.

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by OBdoc on Apr 1, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

3 Elite Eights in 10 years.

Since 2000, there are exactly 7 teams with more Elite Eights than Texas. UNC, Kansas(6), Michigan St (6), UCONN, Florida(4), Arizona(4), Kentucky (4).
We are tied at 3 with Duke, Louisville, Memphis, OU and UCLA. So based on this list, I’d say we’re 10th.
Since 2000, there are exactly 8 teams with more Sweet 16’s than Texas. Change a 5 second call this year and we’d pass Arizona and there would only be 3 teams with more. Duke (10), Kansas (8), and Michigan St. (7). So, we’re top 10 in that category too.

Barnes no more “usually loses in the first or second round” than anyone else, other than Coach K, Izzo, Self and Roy Williams. That’s how the college basketball tournament works. We just focus our attention so much on Texas that we specifically remember the years we don’t make it. Every program has those years though, most more often than Texas.

by hayzer13 on Mar 31, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Top Ten:

Duke
North Carolina
UCLA
Connecticut
Syracuse
Kansas
Kentucky
Michigan State
Ohio State
Florida

I would put Texas, Louisville and Arizona in the next tranche

I would rather have a great year followed by a bad year and then another great year. Letting talent get you into the dance every year is not good enough. It is all about winning games when it counts, NCAA Championships (or at least Final Fours) and conference championship define greatness.

by IUTex on Mar 31, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's fair

Although Ohio State has only been to one Final Four and three Sweet Sixteens since 2000. They were in the FInal Four in ‘99 but vacated 34 games that year so I don’t believe they still hang that banner. They have had the recruiting we have, but I’d say lesser results. Syracuse has a title, so they should be ahead of us, but they’ve disappointed just about every other year since ’96.

by hayzer13 on Mar 31, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vacated Final Fours

Of the last 4 vacated Final Fours, 2 were generated by Calipari and one at Ohio State….I guess some things never change

by IUTex on Mar 31, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is so hard to predict who will be the next great coach

We are not going to get Izzo, Coach K, Calhoun, etc. Once you drop off this very short list it is really hard to know who will be successful. Nobody would have predicted these coaches would have done so well. It is a crap shoot (see Gilespie at Kentucky, Butler’s prior coach at Iowa, etc.) + I would not want the Calipari type

Barnes is predictable.

by IUTex on Mar 29, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

You may not know.

A good athletic director is going to have a lot better knowledge though.

by DoubleB on Mar 29, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm coming to town from Indy next week,

so my future-Longhorn daughter can tour the campus and talk to counselors, etc. Should I bring along Brad Stevens?

Great thoughts all. We’re in good hands in seemingly all sports, and isn’t it nice to have so much success to bitch about? Hook ’em.

We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.

by JoeT63 on Mar 29, 2011 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

OT: Chick-aggy is coming here to Indianapolis!! AAGGHH!!

My wife put it best… “Yankees?!! In TARA?!!!”

We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.

by JoeT63 on Mar 30, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Process optimization suggestions for Barnes

A couple minor points that I think could help Barnes win a title.

1) Focus recruiting complete players instead of high ceiling projects.

We might miss out on athletes like Dogus Balbay and Alexis Wangmene, as well as monsters like Dexter Pittman. But, I think our team will perform better if every guy on the squad can make a jumper, make FTs, run for most of the entire game, catch a bounce pass, etc before he arrives on the 40 acres. Essentially the Duke recruiting model.

Our player development track record is modest at best, so I’d prefer we recruit basketball players and teach them how to play elite defense, rather than try to recruit elite athletes who know how to play defense and then try to teach them how to catch, shoot, etc.

2) Rework the scheduling to focus on playing more non-conference teams in the RPI top 50 so we don’t get screwed by the system again. Instead of playing 5 potential top 10 teams and 10 cupcakes, play 1-2 top 10 teams, and 7-10 schools ranked around 30-50, and 2-4 cupcakes. I know this isn’t perfectly controllable but I feel our current strategy is to schedule 3-5 elite teams and the rest cupcakes.

