Texas Spring Football: Quarterback Battle Continues
While most of the buzz around spring practice for the Longhorns this year centers around the new coaching staff and developing drinking games for how many times Mack Brown uses the words "excitement" and "energy" during interview, there's also a pretty significant position battle taking place on the 40 Acres.
Yes, that would be the quarterback position. You know, the position Colt McCoy and Vince Young played at Texas. No pressure there.
The competition may be open, but even when there isn't a depth chart, someone still has to take the first snap in practice and start out with the ones. In response to that conundrum, the coaching staff developed what it calls "a pecking order." So there ya go -- Garrett Gilbert, Connor Wood, Case McCoy, and David Ash aren't fighting to be the starting quarterback at the University of Texas, they're fighting to become the top chicken in the courtyard.
Remember, it's a pecking order. Don't call it a depth chart, because the only similarity is that both are methods of listing the top chicken to the bottom pansy little chicklet. Who will be the ruler of the roost?
All snark aside, the installation of the Harsinwhite offense is new to all the quarterbacks, a fact that changes the priorities for the coaching staff this spring, according to Harsin:
All four of those guys right now, they are learning, they are preparing, and that is the one thing we are looking for right now. They are in there studying film. They’re answering questions in the film room, and they are applying it on the field. It is not perfect right now. It is a new system, but they’re out there working. They are coming to practice prepared, and we’re just looking to build off that.
As expected, there's officially little or no separation in the competition for the starting job. In all actuality, there probably isn't. Right now, the coaches are throwing as much as they can at all the players and exploring all the different combinations:
We’re just trying to put them in different groups and different scenarios. That is just the main thing right now, to get them in all different scenarios, with different groups, in different situations, and that is what we are trying to look at right now.
Of course, all this isn't to say that Garrett Gilbert doesn't have an inherent advantage in having already logged a full season's worth of live plays:
I’ve always felt like a quarterback who has snaps under his belt is going to be more confident than a quarterback who doesn’t. I think (Gilbert) has done a great job being comfortable out there on the field. Not necessarily confident, but just comfortable.
In his interview with Pete Thamel, Mack Brown mentioned that the "pecking order" verbiage came from Harsin and was based on playing time, putting Gilbert at the front and McCoy second. No surprise then that Gilbert is at the front of the pecking order -- as the former starter, it doesn't really make sense any other way, right?
The Longhorns scrimmage in practice on Thursday and the rest of spring practice and the spring game will help further develop a pecking order that might even result in a depth chart at some point after spring break. Even if the real separation won't happen until the fall, that first depth chart is growing to create some serious attention.
There's a tough balance the coaches will have to walk between giving the team the certainty of having a defined leader at the position during the all-important summer 7-on-7 workouts. Texas won't be able to develop true leadership at the position until there's a starter in place. Ideally, Gilbert would probably distance himself solidly from the other three quarterbacks by the end of the spring.
Whether that happens is a completely open question at this point.
Oddly enough, there hasn't been a ton of buzz about Gilbert, who needs to show some improved footwork. Consistently throwing a spiral might be nice, too, but that's a lesser consideration to making better decisions. It sounds like there's been some improvement -- not hard to believe since he basically regressed during the season.
Both McCoy and Wood have struggled with inconsistency. For Wood, it's been an issue of accuracy with the football that deserts him at times and shines at others. In terms of pure arm strength, Wood probably has the edge over David Ash.
McCoy, on the other hand, still has some problems spinning the football. His usefulness in the new Harsinwhite offense may be severely limited if he can't push the ball down field with enough accuracy and drive to beat deep safeties. Still a major question mark with him.
As for Ash, there's almost as much buzz around the early enrollee as there is any of the other quarterbacks. In part it might be because he's the newest entity -- look at the shiny new quarterback! The argument against that take is that nearly every media member who has seen Ash throw has mentioned the tight spiral that Ash throws, a thing of beauty after a year of Gilbert throwing pass after wobbly pass. The buzz is legit.