Other thoughts?

by feltgod on Mar 29, 2011 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think you can get elite defense without elite athletes

You can teach a lot about defense to improve players. But some guys just have more lateral quickness than others. You at least need a few of these guys (Bradley, Joseph, Balbay, Ivey, etc.) I you are going to have a top defense.

by Reggieball on Mar 29, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about Butler

- Barnes runs an athletic effort defense

- Steven’s defense with non elite athletes is based positioning, positioning and team play with a very precise game plan

by IUTex on Mar 29, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Butler's defense is quite good

but it is not at the same level as Texas. Butler does 1 things really well, consistently from year to year. Butler rebounds. Butler has consistently controlled the defensive glass over the last few seasons. They are really, really good at limiting second shots. They have been for a few years.

Butler does a good, but not really great job on defense when we use metrics like opponent FG%, or effective opponent FG%. Last year they were better than this year.

Stevens has some talent on his team. Mack and Nored are pretty quick. And he has a seven foot tall center.

by Reggieball on Mar 29, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your point on the RPI is interesting

It says more about why the RPI is completely worthless than it does about anything else. But as a practical matter, if we scheduled things to game our RPI rating, then we would might have gotten a better seed this year. Not sure how easy or practical this would be to do. At some point, you have to fill out scheduling dates, and I am guessing that it is easier to do if you include some cupcakes.

As a fan, I love our basketball schedule. I love that we played UNC, UCONN, and Michigan State. I love that we played Illinois and Pitt in a tournament. I will live with the occasional year where the seeding gets screwed up, and hope the day will come where the RPI is no longer used.

by Reggieball on Mar 29, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good thoughts

1) We need a mix that includes players like you describe, but also has room for short-timers and projects. But we need to maintain continuity so the new players meld into the system instead of starting over every year, and that’s where four-year guys are so necessary. Nothing beats senior leadership.

2) We certainly didn’t seem to get credit for our astonishing nonconference schedule did we? But the real cost, I think, was fatigue, so I’d say keep the bunnies — but use them as opportunities to rest our starters.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Mar 30, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mouton 3

I’m glad PB brought up the fantastic play(s) Barnes drew up for Brandon Mouton and co. against Bob Knight and Tech – I always think about that play when people overly criticize Barnes as a tactition. I remember re-watching that play a bunch of times with my bro after the game. Here’s the way I remember the play:

1) We are down by 3 and have to inbound under our own basket.
2) Barnes draws up a play where the inbounder basically baseballs the ball to someone just past the halfcourt line allowing us to call a timeout and also inbound past halfcourt for the final shot.
3) Barnes then draws up a play involving a cross-court inbounds pass in which Mouton drains a beautiful 3 that came down with icicles to tie game at the buzzer.
4) Total time to execute both those plays = ~3 seconds.
5) I seem to remember Bob Knight later saying that Rick Barnes totally out coached him on the endgame strategy.

Link recapping game (1/27/2004):

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2004/jan/27/longhorns_rally_past/

by Class of Beef on Mar 29, 2011 11:04 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks for the memories

Cheers!

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Mar 30, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a few games later I believe

Down by 3 to #6 Oklahoma, TJ missed a three that went out of bounds with under 2 seconds to play. Rick drew up a play that ran Mouton around a series of picks to catch a baseline skip pass to drill a game-tying 3 at the buzzer. I still think that was the greatest uproar the Erwin Center has ever had. From silence to explosion as the ball went through. An absolutely beautiful play. I have no idea how that pass was possible, but it worked. Unfortunately, we lost in OT so the play often gets forgotten.
Recap

by hayzer13 on Mar 30, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's The Ultimate Test

To see how you feel about Rick Barnes. How you would feel if you found out he was leaving? About a week ago there was a rumor (apparently false) the Rick was in North Carolina to interview for the NC State job. My heart sank when I read that and thought about the possibility of him leaving. I realized then that despite some criticisms, I would have felt devastated if he left UT. Give yourself that same test and I think it will reveal your true thoughts about RB and the UT program.

by gcinthewoods on Mar 30, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Good point.

Are we willing to lose Myck Kabongo? Yeah, that would probably happen if Barnes left.

by robthecob on Mar 30, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for that summation, here's mine:

Apologies to Garth, I took a few liberties borrowing the song he made famous almost two decades ago…

Looking back on the memory of
The Dance we shared on the bracket I filled out with love
At mid-season all the world seemed right
How could I have known the ref didn’t know how to count to five
And now I (actually) wish I did know
The way it all would end the way it all would go
Life, may be better left to chance, but if I could have missed this pain
You bet your ass I would have missed this Dance

 
PB, I will extend you the same courtesy and simply say, your made a lot of good points and missed on the some points and I will address those with my post on Friday.

Good day to you sir.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Mar 30, 2011 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Peter, what would have to happen in the next year or two,

for you to change your mind about Barnes, to say OK, let’s take a chance on someone else? After last season’s monumental collapse, many on this board said, “Barnes deserves the benefit of a doubt”, let’s see what he does noext season, etc. For the second year in a row, Barnes has had a great team, they showed promise, and collapsed down the stretch. They beat some good teams but then lost focus or became over-confident or sloppy, lost to inferior teams, and did not win the conference championship, the Big 12-2 tournament, or make the Sweet 16, much less the Final 4. Should we accept merely finishing in the top 20 or so every year, just making it to the Dance? Is that Texas’ standards? Yes, Barnes is apparently a nice guy, runs a clean program, and recruits extremely well, but does he get what he should get out of his recruits? Last year Barnes stated he was more concerned about preparing players for the NBA than in national championships. That is not my priority, but perhaps that is part of the problem if its truly Barnes’ priority. I generally love your analyses, Peter, but I don’t understand why you and some others seem to cut Barnes so much slack.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Mar 30, 2011 5:25 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I have no comment other than to say, that sir, is a very good question.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Mar 30, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

for me, two straight tourney misses

“For the second year in a row, Barnes has had a great team, they showed promise, and collapsed down the stretch.”
Well, this team wasn’t supposed to be that good. Does Barnes have anything to do with taking a projected 20-23 win team to the top 5? Was it all pure talent? Our “rebuilding” year after having 3 players get drafted resulted in a top 10 team. Yes, they fell short of the goals, but those goals were only set due to how good this team turned out.
The same questions you ask us “apologists” can just as easily be turned right back around. We cut him too much slack? Well, when do you give him some credit for throwing out two freshmen, two presumably immature sophomores, two pretty much awful reserve big men, a PG who can’t even hit a FT, a 4 year “glue” guy and a gnome and turning it into a top 5-10 team?

by hayzer13 on Mar 30, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That, sir, is a very good question.

Works both ways. Would these folks have changed their tune if a ref would have done his job correctly and UT made it to the Sweet 16 w/ a strong chance of going further? (sigh) Prolly not. Some people just wake up bitter.

by robthecob on Mar 31, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

The bitterness doesn't stem from being disgruntled with Barnes, that's just a symptom of the larger issue which is...

the tenuous nature in which college basketball determines its champion. Based on what is written above, the prowess of your coach and team is crucial, but only to a point because the championship is more a matter of a favorable draw, fate and luck.

So basically college b-ball is like throwing shit against a wall over and over again to see if it sticks. And from what I can tell, few coaches toss it better than Barnes, no argument there. So I agree, we’re lucky to have him and I’ve never advocated a change.

The problem for guys like me is knowing where to stand. Watching shit tossed against a wall from an emotionally safe distance is fun and whether it sticks is moot because it’s purely entertainment. But when it’s your shit and it’s your wall, sooner or later you’d like to see it stick at least once to make having to withstand the smell worth it.

Folks like PB and Wiggo are frustrated by the lack of appreciation for b-ball at UT and the casual or cavalier attitude many UT fans have towards the sport. So I’m saying make a case for why it should be appreciated as much as football, make a case for why I should bring the same fervor to b-ball as I do football.

And that, sir, is why it is a very good question.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Mar 31, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

What caused this?
Arizona threw double teams at our guards on high screens and double teams on Tristan Thompson virtually every time he touched the ball. Early in the season? We were handling that just fine, because we had movement, we had cutters, and we had quick passing. By the end of the season, that was gone. We were stagnant and we were too slow to react. Early in the year? We were an offense that played great team basketball.

PB, I’m curious in your opinion what caused us to go stagnant late in the season? Fatigue seems to stand out to me due to a lack of depth. What else comes to mind?

by goingforthecorner on Mar 30, 2011 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting to listen to Knight talk about 1976

Once they hit January intensive practices were for very short periods of time, keeping the team fresh

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