If the lack of consistency from Wood and McCoy isn't surprising, neither is the buzz around Ash's accuracy and ability to throw such a pretty pass. Winning the starting job is almost certainly out of the question for him, but it looks like he has a better-than-expected chance of being the back-up. At this point, if Wood is all physical tools and McCoy is all accuracy and moxie, then Ash is an inexperienced but appealing combination of prototypical size and strong feel for the position.
Call it a slight edge for Gilbert given his game reps, but when the separation does happen, in part it will be because the starter fulfills the four qualities stressed by Harsin:
There are four things that we talked about, and this is just quarterback play in general. One is toughness. Two is preparation. Number three is decision-making, and four is accuracy. And so we have been really trying to talk about those preparation habits. We’ve been talking about the decision-making process while we are out there on the field, and then we have been working on the fundamentals to try to get better with our accuracy. The toughness part will come when you get into the scrimmages, when you get into those game situations where those guys will stay in the pocket and move around, or they will throw the ball away when they are supposed to and that is the only play.
The toughness will start to enter into the equation during the scrimmages and at the spring game, but is truly something that only comes through game repetitions, something the Longhorns don't exactly have a bunch of before naming a starting quarterback.
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Oh, is that the problem?
Tell him to wake up.
by CMDR on Mar 9, 2011 7:14 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If GG - doesn't clearly win the position
I say we lick our wounds and go with the best of the younger QBs.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
+1
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Unknown
I like the GG and Ash combo
If Wood, McCoy and Ash are all about the same then go young!
McCoy lacking arm strength? Well I’m shocked, I thought the magical arm strength fairy would have visited Case after he committed to Texas? Case for the last time is not Colt, Colt can make most of the NFL throws, Case can’t make most of the college throws.
I think the buzz around Ash is more than the shiny new quarterback reaction. I’ve heard from multiple sources that Ash is already throwing the prettiest, most accurate ball out of the QBs.
Wood is a great athlete with a big arm. I hope he stays in the program, works through his accuracy problems, and gets a real shot at playing.
How big is Gilbert’s window to improve? What if he doesn’t run away with the job? Who will lead the team during the summer? Gilbert very well could a long reclamation project for Harsin.
Gilbert doesn’t have confidence still? He’s been in the program 2 full years, was the starter last year and played in a national championship game and he’s not confident? Big red flag. Can Harsin fix Gilbert before the Rice game? Geez, that’s a tall order. I won’t make any projections about the season, but holy hell Gilbert needs to grab the QB1 job by the horns and wrestle to the ground.
Wood and Ash will also be looking to improve this summer, they are nipping at Gilbert’s heels, I hope Gilbert responds.
by billfromlaketravis on Mar 9, 2011 7:51 AM CST reply actions
Confidence clearly an issue with Gilbert
That was made obvious when, after throwing 4 (or was it 5?) int’s in a game, Mack said he didn’t take him out because he didn’t want to destroy his confidence. I agree with you, a QB with a fragile ego is not a good thing because he needs to exude confidence to be a leader and because trying to give him confidence or protect his fragile ego results in game decisions that may not be the best for the team (e.g., not throwing deep, keeping him in too long, etc)
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
not surprised he isnt overly confident right now
after he who shall no longer be named was “let go”, GG got a huge chunk of blame, lot to deal with at that age (not to say he didnt deserve some blame), i am a tad anxious about the lack of seperation in the qb race but in Mack i trust and i feel it’ll be ok in the end.
I honestly think that the lack
of separation is due to the info being trapped behind the burnt orange curtain. I’m not the biggest GG fan, by any means, but he does have the experience. However, does his lack of confidence cancel out that game experience? I think Case is a lost cause and should transfer, while he still has time. We can chock his ’ship up to a bad legacy offer. Ash vs Wood…I hope they both stay and we go through this again next Spring when Brewer comes aboard.
— This is a good position to be in with a gaggle of quality QBs to choose from.
Don't talk too much...Under promise, over deliver!
--Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers Head Coach
Handicapping this
Anyone want to give some odds on who will be starting for us come opening day, barring injury? Despite his obvious struggles last year, it’s hard for me to imagine anyone but Gilbert starting. Making a change off the bat . . . well, for better or worse, it just doesn’t seem Mack-like. So I’m going to say a lot of this “pecking order” talk is for show more than anything else and the odds of Gilbert being our opening day starter are north of 80%.
To be filled in later.
by Hopkins Horn on Mar 9, 2011 8:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Odds:
Gilbert: 90%
Field: 10%
I just can’t imagine another scenario. It not whether or not Gilbert separates from the group, its if someone in the group separates so far ahead of Gilbert that it forces Mack’s hand. Any tie goes to Gilbert.
Completely Disagree
With his edge in game experience – he loses all ties. Including a tie to Ash. I am a little pessimistic that we will be in the top 3 next year in the Big 12-2, and tie goes to the pups.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
It really depends on Harsin and Gilbert's progress
Does Harsin believe he can fix Gilbert before the season? Does Harsin feel that Gilbert is so far gone that he needs to blow it up and start over again? These are questions that will play out in the coming months.
Gilbert, after last season, should not just be handed the starting job as a Mack Brown special favor. He needs to go out and earn it. The scheme, the OL, lack of running game, coaching, GDGD are all excuses. At the end of the day, Gilbert did not play well last year and noticeably regressed.
by billfromlaketravis on Mar 9, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm afraid you're probably right.
It drives me crazy that they are making much ado about creating a meritocracy and everyone having a clean slate, but there’s no getting away from the fact that Mack has a seniority bias.
I would love to see Ash get a fair chance considering the buzz he’s generating. It sounds like he deserves it. I would think in learning a completely new system, Gilbert’s experience advantage would be all but negligible since the experience he does have hasn’t given him an edge in confidence and it was in a completely different system.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see Gilbert improve markedly, live up to his previous hype and be the star we were expecting, but I think he needs to earn it just as much as the newest of the newbies.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
by HookTech on Mar 9, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When it comes to QBs ...
“…but there’s no getting away from the fact that Mack has a seniority bias.”
… Major Applewhite begs to differ.
Eh, one exception.
I think Simms/Applewhite-gate occurred during Mack’s glue sniffing years.
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
Yeah, that was way back in the past.
That’s the one thing that will always prove that Mack isn’t perfect. He’s close enough for me, though.
I'm not ready to see him go, either.
Not ready to give up on Gilbert either. High hopes for the kid.
"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.
practice
i had a chance to attend practice last friday and there was no wow factor when i left. I really did not expect anything great this early on, because of the changes. GG looked a little nervous with all the HS coaches watchin when he was throwing into the net. He dang near took a coaches head off when he overthrew the net by about 6 feet. He also threw a couple into coverage during the scrimmage that should have been picked. Ash look ok, Mccoy did not look like he had any confidence IMO. Tempo and pace of practice was good. Def made a few plays which i expected. OL missed some of the same ol basic zone blocks, so there is lots of work to be done there. I did not leave practice like i did in the years passed thinking we were going to be pretty dang good. I know it is early and things will improve with time….I hope!
Thanks for the report, badabling.
Anything on Wood?
One thing Ash does have is that, of the bunch, he took over a losing team in Belton and made them better over a couple of years…he’s more used to operating with a tighter margin of error. His team then couldn’t overwhelm anyone…he had to play within himself and their relative success was his.
wood
Sorry i left him out.. I would have to say that wood and ash looked the best. GG made a few things happen but I liked they way Ash and Wood threw the ball. During the 11 on 11 time period the O was doing a lot of rotating and getting packages together. Sounds like that is what Harsin did at Boise, so he could get the playmakers the ball and make something happen. makes sense! They completed alot of checkdowns to the RB releasing after he did his blitz check. One thing I did like about the O was during practice they stopped everything for 5 min and did a competion b/t O and D. It was WR vs DB twice, TE on safety once and RB on LB once with qb calling the route they wanted. O was on one side and D was on the other. Lots of hoopin and hollerin. Coaches raggin each other. The O won 3-1. Made the DB’s look silly a couple times on double moves. That is a little concerning. Needless to say Akina was not happy. He had some choice words for his group thoughout the practice.
Hey badabling thanks for the info...
I would love to go see a practice but have no idea how that works. Do you have to know somebody to get access or do you just have to know when it’s happening and show up?
I don't want NO PART of yo' tired ass country club, YA FREAK BITCH!
practice
I coach HS football and last week was the coaching clinic. They let coaches go anytime they want. We all had to sign our name to get in. Mack is keeping it tight. Its pretty cool to go to, he lets you get right in the middle of it. If your standing back, mack will tell you to get closer so you can hear and see whats going on. PR mastermind. He does let his Asst do the coaching though, and he will chime in when he sees fit. Couple balls were hitting the ground when QBs and WRs were doing routes vs air. Mack made a stern point that nothing should hit the ground vs air…..They will be ok, horn fans are gonna have to have thick skin more then likely this year then we will be back on track…
I just can't help but think back to spring reports last year
Gilbert’s accuracy and arm strength were better than Colt’s. Darkhorse heisman candidate 2010, probably front-runner in 2011. Wood was clearly way ahead of Case.
Is Ash’s performance being viewed through these same eyes? (This is not directed at anyone in particular, btw).
ZERO Confidence in Gilbert
I don’t mind being the turd in the punch bowl here, Gilbert showed me one thing and one thing only last season: He SUCKS! The guy can’t help throwing INT’s, he’s worse than Chrissy Simms and will only lead the program back to .500 if allowed to start the entire season. I could give a rat’s ass how he looks in practice. He supposedly looked awesome in practice last year, supposedly had really taken over and “become a leader” as was being widely reported last summer. Leader? That quality eludes the young man and isn’t something that can be taught.
God help us if the coaches throw that unfit, broken heap of an athlete who, like Al Bundy, had his best glory days in high school. I hope these coaches are more committed to winning on the field this season than being their charge’s best friend and trying to teach him how to not suck as bad as he does during his entire stay at the University of Texas. Trying to make him into a successful NCAA QB is a fool’s errand that sacrifices victories for at-a-boys!
For comparison, OU’s QB had a rocky first year, but the big difference was that his God-awful games were followed by stellar games. He’d go from a 5 INT game to a 5 TD game week to week. Gilbert, he just sucked every game, not ONE SINGLE GAME did he shine as QB. Sorry, but the Nebraska game was as close to a good game for him as it got, and that game was won by keeping his arm taped to his side and letting his legs surprise Corn. No personal malice toward the kid, but he ain’t ready for prime time now, or ever.
You're right.
You are the turd in the punch bowl. Very glad that GG was actually much better than you say so.
Unless GG
totally just sucks it up in the spring, Mack and Harsin will give the starting QB position to GG and give him the chance to succeed because of his previous experience. But unlike last yr, if GG struggles early, i think Mack/Harsin will make the switch to one of the other QB’s
I truly hope this a real competition
and not just a push for GG. I honestly don’t think he has “it”. I could be wrong, I hope that I am but judging from last year’s results I don’t see it. I would rather go young than to go with GG again. It would be a waste just to throw him out there just to install a new QB a few games into the season. If the QB with 2+ years in the program and an entire year of starting experience hasn’t separated himself from a field of guys who have never touched the field and one who should still be in high school, then he probably isn’t the answer.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Unknown
Did I come to the right place to bash GG?
Looks like I did!!! GREAT!
I think you guys will eat crow either this year or next year on him. Or hell, maybe you’ll never come around even if he does improve.
No one even considering that the QB coach, the receivers coach, and the O-Line coach were all “retired” for not doing their jobs?
Think that would affect a first year starting QB’s performance? Not a single coach on his side of the ball doing their jobs? No receiver separation? No pocket?
Not even going to wait to see? No? Just going to call him dead in the water now?
Reading these comments makes me ashamed to even be associated with you people via our team.
by notsofst on Mar 9, 2011 2:55 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
And don't forget the WR corps-wide stonehands.
Sure wish I could recall all these negative comments out here when he is at least all-Big 12-2 in a year or two.
I also forgot to mention the complete lack of a productive running game.
No matter how you split hairs with GD’s “successful” play metrics, we stunk.
It’s just a shame to me to see the fan base heap it all on one, or even any, player(s).
I'm actually pretty shocked to see so much harsh criticism heaped on Gilbert.
In light of all of the facets of offensive woes last season, I actually saw Gilbert as a positive and, possibly, the brightest facet of that side of the ball. He played about as well as I would expect a brand-new starting sophomore would. Some good, some bad, lots of average. Had the rest of the team been solid, he woulda been very good as a game manager and occasional hero. I recognize his negative plays & INTs as well as the next fan but everyone’s gotta realize that he was in the middle of an offensive mess last year that was none of his doing. Anyone not at least acknowledging this is simply & undeservedly picking on him as the only blame. A big mistake in analysis.
Woods, Gilbert, Ash
I dont care who the QB is, I would just like to see FAIR QB comp. If Gilbert cant get it done, then move on to the next guy. Lets not burn a whole season this year trying to keep Gilberts ego from getting shattered.
Last Year
I started re-watching the Baylor game the other day on tape and before the 1st quarter was over Barrett Matthews gator chomped a TD pass and Kirkendoll dropped a deep post on 3rd and 11 that Gilbert threaded through the coverage.
When the lack of a worthwhile receiver made things impossible Gilbert showed great toughness and decent talent scrambling. All the talk about his bad mechanics are a bit much, Colt had some terrible habits he built here because of shoddy OL play but he nailed down the 4 Harsin traits in order and won more than any other QB in the history of the game. I don’t know if Gilbert has the toughness to persevere through this and insist on excelling and insisting on his teammates excelling but I do know this, nothing that happened last year would prove that he doesn’t.
by RolloTamasi on Mar 10, 2011 2:13 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Great comments!
Thanks for posting what a lot of us see going on with Gilbert. He’s a point of strength right now for this team.
Give'em a chance
1) Follow Colt and Vy
2) Have the weight of the entire Longhorn nation on your shoulders
3) Stand behind last year’s Texas OL
You tell me how beautiful your perfect spiral pass is going to be.
The pride and winning tradition of The University of Texas will not be entrusted to the weak or the timid.
Hook'em
by longhorns1 on Mar 10, 2011 2:41 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Let's not make too many excuses for him.
He was arguably one of the worst QB’s in college football last year. Most of his passing yards and TDs came when the game was already over and the defense switched over to prevent mode. I wish him the best but he absolutely stunk up the joint last season.
Well, you may as well take him out back and shoot him. Let's just hand the job to the new freshman.
Too bad he single-handedly dragged down UT’s offense last year. We’da been better off running the option.
Really?
You’re going to be that harsh on him? I’m sorry but I don’t see how a first year starter who’s O-line had holes as big as trucks and reciever’s knocked half his passes up in the air for DB’s to go chasing after can be criticized this harshly. Honestly I thought he looked pretty decent for a first year starter and if he had a team around him I still think he would have done great. I don’t see how he can be blamed because his recievers didn’t have hands. Sure he threw some bad balls but he’s a first year starter playing in one of the best conferences in college football, it’s to be expected. Any sane person who seriously considers himself to know anything about the sport should be cutting him some slack. What he needs is support to build him up not everyone saying he sucks and should lose his job to a highschool kid. Not to mention Greg Davis totally squashed his potential with some of the worst play-calling I’ve ever seen. I’m sorry if you don’t agree but I still stand 100% behind Garrett and think he still can have a spectacular career. Try showing a little support sometimes it can go a long way


































